oromagi

Yes, Twitter let the Government take control of their website,

as soon as the Government itself is censoring certain information from the public, then it breaks the First Amendment.

Twitter could censor all they want, and it would be fine,

but as soon as the Government gets involved, then it becomes a violation of the constitution. 

Elon Musk has released the Twitter Files, in order to show everyone that there is corruption in our government, controlling the media for the greater good of the left. 

Do you really think it is a coincidence, that all of the leftist tweets were not censored, but all of those censored tweets, was from the right?

And I'm not talking about Trump, or Giuliani's take on it or what they had to do with it. Stop trying to bring it off topic. 

I am simply saying that Elon has found incriminating evidence, against Hunter Biden, and the Government.

Those are the facts

You keep spouting out ALL OF THESE CLAIMS WITH NO EVIDENCE. 

So, you can say all you want, but without evidence your words mean nothing.

• You keep lying over and over again without explaining what is motivating you to spread these lies.
  

• These are all well known facts.  All you need is education to know this is true.  If you need me to educate you, just let me know.
  

• These are all well known facts.  All you need is education to know this is true.  If you need me to educate you, just let me know.
  

• These are all well known facts.  All you need is education to know this is true.  If you need me to educate you, just let me know.
  

• Why don't you believe Matt Taibbi when he tells you that you are lying?  Why does your faith in a false belief persist when your own sources tell you that you are wrong?

-->@YouFound_Lxam

Did Giuliani also get his hair dye from Russia?

• Even Russian hair dye oxidizes with peroxide so it wouldn't run like that unless Giuliani actually interrupted his dye session to hold the presser.
  
• Most makeup experts agree that it looks like Giuliani used a little mascara on his sideburns to keep an old dye job from looking so obvious.
  

No, I will not believe you unless you have some shred of evidence to support what you just said.

Twitter is not a public website.

Yes, it is......I could download it right now, as could you.

Let's keep in mind that the NY Post story in question was invented by the President of the United States as poltical propaganda and smear against his opponent. 

Well, I mean that may be what you think happened, but I don't see any proof.

 It wasn't just the FBI and the CIA who said the story was obviously Russian bullshit- all professional everywhere were calling it obvious bullshit.

So, when Trump becomes president, everyone assumes it's the Russians, but when we have actual proof, then it's not the Russians?

 Yes there is a real laptop lost in Las Vegas in 2017 with a future President's fucked up son doing a bunch of sex and drugs.  Yes, Hunter took some millions of dollars from Ukrainian and Chinese interests in exchange for introductions, lobbying, the appearance of supporting Democrats.  That is quite corrupt but it is not illegal and nobody has abused those kinds of family advantages more aggressively than Trump's family and Bush's family so Republicans are fat fucking hypocrites for wanting to beat their chests on that subject.  

.......I mean I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that stuff is illegal.

Twitter shouldn't be forced to tell obvious untruths

So, we agree.

What do you want for Christmas

• Patent rights on teleportation

The Congress/Government is prohibiting certain information, on a public website to be censored, then that violates the first amendment.

• Not true.  You clearly know your claim is not true or you would have presented some evidence by now. 
  
• Twitter is not a public website. Twitter is the private property of one mentally ill immigrant named Elon Musk.  He could unplug the whole thing tomorrow and the government (we the people) couldn't do a damn thing about it.
  
• Let's keep in mind that the NY Post story in question was invented by the President of the United States as poltical propaganda and smear against his opponent.  Everybody knew then and still knows now that the laptop in question was tampered with by Biden's poltical enemies and therefore unusable as a source of evidence, as well as almost certainly the same laptop Russian Intellligence was selling for $5 million in 2018. The story was such an obvious falsehood that the NY Post reporter quit his job rather than allow his name to be associated with that story.  The Wall St. Journal and FOX News editors were calling the story an obvious falsehood weeks before the NY Post said fuck it and ran those lies for their dear leader in violation of their professional responsibilities.  It wasn't just the FBI and the CIA who said the story was obviously Russian bullshit- all professional everywhere were calling it obvious bullshit.  Read the documents for yourself:  the ethics board at Twitter was not worried about government pressure to supress the story.  The government was not applying one ounce of pressure because the story was already wide open.  No single detail of the NY Post story was not entirely public before Twitter considered suprressing the story.  The ethics board was worried about promoting obviously false, probably foreign propaganda obviously manufacture by and for the Trump campaign/administration/presidency.  If Twitter let the story run free, were they betraying the integrity of US elections?  Were they letting Trump get away with obvious tricks.  For a couple of days, the ethics board decided not to propagate the President's fake news but then CEO Jack Dorsey overrode that decision and decided they should just let Twitter talk about whatever they wanted, even if it did harm American election integrity.    
  
