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@WaterPhoenix
if I were teleported to the past, in order to not alter a single event in history, I would find a remote area and discreetly kill myself. No matter what atrocity I could prevent, it's not worth messing with the timeline to prevent. As a result of preventing one tragedy who knows how many more could occur? Is this the right thing to do though?
Consider you've opened a one way portal from a later time to an earlier time. When you come through that portal even just the act entering the new time stream adds your net matter and heat energy the old timeline's universe for however long the portal is open. Consider that however discretely you kill yourself. Your corpses matter must disperse in this new timeline and your old timelines self proceed towards the teleportation event with that incremental increase in heat and light increasing over iterations until those increases effectively zero out the chance you would continue to teleport to that time and place. Eventually, there would be sudden increase in heat and corpses that would eventually prevent you from ever trying to teleport in the first place. All attempts to travel to past are likely futile, perhaps even self sealing.
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PressF4Respect SENSOR Corvus Glaive
ILikePie5
Bearman
Crocodile TRACKER (no character claim)
(1of)
Intelligence_06
WaterPhoenix
Warren (2/5)- croc, Pie
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@skittlez09
thx for claim although I think we'd do better to just do character claims and hold on to roles for at least another round.
oromagi
TOWN
ILikePie5
Intelligence_06
WaterPhoenix
Bearman
Crocodile TRACKER
Warren (2/5)- croc, Pie
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@skittlez09
tell us your character claim. Any NP reports? We are role madness so there's probably a few actions to report.
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@skittlez09
@BearMan
What reports do you have from NP actions? Do you have a character claim?
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@warren42
you don't have croc and I as scum together? Cause if one of us flips scum the other is more or less confirmed town,
I don't buy that based on performance alone. I do buy that if you flip scum and Press is to be believed, then Intel, WP, and cookie are confirmed town. If croc flips scum, then Pie, Bearman, and Press are confirmed town.
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@ILikePie5
Pie, Oro, Press, Cookie, Supa, Croc were on the wagon.Supa was TP. Press is Sensor. I’m town. That leaves Cookie, Oro, and Croc. I townread Oro. So Cookie and Croc from my POV. Obviously this is all assuming Press is telling the truth, and my read on Oro is correct.
This is wrong
Final Vote CountRationalMadman - SupaDudz, Oromagi, ILikePie5, BearMan, PressF4Respect, Crocodile (6/6)Oromagi - RationalMadman (1/6)PressF4Respect - warren42 (1/6)
You have removed Bearman from the list of RM lynchers and added Cookie. Why?
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@PressF4Respect
I have some important info.I am Corvius Glaive.
Corvius or Corvus?
My character found Vision at Edinburgh in his quest to obtain the mind stone, and also found a way into Wakanda's medical lab. Because of this, I am sensor.I used my ability DP1, and found that 4 of the people on the RM Lynch are town.
Is this a 1X ability or can you do it again?
Since Supa turned out to be third party, this means that there is probably one other mafia on the lynch, and one not on it, if there are 2 mafia in this game (which given the third party makes the most sense).
Well a split decision is probably the least useful
RM lynch still living are: , Oromagi, ILikePie5, BearMan, PressF4Respect, Crocodile (1 of these is scum)
that also means that of the remaining
Warren42, Intel6, WP, cookie, (1 of these is scum and this is a smaller list by 1) If we find one scum on either list, the rest of the list still living is confirmed town.
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@Crocodile
Well my role is kinda complicated. Go ahead and ask me questions.
My question is what is your rationale for holding back on character?
- You have claimed tracker without CC
- We are advised that there is no thematic split
- We are all villains so a complicated claim would be an obvious hero, Capt. America for example.
- If your character is complicated to claim and you are town then you are better off claiming and giving town a chance to evaluate. Otherwise, you are just sus holding out on town.
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@warren42
quite the contrary, BP is really useful. If there's not strongman he's impervious to NK and if there is a strongman that player is at least forced to do the killing. RM should have outed this role at -1 but Pie and I should have slowed our roll. I actually started to UNVOTE a couple of times but I was hoping RM would crack. Certainly, if his claim is true he had no pro-town reason not to claim.
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--> @WaterPhoenixMany reasons. Tbe theme solit, which I did mention since your last visit, is that if they earned their power vs just being spoonfed it, they're townier. This is my initial read.The alternative is going to reveal my role so I'll keep it to myself.
So RM is arguing (against MOD) that the split is self-made powers (town) vs. given powers (scum) and has saying this is consistent with his character claim of Ultron.
