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So my lynch had 100% townies on it.
[distant sinister laughter]
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o cum all ye losers
dumb but unrepentant
o cum ye you elephants of
ma ah fee uh
cum be emboldened cuz
greyparrot is play-ay-ying
he might again just shout out
his scum affiliation!
o cum and be emboldened!
Ma... Ah.... Fee uhhhhhhhhhhhh
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@Cogent_Cognizer
yes all text. I am such a terrible liar that I would be ineligible for live play.
If you're a diligent researcher there are hundreds of prior games to flip through on debate.org. Bsh's beginner's series on that site might provide some informative examples.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
You should join! Newbies tend to get exploited the first few games but that is part of the fun.
Here's some info:
VII. Mafia
Mafia is a game which is often played in the games forum of the site. All are free to participate (typically after going through a beginners' series). To explain a bit more about the game, in mafia there are usually two teams: the town and the mafia. The town group is the largest, but town players are not told the identities of other town players (townies). Mafia is the smallest group, but they typically know each other's identities and can communicate with each other.
The game is played in cycles, and each cycle is divided into two phases--a Day Phase and a Night Phase. In the day phase, players talk publicly about the game in an effort to determine who among them is mafia. Players may choose to eliminate ("lynch") a player by public vote during the DP. Town's goal is to remove all mafia from the game. In the night phase, mafia collectively decides on a townie to kill in an effort to become the majority of living players in the game.
While the game is more complex than this brief description can explain, it is a highly enjoyable activity and one I can personally recommend. If you're interested in mafia, please check out the games forum!
For more information about mafia and its rules and gameplay consult these links:
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@Club
Club!
If you have verified that you can't save yourself, then you should doctor me just so I get a chance to read you... Some non-obvious discrepancy or new piece of information might drop out- better than dying in silence, anyway.
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@Speedrace
Vote for water pls
OK. I'll go along with this. WaterPhoenix claims Vanilla and has been inactive so I think that combo represents our best chance of hitting scum.
VTL WaterPhoenix
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@bsh1
@Wylted
@Speedrace
I understand you are saying that it is lynch right or lose. I will try to be on again before the vote so some unanimity of purpose beforehand would help me. I'm presently more fine with less actives and more suspicious of vanillas.
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@Wylted
so far, I have had no results- as far as I can tell, nobody has tried to target me for anything.
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@Wylted
-> @oromagi
I need your role justification please.
vyl oromagi
I am Absol I am famous for predicting disasters. Because I can see into future, I am the psychic
or done in bsh style:
YaA,aPn4yatsitf&pnd&ode. Ya2wh,bthmyse&byathosd. Dtya2sitf,yatP. Enyltr&aoaty@n. Ywwat2tthbe.
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@Wylted
We usually do better just lynching the least active. To me the most obvious note is that there are way too many vanillas. I've never seen a game with a poisoner & Supa as town poisoner has me thrown. Are there really games with a bunch of vanillas and poisoners on both sides? Seems likely to be a crazy quick way to set up the game.
I don't buy your claim that plurality rule changed- Warren clearly would have spelled that out
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@Wylted
Let's recall Warren's rules:I need to reread everything again but I think speedrace is scum. He was active on discord which I have never seen before but I think if he was in a scum PM over there it makes sense for him to pop up and see what was happening on the discord.
"Don't use PM structure, wincons, PM time stamps, or things of that ilk as points of analysis in the game. Discussion of these issues is strictly prohibited. You may not C/P anything from your PMs into the game or take photos of your PMs. There is to be no communicating via non-mod-initiated methods, even with teammates or hydra halves. This means there is to be no game-related discussion on G+ hangouts, Discord, unauthorized PMs on site, PMs offsite, etc. If you suspect or know that any such communication is taking place, you are obligated to inform me immediately."
I'm not familiar enough with this rule to judge whether your speculation re: discord is permitted but I don't think mafia is using discord based on this rule.
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@Speedrace
If you’re so real, heal oromagi :)
Speed mistakes me for poisoned early on- that could be a tell. Was there some earlier conversation about poisoning me perhaps that Speed momentarily forgot got updated?
Just thinking out loud, here.
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People people
We gotta get over before we go under
People people
We gotta get over before we go under
-James Brown "Funky President"
Sorry for the long absences. I am uncle-in-chief this weekend which amounts to Plants vs. Zombies until almost midnight.
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Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
-Wilfred Owen
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"Farce, Alice?"
- Ralph Kramden
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II.
Angustam amice pauperiem pati
robustus acri militia puer
condiscat et Parthos ferocis
vexet eques metuendus hasta
vitamque sub divo et trepidis agat
in rebus. Illum ex moenibus hosticis
matrona bellantis tyranni
prospiciens et adulta virgo
suspiret, eheu, ne rudis agminum
sponsus lacessat regius asperum
tactu leonem, quem cruenta
per medias rapit ira caedes.
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori:
mors et fugacem persequitur virum
nec parcit inbellis iuventae
poplitibus timidove tergo.
Virtus, repulsae nescia sordidae,
intaminatis fulget honoribus
nec sumit aut ponit securis
arbitrio popularis aurae.
Virtus, recludens inmeritis mori
caelum, negata temptat iter via
coetusque volgaris et udam
spernit humum fugiente pinna.
Est et fideli tuta silentio
merces: vetabo, qui Cereris sacrum
volgarit arcanae, sub isdem
sit trabibus fragilemque mecum
solvat phaselon; saepe Diespiter
neglectus incesto addidit integrum,
raro antecedentem scelestum
deservit pede Poena claudo.
-Horace, Odes 3
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OK, I'm having another crazy day so I'm just tossing in without much analysis. I have to admit I am totally bewildered by all the poisoner talk. I'm not convinced we can draw any certain conclusions and trying to do so seems to have occluded much else.
I am Absol. I am a PSYCHIC. I can confirm Club as town if Club targets me tonight. I have to run to the store now but I'll try to check back in a few hrs. In the meantime,
VTL Mharman
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@Speedrace
Why was I not pinged? :'( I like poetry
I was pinging good debaters who were recently online & who I'd like to see play mafia (we already lasoo'd you). I got zero positive responses and several negative (including one unfriending), so no help there.
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RatMan-
which are detailed in the forum topic, "DA and the fundamental issue of a debate website."?
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RatMan-
You're right that it is nonsense to try to justify police violence although I would not characterize you as a victim. The metaphor is dart=town, since there are no parallels in terms of violence or even compulsion I thought the metaphor had style without implying any justification.
I'm sorry you're not up for mafia. I'll try not to broach the subject again.
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@DebateArt.com
@Barney
@Ramshutu
1:) first round forfeit = auto loss to the non forfeiting side
2.) reach two forfeits more than the other side = auto loss.
3.) rule is opt in if possible.
I'd support this, too. I think Ragnar had some suggestions along this line.
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RatMan-
Well, I came to this site because I like bsh's governing style and the moderation here continues to earn my unflagging admiration & support. I don't agree with every choice but I acknowledge the great difficulty of moderating a site like this with respect for freedom while also trying make a site that isn't overrun by bad behavior. I support the toleration of some transgressions as good for freedom and I also support strong, consistent limits as good for site growth and accessibility. If that's hypocrisy, so be it.
I won't pretend to know you well, but you also don't need me to tell you that you like to push on those boundaries, test those limits. It does not surprise me at all that some inconsistencies might arise in the management of that boundary-testing. Instead of feeling put upon, I'd encourage you to recognize that mods are trying to keep your boundary-testing style engaged while also trying to attract new folks. Try to see it from a community perspective: speedrace is a top notch contributor we want him to stick around and have lots to say. If every time he starts a new debate, he's got to worry about engaging you, then he might hesitate to contribute more. A few people have asked me not accept their debates & I always respect that wish, knowing that translates to more happy and just more debaters.
I have said before that I think of you as punk in the punk rock sense. I like punks. I want a few punks hanging around my town, just on principle. But punks get tossed in jail every once a while or they stop being punks. Punks get roughed up by the police sometimes even when we know that's not just. I'm not saying this site will ever treat you in a way that you might find fair, I'm just saying you should stick around anyway because you add a lot to the site and I enjoy your contributions.
and you should play some mafia sometime, man. I think you'd be good at it.
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RatMan-
I guess this is the context. So, I take it my opinion here doesn't match my opinion expressed elsewhere. I'm often surprised by my own inconsistency, hypocrisy. Feel free to PM me details and if you re-friend me sometime I'll be sure to accept.
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oops I'm blocked.
RatMan-
sorry if I've offended you. RE: your question, PM me some context (not in games forum)
I'm surprised you don't play mafia- seems like you'd be good at it.
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@thett3
@David
@Pinkfreud08
@MisterChris
@semperfortis
Funky, nasty
Hey! listen to the man!
Payback! Cold blooded!
People people
We gotta get over before we go under
People people
We gotta get over before we go under
Listen to me
Lets get together and raise
Raise our food like the man
Save our money like the mob
Put up the fight, own the job
People people
We gotta get over before we go under
-James Brown "Funky President"
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@RationalMadman
@Imabench
@Ramshutu
@TheRealNihilist
@Snoopy
Funky, nasty
Hey! listen to the man!
Payback! Cold blooded!
People people
We gotta get over
before we go under
People people
We gotta get over
before we go under
Listen to me
Lets get together and raise
Raise our food like the man
Save our money like the mob
Put up the fight, own the job
People people
We gotta get over
before we go under
-James Brown "Funky President"
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@thett3
@David
@Pinkfreud08
@MisterChris
@semperfortis
Death [sic] is but a song to sing
Fear's the way we die
You can make the mountains ring
Or make the angels cry
Though the bird is on the wing
And you may not know why
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to kill [sic] one another
Right now
Some may come and some may go
We shall surely pass
When the one that left us here
Returns for us at last
We are but a moment's sunlight
Fading in the grass
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to kill [sic] one another
Right now
The Youngbloods "Get Together"
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@RationalMadman
@Imabench
@Ramshutu
@TheRealNihilist
@Snoopy
Death [sic] is but a song to sing
Fear's the way we die
You can make the mountains ring
Or make the angels cry
Though the bird is on the wing
And you may not know why
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to kill [sic] one another
Right now
Some may come and some may go
We shall surely pass
When the one that left us here
Returns for us at last
We are but a moment's sunlight
Fading in the grass
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to kill [sic] one another
Right now
The Youngbloods "Get Together"
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I believe any forfeit should be an automatic & instant loss that impacts rating.
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@Trent0405
I think Wikipedia is the greatest thing the internet has ever produced. I always begin with Wikipedia for the most ordinary understanding. The discussion pages are often a great source of likely arguments. The sources often give you a sense of what books and people influence our ordinary understanding. I usually read Encyclopedia Brittanica to make sure Wikipedia hasn’t gone rogue. Then I start hunting for data that supports my case and/or my opponents case.
For the military/geopolitical debates you enjoy, the CIA factbook and the UN are great. Jane’s is an excellent source for all kinds of military data.
But it none of that will save you much time. The more hours of research you put in, the more confidently you can express your opinion. Don’t take your opponents sources for granted- using your opponents sources against them is a great debate tactic that online debates get to exploit far more than live debates. If you spend way more time reading than writing, if you resent the hours lost to double checking ridiculous lies then you are probably doing it right.
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@Wylted
What are the odds of you completing our FBI porn debate?
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AUGUSTUS
Jet pears hung squalidly against the drapes
and his fingertips glistened with frost.
The orange sun melted his nape.
In his drafty palace, there lived a statue
and over the palace Augustus sent his vines,
cerise cries in the white air.
Tender little shots rang out.
Waterfalls swelled and kissed before him,
knelt and screamed as crowns spun
through the night, the night of Augustus
which was like an army of marauders,
unceasing and full of insight,
the dashing snow! the fierce! the free!
and the waterfalls were still as flames.
The voices began, like so many daggers.
At first Augustus only felt them
as doves attempting to hide in his breast,
but soon they surrounded him completely
like a crown of screams, as clearly as sand
pouring through glass in the winter desert.
He was the metal of his crown at last.
Frank O' Hara
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I'd like to pressure Supadudz, hear from bsh. I'm ok with vtl mharman though I'm more skeptical of club.
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@Speedrace
Why does everyone stop talking when I drop the biggest knowledge bomb I've dropped so far? :(
I thought that was great! I don't even really know what that was but it looked damned convincing.
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@Vader
I'm about to get busy. I'd like to pressure Supa- his lurking makes me suspect. I'd like to hear an overall recommendation from bsh & disc
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@Wylted
I don't get your eagerness to lynch at all. I assume you are town because you are poisoned but why wouldn't you want to live a little longer for investigating? Now I'm beginning to worry that I'm missing some other angle.I don't care GP. I have a lot of influence over the lynch direction and I have decided that we can't have 3 wagons so it is you or mharman. My preference is mharman but you aren't cooperating and until you do, it has to be you
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@Greyparrot
you, wylted, & speed all claim vanilla. Does this seem like too many vanillas in a game of this size?
wouldn't squirtle be more consistent with a protective role ?
I think I believe wylted & speed (dying and new) sooner than you.
If there any other Vanillas, a claim now might expose GP
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@Wylted
right now i'm liking claimers then posters so something like-
Wylted
Club
Mharman
GP
Speed
Disc
Bsh
Pie
Phione
WP
supa
Club
Mharman
GP
Speed
Disc
Bsh
Pie
Phione
WP
supa
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@Greyparrot
A win for scum? are you braindead? How many times do I have to explain this to you...TOWN DOES NOT FUCKING WIN THE GAME IN THE NIGHT WITH POWER ROLES.The odds are enormously against town winning at night..like 10 to 1 odds that town is going to stop a night kill, so get off this idea that town needs power roles to win the game. Claiming a power role doesn't give you any town cred in my eyes.
This feels like a different GP than prior games, but I've only played a few.
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@Wylted
lynch WP? is that for lurking or something else? Has Sup given out a single post?
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@Wylted
now explain the even day poison doc. can he heal u now? if not, why not?
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