• That's all that went down.  No fucking consiracy.  The only people who did anything in secret were Giuliani and Trump and their operatives.  Yes there is a real laptop lost in Las Vegas in 2017 with a future President's fucked up son doing a bunch of sex and drugs.  Yes, Hunter took some millions of dollars from Ukrainian and Chinese interests in exchange for introductions, lobbying, the appearance of supporting Democrats.  That is quite corrupt but it is not illegal and nobody has abused those kinds of family advantages more aggressively than Trump's family and Bush's family so Republicans are fat fucking hypocrites for wanting to beat their chests on that subject.  
  
• Giuliani almost certainly bought Hunter's laptop in Kyiv in early 2018 for $5 million dollars.  Either Guiliani or the Russians added about 80% of the contents  found on the laptop after Hunter's last possession and made copies of the whole drive over and over and over to wipe out timestamps and authorship.  Giuliani gave the hard drive to FBI in Dec 2018 but the FBI did not fall for the obviously faked poltiical propoganda so Giuliani invented that totally unbelievable story about Biden dropping off 3 laptops with gigabytes of incriminating shit in Delaware and never coming back for them.  Totally unbelievable.  The Mac repair guy had a prior relationship with Giuliani and was obviously paid well for paying the story (he shut down his business and retired to Colorado a few weeks later).  
  
• Twitter shouldn't be forced to tell obvious untruths just because the Republican Party is addicted to crazy QAnon conspiracy stories.  That is the opposite of censorship- that is standing up for the truth when powerful forces are pressuring you to give credibility to  lies.  That's all this story is.  Don't let Elon Musk make a buck off you by pretending that he's revealing something new or brave or interesting because if you take a breath and look at the facts, it is obvious that he ain't got jack shit- he's just trying to save a platform he overpaid for while scaring off most of the good advertisers.
  

-->@oromagi

Watch.

• why not try thinking through your own opinion?

->@oromagi

You keep making these claims that it never happened, yet you have yet to show me a shred of evidence that it hasn't happened.

Try to find evidence about this topic, and you will see that you will find loads of information, on what I just told you.

The former senior counsel who decided to axe the NY Post story was a military intelligence operative whose briefings literally determined what the FBI and CIA did:

https://archive.vn/2CCw9#selection-1251.680-1251.683

Twitter is and always has been a DoD and NATO propaganda platform.  The Intelligence Community invented social media for information collection activities. Now they are blatantly using it for propaganda purposes:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-media-is-a-tool-of-the-cia-seriously/

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/more-governments-ever-are-using-social-media-push-propaganda-report-n1076301

and tells twitter what to sensor and what to keep. That is the government, censoring free speech, which is a DIRECT violation, of our first amendment rights.

• agreed, which is why it is a good thing that there is zero evidence that this ever happened even once.  Taibbi, Tucker, Musk do not back you up when make this claim.  
  
• Why do you keep repeating this lie?

There is no new information regarding the laptop story.  No information has been leaked by anybody that wasn't 100% in the open two years ago.

Elon Musk literally just found out that the same Lawer that tried to get trump impeached, has been working as a filter system in twitter for all the things that the biased government didn't want out in the media.

Just happened a couple of days ago.

• False.  Elon Musk claims that he fired Jim Baker for vetting the documents release.  SInce it looks like Musk is about to get slammed with a bunch of invasion of privacy lawsuit for mass releasing huge amounts of employee daily interactions without redacting the personal shit or getting employees permission, getting a lawyer to vet those docs sure sounds like it would have been a good idea.  (I don't claims that's what Baker was doing- I don't what he was doing or whether Musk's claims have any accuracy.)
  
• In any case, Jim Baker is famously, prominently, an ultra-conservative Republican who is definitely not looking to help the Biden family out and any suggestion by you to that effect is totally made up bullshit.  
  
• JIm Baker was not "the same Lawer [sic] that tired to get trump [sic] impeached."  JIm Baker was Chief Counsel for the FBI from 2014 to 2018 and in that capacity was part the investigation into the hundreds of secret meetings Trump's people had with Russian spies before the election and lied about so vigorously ever since.  That investigation was turned over to Mueller.
  