- Ultron is not self-made, he was created by Ironman, therefore if RM's theme split is correct (it aint) RM must be scum
- Can any other townsfolk back up RM's claim of self-made powers? My character was born with power so is that "earned" or "spoonfed"?
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oromagi
TOWN
SupaDudz
ILikePie5
User_2006
Crocodile
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
warren42
LittleCookie08
RationalMadman Ultron
Bearman
SCUM
UVC
RationalMadman - SupaDudz, Oro, Pie, Bear, PressF (5/6)
PressF4Respect - Warren (1/6)
Oromagi- RM (1/6)
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oromagi
TOWN
SupaDudz
ILikePie5
User_2006
Crocodile
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
warren42
LittleCookie08
RationalMadman Ultron
Bearman
SCUM
UVC
RationalMadman - SupaDudz, Oro, Pie, Bear, PressF (5/6)
PressF4Respect - RationalMadman, Warren (2/6)
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RM
You are at -1. ROLE claim and if it is bad for town, Pie and I will have that our consciences.
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@Crocodile
could you give me a few posts where RM was scummy? I'm losing brain cells right now looking over a 300+ forum thread
I don't see much evidence for scum as such. DP1 is always scant evidence. So, I'm looking for the player who is helping the least, which is usually an inactive. In this case, RM is just blasting accusations without a much consideration or analysis. He's been fully confident I am scum even before he actually read the OP to discover no villains vs. heroes and no thematic split. Does over-analysis without reason equate to scum? No. In fact, if I were RM's scum partners I'd be asking him to dial it down like 90% so the odds are probably better that he's not scum. That said, its the same gameplay as last game where he was also certain I was scum from the start and it turned out he was in fact scum. Mostly I am VTL'ing RM now to communicate the idea that at this level of game play, alignment is secondary to the disruption of town's fact finding.
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@ILikePie5
--> @oromagiTrue but it's role madness. We should assume that town has a lot of powers. If character has no thematic utility then perhaps we can make character claim work for us by generating mafia lies that can be countered or tested.Idk if you remember but early on in the DP I said we should get claims from people selectively. Behavior is more important. Popcorning characters has no value cause characters can be linked to a plethora of roles. When I create games sometimes I have to stretch the roles a bit to fit with the characters. It’s best to selectively demand character and role because latter has insanely higher chance of being CCed in a role madness game..
True but your odds of forcing town to out power roles in a role madness game is higher than your odds of forcing mafia, right?
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@warren42
I don't have a strong opinion, I'd be willing to if we want a mass claim, but if only some of them are revealed it'd give mafia a chance to possibly fake claim a character that makes it easier for a fake role claim. So I think either we mass claim, popcorn, or don't do it
True but it's role madness. We should assume that town has a lot of powers. If character has no thematic utility then perhaps we can make character claim work for us by generating mafia lies that can be countered or tested.
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@warren42
I definitely think it's his real character, as I imagine that Loki, Ultron, and Thanos are definitely in the game. I don't put any stock into it being town though, because without a theme split mafia's only reason to fake-claim their character would be to better fit with a fake role if that make sense? Basically they have very little reason to fake claim a character, so me buying that he actually is that character doesn't make me townread him more. It's nice to lock a character claim in though I guess.
I agree with all this. So.... what is stopping us from all making our character claim if we are confident that such claims do little to inform the game? I'm asking tho I am a little ambivalent about character claiming myself. My character is rather generic when there is a specific character that would have represented the villainous type better. Perhaps that specific character is also in the game but I sort of doubt it. Maybe that's why my instinct is pro-character claim at present- it might help town to be forthright about the one-offedness of my character
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oromagi
TOWN
ILikePie5
Bearman
User_2006
Crocodile
SupaDudz
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
warren42
LittleCookie08
RationalMadman Ultron
SCUM
UVC
User_2006 - Crocodile (1/6)
RationalMadman - SupaDudz, Oro, Pie, Bear (4/6)
PressF4Respect - RationalMadman, Warren (2/6)
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@ILikePie5
@oromagiI like the claim of Ultron. A very likely candidate and so likely to be CC'd if he's lying. I buy Ultron.Character means nothing in a game where there’s no thematic split.
agreed
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I like the claim of Ultron. A very likely candidate and so likely to be CC'd if he's lying. I buy Ultron.
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Oromagi made grievous bodily harm threat here
I didn't though, RM. We're in a game where we talk about killing people, lynching people, etc but none of that is for real. You asked me to interrogate you and I made a joke about torture to send up the limitations of interrogation in a forum context. You should understand that none of that is for real.
