(slang) A dose of a drug such as ketamine or cocaine, when snorted recreationally.
The noise made by the bittern; a boom.
A disco dance in which partners rhythmically bump each others hips together.
(uncountable) A coarse cotton fabric.
A training match for a fighting dog.
(snooker, slang) The jaw of either of the middle pockets.
From Early Modern English bump (“a shock, blow from a collision", also "to make a heavy, hollow sound, boom”), probably of North Germanic origin. Compare Danish bump (“a thump”), Danish bumpe (“to thump”), Old Danish bumpe (“to strike with a clenched fist”). Apparently related to Middle English bumben, bummen (“to make a hollow noise”), Dutch bommen (“to hum, buzz”), German bummen (“to hum, buzz”), Icelandic bumba (“drum”), probably of imitative origin. More at bum, bumble. Compare also bomb.
Things that go 'bump' in the night
Should not really give one a fright.
It's the hole in each ear
That lets in the fear,
That, and the absence of light!
"With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? " -RW Emerson
Stop Making Sense was the single greatest concert of my life- third row at Red Rocks, late summer under the stars. General admission so we sat in line 3 days and 2 nights for those seats. When Jonathan Demme's film came out it played at the Esquire every Friday at midnight for years. My friends & I would shrug on our absurdly oversized sports coats and get all hopped up on black coffee and eggrolls dipped in almost murder spicy mustard at the Park Lane Cafe and go dance to that same handful of songs over and over and over again. God damn but I do love the Talking Heads.
b-baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
there aint no maybe
about sasquatch boy-o's
some major monkey
squatting in some sequioas
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
it jutht some thilly myth out of ignorant blyth
there aint no fuzzy cromagnon still extant
no neolithic neanderthal grizzly
no upright bear with gorilla face grace
no thick-pelted giant women to fuck
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
some major monkey business out in some sequioas
some fear of mega-bears with half human minds
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
b-baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
"[assualt] can be subjectively applied to any weapon."
That's is my point. "assault rifle" is a compound noun, a term of art among gun owners and the term should be used correctly within that community. But supposing some uninitiated soul might call a rifle used in an assault an "assault" rifle I find little fault with the adjective's usage.
So, saying an AR-15 is no assault rife is only true in some contexts.
At what point is something not an assault rifle?
When it could not possibly used in an assault. A nerf rifle is probably not an assault rifle in the adjective form.
"no weapon is specifically designed with the intent to kill a certain species."
Thanks again for the debate. Based on the votes dq'd & not dq'd, I'm lucky more people did not vote. The rule around here seems to be the tougher the contest the fewer the votes. Full forfeits attract the most voters because they're quick & easy. I note that the first 3 debates entered into the Hall of Fame last week only attracted a total of 7 votes. I look forward to future debates w/ you.
Ram, Ragnar, SirAnonymous, crossed- thanks for taking the time to vote
*Welcome to the site (forgot to say it b4)
*You'll find italics available in debates and forum but (unfortunately) not comments
*No need to defend Dougherty although I prefer McNab & Jane's
*No need to lay out arg in detail- pretty well-worn territory
*Familiar w/ history of "assault rifle" terminology - SEE=> Hitler reference in this morning's comment
*Familiar w/ hunting argument. Bolt action increases accuracy and forces the hunter to think more, aim more. Semi-autos in hunting may be increasing in popularity but that doesn't make them smart. Bolt action is much safer and results in cleaner kills.
*We can agree that AR-15 is a less likely suicide weapon than most guns.
*We agree that AR-15s are not more lethal than other weapons (or particularly more prevalent in mass shootings).
*We agree that AR-15s suffer from an irrationally poor reputation in relation to similarly purposed weapons- mostly due to military appearance and the AR initials mistaken for some generic designation.
None of which keeps the AR-15 from being a rifle originally designed for a military purpose. Any rifle designed for killing humans can be accurately described as made for "assault"- whatever the nice legal and commercial distinctions.
"unless the premise was something truly unusual or ridiculous."
A tautological argument is ridiculous. You are relying on a well-established definition. If we accept the definition then there is nothing to debate- you simply cite the definition and claim the win- which is not considered real engagement.
In the big picture, however, you are arguing that a rifle made for the purposes of assault cannot be accurately termed an assault rifle. You are claiming (ridiculously) that an assault weapon that is a rifle must never be mistaken for an assault rifle. Given that the argument has a long history of use by the NRA to distract from the AR-15's relative unworthiness for self-defense, hunting, or other legal purpose, the premise is certainly open to attack.