• Trump was impeached the first time for a recorded phone conversation with Ukrainian President  Zelenksy where he demanded that Zelensky manufacture false evidence about Hunter Biden in exchange for $400 million worth of weapons for repelling the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
  
• Trump was impeached the second time for incitement of insurrection against the US Government.
  
• Jim Baker had left the FBI before the First Impeachment so this is your THIRD LIE.  Why did you tell this lie?  What did you hope to gain?
  
• Your FOURTH LIE is "[JIm Baker] has been working as a filter system in twitter for all the things that the biased government didn't want out in the media.
  
• Nobody has made this claim- not Musk or Taibbi, certainly, because they both know that Baker is an ultra-conservative Republican.
  
• In fact, you directly contradict Taibbi's statement:  "that he has seen no evidence that there was government involvement in Twitter’s move to block the New York Post story."
  
• Who do you claim is lying here, you or your primary source?
  
• Why did you tell this lie?  What did you hope to gain?
  
• Musk released thousands of documents last Friday that only verify shit we've already known for years:
  
• That there was much internal discussion about whether to  allow the laptop story since it was obviously fake news.
  
• Twitter mgmt. eventually decided to filter iyt  the story but CEO Dorsey overrode that decsion days later.  
  
• All of this was openly reported at the time.
  
• Twitter honored multiple requests by both the Trump and Biden campaigns to delete certain tweets for various reasons.  Although Trump was President at the time, there is no suggestion that he used his power of office to force Twitter's editorial decision.
  
• Let me state again:
  
• There is no new information regarding the laptop story.  No information has been leaked by anybody that wasn't 100% in the open two years ago.
  
• Please state anything that you think has been newly revealed.  
  
• As Wikipedia describes it, "Taibbi's Twitter thread largely confirmed what was already known and did not contain any significant new revelations"
  
• You've told at least four pretty big whoppers here that even Tucker Carlson won't back you on....why?
  

Taibbi wrote that he has seen no evidence that there was government involvement in Twitter’s move to block the New York Post story.

-->@Greyparrot

New Jersey mother being told she is being “monitored” by local law enforcement at the behest of military personnel who didn’t like her social media posts questioning sexualisation of children in school.

He isn't calling for the suspending of the US Constitution, he is saying, the things that are going on right now, is against the constitution.

• That is, the degree of violence employed by Trump's followers was unimportant to Trump- the death of Pelosi and Pence was just as acceptable to Trump's plan as no violence at all.  What Trump needed was to deligitimize the confirmation of the electoral college sufficient to demand a one-state one-vote election count which Trump expected to win.  Trump didn't care if there was a riot, just so long as the decision of the American people was reversed.
  

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

Trump, who announced last month that he is running again for president, made the claim over the weekend on his Truth Social media platform.

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”

Incoming House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries on Sunday described Trump’s statement as strange and extreme and said Republicans will have to make a choice whether to continue embracing Trump’s anti-democratic views.

“Republicans are going to have to work out their issues with the former president and decide whether they’re going to break from him and return to some semblance of reasonableness or continue to lean in to the extremism, not just of Trump, but Trumpism,” Jeffries said.

Trump, who is the first to be impeached twice and whose term ended with his supporters violently storming the Capitol in a deadly bid to halt the peaceful transition of power on Jan. 6, 2021, faces a escalating criminal investigations, including several that could lead to indictments. They include the probe into classified documents seized by the FBI from Mar-a-Lago, and ongoing state and federal inquiries related to efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Asked about Trump’s comments Sunday, Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said he “vehemently” disagrees and “absolutely” condemns the remarks, saying they should be a factor as Republicans decide who should lead their party in 2024.

“There is a political process that has to go forward before anybody is a frontrunner or anybody is even the candidate for the party,” he said. “I believe that people certainly are going to take into consideration a statement like this as they evaluate a candidate.”

Rep.-elect Mike Lawler, R-New York, also objected to the remarks, saying it was time to stop focusing on the “grievances of prior elections.”

“The Constitution is set for a reason, to protect the rights of every American,” Lawler said. “I think the former president would be well-advised to focus on the future, if he is going to run for president again.”

Trump’s comments came after Twitter’s new owner, Elon Musk, said he would reveal how Twitter engaged in “free speech suppression” leading up to the 2020 election. But files released Friday, which focused on the tech company’s confused response to a story about Biden’s son Hunter, do not show Democrats trying to limit the story.

The White House on Saturday assailed Trump, saying: “You cannot only love America when you win.”

“The American Constitution is a sacrosanct document that for over 200 years has guaranteed that freedom and the rule of law prevail in our great country,” spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement. “Attacking the Constitution and all it stands for is anathema to the soul of our nation.”

modern Swede, Canadian, New Zealander live today closer to serfs then, than lords used to, in terms of government control & restriction. The state, as the master, dictates & regulates virtually every aspect of your life, your food, your banking, your transactions, your education... & can at whim confiscate your property, abduct your children, confine you...etc if you don't comply.

• Objectively false. 
  
• LIFE- Let's say you are born poor farmer in any of these countries today and you would like to be a cook or a truck driver.  That is a totally reasonable and common practice in these countries.  That was not true in 12 Century Europe- if you were born a poor farmer you would die a poor farmer in 999 cases out of every 1000.
  
• BANKING- Banking, moneylending, and charging interest were considered sins under Catholic rule.  Banking was run almost exclusively by Jews for an almost exclusively aristocratic, international set.  The average serf never saw much coinage and never experienced a bank transaction.  By contrast, most Western citizens have a bank account today.
  
• The price for most transactions were set by the autocrat and only rarely changed during one's lifetime.   Most ordinary goods and services were produced very locally and cost the same whether the quality was excellent or poor.  By contrast, the price for most goods and services today are set by the seller and only a small range of goods and services are controlled by the state.
  
• EDUCATION- most education for the lower classes was considered a sin.  Many medival states outlawed literacy and maths for serf and the working classes- such functions were used as instruments of control.  Almost every Westerner has access to a taxpayer-funded education up to adulthood and most states offer a lot of options for continuing and extending education.  A diverse and agile education system is seen to today as an essential part of any state's capacity to compete.
  
• DUE PROCESS/HABEAS CORPUS- The first due process laws in the west came into being in the 13th century and those rights were at first extended only to barons.  Every citizen of any modern Western democracy enjoys some right to due process, legal counsel and representation, capacity to challenge witnesses and testimony, right of appeal, etc.

-->@oromagi

So MAGA, Putin, and Zelensky all work for the World Economic Forum

Idk who MAGA is, but if you mean Trump I don't see any strong evidence he is on board.

• The WEF claims they infiltrate governments to take over the world?  That is quite bold of them.

The 'modern Western Liberal government' is in the abstract. You can infer therefrom the countries which concretely represent that description.  The funny bit here is that you live today closer to slaves then, than free men used to. Your government is in your life business almost as much as the master was in the life business of his slave back then.

You criticize Hitler for killing supposedly his own people (the Jews), but guess what? He didn't consider them his own people, as that designation was accorded to the Aryans. Similarly, you consider your people those who are national Americans, & those who aren't not your people, thus no rights may be granted to them; & thus sanctity of their life & wealth null & without consequence. The 30 million people who lost their life (& the many more who lost their wealth & their homes) because of your country, have zero protection & zero legal recourse accorded to them by your government, since these are non-national. – There is effectively no difference between your government & Nazis, at least in respect to human rights. 

I am sure you're gunna keep pretending to not understand, lemme ask you straight. There is currently zero stipulation in US Law to protect non-Americans, answer me this: should US Law protect non-Americans?

- Read that one more time. You can use your glasses if you need to.

" Literally no government in Human History has ever even come close to the level of control & reach that the modern Western Liberal government has."

 Red herring. Neither relate to government control.

• I see but there's no denying that Aushwitz or the Fugitive Slave Acts were govenmnent projects. 
  
• You're saying that Richard I can't be called an autocrat for laying waste to the English treasury and men of fighting age because he only recognized himself as the sole inheritor of any natural rights as king
  
• You're saying that so long as Israel refuses to acknowledge Palestinians as citizens, that government need not respect any Palestinian human rights.

Literally no government in Human History has ever even come close to the level of control & reach that the modern Western Liberal government has.

• What is the name of "the Modern Western Liberal Government" of which you speak.  Which state does it govern?
  
• Say you are Jew in a 1944 Nazi deathcamp or a black man on a Missisippi Plantation in 1855.  Would you call that greater government control or less government control than being Jewish or Black in say, 21st America?

- Catholic "autocracy" could only dream of achieving the level of government control & subjugation that the current West has.

• If not trolling, then profoundly ignorant.  Either way, such opinion is easily proved wrong and just as easily ignored.