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RationalMadman-
Take a deep breath and remember that you are playing a game. Its a game I am glad you are playing and in an interpersonal context, I don't want you to feel anything but welcome and content to be playing with us, your fellow DARTers. You don't need to block me because any pressure you are feeling from me is all in the context of this game.
Maybe you'll get lynched, maybe not, but think about what's best for your team and play that strategy.
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- RM calls me scum for not interrogating him
- 15 mins later, I try interrogating him
- 15 mins later, RM calls me bully and blocks me
- pffft
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uh-oh. RM has blocked me. I think he might be taking game too literally.
Here is my reply to him that I can't direct to him:
--> @oromagiThere's a lot of logic to discuss d1. You're tbe deluded one mr robotic beep boop only flips mean something. When I flip town, what will your robotic logic say then? Try lie your way out of that.
The odds are very good that you are town, so in fact I expect you to flip town. My argument is not that you are scum, my argument is that you are at present the greatest obstacle town must overcome to find scum.
If you are town, as I expect, than you should want to live and the best way to live is to reassure town that you can be more useful to us in the future. Let's begin with your character claim.
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rather than discussing logic or thought process
The notion that there's anything logical to discuss in DP1 is pure self-delusion. Most of town only knows role and character. Scum has more insight but they are unlikely to give it up. Players who make a bunch of assertions and declarations about who must be what in DP1 are either scum making smoke or noobs chasing ghosts.
There are sometimes good reasons for towns to make early declarations. Now is that time. Then we axe the most counterproductive player. Usually that's the least active player but at present it is clearly RM.
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Not happening. I do not care anymore. You do not ever threaten me irl and make me succumb to you.
OK, so five minutes ago you were saying I must be scum because I was not interrogating you and now that I am interrogating you, you are insisting that will prove unproductive. Have you considered the possibility that I wasn't interrogating you because I saw no point in polluting the DP with a bunch of cheeto-fart smelling fluff?
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@RationalMadman
-> @oromagi
You are confused. I can be lynched and still win. In a ga.e where death is inevitable, I do not need to pander to you and beg for mercy. Go ahead, do not think for one second you are owed a claim by me more than you owe me your claim. You're not town, I do not fear the rushed bandwagon here, I do not fear losing either. Do what you want.
Non-responsive. IRL I would taser your genitals about now.
ZAP!
Why won't you answer the question? Please provide character claim now.
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@RationalMadman
If you were town you'd i terrogate me far more
So.... you'd like to be interrogated? OK.
At this early point in the game, it is pretty likely there's only two points of information you can provide:
character claim
role claim
Please provide character claim now.
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@ILikePie5
I really don’t like RM’s vendetta out against Oro being third party and demanding his lynch. It seems to me that he was distracting town early on with the TP accusation and then when caught he was forced to hunt for mafia with Press. I think I’d like for him to full claim at this point. Thoughts?
UNVOTE
because Supa joined. everybody has posted now.
I'm ok with pushing RM out of the nest.
VTL RationalMadman
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@warren42
Can you give me some reasoning behind bearman, user, and croc being so high?
Not really... so far the game is mostly noise and fluff. The likelihood that the top guy on the list is less scum than the bottom guy is fairly minute. Everybody's just sort of piled together right now as far as I'm concerned. RatMan's at the bottom of pile because just pumping out irrational assertions before one even reads the OP is pure anti-town whatever his alignment. That's about it so far.
Also, again, can you address my concern over you claiming to "probably" not be vanilla? It originally wasn't a huge deal, just a minor thing, but you having not answered is bothersome to me.
Fake News. I have made no claims regarding any VANILLA role.
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oromagi
TOWN
ILikePie5
Bearman
User_2006
Crocodile
SupaDudz
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
warren42
LittleCookie08
RationalMadman
SCUM
UVC
SupaDudz - Oromagi, ILikePie5 (2/6)
User_2006 - Crocodile (1/6)
RationalMadman - SupaDudz (1/6)
PressF4Respect - RationalMadman (1/6)
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@Barney
Oh no! Wasn’t this the game where somebody called me an overly literal thinker?
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Has everybody read up on their role? Does anybody have any early claims to make?
Is everybody familiar with the implications of ROLE MADNESS?
Role Madness refers to a type of game where most or all of the players have power roles; that is, there are few to no true Vanilla Townies. Because there are so many power roles, the veracity or effectiveness of Night Actions is very difficult to determine without knowledge of what the other players did. Role Madness games have been known to include unique roles designed by the moderator's whim as well, further increasing the potential for confusion.