There is a very specific definition for assault rifle which includes the option of automatic fire. Since an AR-15 is not designed for auto it is not an assault rifle according to a well established definition that goes back as far as Hitler. Assault weapons were defined by the 1994 ban on Assault Weapons. AR-15s were specifically designated assault weapons by that ban. Since that legislation expired No solid Fed definition for assault weapon seems to exist although some state and local legislation still calls an AR-15 an assault weapon. This is a popular semantic trap for people who aren’t aware that assault rifle is very narrowly defined.
Just to confirm I was not genuinely criticizing PRO for failing to represent infinity in actual space-time, since that would break the universe I’m using presently. In truth, I am mostly pro-abstraction.
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason: really solid openers so the forfeit is regrettable. Pts. to CON for PRO's forfeit. As pinkfreud08 used to say, "That's bad conduct!"
Pls ignore the cut & paste remark. AD & I were gossiping about a fellow member which is bad behavior and also not appropriate for a debate comment section. Sorry for that but none of it was directed your way.
Great R1 & I forgot to say welcome to the site. Welcome!
Bamboo is actually incredible stuff- a fast growing grass that is useful as food and as woody material for tools, construction, etc. I've thought about an apocalyptic fiction called "The Boo" where scientists genetically modify bamboo to grow super fast for cheap material and the stuff starts growing everywhere, strangling trees and farms and gardens, starving animals, sucking water and nutrients out of the soil so fast that world populations collapse. Then, when huge tracts of land are covered in tall bamboo, the stuff dries out and burns at an unstoppable rate and then restarts.
I have researched a little and written some on the history and mythology of the "black helicopters." I don't think they'll come up in this short debate but I'd be happy to pontificate on their origin and relationship to mutilations in some other venue.
Thanks for voting, DynamicSquid
(slang) A dose of a drug such as ketamine or cocaine, when snorted recreationally.
The noise made by the bittern; a boom.
A disco dance in which partners rhythmically bump each others hips together.
(uncountable) A coarse cotton fabric.
A training match for a fighting dog.
(snooker, slang) The jaw of either of the middle pockets.
I totally buy that the Warrens were attacked by bigots.
bump:
1. A light blow or jolting collision.
2. The sound of such a collision.
From Early Modern English bump (“a shock, blow from a collision", also "to make a heavy, hollow sound, boom”), probably of North Germanic origin. Compare Danish bump (“a thump”), Danish bumpe (“to thump”), Old Danish bumpe (“to strike with a clenched fist”). Apparently related to Middle English bumben, bummen (“to make a hollow noise”), Dutch bommen (“to hum, buzz”), German bummen (“to hum, buzz”), Icelandic bumba (“drum”), probably of imitative origin. More at bum, bumble. Compare also bomb.
BUMP
Things that go 'bump' in the night
Should not really give one a fright.
It's the hole in each ear
That lets in the fear,
That, and the absence of light!
-Spike Milligan
CON's R1 links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_potato#Origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact_theories#Peruvian_mummies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
"With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? " -RW Emerson
Stop Making Sense was the single greatest concert of my life- third row at Red Rocks, late summer under the stars. General admission so we sat in line 3 days and 2 nights for those seats. When Jonathan Demme's film came out it played at the Esquire every Friday at midnight for years. My friends & I would shrug on our absurdly oversized sports coats and get all hopped up on black coffee and eggrolls dipped in almost murder spicy mustard at the Park Lane Cafe and go dance to that same handful of songs over and over and over again. God damn but I do love the Talking Heads.
b-baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
there aint no maybe
about sasquatch boy-o's
some major monkey
squatting in some sequioas
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
it jutht some thilly myth out of ignorant blyth
there aint no fuzzy cromagnon still extant
no neolithic neanderthal grizzly
no upright bear with gorilla face grace
no thick-pelted giant women to fuck
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
some major monkey business out in some sequioas
some fear of mega-bears with half human minds
it just some myth out of ignorant bliss
b-baby, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
b-bay, baby
bigfeets is bullshit
but somebody must have some good argument, right? For so many to believe it? I don’t know what that good argument is which is why I am asking.
Hi Lucy! Welcome to DART & good topic.
Criterion Con Tie Pro Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason: zut alors!
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✔ ✗ ✗ 3 points
Better sources ✔ ✗ ✗ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason: Conduct for forfeit
SEE => Comment #8
absolutely. You know, all of nature is quite toxic given sufficient dosage. One daisy, fine. 273 daisies will croak you every time.
We are already arguing 273 & John Kerry is a demon disguised as an alien disguised as lizard man trapped at the South Pole
I could argue turmeric killed the cows. Terrible stuff, turmeric
"[assualt] can be subjectively applied to any weapon."
