oromagi

I did not know something happened to lannan. 

o cum all ye losers

dumb but unrepentant

o cum ye you elephants of

ma ah fee uh

cum be emboldened cuz

greyparrot is play-ay-ying

he might again just shout out

his scum affiliation!

o cum and be emboldened!

Ma...  Ah....  Fee uhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Well then that’s my vote.  We should jump wholesale to Mharam, dudz included. & then revisit dudz right after Mharam.  What do others think?

Mharman- is your game ready to go if we all hopped over?

on the other hand, it was still the longest, most suspense filled game of mafia that’s been played since I joined this site. 

A customer enters a pet shop.
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
Mr. Praline: (pause)I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Owner: We're closin' for lunch.
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!
Mr. Praline: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you show...
(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, he moved!
Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!
Owner: I never!!
Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything...
Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!
(Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)
Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead parrot.
Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Norwegian Blues stun easily, major.
Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords.
Mr. Praline: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?
Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely plumage!
Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Owner: No no! 'E's pining!
Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
(pause)
Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of parrots.
Mr. Praline: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Owner: (pause) I got a slug.
(pause)
Mr. Praline: Pray, does it talk?
Owner: Nnnnot really.
Mr. Praline: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)
Mr. Praline: Well.
(pause)
Owner: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?
Mr. Praline: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.

if that's some half-assed attempt to save warren I doubt it will work.  if u r scum we r almost certainly doing warren in next

thx, pie

so either its a mass conspiracy to blow this game up or nobody got new roles in spite of Mod's declarations to that effect.  GP should be dead now & if he proves guilty, warren seems the obvious next move based on GP's declaration at the end of the aborted first round.

agreed.  however that is not an argument against your lynching.  I assume if u were town u would have made some kind of appeal by now so your non-objections increase your readings on the scumometer.

Supa’s profile pic of the week game was weak so I murdered Sup in the saussurean  sense & took his game but named it in his honor by way of apology.  Supa’s ghost returns occasionally to scratch his head and squint hard at the mess I made of things. 

/in. Will there be crustaceans?

I feel like I addressed that in the post just prior.....

....but, yeah.  Is it possible Sup kept the same scum after even outing themselves?  I don’t know...we seem to be fairly freewheeling so far so I’m not ruling it out. 

The least cool ant is the Endorian Ant from "Wicket and the Dandelion Warriors: An Ewok Adventure"

yes, tis awesome

OK, so u were scum yesterday and admit u have no update from SupaDudz. Therefore, u r scum today.

Yeah, but then u would say that now either way so no information there

seems like we need a game that works a bit like mafia but starts quicker, ends quicker, and needs less people

I don't know about anybody else but I for one did not change roles.  I believe GP when he says he & Warren were scum yesterday.  Since my role did not change perhaps their roles did not change.  On the other hand, it wouldn't be much of a game if GP confessed yesterday and did not get switched out today.....

Can other folks confirm that their roles did actually change today?

good

But consider the hidden costs.

I see you have some insight into Alec's gameplay.  Care to elaborate a bit?

good.  When I see your name I always think of Lord Mhoram from the Chronicles of Thomas Covenent- he was a cool anti-violence wizard/theocrat who’s memory gets perverted into an evil sort of religious figure 3,000 years later. 

greyp thinks u r Mark Harmon- he watches “Stealing Home” every night before bedtime

oromagi but also levi_smiles

My definition of porn comes from Aquinas/Joyce- Art is defined by its aesthetic arrest- the viewer brings the emotional response to the work, the artist does not intend to achieve some pre-ordained effect.  When the maker decides what effect to achieve and then crafts the work to achieve that effect, the maker is serving pornography. 

Using Aquinas' definition, the primary function of DART is almost exclusively pornographic, we deliberately work to move viewers to specific results- emotional responses, votes, provocations, etc.   These questions of jugs and gore are just our way of testing our own sense of propriety by defining someone else's- like some asshole driving the speed limit in the fast lane.  I'm fine with just about any level of explicit sex or violence short of self-harm or the defamation of other users.  Users should respect the norms of behavior within the confines of any debate or forum and as with all participation should avoid over-submission of unpopular content.  If somebody want to change their profile pic to an erect penis, I'm fine with that.  If somebody wants to post a link to an erect penis to a forum on third wave feminism, I'd consider that an abuse of norms.  If somebody posts a bunch of dick pics all over the place, that is an abuse worthy of intervention by mods.

just cuz.  I remember pie from games on  DDO & haven't seen a pie post yet here on DART,

so pie must die.

Sure although that's a lot of folks.  Heck I haven't seen most of these people post since DDO.

actually their whole story is very cute.  They met and then she asked him to drive her mom & her into the big city for surgery and they were 17 & 16 and left alone in a hotel room for a week.  So they got married in secret and then went back to their parents houses and didn't tell anybody for the first year of their marriage.

Since we are debating the topic- my paternal grandparents met at a Klan cookout.  They weren't members (actually my Grandad was probably further left than me) but the Klan was just part of the normal social scene in the little Appalachian towns my people come from.

Yeah, y’know Achilles, Alexander, Socrates & Alcibiades- etc

I'm aware of the contiguity but we are talking about law and public policy which means getting the relevant jurisdiction correct.  Seems to me that the Cook County legislation failed on a number of counts-

Sup, Sup'-

If your best argument is that the tax was unpopular then you are arguing against taxes generally- all tax is unpopular.  The question is economic efficiency and benefit which is proving out in populations that have lived with the tax for a couple of years.  I'm not sure Cook County's experiment was executed with sufficient forethought to serve as a useful test of principle.

