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Certainly, I was sufficiently aware of my sexuality at the age of nine to have a name for it and to go to the library and read about it. Such awareness did not imply an ability to act on that knowledge or even a willingness to talk about it with anybody else.
I understand that there is some recent scientific thinking that suggests that some surgical and chemical changes before puberty can circumvent a lot of the discomfort associated with such transitions but I really have no sense of how valid or adopted is this scientific claim. I guess I am willing to medical professionals and insurers in this regard. I don't think insurance companies would be wiling to fund such a transition without some real confidence about such a process' value.
The entire question seems fairly rare and extremely private. Such questions of personal identity and personal comfort aren't a matter for public consideration and we should recognize that public interest and opinion is 99% prurient and 100% unwelcome.
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I've met lefties who want to censor Joe Rogan in my personal life.
- anecdote. We have discussed before that you have a distorted view of left/right. I don't have much reason to trust your perception.
I support pointing out Rogan's bad anti vax ideology. But there is a difference between using your free speech to counter something someone says and censoring those you disagree with.
- Agreed.
- There is also a difference between using free speech to criticize Rogan and censoring Rogan. While I am sure you can find examples of Rogan complaining about censorship, I am wondering if you can find an example of actual censorship- private media deciding not to carry Rogan is not censorship- that is just business decsion-making. Is anybody having any actual trouble finding out what Rogan thinks? I doubt it.
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If Murkowski and Warnock win their run-offs as seems likely- that will mean every single incumbent Senator who ran for re-election won. That has never happened before.
in the House, 378 incumbents out of 435 Representatives ran for re-election. 10 lost in the primaries and another 9 lost in the general. That is less than 5% turnover. Although there was significant shifting to the left at the State and local levels this was the single most stable Federal election in US history- the overwhelming majority of American voters put their incumbents back in office, indicating at least a vey high degree of satisfaction with the present government whatever the polls say.
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The left wing base: Joe Rogan is dangerous for spreading misinformation. Censor him.
- Rogan was heavily criticized by the medical community for promoting a lot of obviously false and even voodoo magical claims. Neil Young and Joni Mitchell pulled their work off spotify in protest but that is the opposite of censoring Rogan. Many prominent leftists like Jon Stewart and Jann Wenner made a point of promoting Rogan's freedom of speech while also pointing out the actual harms his stupidity was doing to his listeners. I don't think it is accurate to characterize the left wing as calling for censoring Joe Rogan. I don't think it is leftist to point out the harms Rogan's fake medical info does to his community- that's just stating facts.
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to form a more perfect Union,Democrats call half the country traitors.establish Justice,Democrats create justice based on skin color.insure domestic Tranquility,Democrats promote the summer of love.provide for the common defence,Democrat Congress gives billions for the defense of other oligarchs.promote the general Welfare, andDemocrat Congress funnels billions to Green energy lobbies while people struggle for basic goods.secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves andsecure the Blessings of Liberty to our PosterityDemocrat Congress gives lockdowns and mandates.Also supports the sexual grooming of children.
EXHIBIT A: Greyparrot does not comprehend America
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Only autocrats think of power as the goal.
The stated goals of Americans are
- to form a more perfect Union,
- establish Justice,
- insure domestic Tranquility,
- provide for the common defence,
- promote the general Welfare, and
- secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and
- secure the Blessings of Liberty to our Posterity
Unlike autocratic thinking, democrats aren't looking to centralize power but to only use power when necessary, controlled by a wide variety of competing interests.
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@Double_R
A failing democracy will inevitably result in autocracy. Is that what you prefer?
- If you didn't know that Hitler's Third Reich is Greyparrot's ideal state then you haven't been paying attention
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@bmdrocks21
We have been supplying military and economic aid to Ukraine for many years now. The US alone gave ~$2billion from 2014-2018.
- In addition to diplomatic support in its conflict with Russia, the U.S. provided Ukraine with US$1.5 billion in military aid from 2014 to 2019.
- https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-aid-has-helped-ukraine-since-2014
- That includes Trump's blackmail $400 million
And while Russia may have more tanks and planes, that doesn’t mean a whole lot by itself.
- Tell that to Georgia
While it is hard to gauge the overall quality of Russian equipment, there have been reports of early Cold War tanks being used (T-62s were introduced in 1961). So even if Ukraine has less, that by no means indicates that they are at a disadvantage.
- Global Firepower has consistently ranked Russian miltary power as the second most powerful military in the world (with the US far in advance) every years since it began ranking in 2006 (excepting 2010) in spite of being consistently outspent by China, India, etc. Ukraine was nowhere close until the Russian invasion began in 2014 and only ranked 22nd in 2021.
- Expect those rankings to change dramatically this year
Additionally, there are big considerations of home field advantage at play- they know their own terrain and infrastructure better than the Russians do.
- You are trying to disprove Ukraine a Greek vs. Persia, David vs. Goliath type underdog here. The Greeks also had home field advantage.
my contention is your claim that this is solely due to “democracy”.
- False.
- GP claimed that "American style" Democracy hurt Ukraine: "You see where that kind of Democracy landed Ukraine."
- I said "Russians had more of everything except Democracy. "
- "solely due to "democracy" is entirely your invention and not a statement I would defend.
