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@Theweakeredge
with absolutely no substantiation to back it up.
As have you.

What Americans aren't getting what they need to survive? People in classes such as the disabled, mentally or physically, children, the elderly, addicts, should be provided for. Able bodied and minded should not.

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Who first decided that culture could be cancelled?
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@fauxlaw
I haven't read through the answers. My first guess would be ancient Egypt, they were always chiselling out the faces and names of previous pharoes,and building on top of other temples etc.
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@Reece101
Not sure I believe that, or what that has to do with this conversation.
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@Reece101
Anarcho? what is that? If it's an anarchist, I believe that there should be laws. Anarchy doesn't work with large populations.
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@Theweakeredge
If you give people everything, the majority will take advantage of it and not contribute to society.
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@Reece101
A natural society is always a heirarchy. It's just how humans operate. Forcing socialism or communism is unnatural, and it simply doesn't work
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@Theweakeredge
A natural society is always a heirarchy. It's just how humans operate. Forcing socialism or communism is unnatural, and it simply doesn't work.
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Fiction Books I've read last year
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@Lunatic
My list for the past year (fiction only)

Boat of a Million Years

Armor

Courtship Rite

Analog April 1978

Clan of the Cave Bear

Valley of Horses

Mammoth Hunters

Unfinished:

Outlander

Plains of Passage

Roma

Out of The Silent Planet
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@Theweakeredge
Motherhood and fatherhood is an individual responsibility. You are NOT a victim of societal injustice if you can't afford kids.
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@Theweakeredge
Did I say restrict? No. It is just common sense. It's morally irresponsible to have children if you can't afford their food, shelter, medical care, schooling, and those are just the basics.
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@Reece101
They are willing to pay that much.
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How can God be both an alpha male and omega male?
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@RationalMadman
Not really. I don't believe jesus even existed. It is just mythology, which changes at the turning of ages. The jesus myth is just a variation of similar mythes, but with a pisces spin. 
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@Theweakeredge
Poor people shouldn't make babies. It's that simple.

"If you can't afford a vet, you can't afford a pet" have you ever heard that? There should be a meme like that directed at humans.
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@Reece101
Poor americans smoke $8 a pack cigarettes and have cell phones and x boxes.
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@Theweakeredge
I have always had minimum wage jobs, it is enough to live on, if you are frugal. Poor Americans are rich compared to many other countries.
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@RationalMadman
Yes. It refers to the Precession of the Equinoxes. The cusp between aries and pisces is the beginning/end point since yearly houses go in one direction, and precession goes in the other. Jesus was supposedly born at this point in time.
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@RationalMadman
Where is it said that God is an alpha male and an omega male?
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@secularmerlin
Evolution, in any form, has never been demonstrated. Some minor adaptation, which is itself unexplained especially by Darwinian evolution, has been observed. Usually much much quicker than expected by Darwinian evolution.
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@ebuc
It's all about the sevens. That is, six and one.
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@secularmerlin
when I say evolution, I mean neodarwinian evolution, the Modern Synthesis. I should probably be more specific

I have said before that I believe in a form of orthogenesis, but you might not remember that. So I will be more specific in the future.
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@secularmerlin
Evolution is certainly not a fact. It's a poorly understood theory or even hypothesis, the only reason it is still around is because there is no "better" theory around yet, although there are some scientists that are ignored or snubbed when they challenge the Darwinian paradigm. Scientists such as Simon Conway Morris, and I know there are others but they won't come to mind at the moment, and I don't have time to look it up presently.
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@secularmerlin
 brains give every indication of having simply evolved according to mindless, unguided and nevertheless inevitable naturalistic laws
Demonstrate that. I see no evidence for that at all.

 can you demonstrate that our brains were "given" to us or demonstrate any purpose behind the act or are you simply assuming that? 
I see plenty of evidence for creation over natural selection/darwinism.

Like for instance, the fact that it is impossible to "accidentally" develop DNA in the time span of 13.7 billion years. I assume you have read up on this, so I won't provide links unless you ask, and it will take some time for me to find it.