• US Army
  
• Yale Law
  
• Ron Paul's staff
  
• Friend and frequent dinner guest of Rand Paul
  
• Clerked for Republican justicies
  
• Worked at Republican think tanks
  
• Founded Oathkeepers as an explicit reaction to a black man elected president
  

-->@oromagi

My point was in correcting your error. Obviously. 

• That assumes that "chucking in the mail" was an assertion that Carlson does his own mailing rather than a criticism of Carlson's stupid decision to have allegedly damning evidence sent snail mail without a digital copy.  It's 2020, take a picture and text it.  (In other words, nobody believed it was real to begin with).
  

I merely said you didn’t watch the entirety of the clip. 

-->@oromagi

Tucker Carlson: "I lost the super secret totally authentic totally damning documents that would have shown that Hunter was totally guilty.  Hunter must have took 'em!"

so...Tucker didn't make copies before chucking them in them mail? 

You clearly didn't watch the entirety of the clip.

Tucker didn't send the documents. Try again.

Darwin has a special award for you allowing a vaxxed nurse to breathe all over you.

From this bullshit:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a240_d18e.pdf

While I really don't care about the laptop part of the lawsuit,

the Covid part actually fucked over millions of Americans directly with the censorship of science that would have most certainly not allowed the government to impose vaccine mandates with the unfounded claim that it would lower the chance of contracting and carrying Covid as claimed in the 2021 SCOTUS case.

It never ceases to amaze me that progressives believe the way to progress society is through authoritative censorship.

• but Greyparrot hasn't even tried to establish some example of censorship here.
  
• OP was pure evil fake news: "vaccines killed hundreds of thousands, the entire medical community keeps it secret."
  
• GP hasn't even tried to defend (or apologize for) this mentally disturbed lie.
  
• Then GP prints a NY Post story from Oct saying Fauci will testify.  Fauci did testify last week without making much news.
  
• Then GP prints a story from last summer from a microbiologist who disagrees with the Federal definition of "gain-of-function"
  
• That's it....Now GP talks about censoreship as if he has provided some example of government censorship but he hasn't.
  
• If there's some thesis beyond shotgunning some quite silly lies into the air, I can't tell what.

but that is still just a theory.

One theory that was not censored, yet promoted by bad actors.

That's the entire point of what I am saying, and you purposely ignore.

There should be no reason to have to drag Fauci to court to confirm what other scientists were censored for saying.

Other than that Fauci is a bad actor representing even worse actors.

Many different betacoronaviruses demonstrate furin cleavage sites.

Not this particular one. The one patented by Moderna.

• Viruses are not patented.  I think you are deeply confused.

The biggest objection I have to the natural origin hypothesis is the lack of an intermediate animal with an intermediate form of COVID. It appears the jump is straight from bats to humans, with 3% part of that jump unaccounted for in terms of virus evolution.

• Such an objection is unfounded.  Science has not established that COVID originates in bats.  Bats are considered likely because so many bats around Wuhan have so many different coronavirus but that is still just a theory.  An intermediate animal is also only theory based on mutation rates.  No intermediate species in necessary.  Humans around Wuhan press deeper into bat habitats daily and come in daily direct contact with many different bat species.
  
• The WHO summarizes relative liklihood of origin theories as:
  
• direct zoonotic transmission to humans (spillover), assessed as "possible to likely"
  
• introduction through an intermediate host followed by a spillover, assessed as "likely to very likely"
  
• introduction through the (cold) food chain, assessed as "possible"
  
• introduction through a laboratory incident, assessed as "extremely unlikely"
  
• It is entirely hypocritical to theorize based on animal sampling while also condemning EcoHealth's surveys of very similar samples.  If Americans think that Americans should have this raw data without Chinese gatekeeping then Americans can't condemn EcoHealth's cooperation with the Wuhan lab by falsely labeling it  "gain-of-function" research.  This kind of survey is exactly what EcoHealth was paying Wuhan for and EcoHealth should continue do so unimcumbered by Senator Paul's vicious falsehoods.
  

There were sick animals from the wet market, all with the same virus that spread from human hosts.

• False.  No animals from the survey of Wuhan market had SARS2  they looked at 362 animals in Wuhan, mostly bats and discovered 17 new coronaviruses similar to SARS2.  (oh fuck) The viruses most similar to SARS2 are found in bat caves 800 miles from Wuhan.
  