- The advantages of Democracy are manifest and many fold but the statement was as much to explain Putin's failures in intelligence, moral, competance as Ukrainian cohesion.
- The reason Putin is losing so many generals in combat is because a lack of democracy- you can't give have a lot firepower too remote from the chain of command in a dictatorship, so generals have to control power from forward positions.
- Troops in the field are afraid to honestly report shortages and defeats because bad news is punished in Putin's Russia.
- The reason Putin doesn't know that the Russian people don't consider Ukraine an enemy is because he is insulated from any criticism by his people
- Since 2018, commands are subordinated to poltical directors, as it was in the old Soviet armies- loyalty to Putin is prioritized above miltary competance or strategic ability.
Where would Russia be today if Putin had been limited to a one or two term presidentRussia’s GDP per capita did rise from $1,772 in 2000 to $11,536 in 2019 (pre-COVID).That and considering Russia is one of the major emerging “BRIC” economies, I don’t think he’s done poorly based on the numbers
- I asked where would Russia be today if Putin had been limited to one or two terms (2004 or 2008).
- from $1,772 in 2000 to $4,102 in 2004
- from $1,772 in 2000 to $11,635 in 2008
- $11,635 in 2008 to $11,536 in 2019 means GDP per cap has flattened out since Putin became dictator in 2008
- Per capita is also a bit deceptive since Russian pop has declined since 2000.
- Calling Russia "developing" or "emerging" is definitely as step down from its 20th century "First World" desgination
- Investopedia: "After the 2008-2009 financial crisis the economic and political fortunes of the Big Four began to diverge, and only India and China now appear to have met expectations."
- That is, Russia stopped being a BRIC economy right about the time Putin moved from elected leader to dictator for life.
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@Public-Choice
So Garland blatantly stated he did it because Biden said he intended to.
Biden's stated intent to run- therefore a conflict of interest NOT BIden's stated intent to appoint a special council. Unlike the Trump adminstration, Biden believes that the AG works for the people not the President.
None of this refutes or even addresses what I've argued above. I wonder if you understand that.
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@Public-Choice
As long as it is "Facebook decided" or "Twitter decided" than those are gatekeeping decsions made by players in the free market and I support private enterprise having control of its content 100%. When it becomes "Congress decided" or "the Supreme Court decided" or "the President decided" than that is when the FIrst Ammendment must be considered.
I understand that Republicans and Russians are disappointed that not everybody fell for their October surprise Hunter Biden laptop fake news but that is not an example of "the Trump Administration censored" or "the Federal Government censored' and to say so is a lie.
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- In short,
- Facebook and Twitter refused to print Russian disinformation during 2020 campaign and now wonder if they went too far.
- The Trump Adminstration asked Twitter to censor a small time pro-marijuana fan account calling it a potential threat to US infrstructure but Twitter said no
Please explain what Anti-Biden Information the Trump Administration censored to interfere in the 2020 election
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@bmdrocks21
Yeah, a 21st century Battle of Marathon- a superpower ten times their size invaded and the people didn't back down, didn't flee, they beat back invaders who had more of everything except democracy.They also had the entire first world on their side, giving them weapons and money while simultaneously sanctioning the invader. Said sanctioning countries had a combined economy well over ten times Russia’s. Small details glossed over there, but I’m sure Our Democracy™ helped!
- It is not gloss to say that "the Ukrainians didn't back down, didn't flee, they beat back invaders who had more of everything except democracy." Even as the Russian Army flees back to their borders leaving their unburied comrades behind they still have and always have had more more tanks, missiles, jets, helicopters, training, equipment, food than the army they are running from. Every strategian and historian expected Kyiv to fall in under a week and the fact that it didn't is due to the fact that an enormous portion of the civilian population just stayed in place, took the wrath and rape of Russia and persisted. Let's recall that this time last year, most of the first world was telling Biden that Russia was just posturing and would never destablize Europe with a full scale invasion. When Putin attacked, Ukrainians had very little of the weapons and money you speak of but they battled to a standstill an air force that should have taken control of Ukrainian skies in a matter of hours. They stopped two mobilized columns moving to surround Kyiv. They resisted in Mariopoul and Kherson and Kharkiv. None of those astonishing underdog victories had much to do with Western support and everything to do with the Ukrainian people as defined by the Revolution of Dignity coming together to finally throw off the Russian yoke or die trying.
- I think it is telling that you don't even consider Russia a first world country anymore. Under Putin's dictatorship, Russia has sank from a G8 nation to a G20 to a pariah outlaw state that isn't even considered first world economy anymore. Where would Russia be today if Putin had been limited to a one or two term president.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I've met a lot of people who think that the USA is one of the worst country's they've ever lived in, and that they would rather live in someplace like Germany or something along those lines.Why do they have the nerves to say things like that, when they are literally thriving off of the USA's riches.They complain about leaders being horrible on their social media platforms, yet they are blind to see that the fact they even have social media is a big privilege.If these types of people leave the country, then they won't be able to complain about the country that they are in like they do here, because the majority of other country's don't have free speech, and if they do its limited free speech.
- Indeed, it is the hallmark of many a great nation that her citizenry cannot stop whining for a moment to give thanks and acknowledge their great success.
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This version aint worth saving, the one where general elections give the illusion of choice while the real deals are done with ultra rich lobbies and what is essentially a uniparty.