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@secularmerlin
Yeah I think you are wrong. We were given brains and higher thought for a reason.
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@secularmerlin
I don't know how thinking about it and looking at past experiences is NOT investigation.
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@secularmerlin
We can think about it and make guesses as to the explanation. We can look at past experiences. Your idea feels like giving up, and just accepting that it is unexplained.
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This site is alive
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@Theweakeredge
It seems about the same to me. It could be more active, but I am still content with what we have.
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@Sum1hugme
I was just trying to show that if you only rely on things that can be measured, you are leaving out vast quantities of, and entire categories, of possible evidence(for whatever you are trying to figure out)
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@secularmerlin
What about the things you can't measure? How do you deal with those? Do you just ignore everything with any small amount of subjectivity?

Last night, I fished the last M&M out of the package. It was yellow. Then over a period of about two seconds, it slowly disappeared from my hand as I watched it. How do you "measure" something like that? 
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@Theweakeredge
I do sympathize with you, anxiety really really sucks. 
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@Theweakeredge
I am dependant on pills to feel even a little bit "normal" I think it is psychosomatic, but even knowing that, they still work as a placebo.  If you want to stop taking the meds, you need to build up some coping mechanisms. Learned ones and ones you manufacture for yourself. It's still a good idea to have a range of coping mechanisms, even if you still take the meds.

You can do certain breathing exercises, you can use verbal cues to calm down (And I also mean that "verbal" cues can be just you talking in your head, works the same as out loud)

For the breathing, just breath very slowly, through the nose. If you are mouth breathing while having a panic attack, it can become shallow too easily, and thus the hyperventilation.

Talking to a therapist can help too. Other things can help too. Getting enough, and regular, sleep is essential. Giving up caffeine and alcohol and drugs (not saying you do any of that) is essential too.

I can't think of anything else right now, but I know there is more.
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Lofty beliefs are a luxury of the well-fed.
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@Stephen
Well I agree somewhat, pretentious people deserve a smack in the face, no matter what their beliefs. Can I say that?
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@secularmerlin
By my state of consciousness.
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@secularmerlin
 am unaware of the difference between discovering facts (by whatever means) and real learning. 
The difference is "discovering" and actually coming to an understanding. I "know" a zillion "facts". It is when you put some of them together,and understand something new. It involves both intuition and thinking.

As for spiritual anything I think you you know that I consider it impossible to learn anything about something which cannot be demonstrated, measured or observed. 
I observe spiritual things all the time.



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Agree or disagree?
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When does mortal life really begin?
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@fauxlaw
Yes reincarnation
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@fauxlaw
Maybe I am wrong, I guess it says the soul enters a new body at 49 days, not specifically that those 49 days are after  a new conception.
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@fauxlaw
I was referring to the Tibetan book of the dead. If the Egyptian book of the dead mentions the same 49 days(and I have not finished reading it so I do not know), then it is all the more likely that 49 days is really involved.
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@fauxlaw
Day forty nine after conception. According to the book of the dead and possibly other sources.
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@secularmerlin
I am not talking about memorizing facts. I am talking about REAL learning. Spiritual learning.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Yes, agreed. 
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@FLRW
I am becoming more and more aware that my life is probably planned. Why do shitty things happen? I don't know. Maybe we can't learn anything living in Paradise.
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@zedvictor4
Internal, yes. But self-generated? I don't know about that. God is certainly involved.
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@fauxlaw
They are all clowns.
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@fauxlaw
It's a secret, not a private thought. TWo different things altogether. 

And I'm sure everything an agenda for someone when it comes to politics. I don't really do politics, I don't vote, I barely care. They are going to f=k us over no matter which "side" they are on. I hope you don't think there are really sides, do you?
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@fauxlaw
Although I detest most politicians, and have no political leaning, I would say that even Donald Trump deserves rights to his own private thoughts But by telling someone else of your private thoughts, are they private anymore?
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@Stephen
Thanks, I will look into it.
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@FLRW
Even if it isn't dmt, it is something, because I experienced it. There is a physical, as well as spiritual element going on. It is like air, like water, but different from both. It is blue. 
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@FLRW
So? Are you trying to prove that "smart people" aren't religious or something? I really don't care who does or doesn't believe in God. If you think I am stupid for believing in God, that is your opinion. 
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@FLRW
Just the thought of anyone trying to control the thoughts of others really pisses me off. Even if the person is evil and a horrible scum. They still have the right to their private thoughts.
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@FLRW
I think God is more powerful than any human.
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