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@Vader
So appearently I can’t enjoy my summer without being scum to oromagi? Wtf kind of logic is this. This is horrid. What kind of forced vote is that? Oromagi is force voting me for being inactiveVTL oromagi
Enjoying summer is well-established scum tell
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VTL LittleCookie08 aka PinkFreud08
6. Oromagi
TOWN
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
8. Crocodile
7. BearMan
4. RationalMadman
10. WaterPhoenix
5. SupaDudz
AWOL
9. Warren
11. LittleCookie
SCUM
UVC
Speedrace (1/7) - User
VTNL (1/7) - RM
WP (1/7)- press
Oro (1/7)- Supa
Cookie (1/7)- Oro
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@PressF4Respect
I think you got outlogic'd m8. How are you possibly going to respond to the brilliant points of this astute gentleman?
I can't respond. GreyParrot is the only person on DebateArt who has me blocked.
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We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay. And the reason they're going to pay and the way they're going to pay, Bob, is this. We have a trade deficit now with Mexico of $58 billion a year. The wall is going to cost $10 billion a year. That's what it's going to cost. It's going to be a powerful wall. It's going to cost $10 billion.”
The U.S. deficit with Mexico topped $100 billion for the first time in 2019, up $21.10 billion
On December 17, 2019, acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Mark Morgan stated that 93 miles of barriers has been built during the Trump administration; according to CBP figures, at least 90 miles of that replaced existing structures. A private organization called We Build the Wall has constructed 0.5 miles (0.80 km) of new wall on private property near El Paso, Texas, with Trump's encouragement
That's 3.5 miles of new wall so far- current cost= $11 billion
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In informal political discussions – that is to say, down the pub, across the internet and on talk shows – the phrase serves two functions: to make your opponent look shallow, while at the same time (the irony) signalling your initiation into a more sophisticated level of discourse.
That’s not to say that there’s nothing in Bartholomew’s idea. Sometimes people do take positions to curry favour, or to burnish their reputations. But that’s hardly new. “You’re only saying that to make yourself look good” sums it up pretty well, it’s less pretentious, and still leaves 90 characters for the rest of your tweet.
There’s another danger in the the way the phrase is being deployed (and it’s being deployed a lot). Anyone who makes an argument that casts them in a good light can be accused of “virtue-signalling”. Anyone. That’s an awful lot of babies at risk of being thrown out with the bathwater.
In many cases, the thinking goes like this (with the left a frequent target):
- Bill is saying something right-on
- Virtue-signalling is when you say something right-on just to sound good
- Therefore Bill is virtue-signalling
But 3. is not justified by 1. and 2. You can argue for something that happens to make you look virtuous because you genuinely think it is the best solution. That’s the case, for example, with most religious beliefs. Do we really think the pope is just virtue-signalling?
What started off as a clever way to win arguments has become a lazy put down. It’s too often used to cast aspersions on opponents as an alternative to rebutting their arguments. In fact, it’s becoming indistinguishable from the thing it was designed to call out: smug posturing from a position of self-appointed authority.
I’m not saying we should eradicate “virtue-signalling”. But maybe it’s time to get vaccinated.
-FROM David Shariatmadari's2016 article, "Virtue-signalling' – the putdown that has passed its sell-by date"
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"My Admin has done more for the Black Community than any President since Abraham Lincoln. Passed Opportunity Zones with @SenatorTimScott, guaranteed funding for HBCU’s, School Choice, passed Criminal Justice Reform, lowest Black unemployment, poverty, and crime rates in history.”
-Trump, June 5
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@Crocodile
Croc: He's either scum or town. That's more story and I'm sticking to it....or third party. He's either scum or town or third party. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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For GreyParrot
um, yeah
Aytu Bioscience is HQ'd right here in Denver.
In March, they sold rich mountain towns like Telluride, Aspen, and Jackson Hole thousands of COVIDs tests promising results in 1 week. Results actually took 8 weeks because Aytu discovered that their tests didn't work so they shipped their samples to an actually competent lab in NYC where they waited behind a massive backlog.
Then they claimed exclusive distributorship of a Chinese antibody test, boasting that they had signed a 3 year contract. Their stock quadrupled overnight and skyrocketed for a couple of week until Aytu discovered that the test just didn't work.
Now a class action lawsuit is underway and the Feds are investigating Aytu for securities fraud. It's doubtful the startup will survive the year.
Go ahead and buy their stupid "healight" I'm sure they could use the business.
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Monday: "Almost One Million people request tickets for the Saturday Night Rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma!"
Saturday ~12,000 failed to fear the small amptitheater. More protesters outside then supporters inside.
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"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
-Trump, April 23
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@ILikePie5
o wait u probably counted that unvote a minute ago
VTL Supadudz
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@ILikePie5
Vote Count:Speedrace (1/7) - User
Supadudz (1/7)- oro
I know I usually drop Supa early but I'm still on him now and prob will be til he joins
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@RationalMadman
I read it as a suboptimal townplay as he's paranoid about being investigated
Hooray for RatMan finally playing some mafia!
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@PressF4Respect
as we have joked, Speed has won multiple recent games as scum and his recent gameplay had definitely been much quieter, holding his cards close.
User is new and noobs are notoriously difficult to evaluate. I don't mind tossing a noob into the fire but I'm not likely to read with confidence.
By far, the most incongruous game-play at this early stage is Supa, who is generally quite ebullient and always seems like scum though he seldom is.
I think we should hammer that nail until its flush or bent
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6. Oromagi
TOWN
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
8. Crocodile
7. BearMan
4. RationalMadman
10. WaterPhoenix
AWOL
9. Warren
11. LittleCookie
5. SupaDudz
SCUM
UVC
Supadudz (1/7)- oro
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@Crocodile
Un-vtl User.
for clarity's sake, I recommend
UNVOTE
Some mods require explicit UNVOTE, some don't care- last vote trumps previous. I'm not sure which Pie prefers.
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We — we’re ready to adapt and we’re ready to do whatever we have to as the disease spreads, if it spreads. As most of you know, the — the level that we’ve had in our country is very low, and those people are getting better, or we think that in almost all cases they’re better, or getting. We have a total of 15.... It could have been as many as 42. And we found that we were — it was just an obligation we felt that we had. We could have left them, and that would have been very bad — very bad, I think — of American people. And they’re recovering.
Of the 15 people — the “original 15,” as I call them — 8 of them have returned to their homes, to stay in their homes until fully recovered. One is in the hospital and five have fully recovered. And one is, we think, in pretty good shape and it’s in between hospital and going home.
So we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering, with some already having fully recovered.
We were asking for two and a half billion, and we think that’s a lot, but the Democrats, and, I guess, Senator Schumer wants us to have much more than that.
Hopefully, we’re not going to have to spend so much because we really think we’ve done a great job in keeping it down to a minimum. And again, we’ve had tremendous success — tremendous success — beyond what people would have thought.
Now, at the same time, you do have some outbreaks in some countries. Italy and various countries are having some difficulty. China, you know about it, where it started.
Now, what we’ve done is we’ve stopped non-U.S. citizens from coming into America from China. That was done very early on. We’re screening people, and we have been, at a very high level — screening people coming into the country from infected areas.
We have in quarantine those infected and those at risk. We have a lot of great quarantine facilities. We’re rapidly developing a vaccine, and they can speak to you — the professionals can speak to you about that. The vaccine is coming along well.
But we’re very, very ready for this, for anything — whether it’s going to be a breakout of larger proportions or whether or not we’re — you know, we’re at that very low level, and we want to keep it that way.
So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.
-Trump
15 weeks, 2,300,000 cases, 121,000 dead ago
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@RationalMadman
06.20.20 04:10PM
Why does Oromagi townread all those players in his 'read post' on the bottom of the first page?
I don’t. Anything above the town line is town. I am currently my only town read. Anything below the scum line is scum. Everything between is unresolved, sorted relatively from most town to most scum. In DP1 I generally just rank players who claim highest then sort by when they joined. No shows are always scummiest until everybody posts
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@User_2006
don't delete or edit posts, that is a violation of rules
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@User_2006
(Unless Oro is cop and he had investigated Supa to be against his side)
That would be a rare cop indeed.
That would be a DAYCOP that can investigate DP1 and gets results immediately- I've never seen such a role.
Also, traditionally, COPs are the most likely role to be flavored (insane, paranoid). Even if a COP did get a result in the first minutes of the game, that COP would be stupid to trust those results too much.
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@User_2006
experience has nothing to do with it. In fact, it is a terrible idea.
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@User_2006
--> @oromagiLol why are you VTLing Supa when he hasn't said anything yet? What if you both are town?
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First rule of fight club: speed is always scum
Second rule of fight club: speed always wins
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6. Oromagi
TOWN
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
8. Crocodile
7. BearMan
AWOL
4. RationalMadman
5. SupaDudz
9. Warren
10. WaterPhoenix
11. LittleCookie
SCUM
UVC
supadudz (1/7)- oro
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Q:what do you get when you cross
an abominable snowman
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lemon candy
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a circus buffoon
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@sadolite
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Love takes off masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within.
-James Baldwin
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Race Riot, Tulsa, 1921
The blazing white shirts of the white men
are blanks on the page, looking at them is like
looking at the sun, you could go blind.
Under the snouts of the machine guns,
the dark glowing skin of the women and
men going to jail. You can look at the
gleaming horse-chestnuts of their faces the whole day.
All but one descend from the wood
back of the flat-bed truck. He lies,
shoes pointed North and South,
knuckled curled under on the splintered slats,
head thrown back as if he is in a
field, his face tilted up
toward the sky, to get the sun on it, to
darken it more and more toward the color of the human.
-Sharon Olds
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Sympathy
I know what the caged bird feels, alas!
When the sun is bright on the upland slopes;
When the wind stirs soft through the springing grass,
And the river flows like a stream of glass;
When the first bird sings and the first bud opes,
And the faint perfume from its chalice steals—
I know what the caged bird feels!
I know why the caged bird beats his wing
Till its blood is red on the cruel bars;
For he must fly back to his perch and cling
When he fain would be on the bough a-swing;
And a pain still throbs in the old, old scars
And they pulse again with a keener sting—
I know why he beats his wing!
I know why the caged bird sings, ah me,
When his wing is bruised and his bosom sore,—
When he beats his bars and he would be free;
It is not a carol of joy or glee,
But a prayer that he sends from his heart’s deep core,
But a plea, that upward to Heaven he flings—
I know why the caged bird sings!
-Paul Laurence Dunbar
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Harlem
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
-Langston Hughes
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For the Union Dead
The old South Boston Aquarium stands
in a Sahara of snow now. Its broken windows are boarded.
The bronze weathervane cod has lost half its scales.
The airy tanks are dry.
Once my nose crawled like a snail on the glass;
my hand tingled
to burst the bubbles
drifting from the noses of the cowed, compliant fish.
My hand draws back. I often sigh still
for the dark downward and vegetating kingdom
of the fish and reptile. One morning last March,
I pressed against the new barbed and galvanized
fence on the Boston Common. Behind their cage,
yellow dinosaur steamshovels were grunting
as they cropped up tons of mush and grass
to gouge their underworld garage.
Parking spaces luxuriate like civic
sandpiles in the heart of Boston.
A girdle of orange, Puritan-pumpkin colored girders
braces the tingling Statehouse,
shaking over the excavations, as it faces Colonel Shaw
and his bell-cheeked Negro infantry
on St. Gaudens' shaking Civil War relief,
propped by a plank splint against the garage's earthquake.
Two months after marching through Boston,
half the regiment was dead;
at the dedication,
William James could almost hear the bronze Negroes breathe.
Their monument sticks like a fishbone
in the city's throat.
Its Colonel is as lean
as a compass-needle.
He has an angry wrenlike vigilance,
a greyhound's gentle tautness;
he seems to wince at pleasure,
and suffocate for privacy.
He is out of bounds now. He rejoices in man's lovely,
peculiar power to choose life and die—
when he leads his black soldiers to death,
he cannot bend his back.
On a thousand small town New England greens,
the old white churches hold their air
of sparse, sincere rebellion; frayed flags
quilt the graveyards of the Grand Army of the Republic.
The stone statues of the abstract Union Soldier
grow slimmer and younger each year—
wasp-waisted, they doze over muskets
and muse through their sideburns . . .
Shaw's father wanted no monument
except the ditch,
where his son's body was thrown
and lost with his "niggers."
The ditch is nearer.
There are no statues for the last war here;
on Boylston Street, a commercial photograph
shows Hiroshima boiling
over a Mosler Safe, the "Rock of Ages"
that survived the blast. Space is nearer.
When I crouch to my television set,
the drained faces of Negro school-children rise like balloons.
Colonel Shaw
is riding on his bubble,
he waits
for the blessèd break.
The Aquarium is gone. Everywhere,
giant finned cars nose forward like fish;
a savage servility
slides by on grease.