- But you're ok with Russian because... there no illusion of choice or uniparty there?
You see where that kind of Democracy landed Ukraine. We will be soon to follow.
- Yeah, a 21st century Battle of Marathon- a superpower ten times their size invaded and the people didn't back down, didn't flee, they beat back invaders who had more of everything except democracy.
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The FBI and Secret Service estimate 1,200 people breached the Capitol that day. Of these, more than 900 (better than 75%) have been apprehended and charged with Federal crimes.
- 14% (126+) were active military or law enforcement
- 17% (154+) defendants have alleged ties to known extremist or fringe organizations, such as the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon; the Proud Boys, a far-right group known for street violence; the Oath Keepers, an anti-government group; and the Three Percenters, a part of the anti-government militia movement.
- 19 were state legislators, all Republicans, including the Pennsylvania GOP's candidate for Governor in 2022, Doug Mastriano.
So far, no link has been established between any terrorist and Antifa or BLM.
FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to Senate: “We have not to date seen any evidence of anarchist violent extremists or people subscribing to antifa in connection with the 6th, that doesn't mean we're not looking, and we'll continue to look, but at the moment we have not seen that.”
The bulk of the most serious charges are reserved for the White Supremacist and Right-WIng militia groups in communication with Roger Stone, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, and Michael Flynn.
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That's the first time I've ever seen Greyparrot suggest that Democracy was a value worth saving.
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@Public-Choice
-->@oromagiAttempted coups are not "claiming election integrity is important."There you go again claiming, without evidence, that January 6th was an attempted coup.Stop spreading disinformation and conspiracy theories about the events of the 2020 election already. Or at least buy a tinfoil hat.
- Eastman v Thompson, et. al
- "Dr. Eastman and President Trump launched a campaign to overturn a democratic election, an action unprecedented in American history. Their campaign was not confined to the ivory tower—it was a coup in search of a legal theory. The plan spurred violent attacks on the seat of our nation’s government, led to the deaths of several law enforcement officers, and deepened public distrust in our political process... If Dr. Eastman and President Trump's plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power, undermining American democracy and the Constitution. If the country does not commit to investigating and pursuing accountability for those responsible, the Court fears January 6 will repeat itself"
- Brookings Institute
- "[Trump] tried to delegitimize the election results by disseminating a series of far fetched and evidence-free claims of fraud. Meanwhile, with a ring of close confidants, Trump conceived and implemented unprecedented schemes to – in his own words – "overturn" the election outcome. Among the results of this "Big Lie" campaign were the terrible events of January 6, 2021 – an inflection point in what we now understand was nothing less than an attempted coup."
- MIchael Harvey, "Donald Trump in Historical Perspective"
- "As with the Beer Hall Putsch, a would-be leader tried to take advantage of an already scheduled event (in Hitler’s case, Kahr’s speech; in Trump’s, Congress’s tallying of the electoral votes) to create a dramatic moment with himself at the center of attention, calling for bold action to upend the political order. Unlike Hitler’s coup attempt, Trump already held top of office, so he was attempting to hold onto power, not seize it (the precise term for Trump’s intended action is a ‘self-coup’ or ‘autogolpe’). Thus, Trump was able to plan for the event well in advance, and with much greater control, including developing the legal arguments that could be used to justify rejecting the election’s results"
- Encyclopædia Britannica
- "Because its object was to prevent a legitimate president-elect from assuming office, the attack was widely regarded as an insurrection or attempted coup d’état. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and other law-enforcement agencies also considered it an act of domestic terrorism."
- Steve Bannon, Jan 4th:
- "Live from our nation's capital, you're in the field headquarters of one of the small divisions of the bloodless coup."
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-->@SirAnonymousNo it doesn't. It cited the AJC and explained what the other side stated:Fulton County representative Regina Waller said two poll workers were “relieved of their duties due to questionable social media posts,” according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Waller did not name names or provide details confirming that Kronen was the dismissed worker she was referencing.But even moreso, it is a screenshot of the post and not the post itself. It could be a fake for all we know.Moreover, who is to say she wouldn't take her post seriously? Wouldn't someone who claims election integrity is important be someone who would uphold the integrity of an election?
- Sorry, no. Attempted coups are not "claiming election integrity is important." Taking your two twenty something sons up to the Capitol to beat up some cops and lynch the Vice President because you're mad about who won is not "claiming election integrity is important"
- Being honest and forthright about who won the 2020 Election is how you show that election integrity is important.
- The twitter account you include has her celebrating the hammer attack on Paul Pelosi with dancing to "It's Hammertime"
- This individual certainly seems like an enthusiatic advocate for poltical violence (aka terrorism)
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@TWS1405
Trump has claimed he declassified everything many times on Trump Social and Tucker Carlson, etc. but his lawyers have never made this claim in court, not even a little bit. Trump's lawyers understand perfectly that while a President can declassify most things on command (nuclear secrets are definitely not on the list), he still must actually issue that command and an archivist has to actually change the classification of the document- which involves a lot of stamping and copying and blacking shit out- it is an official process that archivists will support on the fly if a President requires it. Trump knows that he didn't follow that process and without the official archivist process, his claims of declassification mean absolutely nothing because he can't prove anything. No judge following the law would recognize Trump's claim without the requisite paperwork making the declassification official so Trump does not bother making it in court. Also, taking classified documents out of a secure site without all the proper declassifying process is theft and espionage. Anybody other American except Trump would be in jail charged with espionage right now just based on the crimes Trump openly admits to committing. Naturally, Trump has no problem lying about it to Republicans because all Republicans are too worshipful or too chickenshit to challenge his lies.
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DeSantis is young and Trump is a real problem for his path to presdiency specifically because he build his base from Trump voters. Also, it is never a great look to start runnng for the next office the minute you win an election to office- as if you never planned to do the job you ran for. Right now, I'd be advising DeSantis to hold back, wait in the wings in case Trump is taken out with health or legal problems and he can show up as a hero. If Trump stays the course, then DeSantis will look all the better in four years. Trump has proven he can damage superior opponents (his new epithet is DeSanctimonious) and like SA says, even if you beat Trump in the primaries he is quite likely to keep running third party. Better to give Trump a wide berth but be ready to step in for a save.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Trump won't run without a realistic chance of winning. It why his third party attempts at running have always lasted like 2 weeks before he dropped out.
this aged well
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@Lemming
Why should alteration of the body, be different than alteration of the mind?
Well, if you didn't teach children anything and simply allowed them to try to figure out how to feed themselves, walk, etc. those children would die pretty quickly. Leaving that aspect to the natural state is extremely perlious
If you don't cut up a bably's dick, the natural state is fine- better even.
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Poland attack may trigger WW3.Dead Americans because Poland triggered the NATO protocol
Russia bombs Poland and Greyparrot blames Poland. exactly.
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I'd support outlawing circumcision for infants and children. If you want to cut your dick for god once you're an adult, that's fine.
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@TWS1405
I consider it a perfectly friendly act to warn a fellow user that the source he is relying on for his news is a Chinese cult and that he should not trust it. Not sure why you are experiencing all that emotion about it or why you wouldn't want the same kind of heads up but then, I am pretty sure I'm not interested.
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Do you guys support this?
- Putin is your boyfriend not ours. Do you support your favorite world leader dropping bombs on innocent democracies?
- If yes, why?
- If no, what is your plan for stopping your out-of-control boyfriend?
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@TWS1405
-->@oromagiCredible = subjective , basically, according to your answer/definition.
- False. None of these charges are credible because of individual belief. All have some manner of testimonial or evidentiary basis.
- Seems like you've given up on your claim that if Trump were guilty he would have been/should have been charged.
- You don't deny that Trump failed to respond to Congressional subpoena, do you? That is criminal contempt of Congress worth months of jail time, at least. You don't contradict or comment on yesterday's report that Trump Org accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue while making deals with foreign dictators.
there is an actual criminal family in the White House with direct ties to our greatest enemy, China
- Quite ignorant. Biden's micro-chip ban, Xi's rage over Taiwan put the lie to any such claim.
- This is also whataboutism. Are you trying to change the subject from Trump to Biden? Does pretending Biden is guilty allow you to pretend that makes Trump less guilty of these crimes? Let's recall that Xi has knowingly shared intelligence with Xi and other chinese spies at Mar-a-lago on multiple occassions. Let' also remember that Jared and Ivanka were denied top secret clearance because of their close friendship with a famous Chinese spy.
, and who facilitates acts of treason on a near daily basis.
- Mentally ill QAnon bullshit
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@Statichead
I believe that a MadMax-esque scenario would represent true equality and freedom.
- Mad Max's entire life is devoted to finding gas, finding food, running away from savages who will enslave him, kill him, rape him, or eat him. I suppose he is equal to all other animals in that sense but is that really freedom? What is desirable about a life lived in perpetual fear?
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It's exactly as it sounds. I know I tagged #anarchy, but I'm not actually an anarchist. I believe that as long as there is a government system controlling you or people near you, there is no such thing as "freedom." obviously, every human has freedom to do whatever they want, its about punishment. As I'm righting this, I realize that I am sort of wrong with my own opinion, but nonetheless, thoughts?
- I agree you are wrong with your own opinion
- Human rights are meaningless without some power to protect them and historically, that power only endures within some kind of democratic system.
- The notion of a government free society isn't just unprecedented, it really is unnatural. Pretty much all primates have male dominated heirarchies and humans are primates. We can either support a democractic system designed to place checks and balances on strongest male domination or we can revert to our natural state. I don't think "no government" is a viable option for human society and wherever government falls apart- warzones, mostly, human societies revert to murder, rape, and slavery with remarkable speed.
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@Statichead
I think theres no such thing as "transgenderism" and the "gay agenda." I think there are trans people (like myself) and gay people, and people in between. fight me.
- I'm a little vague on your claim
- You say you're trans so it not that you don't believe there are trans people. "ism" means philosophy of, so I think you are saying there's no particular philosophy of trans identity or living as trans. Fine.
- The "gay agenda "is a term introduced by sectors of the Christian religious right as a disparaging way to describe the advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalization of non-heterosexual sexual orientations and relationships"
- I don't think right-wingers are good at defining human rights for any group generally. Right-wing, by definition, de-prioritizes human rights.
- Transgenderism and gay agenda seem like conceptual apples and oranges.
also bonus round, for those of you who agree so far, I am actually Non-Binary. I think non-binary = trans. also fight me.
- I guess I don't know the terms well enough to understand the distinction you are making. Seems like all trans are non-binary by definition although some people non-binary people might be uninterested in identifying as male or female but need not feel any disatisfaction with the sex they were born to.
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@TWS1405
“Credible”? Define that term where the sexual misconduct is alleged. Same for the other so-called “credible” evidence!
- Credible means believable. The meaning of the word does not change when sexual misconduct is alleged.
If any of the allegations were factually accurate, he would have been charged and tried already just like others under similar charges.
- False. Just look at the OP. Public-Choice said, "Special investigations into political opponents? Indicting the opposition? This isn't democracy. This is tyranny. Biden is officially a dictator." He didn't say Trump is innocent. He said any investigation is tryrrany. Trump is announcing for President again tonight after the entire Republican Party spent the last week telling him not to precisely because running for President has worked so well before at keeping so many charges at bay. Just look at the Mueller report- "Trump definitely did these 11 felonies all meriting 20 years in jail but because he's president, let's ask the Republican Party if they want to convict." sums that report up nicely.
- Look at Mar-a-Lago, he hasn't been charged with anything even though just what he has admitted on Truth Social is enough to put anybody else in jail for decades. Even without any charges FOX news went on a rampage for weeks just because their was investigation under way
- The Jan 6th committee has certainly documented Trump knowledge and participation in the sedition to merit a very long jail time. Do you really think the Republican Party would say "go ahead a try him?" No.
- Right now, Trump lawyers are in courtrooms prosecuting 14 different suits/charges against Trump or Trump Org.
- The Stormy Daniels case revealed for a fact that Trump had a polticial investigative machine that pressured or paid off criminal investigation against Trump. When Alexander Acosta made the deal that kept Epstein from talking, from doing any jail time, from public announcement, Trump rewarded him a cabinet office. The girl who claimed Trump raped her at Epstein's house when she was 13 shut up right before the 2016 election and never returned, for example.
why don’t you spend all that time and energy you put into that post on an actual criminal, like Al Sharpton.
- I have always thought Sharpton should have faced incitement and obstruction of justice charges in the Brawley case. I watch MSNBC but I always turn that shit off when Sharpton comes on. I really hate that fucking liar.
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@TWS1405
- If you are just looking for crimes committed today: failure to a appear for a Congressional deposition
- If you are just looking for constitutional violations while in office revealed today:
The governments of six foreign countries, including China and Saudi Arabia, spent at least $750,000 at former President Donald Trump's Washington, D.C., hotel while he was in office, according to records obtained by House Democrats, renewing scrutiny over whether he profited from foreign governments during his one term in office.The records from Trump's longtime accounting firm, Mazars USA, were obtained by a subpoena the House Oversight and Reform Committee issued in 2019. Committee chairwoman Carolyn Maloney, a Democrat from New York, said Monday that the documents, which include hotel ledgers and receipts, "sharply call into question the extent to which President Trump was guided by his personal financial interest while in office rather than the best interests of the American people."In a letter to the acting archivist of the United States, Maloney wrote that the records the committee obtained show the governments of Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and China spent large sums of money at the Trump International Hotel in Washington during the same periods they were seeking to influence U.S. foreign policy.The Trump Organization, Mr. Trump's namesake business entity, owned the hotel at the time. After he won the presidency in November 2016, Trump turned control of the Trump Organization over to his two adult sons but did not divest from his business interests.In September 2017, for example, when Trump met with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak at the White House, Razak and his delegation spent at least $259,724 during an eight-day stay at Trump's hotel, including $10,000 per night to stay in the hotel's presidential suite, according to the letter.
- Not including 23 credible charges of sexual misconduct in varying degrees, multiple charges of corporate fraud, credible evidence of felony tax evasion, the Daily Kos documents 55 credible felony charges (several of which Trump has publicly confessed to) since Trump started his 2016 campaign:
1) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30116, 30118; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing (or accepting) an individual contribution in excess of the lawful limit (2015)
2) 18 U.S.C. § 371 Conspiring to commit campaign finance offenses and/or defraud the enforcement of campaign finance laws (2015-2017)
3) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30104, 30109; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing a campaign committee to fail to report an unlawful corporate contribution (2016 - AMI)
4) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30104, 30109; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing a campaign committee to fail to report an unlawful corporate contribution (2016 - Cohen)
5) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30116, 30118; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing (or accepting) an individual campaign contribution in excess of statutory limits (2016)
6) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30118; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing (or accepting) an unlawful corporate campaign contribution (2016)
7) 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 1519 Causing a campaign committee to fail to report an unlawful corporate contribution (2016-2017)
8) 18 U.S.C. § 1001 Knowingly omitting or failing to disclose a material fact (2017)
9) 5 U.S.C. app. § 104(a)(1)-(2) Knowingly and willfully failing to report required information (2017)
10) 18 U.S.C. § 1001; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2017)
11) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2017)
12) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - Flynn)
13) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - firing Comey)
14) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - Mueller)
15) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - attempted influencing Comey)
16) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - attempted firing Mueller)
17) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - 2018 - Sessions)
18) 18 U.S.C. § 1001 False statement (2017 - 2019)
19) 5 U.S.C. app. § 102(a)(3)) Criminal violation of the Ethics in Government Act (2017 - 2019)
20) 18 U.S.C. § 1361 Willful destruction of government property (2017 - 2021)
21) 18 U.S.C. § 2071 Willful destruction of government records (2017 - 2021)
22) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2018 - Manafort)
23) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2018 - McGahn)
24) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2018 - Manafort jury)
25) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2018 - 2019 - Cohen)
26) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2018 - 2019 - Stone)
27) 18 U.S.C. § 201 Bribery (2019)
28) 18 U.S.C. § 610 Coercion of political activity (2019)
29) 18 U.S.C. § 641 Misappropriation of federal funds (2019)
30) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1505, 1512 Obstruction of Justice (2019 -Ukraine)
31) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30121 Soliciting unlawful foreign campaign contributions (2019)
32) 18 U.S.C. § 595 Criminal violation of the Hatch Act (2020)
33) 8 U.S.C. § 241 Conspiracy against rights (2020 - 2021)
34) 52 U.S.C. § 20511(2)(B) Depriving state residents a fair and impartial election process (2020 - 2021)
35) Ga. Code Ann. § 16-10-20 Knowingly making a false statement (2020 - 2021)
36) Ga. Code Ann. § 16-10-93 Influencing government officials to withhold or alter a record (2020 - 2021)
37) GaCodeAnn.§16-4-7 (soliciting at least one of GaCodeAnn.§§16-10-1, 16-10-20, 16-10-71, 16-10-8, 16-9-1(b), 16-9-93(b), 16-9-93(c)) Criminal solicitation of a felony (false statements and writings, false official certificates, false swearing, and/or computer trespass) (2020-1)
38) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-566 Interfering with primaries and elections (2020 - 2021)
39) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-603 Conspiracy to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021)
40) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021)
41) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021)
42) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021 - Fake electors)
43) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021 - fraudulent results)
44) 18 U.S.C. § 1512 Obstruction of an Official Proceeding (2020 - 2021)
45) 18 U.S.C. § 371 Conspiracy to defraud (2020 - 2021)
46) 18 U.S.C. § 372 Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties (2020 - 2021)
47) 18 U.S.C. § 595 Interference in Election by Employees of Federal or State Governments (2020 - 2021)
48) 18 U.S.C. § 610 Coercion of political activity (2020 - 2021)
49) 18 U.S.C.§ 2384 Seditious conspiracy (2020 - 2021)
50) Ga. Code Ann. § 16-14-1 et. seq Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) violation (2020 - 2021)
51) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-597 Intentional interference with the performance of election duties (2021)
52) 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) Unauthorized possession of national defense information (2021 - 2022)
53) 18 U.S.C. § 1519 Obstruction of justice (2021 - 2022)
54) 18 U.S.C. § 2071 Concealment, removal, or destruction of government records (2021 - 2022)
55) 18 U.S.C. § 1343 Wire fraud (2021-2022)
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- Not sure what you are refuting here or how it is relevant to your OP
But let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" raise dead people to vote (and win) elections, and allow candidates who are controlled by the mob to run for office.
- I think there was some evidence for this in the 1960 presidential election in Chicago. If you have to reach back 62 years to whatabout election fraud, then let's agree the Democrats have shown marked improvement since.
And let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" magically added absentee 400,000 ballots in Pennsylvania
- no idea what you're talking about
the night of the election and elected hyper-partison wack jobs who have known ties to the WEF's young global leaders to head up their election government departments.
- Wikipedia: The group of Young Global Leaders consists of 800 people chosen by the World Economic Forum organizers as being representative of contemporary leadership, "coming from all regions of the world and representing all stakeholders in society", according to the organization. After five years of participation they are considered alumni.
- Sounds like a perfectly acceptable organiazation to have "known ties" to.
- Is this another one of your QAnon conspiracy theories?
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Let's remember that when MAGA had the opportunity to show us how they'd run a ballot counting during the Maricopa County Audit last year, they hired a bunch of hyper-partisan whack jobs who took 6 month and $9 million of taxpayer expense to confirm what the County managed in 8 days for for a few hundred thousand. I'm not sure these are they guys to be telling us how the process can be improved. They also sexually harrassed a bunch of girls, illegally took a bunch of ballots to Montana without explanation, and did $2.8 million worth of damage to voting equipment. That's how MAGA would improve the counting process.
I also don't remember any of these guy complaining about a 6 month recount last year.
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Let's imagine that Hitler and the Nazis are in power. Now let's imagine a serious political rival emerges. How would the organizations Hitler control respond to that, the media the scientists the politicians in office. What type of image and manufactured evidence would they paint this political opponent with
- For students of history, no imagination is required. During the 3-day purge now remembered as the NIght of the Long Knives, Hitler assasinated the ex-Chancellor, Eric Rohm and about 1000 others, mostly leaders representing the original NAZI party.
- Trump is not an emerging political rival but a twice defeated poltical has-been with the power to hold the Republican party hostage but little influence outside of the GOP. Democrats hate Trump but they don't want to supress him- Trump has proved himself an existential threat to the GOP. Poltically, Democrats would sooner run against Trump in 2024 than any other GOP candidate.
