Total posts: 2,049
Posted in:
-->
@Outplayz
what type of natural explanation? How could this relationship occur naturally?
Created:
-->
@EtrnlVw
Testimonial "evidence" is all you have for God. It's all you have for gnomes. It is not evidence.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
You are not interested in truth. Go away troll.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
I see you can't prove it wrong, so you resort to troll tactics.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Of course there is value. It shows how the Earth and Moon conform to squared circle geometry,and it is evidence of a created solar system.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
About our created solar system.
Did you watch the video?
Created:
Posted in:
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Thank you for answering.
You have been patient and I appreciate that.
I am not sure if my mind works like yours does. Like a normal person.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
What does my gut feeling have to do with how reality actually is?
I am curious to how other people's minds work. Can you humor me?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
This could simply be showing that the subconscious CAN take control if there is injury to the brain, or if we relinquish control to our animal brains. Kind o fa reversion to animal behavior.
Do you REALLY think you are not responsible for your own actions? What does your gut feeling tell you? I am having a hard time believing a person really doesn't feel they have free will.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Ok I'll put it this way, what does the conscious mind do?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
What is the point of the conscious mind if not to think and make decisions?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Are you suggesting you have free will to not be tired, horny, or hungry? Because, remember, we're talking about Free Will here and you provided examples of things we don't have free will over.
No, you have free will to go against instincts. If you are hungry, you can choose not to eat. If you are aroused, you can choose not to have sex.
Because if it did, then we could deliberately thwart experiments like the one I showed you, by simply choosing differently than what our subconscious chose. But, again, the study shows that the choice is made before awareness. Once you're aware of the "choice" it's already been made. It's too late to change it.
I didn't see enough of the study to determine if that is true.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Because then we'd be aware of our conscious mind receiving instructions from some subconscious part of my brain. I'm not aware of that. Are you? Do you receive instructions from unknown source?
We get instructions from our instincts all the time. To sleep, to have sex, to eat. I suggest we get instructions from our subconscious in a similar manner. Gut reactions. Intuition. Feelings.
I do, but it doesn't interact with the conscious brain in the manner you describe
How do you know it doesn't?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
But you're acting like it's two, different unconnected parts of the brain here. Like, the subconscious mind makes a decision, hands it over to your conscious mind, then your conscious mind decides whether or not to go along with it or overrule it.
How do you know that isn't exactly what happens? Do you not think there is a subconscious?
That's not what is happening here. Once your conscious mind is aware of making the choice, the choice was already made by your subconscious mind. Key phrase: already made. There is no opportunity here for your conscious mind to choose differently. Your brain (and therefore your body) have already committed to the act.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Probably the lower parts of the brain that aren't part of the conscious awareness. Whatever it is that make us "think" seems to be seperate from things like our instincts.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Think of it this way. You can go against your instincts. Why couldn't you choose against what your subconscious has decided? or first reactions?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Yeah, I think I got the gist of it.
It could just mean decisions are made subconsciously for the most part. I don't see how that would negate free will. Maybe we just process things subconsciously before they are brought to our conscious mind, where we can then process them further, before commiting to action.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
I tried to read your link. I only got a small abstract of the paper.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Then how do you explain the fact that we can predict people's actions before they're aware of them?
I don't know. Maybe we are predicting a probability.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
I didn't tell you anything about what I want You assume too much.
I want the truth. Now you know.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Maybe everything you THINK you know about the universe. What I know is that I have responsibility for my behavior.
But you do you
I can't decipher that.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
We are in control of our thoughts, behaviors and actions. I am responsible for everything I do. So are you.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Stephen
Interesting, but I don't believe God is the God of the Bible. Not my thing.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Are you my psychiatrist now? You seem to know a lot about what I want.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
You are lying again goldie. show me the quotes where I said anything like that.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Castin
how long did you meditate for? just once? for weeks or months?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Goldtop, including you.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Really?? You think I know anything about mathematics? It is purely hypothetical.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
We've already discarded personal experience because you have no way to show you're not mistaken, lying or delusional.
You have, I haven't.
Please explain how you believe the solar system was created by God as opposed to the scientific explanations based on the laws of nature? This will also require you to explain the need for a solar system? The need for planets? The need for a Sun? A Moon? Etc.
I look at the solar system and it doesn't look natural or accidental.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
Sure. A god could be like: "I only want people who find gods in mathematical formula to know about me" (not sure what that has to do with intelligence, but hey).
But if this is your belief, why are you arguing with Atheists to begin with? A god will be known by only the people it wants to know it exists, whether or not you argue.
It's not really my belief. I am working through what my beliefs are right now.
Then again, maybe the god wants to be known only be the people who are swayed by your arguments, which would make them not futile, wouldn't it?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Personal experience. And the solar system looks created to me.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@drafterman
That's assuming it wants to be known to everyone. Maybe it only wants to be known to those who are smart enough, and put's it's signature in a mathematics formula for instance.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
If that is the case, then you are right.
But we don't know what God wants.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mopac
what are you saying, that we should argue for God anyway, even if it seems futile?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Then, you haven't anything to complain about in regards to atheists.
Not really complaining, just saying it's pointless to argue with you guys. Because you won't beleive unless you experience God for yourself.
It's no different than if I was trying to argue Leprechauns riding Unicorns in the Kentucky Derby. Is it futile to argue such things simply because others don't accept the argument? Clearly, the problem lies entirely in the formation of any argument for God's existence. They are all incredibly weak, pointless or just all out ridiculous.
So, if you think it;'s futile, better have a look at your argument then, most likely, it isn't valid. That's not any problem with atheists, the problem is with the argument.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
I have always been honest about not being certain about my experiences with God. Of COURSE I could be mistaken. Of COURSE I could be delusional. I have said that before, and you know it.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Goldtop
Like I said, it's futile to try to argue with an atheist about God. You prove the point of my thread. Thank you Goldie, I wouldn't have expected anything else from you.
Created: