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@Vader
--> @oromagiCan you lmk why you suspect Ragnar again? I’m not questioning you in a negative way, but I simply forgot your reasoning behind it
early in the game, Ragnar unvoted User saying we had lots of time. After User claims bulletproof, no CC, and immediately after Ragnar's second game begins (knowing that Ragnar is pressed for time today, he likely decided to take larger risks in one game to economize his time sucks), Ragnar decides to do User in
--> @User_2006Next time you play, I suggest being a bit of a lurker (just not a pure lurker).Also if you're not scum this time, I hope you get to be one soon; as it's an important perspective in understanding the game.As a hypothetical imagine you're scum, and I just outed myself as Bulletproof. You now know not to target me. Similarly, if I out myself as Vanilla, I'm also a waste to target (less so than bulletproof, but still not ideal). Imagine then that Speed and Press also out themselves as Vanilla. That would tell you to narrow your eyes toward the dessert section to kill the town power roles.Of course people do lie about their roles, but there's a general rule of Lynch All Liars (which is to say that baring no better tell, we'll start lynching the people who have been caught in any lies).
Ragnar demonstrates here low confidence that User is scum. "if you're not scum this time" "imagine you're scum" and knowledge that User claims BP- a high value town role but suddenly grows impatient 20 mins later (time to talk things over with buddy) and axes User. Then he give some BS thematic split read that had nothing to do with his reason for VTL 30 mins earlier
Town wouldn't kill a valuable role while demonstrating such low confidence. Town wouldn't try a new angle minutes later
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@Lunatic
@coal
--> @oromagiIt's DP1. I'm just taking notes.It seems like you're suspicious of TUF. So do you agree with Zaradi that town should be pressuring him?
Well, he's usually pretty impervious to pressure although one game he crowed before the official vote count and gave away the game if I remember right....
Do you know any good TUF tells?
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@Zaradi
--> @oromagiDani, Max- arriving late, staying low is good scum strategy. Gives town a chance to start infighting.If there's any town infighting to be done, TUF's just the man to do it....okay. but do you think they're scum because of it? If so, why aren't you pressuring/voting for them?
naw. just taking notes.
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@coal
--> @oromagiDani, Max- arriving late, staying low is good scum strategy. Gives town a chance to start infighting.If there's any town infighting to be done, TUF's just the man to do it.I don't understand this. Are you saying all three are possibly scum? Or that Dani and Max seem like they're coordinating and therefore scum?So you disagree with my town read on Danielle?
It's DP1. I'm just taking notes.
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@coal
Dani, Max- arriving late, staying low is good scum strategy. Gives town a chance to start infighting.
If there's any town infighting to be done, TUF's just the man to do it.
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@coal
....That's my thinking so far on that limited issue.
holy shit.
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@Danielle
Who is orogami?
*cry*
- actually, i m not surprised you don't remember me
- we never friended on DDO, for example
- naturally, I remember you but I can't confidently recall any specific interaction
Hi
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MYLO-
Still Ragnar. Still for the super scum turn on our precious, already fully disclosed bulletproof
VTL Rangar
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@Crocodile
I would disagree with your statement that China's response was more transparent than the US, although I would says both of their responses should be conceived as failures.
I would argue that disinformation is less transparent than cover up. The instrument of international pandemic transparency is the WHO. Let's note that President Xi addressed the World Health Organization (and reps from every nation except the US) regarding the virus yesterday and welcomed a major investigation into China's response. The US has essentially dropped out of the WHO and so has no access to the agreed upon instrument (and so need not submit to any international investigation of US response). Putin may be jailing whistleblowing doctors but at least he's not on television actively selling drugs that the FDA advises offer no benefit and substantially increase the likelihood of death.
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@ludofl3x
I identify as Irish Catholic culturally and I admire the quality of a Catholic school education but I have to say this seems like a very low priority from a public policy point of view. Everybody's going out of business- that is one defining feature of the Make America Great Depression. 70% of brewpubs are anticipated to go under this year.
One distinct advantage that private schools (including Catholic schools) have over most other institutions is that the majority of their clients are wealthy. If the rich continue to value private school education, then the rich must shoulder the burden of saving those institutions. I, for one, think that the collapse of the two tiered education system and the coalescence of all American interests and resources into a single public education system ultimately improves our readiness to live in a democratic society.
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@Crocodile
Does anyone want to debate me in the topic:Is China's Response to Coronavirus Inadequate?Kinda off-topic tho ig
I'm thinking about it. Mostly because we have so little reliable data about what takes place within the Chinese Govt. that the case should be impossible to prove. However, inadequate is a low and fuzzy standard to have to prove. Any big government response is going to prove inadequate to the needs of some as care and aid is prioritized. I would certainly argue that China's response was more effective and transparent than the US response although that's a pretty low bar.
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Regarding the dashboard, I don't care for him always putting himself above the town.
The idea is Above the town line is confirmed town. Below the scum line is confirmed scum. When I am doing my reads I am always confirmed town. I understand that you can’t share in that confirmation yet but if I didn’t wouldn’t people ask why I haven’t confirmed myself?
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@Objectivity
He seems a bit overeager.
just trying to generate some activity
Think of a still room on a hot day.....that's me flapping my arms
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I have to say I think I like themed mafia better. It certainly gives you more to talk about in the early round. I guess people like it because its more about the personalities and less about clues.
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@coal
Debates: 0Forum posts: 740225Added: 05.18.20 09:58PM--> @oromagiExplain why you voted for Zaradi but he wasn't your strongest scum read.
Post #79 explains this:
"Pls. note that my reads list was based on activity alone. I just picked from the bottom of the list (after realizing that sui_generis had posted."
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when the world starts making too much sense I just click on a few of those links from crossed.
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@Barney
WTF?
you're telling me that your town and you're happy to axe a very likely BP? and long before the end of day one?
uh-oh Ragnar, you stink.
What happened to Mr. "ho-hum, we have bags of time?"
For suspicious early hammers, personality shifts, and all-around knuckle dragging:
VTL Ragnar
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@Danielle
oromagi
TOWN Role Notes
Lunatic
Coal
Objectivity
Ragnar
Zaradi
sui_generis
airmax1227
Danielle
SCUM Role Notes
UNVOTE
VTL Danielle
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@Zaradi
--> @oromagiWhy are you posting a reads list but making an RVS vote?
Pls. note that my reads list was based on activity alone. I just picked from the bottom of the list (after realizing that sui_generis had posted.
Also why are you making an RVS vote when we're not in RVS anymore?
Oh! Did the clock strike midnight? I'm a bit deaf.
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These are early reads based on activity
oromagi
TOWN Role Notes
Lunatic
Coal
Objectivity
Ragnar
airmax1227
Danielle
Zaradi
sui_generis
SCUM Role Notes
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@Lucky
Thanks for the work you put into set up.
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@Objectivity
Who was Lunatic on DDO
I think I've played at least one game with everybody except you. Were you objectivity@DDO or some other username?
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If I was scum who wanted a hider to hide behind me (for town cred or some power role) I might claim BP to attract the hider
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@User_2006
--> @Discipulus_Didicit @oromagi @PressF4Respect @Ragnar @SupaDudzFine, I will reveal myself even more. I control the terminator ship and this ship has an energy shield so it acts like the bulletproof role, one night. I win with town. Is this not clear enough? How am I being considered guilty with one post while more than 5 other posts are presenting my innocence?
Mafiawiki does not improve your potential innocence:
"Bulletproof is not a role that is frequently claimed, and when it is claimed it is generally seen as scummy. From scum, it is partly a justification for why a given player is not being killed by the scum at Night and partly a claim of a role they actually have (scum are much more likely to be given Bulletproof than Town). From Town, a true Bulletproof claim renders its effect useless (scum will not try to kill a player who is likely Bulletproof) while opening its claimant up to potentially being called Bulletproof scum."
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5) oromagi
TOWN Role SPECIES SHIP Notes
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4) Ragnar
6) iLikePie5
2) LittleCookie08
3) PressF4Respect
7) Speedrace
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SCUM
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@PressF4Respect
Latin for "hail alliance" so Press is probably alliance or new alliance
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@Barney
It's awesome. The big idea is that the Galaxy is populated by thousands of sentient species and almost all culture, economy, religion, etc. centers around the "uplift" of new species to sentience. A species status in the galaxy is based on how many species your species has uplifted and the status of the species who uplifted your species. Most religions center around an origin species that actually achieved sentience without help from a parent species. When humans encounter the galaxy they are immediately branded heretics for claiming they achieved sentience by themselves and humans' place in the galaxy is bottom rung. The only things earthlings have worth trading for interstellar technology is their uniquely diverse animal and plant genetics and whale song, which is incredibly popular.
So humans are now putting all their efforts into uplifting chimps, dolphins, gorillas, killer whales, etc into sentience. Most of the action surrounds the first Terran spaceship captained by a dolphin and mostly crewed by dolphins. The dolphins accidentally discover a fleet of abandoned ships billions of years old and trigger a full on Galactic War with huge fleets of sophisticated starships trying to take out one unarmed dolphin ship. Great stuff.
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5) oromagi
TOWN Role SPECIES SHIP Notes
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4) Ragnar
6) iLikePie5
2) LittleCookie08
3) PressF4Respect
7) Speedrace
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SCUM
UVC
User (3/5) - speedrace, cookie, supa
Press (1/5)- user
Supa (1/5)- oro
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@warren42
Oh, I didn't read closely enough and thought my ship was the character. Still unclear, is our character two-part? Yes, my species or race or whatever is Spathi
So....it follows that ships and species are linked, since Ragnar guessed your species from your ship. Good to know.
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@Vader
I wouldn't take his VTL on me too serious. It is a meme in DART to vote me in the beginning, then to remove the vote off me. The meme sadly died for some reason and Press is like the old parent who is always behind in the memes
f*ck! I am totally off my game
VTL Supadudz
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@User_2006
Conclusion: Ragnar had been dying earlier and earlier, and he has been town for a long time.
i like this analysis a lot
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Hi folks-
seems like every time I try to play mafia these days my time gets sucked out into the vacuum of space. Catching up now
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uh, hem....
broke of all bad habits
rouged and coiffed up for the ball
lemon essence sensed by sinners
l'arch de triomphe conquers all
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@User_2006
Alright, are you telling me to join?[Yes] / [No]
Yes, please join
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@User_2006
ok then, is it that dramatic
I considered going with:
Baby come back! any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back! you can blame it all on ['dudz]
['dudz] was wrong, and can't mafia without you
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@User_2006
I understand the usage of exaggeration in your poem, however based on my performance, I didn't add much to the game, did I?
few of us ever do and you can't improve if you don't play
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o cum all ye losers
dumb but unrepentant
o cum ye you elephants of
ma ah fee uh
cum be emboldened cuz
it's greyparrot's bur...earth...day
he'll be too drunk to help out
our town's attempts to scum hunt
o cum and be emboldened!
Ma... Ah.... Fee uhhhhhhhhhhhh
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@User_2006
/not in
Ain't no sunshine when [user_2006's] gone
It's not warm when [user_2006's] away
Ain't no sunshine when [user_2006's] gone
And [user_2006's] always gone too long
Anytime [user_2006] goes away
Wonder this time where [user_2006's] gone
Wonder if [user_2006's] gone to stay
Ain't no sunshine when [user_2006's] gone
And this house just ain't no home
Anytime [user_2006] goes away
And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I know, I know,
Hey, I oughtta leave young thing alone
But ain't no sunshine when [user_2006's] gone
Ain't no sunshine when [user_2006's] gone
Only darkness every day
Ain't no sunshine when [user_2006's] gone
And this house just ain't no home
Anytime [user_2006] goes away
Anytime [user_2006] goes away
Anytime [user_2006] goes away
Anytime [user_2006] goes away
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@MisterChris
I would suck eggs at live debate #coronavirusnormalizedtheintroverts
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@CaptainSceptic
- The symptoms or clinical presentations are constantly changing.
- There is no clear clinical diagnostic morphology.
- Death rates very from country to country substantially.
- There are dozens of examples of "infection" with no known source contact.
- Examine the history of medical diagnosis and you will discover that these points describe every novel disease outbreak in history. For example, four years after AIDS was identified as a new disease, all four of the above points were true. We hadn't even linked AIDS to HIV yet. Medical histories of the 1918 Flu pandemic or the Black Death demonstrate all these qualities for years- in the case of Bubonic plague, these were true for centuries.
The math is not adding up....
Expecting all the math to add up 18 weeks after the disease was first identified is irrational. Wait four or five years and then we can start looking for diagnostic inconsistencies.
I am not saying it is proof, I am saying it is evidence.
I am saying it is not even evidence. Its just the same old human tendency to project assertion before any confidence is warranted. One thing we know about coronaviruses are that they are hyper-mutants. COVID mutates so fast that we can actually tell the difference between COVID-19 generations that spread in Europe and COVID-19 generations that spread in Asia. No experienced immunologist, virologist, or molecular biologist would expect stable clinical presentations or consistent morphologies at the beginning of a pandemic. Death rates are profoundly subject to demographic and political variables. Contact tracing a disease with a 14 day incubation time is insanely difficult. Expect massive gaps in our understanding of how the disease spread between individuals
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