- Like Trump, Hitler attempted an incompetent coup and failed. The Weimar Republic’s mistake was not prosecuting Hitler- their mistake was not executing Hitler for treason.
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I often just use the google search line to do simple equations but I also use the iPhone calculator more often than daily.
For tests in many different contexts, people needs to be able to use a calculator but can't be permitted access to the internet.
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- Are there any facts between "CNN says Justice Department officials have discussed " and "Biden to appoint" or is all that in-between just happening in your imagination?
- So....that's a no, then. No facts support your claim between "A said B said C"and "the Chief Executive has so ordered." Also known as pure fantasy.
I thought CNN was a factual news outlet for you.
- Nope. As I frequently state on this site, I gave up on CNN when they ran the death of Michael Jackson as a wall-to-wall breaking news story for 12 straight weeks.
- Also. their website uses an extremely creepy amount of CPU. What the fuck are all those thread up to?
Is it a partisan rag now that it is revealing the totalitarianism of the Biden Administration?
- Only a QAnon occultist would consider the Biden Adminstration totalitarian.
This only happens in countries like Venezuela. Not in Republics and Democracies.
- False. Nixon would have been correctly, democratically prosecuted if Ford had not pardoned him.
- France has convicted two ex-Presidents of crimes
- Spain sentenced one ex-President to 9 years in jail
- Korea sentenced one ex-President to 15 years in jail
- Italy and Taiwan have convicted former chief executives
- There's many more uundemocratically convicted and jailed then democratically but any healthy democracy has to be willing to say that no person is above the law and even ex-presidents should be tried and convicted when they commit crimes.
- Countries like Venezuala are more often guilty of protecting high ranking officials from criminal conviction.
- Trump has publicly confessed to a number of felonies and has publicly bragged that American Democracy is not courageous enough to convict him for these.
As Trump never ever would, Biden has distanced himself from investigations into Trump. When the National Archives asked Biden how to proceed with Trump's theft of America's top secrets, Biden told them to do as they saw fit. Merrick Garland made a point of keeping the White House in the dark about the Mar-a-Lago raid and Biden applauded him for it (Trump would have fired any such AG on the spot). By any measure, Biden is making a point of staying out of it. If there's a special prosecutor, it will be because the Justice Dept asked for it, not because the President did (as Trump did unconstitutionally with John Durham).
You are claiming oppression because Trump tells you to claim oppression. When you stop following dear leader's commands you will discover that rationally, democratically, prosecuting Trump is good for democracy, even if it is bad optics to the FOX News followers.
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-->@oromagiI'm asking about what actions are considered "tolerant" or "intolerant." I'm not talking about dictionary definitions (I probably should've clarified that more).
- Dictionaries define the correct usage of words. You say "From person to person, [words] seem to mean something different every time" but that's only true of people who fail to rely on dictionaries. For people who rely on dictionaries, words mean roughly the same thing every time- a distinct advantage in conversation.
A good measuring stick would be how one answers the question, "What is the worst consequence(s) you can give to someone for their words without crossing ethical or moral boundaries?"
- Death. Some words are treason or an imminent threat. If you catch someone giving away your army's position to the enemy, you kill them for that speech. Most of what Hitler or Stalin or Osama bin Laden did was just talk.
I do not believe in banning people from social media for stating falsehoods ; I am only okay with it when they do things like doxx people, stalk their profiles to slam them on posts made years ago, or knowingly and intentionally attempt to incite people against them.
- Free speech is a limitation on government, not priviate business. If government were running social media then I would agree with you but it is not. Business has the right and obligation to set a far higher standard of conduct then government. Good government must tolerate all kinds of crap that no responsible businessperson should.
As for defamation, there needs to be proven falsity and maliciousness or extremely high-level negligence, although falcity doesn't need to be proven if the issue is private enough; also, there should be no prison time and the worst possible fine should never make them so poor they can't care for their basic needs without a homeless shelter.
- This is generally the present case in the US. Fewer than half the states even have a defamation law on the books.
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The paradox of tolerance states that "if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance."
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@Mharman
Wikipedia:
Toleration is "the allowing, permitting, or acceptance of an action, idea, object, or person which one dislikes or disagrees with. Political scientist Andrew R. Murphy explains that "We can improve our understanding by defining "toleration" as a set of social or political practices and "tolerance" as a set of attitudes." Random House Dictionary defines tolerance as "a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, beliefs, practices, racial or ethnic origins, etc., differ from one's own"
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sorry to provoke you, dimwit. Forgot what I was talking to, I guess.
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So you no like it becsuse it doesnt seem modern to you?
- I am saying Communism is irrelevant
Nobody suggested this in this thread.
- but a core principle of Communism. Not that you'd know that.
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which is why I say she could end up saving the House for dems
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Tellingly, you fail to describe the nature of government.
The nature of government specified by the theory of Communism is the village council. Village elders would make the decisions about what to produce and how to staff production. To my mind, communism existed for a long time as a natural dynamic but has never been tested as some kind of constitutional mandate on a national scale. SInce the village is no longer the fundamental governmental element of modern society and the idea of villages choosing one kind of product to specialize in or factory to build is centuries out of date- let's agree that Communism is an old-fashioned, generally untested theory with little relevance to modern Western democracies.