That's is my point. "assault rifle" is a compound noun, a term of art among gun owners and the term should be used correctly within that community. But supposing some uninitiated soul might call a rifle used in an assault an "assault" rifle I find little fault with the adjective's usage.
So, saying an AR-15 is no assault rife is only true in some contexts.
At what point is something not an assault rifle?
When it could not possibly used in an assault. A nerf rifle is probably not an assault rifle in the adjective form.
"no weapon is specifically designed with the intent to kill a certain species."
Elephant gun
OoDart-
Thanks again for the debate. Based on the votes dq'd & not dq'd, I'm lucky more people did not vote. The rule around here seems to be the tougher the contest the fewer the votes. Full forfeits attract the most voters because they're quick & easy. I note that the first 3 debates entered into the Hall of Fame last week only attracted a total of 7 votes. I look forward to future debates w/ you.
Ram, Ragnar, SirAnonymous, crossed- thanks for taking the time to vote
*Welcome to the site (forgot to say it b4)
*You'll find italics available in debates and forum but (unfortunately) not comments
*No need to defend Dougherty although I prefer McNab & Jane's
*No need to lay out arg in detail- pretty well-worn territory
*Familiar w/ history of "assault rifle" terminology - SEE=> Hitler reference in this morning's comment
*Familiar w/ hunting argument. Bolt action increases accuracy and forces the hunter to think more, aim more. Semi-autos in hunting may be increasing in popularity but that doesn't make them smart. Bolt action is much safer and results in cleaner kills.
*We can agree that AR-15 is a less likely suicide weapon than most guns.
*We agree that AR-15s are not more lethal than other weapons (or particularly more prevalent in mass shootings).
*We agree that AR-15s suffer from an irrationally poor reputation in relation to similarly purposed weapons- mostly due to military appearance and the AR initials mistaken for some generic designation.
None of which keeps the AR-15 from being a rifle originally designed for a military purpose. Any rifle designed for killing humans can be accurately described as made for "assault"- whatever the nice legal and commercial distinctions.
I beat u 2 it
"unless the premise was something truly unusual or ridiculous."
A tautological argument is ridiculous. You are relying on a well-established definition. If we accept the definition then there is nothing to debate- you simply cite the definition and claim the win- which is not considered real engagement.
In the big picture, however, you are arguing that a rifle made for the purposes of assault cannot be accurately termed an assault rifle. You are claiming (ridiculously) that an assault weapon that is a rifle must never be mistaken for an assault rifle. Given that the argument has a long history of use by the NRA to distract from the AR-15's relative unworthiness for self-defense, hunting, or other legal purpose, the premise is certainly open to attack.
Every Darter should read Ragnar's excellent "How to K"
https://tiny.cc/Kritik
+1
There is a very specific definition for assault rifle which includes the option of automatic fire. Since an AR-15 is not designed for auto it is not an assault rifle according to a well established definition that goes back as far as Hitler. Assault weapons were defined by the 1994 ban on Assault Weapons. AR-15s were specifically designated assault weapons by that ban. Since that legislation expired No solid Fed definition for assault weapon seems to exist although some state and local legislation still calls an AR-15 an assault weapon. This is a popular semantic trap for people who aren’t aware that assault rifle is very narrowly defined.
Sources for links: CON's R1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Federal_representation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts's_congressional_districts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_parks_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_sovereign_states_by_GDP
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/statistics/
https://beef2live.com/story-states-produce-food-value-0-107252
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_California
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2017/Full_Report/Volume_1,_Chapter_1_State_Level/Massachusetts/mav1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic
https://www.geographyrealm.com/fortune-500-list-by-state-for-2015/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
https://www.business.org/business/startup/most-innovative-states/
https://www.eia.gov/state/data.php?sid=CA
https://www.eia.gov/state/data.php?sid=MA
sea peoples freebies are the best kind of debate, I always say
ouch that was fast. The dopplegangers are running in packs tonight. lock yer doors.
don't you know you've got to....
Great topic although I can't see how PRO proves with texts as scarce and ambiguous as these
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason:full forfeit fapulousity
CON argued users' rights, PRO quoted others as is PRO's wont.