Role Madness games are not to be confused with bastard mod games. In the former, the confusion stems from the sheer number of role interactions. In the latter, the confusion comes from the moderator omitting vital details about players' roles (if not lying to them outright).
Because the game hinges so much on players' Night choices and the number of possibilities to account for are so high, balancing a Role Madness game can only be rough at best. When reviewing a power-heavy game like this, the two things that must be checked for are broken combinations (i.e. if everyone claimed, could a group of players use their Night action to dominate the game? If not, could they do it after a certain player dies?) and whether any one faction can become grossly more powerful than the other(s).
The subversion of including a single Vanilla Townie in a Role Madness game has been done many times over, to the point where claiming to be a Vanilla Townie has been considered self-confirming (if not an outright Town-tell).
Role Madness games are not to be confused with bastard mod games. In the former, the confusion stems from the sheer number of role interactions. In the latter, the confusion comes from the moderator omitting vital details about players' roles (if not lying to them outright).
Because the game hinges so much on players' Night choices and the number of possibilities to account for are so high, balancing a Role Madness game can only be rough at best. When reviewing a power-heavy game like this, the two things that must be checked for are broken combinations (i.e. if everyone claimed, could a group of players use their Night action to dominate the game? If not, could they do it after a certain player dies?) and whether any one faction can become grossly more powerful than the other(s).
The subversion of including a single Vanilla Townie in a Role Madness game has been done many times over, to the point where claiming to be a Vanilla Townie has been considered self-confirming (if not an outright Town-tell).
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@Vader
Supa's our only AWOL. The longer he waits the more sus he becomes.
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@warren42
Wait a minute something is wrong. I am a villain yet I am sided with the town. I thought I am an antihero but I am just a villain!!!
Speed's OP: "There is no theme split between town and mafia."
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warren42
ILikePie5
Bearman
RationalMadman
User_2006
Crocodile
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
LittleCookie08
AWOL
SupaDudz
SCUM
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LittleCookie08 (1/6) - Pie
SupaDudz (1/6) - Oro
User_2006(1/6) - Croc
PressF4Respect (1/6) - Rat
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@RationalMadman
Wait a minute something is wrong. I am a villain yet I am sided with the town. I thought I am an antihero but I am just a villain!!!
So you gave us all those reads before reading the game concept?
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@PressF4Respect
> @oromagiYes, but given the vast number of characters in the MCU, it would be easy for mafia to fakeclaim. Also, if that were the case, the power roles would very possibly be outed.
No vanillas, no goons, + role madness=we are all power roles.
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@PressF4Respect
Given the theme, there's probably a link between characters and roles.
Perhaps although the link between my character and role is quite weak. But if you're right doesn't early character claim favor town? For example, if Kingpin was GODFATHER we'd force him to lie, which might get caught or increase by suspicion by providing a godfathery claim.
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warren42
ILikePie5
Bearman
RationalMadman
User_2006
Crocodile
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
LittleCookie08
AWOL
SupaDudz
SCUM
UVC
LittleCookie08 (1/6) - Pie
SupaDudz (1/6) - Oro
User_2006(1/6) - Croc
PressF4Respect (1/6) - Rat
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SInce there is no thematic split, is there any advantage to holding back on character claims?
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@ILikePie5
How do you feel about Warren’s belief in not pressuring inactives?
non-indicative
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@Vader
@warren42
@skittlez09
I've said this before and I'll say it again, voting people who straight up haven't posted makes no sense unless you're doing it to actually just go ahead and lynch them for not posting
I am always fine with lynching inactives.
I will join any lynch on Supa or Cookie at present
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@ILikePie5
I am already VTL'ing the inactive SupaDudz
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warren42
ILikePie5
Bearman
RationalMadman
User_2006
Crocodile
WaterPhoenix
PressF4Respect
AWOL
4. SupaDudz
10. LittleCookie08
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LittleCookie08 (1/6) - Pie
SupaDudz (1/6) - Oro
User_2006(1/6) - Croc
PressF4Respect (1/6) - Rat
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Can neither confirm nor deny. No physical evidence of Jesus is available but there were tens of similar prophetic careers following the Roman takeover. Many Pharisaic and Essenic figures called for temple reform and preached of an eternal life and other similar claims to those ascribed to Jesus in the New Testament. Whether an actual Jesus lived as the New Testament documents or whether those works (and many others) are amalgams or cut and pastes of multiple popular prophets is probably unknowable. Michael Grant points out that we accept many other figures as historical without question based on the same degree of evidence as exists for Jesus. I see no reason not to give the benefit of the doubt that some real core personality existed.
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