• coronaviruses were screened in the lung, liver, and intestinal tissue samples from fifteen raccoon dogs, seven Siberian weasels, three hog badgers, and three Reeves’s muntjacs collected in Wuhan and 334 bats collected around Wuhan. Consequently, eight alphacoronaviruses were identified in raccoon dogs, while nine betacoronaviruses were found in bats. Notably, the newly discovered alphacoronaviruses shared a high whole-genome sequence similarity (97.9 per cent) with the canine coronavirus (CCoV) strain 2020/7 sampled from domestic dog in the UK. Some betacoronaviruses identified here were closely related to previously known bat SARS-CoV-related viruses sampled from Hubei province and its neighbors, while the remaining betacoronaviruses exhibited a close evolutionary relationship with SARS-CoV-related bat viruses in the RdRp gene tree and clustered together with SARS-CoV-2-related bat coronaviruses in the M, N and S gene trees, but with relatively low similarity. Additionally, these newly discovered betacoronaviruses seem unlikely to bind angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 because of the deletions in the two key regions of their receptor-binding motifs. Finally, we did not find SARS-CoV-2 or its progenitor virus in these animal samples
  
• https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/8/1/veac046/6601809
  

Then there is the matter of the furin cleavage site that does not appear naturally in other beta coronaviruses, but is in SARS-CoV-2

• False.  Many different betacoronaviruses demonstrate furin cleavage sites.
  

I saw part of the early research on the epidemiology in Wuhan, and the pattern of spread was along rail lines in Wuhan away from the WIV and clustered around the WIV. There were no clusters where one would have expected them if there was a natural origin, as per the Senate report.

• Let's see this data.

I concluded in January 2020 that something was fishy.

• Since there was zero hard data to go with in January 2020, this confirms that your motivations are entirely driven by bias and unrelated to fact-gathering to any degree.

This is one of the biggest betrayals of the American people in US history.

I will never forget the skewed graphs that our public health department put out that had huge red bars for cases, and down below in black were tiny bars that showed the deaths. Almost none, and those numbers were skewed.

I won't forget the local nurses going on tv and pretending that footage from NYC was actually their hospital, and they were on the front lines of this huge catastrophe, and yet when I go by the hospital you can see almost no evidence of activity at all. Census at the hospitals were 30% of capacity.

I'm glad to see this lawsuit taking place...and I hope there's many more to come. My fear is that Congress will investigate this travesty with a very narrow focus on only the "Lab Leak Theory" ... which in the end, I predict, will come to a dead end in China.

There's far more fruitful investigations that could be conducted on wrong doing in the US with corporate constructed mandates and crony policy. Just open any page of RFK, Jr's new book and start there.  

A scientist insisted Wednesday....

Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been adamant that the National Institutes of Health did not fund gain-of-function research at a Chinese government lab.

[Ebright] believed EcoHealth Alliance, a longtime collaborator with the Chinese government lab, had indeed conducted gain-of-function research while receiving U.S. taxpayer funding.

It doesn't look like he said ivermectin cures COVID either.

people who decided to take very mild doses of ivermectin in general as a preventative measure, not even to stop COVID but as a way that they thought may help give them lesser symptoms if they did catch it. 

Everybody who supported ivermectin was basically saying. Take it in a responsible manner and maybe it will reduce your symptoms if you catch the disease as some studies seem to indicate.

Nobody at all said it was a cure for Covid or a replacement for vaccinations

Nobody is listening to Joe Rogan for advise on how to handle covid-19.  They aren't listening to him about diet advise or exercise advice.

I don't know why they would take health care advice from some random comedian and reality show host. 

• vaccines are more harmful for young people  than infection
  

My impression is that he isn't giving advice... I think he is pretty aware and open about the fact that he doesn't know shit about medicine and just likes experimenting on his own body. 

• Rogan has had it both ways: 
  
• there are many claims he has deferred to expect opinion, specifically Fauci's
  
• thre are also many claims he has stated as fact that are not in fact, including
  
• vaccines are more harmful for young people  than infrection
  
• if you get vaccinnated after an infection, there is a greater risk of side effects
  
• Ivermectin cures COVID-19
  
• The COVID-19 vaccinne alters your DNA

If Russia has more of “everything except democracy”, how is that different from what I say? If when I claim that having more doesn’t mean better, your response is to tell that to Georgia, then clearly you think having more of things is an inherent advantage. Ergo, the thing (singular thing, according to you) they have less of (democracy) can be the only thing keeping them from victory based on everything you have said thus far.