-Robert Lowell
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Lift Every Voice and Sing
Lift ev'ry voice and sing
'Til earth and heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the list'ning skies
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun
Let us march on 'til victory is won
Stony the road we trod
Bitter the chastening rod
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died
Yet with a steady beat
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered
Out from the gloomy past
'Til now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast
God of our weary years
God of our silent tears
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light
Keep us forever in the path, we pray
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee
Shadowed beneath Thy hand
May we forever stand
True to our God
True to our native land
- James Weldon & J. Rosamond Johnson
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When I Think of Tamir Rice While Driving
in the backseat of my car are my own sons,
still not yet Tamir’s age, already having heard
me warn them against playing with toy pistols,
though my rhetoric is always about what I don’t
like, not what I fear, because sometimes
I think of Tamir Rice & shed tears, the weeping
all another insignificance, all another way to avoid
saying what should be said: the Second Amendment
is a ruthless one, the pomp & constitutional circumstance
that says my arms should be heavy with the weight
of a pistol when forced to confront death like
this: a child, a hidden toy gun, an officer that fires
before his heart beats twice. My two young sons play
in the backseat while the video of Tamir dying
plays in my head, & for everything I do know, the thing
I don’t say is that this should not be the brick and mortar
of poetry, the moment when a black father drives
his black sons to school & the thing in the air is the death
of a black boy that the father cannot mention,
because to mention the death is to invite discussion
of taboo: if you touch my sons the crimson
that touches the concrete must belong, at some point,
to you, the police officer who justifies the echo
of the fired pistol; taboo: the thing that says that justice
is a killer’s body mangled and disrupted by bullets
because his mind would not accept the narrative
of your child’s dignity, of his right to life, of his humanity,
and the crystalline brilliance you saw when your boys first
breathed;
the narrative must invite more than the children bleeding
on crisp fall days; & this is why I hate it all, the people
around me,
the black people who march, the white people who cheer,
the other brown people, Latinos & Asians & all the colors
of humanity
that we erase in this American dance around death, as we
are not permitted to articulate the reasons we might yearn
to see a man die; there is so much that has to disappear
for my mind not to abandon sanity: Tamir for instance,
everything
about him, even as his face, really and truly reminds me
of my own, in the last photo I took before heading off
to a cell, disappears, and all I have stomach for is blood,
and there is a part of me that wishes that it would go away,
the memories, & that I could abandon all talk of making
it right
& justice. But my mind is no sieve & sanity is no elixir &
I am bound
to be haunted by the strength that lets Tamir’s father,
mother, kinfolk resist the temptation to turn everything
they see into a grave & make home the series of cells
that so many of my brothers already call their tomb.
-Reginald Dwayne Betts
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LET AMERICA BE AMERICA AGAIN
Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.
(America never was America to me.)
Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed —
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.
(It never was America to me.)
O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.
(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")
Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?
I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek —
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.
I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!
I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean —
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.
Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home —
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."
The free?
Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay —
Except the dream that's almost dead today.
O, let America be America again —
The land that never has been yet —
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine — the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME —
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.
Sure, call me any ugly name you choose —
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!
O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath —
America will be!
Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain —
All, all the stretch of these great green states —
And make America again!
-Langston Hughes
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
my main issue is claiming to care more for his child than he did,
- Well, then you have no issue at all.
- RIchmond's only mention of children before Gaetz interupts is
- "AS A BLACK MALE WHO WENT TO THE FIFTH BEST PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY, WHO WAS A VICTIM OF EXCESSIVE FORCE, WHO HAS A BLACK SON, WHO HAS WORRIES THAT YOU ALL DON'T AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT KEEP INTRODUCING AMENDMENTS THAT ARE A TANGENT AND A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ALL ARE WHITE MEN WHO HAVE NEVER LIVED IN MY SHOES AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE."
- Gaetz interrupts 30 seconds later with a bad distortion of Richmond's words
- "I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. I -- ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE CERTAIN THAT NONE OF US HAVE NONWHITE CHILDREN?BECAUSE YOU REFLECT ON YOUR BLACK SON AND YOU SAY NONE OF US COULD UNDERSTAND...
- Richmond:
- MATT. MATT. STOP. I AM NOT ABOUT TO GET SIDETRACKED BY THE COLOR OF OUR CHILDREN. I RECLAIM MY TIME. I RECLAIM MY TIME.>> THE GENTLEMAN RECLAIMED HIS TIME.>> I ALREADY KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT HAVE BLACK GRANDCHILDREN. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE COLOR OF YOUR KIDS. IT IS ABOUT BLACK MALES, LIKE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS THAT ARE GETTING KILLED AND IF ONE OF THEM HAPPENS TO BE YOUR KID I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THEM TOO AND CLEARLY I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM THEN YOU ARE.
- Gaetz :
- YOU ARE CLAIMING YOU'RE CLAIMING YOU HAVE MORE CONCERN FOR MY FAMILY THAN I DO? WHO IN THE HELL DO THINK YOU ARE. THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
- Let's note that both of Gaetz' s assertions are straw men
- You are asserting that none of us have non-white children.
- RIchmond never said anything of the kind.
- He said you are all white men who do not know what it is like to be an African-American male.
- That's objectively true so Gaetz had no hope of refuting so he creates a false claim that some white men don't have non-white children. RIchmond tells Gaetz to sit down.
- Then Gaetz falsely asserts Richmond is claiming to be more concerned about Gaetz family than Gaetz.
- Richmond said, If one of the black males getting killed by cops is Gaetz's then Richmond is objectively more concerned about his welfare than Gaetz.
- But none of the black males getting killed cops is Gaetz's so Richmond's conditional is not met and Richmond made no such claim.
- In fact, Gaetz has no black son
- In fact, Gaetz has no wife or kids
- In fact, Gaetz lied repeatedly about adopting an immigrant son who is actually just a kid who lives with Gaetz under some fairly suspect circumstance. Gaetz claims that their relationship is based on love and not paperwork but 12 year old boys making their primary residence with unmarried congressman is a circumstance that requires a lot of paperwork to be anything like legal
- Either Gaetz thinks of the boy as family and has lied about denied the boy's membership in his family for 7 years or he never thought of the boy as family until such a claim offered some political expedience.
- Either way, we can say without fear of contradcition that Matt Gaetz is the worst fucking father ever.
- Which, even if Gaetz's houseboy were black would still affirm Richmond's claim. There is no version of this story in which it is not objectively true that Richmond cares more about Gaetz's fake black son than Gaetz does.
- Richmond never claimed to care more about Gaetz's son than Gaetz. Gaetz has no children and only started pretending to have children after Richmond's claim. Therefore, you have no ground for complaint. Certainly nothing worth the condemnation and punishment you call for.
obviously you aren't a parent, perhaps ask a parent what kind of reaction they would have.
- YOU'RE CLAIMING MATT GAETZ HAS MORE CONCERN FOR HIS UNDERAGED CUBAN POOLBOY THAN I DO? WHO IN THE HELL DO THINK YOU ARE? THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
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@PressF4Respect
What are you doin' here, brother? The Political Forumlands are no place for an upstanding, respectable netizen of DART like you.There ain't any reason here, nor civility.The inhospitable environment here only breeds the nastiest of squabblers, whose vicious tongues harass all but the most conservative of dwellers.Beware of the strawmen, for they are aplenty and mighty ferocious. I've got the scars to prove that.They will mangle your argument into an unrecognizable slurry, which the trumpophiles then feed off of.And whatever you do, do not pursue the creatures when they retreat.They will lure you down their caverns into a trap, where they slay and feast upon your sanity.Turn back now, before it's too late. Your soul will thank you later.
I know. I've taken two showers already and I still smell like swamp
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
whataboutism is the justification of a misdeed by pointing out another's similar misdeed.
SInce I find no fault with Rep Richmond's remarks (white dads have less reason to worry about their sons getting murdered by the government than black dads) I see no need to justify. Instead I am addressing the principles you laid out
- Rep Richmond should be condemned and punished for saying that white dads have less reason to worry about their sons getting murdered by the government than black dads because "children should not be used in politics" But Richmond was talking about the fatherhood and spoke of children in only the most generic terms
- You have stated as your subject that the absence of punishment and reprisal for Richmond represents "the end of morality and civility" but Richmond's remarks harmed no children, merely called out the ignorance of old white men
- On the other hand yesterday, Gaetz used an immigrant boy by falsely calling him his adopted son when up until yesterday he introduced him as "the help" to protect Gaetz from accusations of unconcious bias.
- On the other hand yesterday, Trump used two 3 year old boys by falsely doctoring a video to look like a racist incident and calling it news to promote the idea that Democrats are more racist than Republicans
- On the other hand Trump mocked a 16 year old's disability to promote opposition to climate science.
- On the other hand most Republicans promote the many investigations into Hunter Biden although you were just criticizing HistoryBuff for attacking "someone's family who has nothing to do with politics"
- On the other hand, Trump has badly misused tens of thousand of children to promote his cred amount his white supremacist electorate- tortured, drugged, orphaned, and even murdered children for corrupt political gain.
Your thesis is that to restore morality and civility, a black congressman should be condemned and punished for suggesting that white fathers know less about parenting black boys than black fathers on the principle that children don't belong in politics.
Aren't these many current examples of Republican child abuse far more deserving of condemnation and punishment than Richmond's mild, generic rebuke? If not, why not? Does your version of morality and civility demand that only Democrats be punished for child abuse? Or is it only that black congressmen ought to be punished for criticizing their white superiors?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Why are you ignoring all those questions I asked you?
So then you agree that Gaetz should not have publicly outed his son/cabana boy as evidence that he is not a racist?
So then you agree that yesterday, Trump ought not to have manipulated a CNN story about racial harmony between toddlers to create a false narrative of racial tension? Should Trump apologize to those two boys (now 3 years old for using them as a political sword?
So then you agree that Trump ought not to have publicly mocked a 16 year old girl's disability on twitter multiple times over the last year, calling Thunberg's Asperger's Syndrome an "anger management problem"?
So then you agree that the Trump, Gaetz, and most of the Republican Party ought not to be trying to manufacture charges against Hunter Biden just because he is the son of Trump's political rival?
So then you agree that Trump ought not to imprison tens of thousands of immigrant children (70,000 in 2019)to promote a political goal of "zero tolerance", separating at least 5000 from their parents, exposing thousands to sex abuse, forcing at least 300 to take psychotropic drugs (to keep them quiet), and killing at least seven kids in 2019?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
--> @oromagiwhat he chooses to reveal is his person business and no one else, personal life involving children should not be used in politics,
Well let's recall that Gaetz is the one arguing that he can't be a racist because he has a secret non-white adopted son (never mind that his guest to the State of the Union was a writer known for his contributions to the Neo-Nazi's Daily Stormer website. Then it turns that he was lying about adoption. Then it turns out that he's been introducing the boy for years as an employee or a political volunteer. I think the authorities have a legitimate responsibility to investigate the circumstances under which a single 30 year old starts co-habitating with a 12 year old immigrant boy. The boy seems to travel with Gaetz to DC. Does the boy go to school? Who was the boy's parental authority at school, since we know it was not Gaetz?
children should not be used as swords in politics, I know the leftist don't agree with that because they pretend some moral superiority when in fact most are a-moral.
So then you agree that Gaetz should not have publicly outed his son/cabana boy as evidence that he is not a racist?
So then you agree that yesterday, Trump ought not to have manipulated a CNN story about racial harmony between toddlers to create a false narrative of racial tension? Should Trump apologize to those two boys (now 3 years old for using them as a political sword?
So then you agree that Trump ought not to have publicly mocked a 16 year old girl's disability on twitter multiple times over the last year, calling Thunberg's Asperger's Syndrome an "anger management problem"?
So then you agree that the Trump, Gaetz, and most of the Republican Party ought not to be trying to manufacture charges against Hunter Biden just because he is the son of Trump's political rival?
So then you agree that Trump ought not to imprison tens of thousands of immigrant children (70,000 in 2019)to promote a political goal of "zero tolerance", separating at least 5000 from their parents, exposing thousands to sex abuse, forcing at least 300 to take psychotropic drugs (to keep them quiet), and killing at least seven kids in 2019?
playing the color card has been a very old ploy of the leftist as well, dismissing someone or discounting their opinion because of the skin color, when they know nothing about the person is nothing new, neither is the hypocrisy.
Confronting racism is not "playing the color card," it is a moral imperative for all loyal Americans, who hold as the first and primary truth of America, that all humans are created equal. That's not a left vs right thing. It is a good vs evil thing. Let's note the traditional American right (Goldwater Republicans, Reagan/Bush Republicans) has been rejecting the inherent racism of Trumpocracy for many years.
Mary Elizabeth Taylor, who was a loyal right winger, a loyal Trumpist and the most senior ranking black woman appointed by Trump (Assistant Secretary of State) resigned yesterday to protest Trump's overt and unacceptable racism
"The President’s comments and actions surrounding racial injustice and Black Americans cut sharply against my core values and convictions. I must follow the dictates of my conscience and resign as Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs.”
It not some leftist perception that our government is in the hands of racists, it is an affliction that both the loyal left and loyal right must work together to excise.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Actually, it has been lawfully permissible for a black man to talk back to a white man for decades.
And no, just because an unmarried congressman in his 30's has been living alone in a house with a Cuban teenager since the boy was 12 does not make Gaetz an authority on black parenting. He calls him his son today but never revealed his existence of his son during multiple political campaigns or any other context before today. I hope journalists are looking hard into the nature and legality of that relationship now.
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1. Do you agree or disagree with the removal of the following clause in the new COC (the full document can be found here):
- No
2. Are you for or against mods being allowed to vote in future MEEPs? Note that there are more than two options for this question:
- No
3. Are you for or against votes being reported on (and possibly removed) after the voting period is finished? Note that there are more than two options for this question:
- No
4. Are you for or against the implementation of a polling section in DART?
- No
5. Are you for or against the implementation of advertisements on DART? Note that there are more than two options for this question:
- Yes4
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@TheUnderdog
Added 06.18.20 07:55AMIf abortion is really murder, then what Trump did is unforgivable, if he did it.
This is fake news. Barry Friedman is a comedian and podcaster living in Tulsa, OK. The link may look like news but I can't find any similar article published by the Dallas Morning News going back to to 2016.
I googled both of the alleged text messages
- "Donny, you’ve been parading your pro-life stance all over the place but you had no issue asking me to abort our unborn child when you thought it would be bad for you.”
- and
- “While I don’t think it’s mine, I really don’t. I can’t prove it, but I bet you’ve had a lot of sex. Anyway, I’ll send you a thou to get rid of it.”
The source for both quotes seems to be this friedmanontheplains website.
As far as I can tell, it remains true that any evidence for Trump funded abortions is circumstantial
- Trump is a proud and prolific philanderer. He has boasted on multiple occasions of sexually assaulting and harassing women. He has been accused of every manner of sexual misconduct from harassing, peeping, and groping many employees to rape (including rape allegations by one ex-wife and one 13 year old girl. Many women have many stories of being recruited to attend Trump parties and visit Trump properties when they were younger the 18. Many corroborations confirm that Trump refuses to wear a condom. Since such misconduct is likely to produce unwanted pregnancies and since we don't know of any successful patrimony suits, speculation regarding at least some abortions seems reasonable.
- Trump was pro-abortion most of his life. The first indication of a change was 2011 as Trump began to think seriously about politics.
- Trump has retained lawyers and prominent journalist who specialize in sexual misconducts "catch-and-kills" intercepting stories like rapes and abortions and hushing up women with money and contracts. That there are many unseen cases has been testified in court but naturally, no details are available.
- Trump's standard non-disclosure agreement (signature of which is required of most Trump associates and employees) explicitly prevents any discussion of Trump funded abortions.
- When asked point blank about funding abortions, Trump has refused to answer. We should note that Trump is famous for lying on any subject in any circumstance so his refusal to answer (even if just to falsify a denial) is uncharacteristic and rather suggestive.
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@RationalMadman
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It is not true what you are saying about Islam, both Christianity and Islam are extremely prone to parents bullying children and conquerers blackmailing invaded populations, into believing.
What I said was that Muhammad commanded tolerance...are you saying that’s not true? None of what you say after seems to refute that.
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I agree with Dr.Franklin. While it would be nice to think that Christianity’s spread was mostly idealogical appeal history tells us that the most aggressive empires in history imposed Christianity by force, even mass murder , for generations. Rome ( including papal influence after 410) christianized Europe. Byzantium christianized Russia, Spain christianized the Americas, Philippines,etc England and France christianized North America, Africa, Australia, etc.
Muhammad commanded tolerance for Jews and Christians. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism have some forced conversion but very minor compared to Christian traditions.
The short answer is that Christianity is widespread because Christians forced conversion on much of the world’s population for generations and killed (using a wide variety of tactics) those who wouldn’t convert.