Winner ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason:ff
Actually, that last should read Vote Pro- pro for args, con for conduct
PRO's R3 citations:
https://www.fec.gov/regulations/110-20/2019-annual-110#110-20-a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burisma_Holdings
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=2ahUKEwibqoLQ-5nlAhWXpp4KHeMNDaUQFjAKegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnational-security%2F2019%2F09%2F25%2Ftranscripts-presidential-calls-are-nearly-verbatim-not-exact-heres-how-it-works%2F&usg=AOvVaw35XpJWGOWzkh1jcLL1pC24
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/justice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-says-central-park-five-are-guilty-despite-dna-n661941
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463710-donald-trumps-fifth-avenue-moment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_offensive_into_north-eastern_Syria
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkish-led-forces-film-themselves-executing-a-kurdish-captive-in-syria/2019/10/13/22e11198-ed9c-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html
https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/hundreds-of-isis-followers-escape-in-syria-amid-fighting-between-turkey-kurds/
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12356.html#part3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo
https://www.apnews.com/142440d5e567495b8c6d767811df71df
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/at-least-four-national-security-officials-raised-alarms-about-ukraine-policy-before-and-after-trump-call-with-ukrainian-president/2019/10/10/ffe0c88a-eb6d-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/protecting-whistleblowers-identity-is-our-primary-interest-schiff-says/2019/10/13/a29f718e-edcb-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/
I love Boston- my sister the cop lives there. I'm wearing a Boston Aquarium hoodie right now.
.....but, Mass greater than Cali? What are you, nuts?
forgot the cite for that Pulitzer prize quote:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/lithium-ion-battery-chemistry-nobel-prize
PRO's R2 link citations
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
http://www.wmal.com/2017/11/03/listen-president-donald-trump-to-larry-oconnor-im-very-unhappy-the-justice-department-isnt-going-after-hillary-clinton/
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_whistleblower_complaint_unclassified.pdf
https://politicalwire.com/2019/10/10/four-national-security-aides-raised-alarms-about-call/
PRO's R1 link citations:
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhml?req=%28title:52%20section:30121%20edition:prelim%29
https://www.fec.gov/regulations/110-20/2019-annual-110#110-20-a-5-iii
https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/mtgdoc_19-41-A.pdf
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/world/europe/ukraine-biden-burisma.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_whistleblower_complaint_unclassified.pdf
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661
https://www.lawfareblog.com/self-impeaching-trump-zelensky-conversation
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/us/politics/trump-ukraine-collusion.html
Just to confirm I was not genuinely criticizing PRO for failing to represent infinity in actual space-time, since that would break the universe I’m using presently. In truth, I am mostly pro-abstraction.
Criterion Con Tie Pro Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason:
down on the globe con sat
so Wylted called it flat
but if it weren't for that
pro's science ain't for scat
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason: really solid openers so the forfeit is regrettable. Pts. to CON for PRO's forfeit. As pinkfreud08 used to say, "That's bad conduct!"
I like the way you moved from the specific to the general here. Debating the rule rather than the case is generally more interesting.
CON R1 Source List
https://web.archive.org/web/20110511100227/http://textron.vo.llnwd.net/o25/CES/cessna_aircraft_docs/single_engine/skyhawk/skyhawk_s%26d.pdf
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/21e8d0b43d2298188625760e005237eb/$FILE/E-286.pdf
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/july/24/four-seat-sun-flyer-in-the-works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
https://www.nature.com/articles/481433a
https://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2014/0714/How-long-will-world-s-oil-reserves-last-53-years-says-BP
https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/costs.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(2020)
https://evadoption.com/statistics-of-the-week-comparing-vehicle-ranges-for-gas-bevs-and-phevs/
https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/test-cafe/4462251/Do-lithium-ion-batteries-follow-Moore-s-Law-
https://steinbuch.wordpress.com/2015/01/24/tesla-model-s-battery-degradation-data/
https://nbaa.org/wp-content/uploads/events/Sun-Flyer-PP_NBAA-template.pdf
Pls ignore the cut & paste remark. AD & I were gossiping about a fellow member which is bad behavior and also not appropriate for a debate comment section. Sorry for that but none of it was directed your way.
Great R1 & I forgot to say welcome to the site. Welcome!
Bamboo is actually incredible stuff- a fast growing grass that is useful as food and as woody material for tools, construction, etc. I've thought about an apocalyptic fiction called "The Boo" where scientists genetically modify bamboo to grow super fast for cheap material and the stuff starts growing everywhere, strangling trees and farms and gardens, starving animals, sucking water and nutrients out of the soil so fast that world populations collapse. Then, when huge tracts of land are covered in tall bamboo, the stuff dries out and burns at an unstoppable rate and then restarts.
bamboo is grass
a giant raccoon that only eats 30lbs of grass per day? Panda's are clearly mythological
I have researched a little and written some on the history and mythology of the "black helicopters." I don't think they'll come up in this short debate but I'd be happy to pontificate on their origin and relationship to mutilations in some other venue.