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There are people who argue that in order to ensure true tolerance, one cannot be tolterant of the intolerance. An example of this is when people claim that Nazis should not get tolerated because they are intolerant of Jews.
- I don't think anybody makes a pro-intolerance argument against groups of people. Some types of speech are less tolerated or not tolerated at all depending on the states. I think it was Brandenberg v. Ohio that fenced those limits roughly at incitment, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child porn, fighting words, and threats. Almost everybody agrees that Nazis must be tolerated. Nazi speech is more frequently limited than most other speech because Nazi speech is so agressive and persistent in its pursuit of incitment, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child porn, fighting words, and threats.
However, how far does this argument go? Like if I were to say, “Being Jewish should be illegal”, people say that’s hate speech that should be banned. If I were to say, “Being polygamous should be illegal.” that is also being intolerant, but it’s an intolerance that 83% of the US agrees with.
- I think that intolerance has shifted far faster than you realize.
- In 2022, Gallup has support for plural marriage up to 23%.
- The last actual prosecution I can find was 2001 and child rape was also involved there.
- Utah changed bigamy from a felony to a misdemeanor in 2020. Now the worst that can happen is a $750 fine but never jail time.
- When Conservatives found out that Ashli Babbitt was living in a polygamous relationship, there was no hue and cry- hardly anybody batted an eye
- I think the era of big government regualtion of sex and sexuality is rapidly coming to a close.
So what separates, “Ban Jews.” from “Ban polygamous people.”?
incitment, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child porn, fighting words, and threats
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Wow. ....and another GOP must win House seat in Oregon flipped Dem tonight. The predicted GOP margin in the House has crashed from 8 seats to two seat to one seat tonight. If Boebert loses, it is jump ball. What are the odds that control of the house will come down to the ranked choice in Alaska? Could Sarah Palin actually end up saving the House for Dems?
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- You have already literally defined all news stories ever written as fake news:
Correct
- Fanatical insane hyperbole. An article that reports the time and duration of the next lunar eclipse is not fake news, is it?
Isn't any rational definiton in the face of such mad extremity just pearls before swine?I just saw a study that showed 75% of Americans would prefer a news source that was truly unbiased if anyone ever created one.
- I think you are thinking of this 2018 Pew Poll
- The statement read "It is never acceptable for a news organization to favor one political party over others when reporting the news."
- 75% agreed worldwide, 78% of Americans agreed.
- Of course, that's obviously just anonymous folks taking what sounds like a principled stance. If you asked right after this "Should news organizations endorse the best candidate for office without regard to political party?" The same 75% would probably say yes even though that contradicts their principled stand against favoring one political party over others.
- The upshot being that most Americans think they are good judge of bias in the same way that the majority of Americans rate themselves as above average in intelligence and driving skills.
This could be the public fooling themselves sure. Perhaps they are unaware that bias is unavoidable and the effort to pursue an unbiased position could in fact make a news source less accurate potentially, but perhaps they really would prefer news that is not sensationalism, that just gives dry facts and avoids cherry picking stories.
- We know for a fact that news consumers do not prefer dry facts. Americans tuned in for ten days of live coverage of the Queen's funeral although that news could not have been more predictable or less impactful to the average American. The dry fact of the Queen's death could have been reported in a couple of sentences for US News consumers who genuinely prefered dry facts. The Amber Heard Trial got better ratings than every polticial debate added together. If Americans really wanted dry facts prioritized according to the liklihood to impact their daily lives, the top 5 stories should have been climate change studies almost every day for the past 20 years.
A news source that is months behind the regular news just so they can avoid an emotional reaction in writing articles.
- In large part, that is precisely the innovation that Wikipedia brings to the table.
To me this indicates 75% of the population would likely agree of my definition of fake news.
- That all news is fake news? No. 3 out of 4 Americans don't agree with you on that.
WIkipedia defines FAKE NEWS as "false or misleading information presented as news. Fake news often has the aim of damaging the reputation of a person or entity, or making money through advertising revenue."
Public-choice recently turned me on to a fact checking site that does a pretty good job of laying out their criteria. I like the fact that they rate sources on a 1-100 scale but the very best sources only score in the low 80s.
Does not repeatedly publish false content: (22 Points.)
Gathers and presents information responsibly: (18 Points)
Regularly corrects or clarifies errors: (12.5 Points)
Handles the difference between news and opinion responsibly: (12.5 Points)
Avoids deceptive headlines: (10 Points)
Website discloses ownership and financing: (7.5 Points)
Clearly labels advertising: (7.5 Points)
Reveals who’s in charge, including possible conflicts of interest: (5 Points)
The site provides the names of content creators, along with either contact or biographical information: (5 Points)
I think I would add to this some kind of democratic testing. Frequently published letters to the editor that call on reporters and editors to defend their articles.
I think I would also add context and perspective- which is really where Wikipedia shines. It is incredibly useful to follow up the who,what,when,where,why,how with the history impacting this story, and then the follow up. What really happened later on? Was their a trial and hearing a finding of facts? Were people found guilty, innocent? Was this story part of a pattern or one of a kind? There is a lot of great investigative journalism laying down these kinds of follow-ups but hardly anybody ever reads them. The nice thing about Wikipedia is that those same journalist often take the time to summarize that context and perspective for rapid, ad-free, public consumption.
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