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@sadolite
Dr. Franklin's division is right on point
the far right wants a nationalistically nation with one people, one race,one religion and one identity
Indistinguishable from the domestic ambitions of Nazi Germany or the American Confederacy.
the far left wants a socialist utopia full of different people
America is chock full of different people, more different people than any other nation on Earth. The word "utopia" means an imaginary place but our present day America is full of different people and that is not imaginary. Right-wingers are clear on the point that they want to remove all that different-ness from the United States but they seldom look you in the eye when the discussion turns to how to remove all those people. One race, one religion, one identity- that is the true and horrifying utopia. There are lots of countries in the world full of different people. There never has been a nation of one race, religion, and identity and most Americans would fight another Civil War, another World War II to ensure there never will be.
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@sadolite
In order for me and everyone else to get clarity or to be perfectly clear what left wing and right wing thinking really are, I would like to dispense with all known labels such as communism, socialism, fascism etc. I need to know what the most far left thinking person would want in terms of a govt and what the most far right thinking person would want in terms of a govt. Again no labels, just define what they would want in terms of a govt and what powers it would have and not have.
If one goes by the original, simplest, intended and most cogent left-right delineation then "left vs. right" = "democracy vs. god & king"
The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left. One deputy, the Baron de Gauville, explained: "We began to recognize each other: those who were loyal to religion and the king took up positions to the right of the chair so as to avoid the shouts, oaths, and indecencies that enjoyed free rein in the opposing camp" Just define the most extreme far left and far right.
That's it. Let's recall that the French Revolution was a direct response to the American Revolution in multiple ways. The left wing of the National Assembly was explicitly seeking an American style republic. When the term was coined, Leftism explicitly meant American-style government and Rightism was explicitly opposed to American-style government. Extreme Leftism was represented by Jefferson, Franklin, Adams. Extreme Rightism was represented by George III, Louis XVI, and Pope Pius XI
The Scottish sociologist Robert M. MacIver noted in The Web of Government (1947):
The right is always the party sector associated with the interests of the upper or dominant classes, the left the sector expressive of the lower economic or social classes, and the centre that of the middle classes. Historically this criterion seems acceptable. The conservative right has defended entrenched prerogatives, privileges and powers; the left has attacked them. The right has been more favorable to the aristocratic position, to the hierarchy of birth or of wealth; the left has fought for the equalization of advantage or of opportunity, for the claims of the less advantaged. Defence and attack have met, under democratic conditions, not in the name of class but in the name of principle; but the opposing principles have broadly corresponded to the interests of the different classes.
Once this has been defined I will be able to place all known labels with absolute clarity in their respective left or right leaning category based on what those known labels have done and want today.
Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".
Political scientists and other analysts regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives and social liberals. Movements for racial equality and trade unionism have also been associated with the left.
Political scientists and other analysts regard the right as including conservatives, right-libertarians, neoconservatives, imperialists, monarchists, fascists, reactionaries and traditionalists.
For example: With your definitions I will be able to determine if supporters and members of BLM are left leaning or a right leaning thinking people.
Not much room for discussion there. All civil rights movements and appeals for increased equality are leftist by definition. Those who advocate for the government's right to strangle less desirable citizens at will or the right of government to tear-gas lawful assemblies so that our present king and all his heirs and entourage can take a bible-waving publicity stroll to church are right-wing by definiton.
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@fauxlaw
DRV
advantage:
modest (no software changes)
workable
disadvantage:
creates two tiers in the population which inevitably (even unintentionally) favors the DRVs in debates and fosters
I support the idea generally. What I really want is three automated college professors to paste gold stars.
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I agree that unvoted debates are an unacceptable result after the effort of full engagement. I am to blame as much as anybody.
What if instead of a set voting period we had a set number of votes required- an odd, sufficient number like 5 or 7 votes? After the last vote we might allow a 3 day period for moderation. I guess one result might be that many or most debates just hang unresolved for months or years. Unpopular subjects or debaters might be snubbed tactically....
Somehow, active voting needs to be animated by the same motivations that drive us to debate. Voting is so disincentivized. Voting requires more effort than posting (even debating, oftentimes) only to disappoint some fellow debater with some decision that few ever read or credit. Maybe we have to vote a certain number of times to earn a debate privilege ( that would certainly reduce the junk debaters but might just kill activity). Maybe we can improve our ELO (or some other rating)
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@ILikePie5
I'm still pretty short on time but I hate to see the games just idle.
/in I don't know any of these shows so 13 reasons is fine w/ me
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