Also, Cook County not Chicago, repealed not vetoed, 11 months not 2 (actual implementation is about 3), 15-1 vote to repeal not 81-2 vote to veto.  That's a lot of wrong for two short sentences.

(proposed) RESOLVED:  The US Federal Govt. should implement a national excise tax on junk food

US Federal Government: the national government of the United States, a federal republic in North America, composed of 50 states, a federal district, five major self-governing territories, and several island possessions. The federal government is composed of three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, whose powers are vested by the U.S. Constitution in the Congress, the president, and the federal courts, respectively. The powers and duties of these branches are further defined by acts of congress, including the creation of executive departments and courts inferior to the Supreme Court. (Wikipedia)

Excise tax in the United States is an indirect tax on listed items. Excise taxes can be and are made by federal, state and local governments and are not uniform throughout the United States. Some excise taxes are collected from the producer or retailer and not paid directly by the consumer, and as such often remain "hidden" in the price of a product or service, rather than being listed separately. (Wikipedia)

Junk food is a pejorative term, dating back at least to the 1950's, describing food that is high in calories from sugar or fat, with little dietary fiber, protein, vitamins or minerals.

the above is ranked by debates won, in which u rank 2nd.

I did not count medals, you see.

You are a major contender in medals, btw.

He says he doesn't care so much about medals so I don't know if he noticed (I would have assumed he'd have published a new topic in self-praise if he did), but early  this morning RatMan won his hundredth debate:

Which also means that RM is the first to achieve every medal and is so far ahead of number 2 that he's likely to be the only user to achieve every medal for a very long while.  We can complain of his madness and methods but there's no denying this result.  There's also no denying that RatMan is highly original, creative, amusing and the most engaged force on this site.

Congratulations, RatMan and well done.  In your honor here is a link to the Wikipedia entry for Rat king-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king

good topic!  I like the idea of some kind of round robin debate although implementation and scoring could be tricky.

Since this is a public policy debate we should be specific about which government and how implemented.  The US Fed does not tax food although it does subsidize the production of much of the salt, sugar, and fat that goes into junk food- the most famously over-subsidized being corn almost entirely due to the fact that Iowa votes first in the primaries.  Generations of federal over-subsidization of corn has created massive overproduction of corn and the plasticization of corn into non-traditional food roles like corn syrup substitutes for more traditional cane or beet sugars.  Govt. over-subsidization led to corn overproduction which led to food product innovations designed to exploit hyper-cheap corn. For example, corn starch and corn syrup for breakfast in kid's cereal, corn syrup substitutes for milk, sugar, and maple syrup.  Think about a McDonald's McNugget: made from a chicken almost exclusively force-fed corn for its life, breaded in cornstarch and cornmeal, dipped in flavored corn syrup-- McNuggets are almost entirely made from super cheap government corn.  The number one ingredient in most soft drinks is corn.  If corn were not so cheap and overproduced would we have likely seen the overproduction of cheap, high-calorie, low-nutrition foods like fritos, cheetos, doritios, coke, pepsi, etc?

A huge portion of the junk food problem would be resolved by removing US Federal interference in the corn markets, making junk food far more expensive relative to nutritional food.

State and local govt. could further correct for market inefficiencies by tying grocery tax exemptions to nutrition.  Much of what Frito-Lay and Coca-Cola lobbyists call a fat tax is in fact just state and local efforts to remove some junk foods from traditional grocery tax exemptions.   The argument being that the point of grocery tax exemptions was to make human nutrition cheaper, products with little to no discernible nutritional value aren't really food, they are just makework for human digestion, and so don't qualify for tax exemption.

I generally like the idea of Pigovian Taxes- addressing market inefficiencies by calculating the social costs not resolved by producers and seeking compensation from out of the resulting over-consumption.

And to think I was going to make you my  demilich

yes- #61 - the photos are my talent show

Arguing that Milo's biography is inconsistent with his ideology  is no defense of a fairly well documented embrace of and kowtow to neo-Nazis.  You can admire either Shapiro or Yiannopolis but admiring both simultaneously makes you the one with the ideological inconsistency.

(cont.)

FROM:http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/05/ben-shapiros-messy-breakup-with-breitbart.html
Shapirosees this same logic at work in the alt-right’s constant use of the slur cuck,short for “cuckservative,” which Yiannopoulos referenced in a tweet he sent toShapiro shortly after his child was born: “Prayers to Ben who had to seehis kid come out half black.  And alreadyhalf-black. #Happy Mothers Day
The“joke” here, of course, is that Shapiro’s wife had sex with a black man. Thisis a not-very-veiled reference to the alt-right idea that effete progressivewhite men, as well as RINOs, secretly want to watch their white wives have sexwith black people. “The idea is that you’re somebody who puts Westerncivilization in danger, because Western civilization is based on whitesupremacy, and so you are pandering to black people and minorities because youare desperate to have a minority person have sex with your wife,” explainedShapiro. “That’s why it’s an insult to these people. So there’s obviously apure racist bent to the word cuck, and it’s been true a long time.”
Then, aswith the anti-Semitic memes, there are the trolls who simply hurl the insult inan attempt to provoke. “So if they use the word cuck and itgets a rise out of you, then they’ve succeeded in their goal,” said Shapiro. Inshort, Shapiro thinks that the alt-right is attempting to shift the boundariesof discourse in such an extreme fashion that anyone who expresses any offenseat anything is, by definition, a “cuck” who lacks themanliness to support Trump (one can only assume Twitter eggs spewing racism atjournalists are a virile, muscular bunch, of course). “What you’ll see is thatif you even mention [the alt-right’s racism and anti-Semitism], it’s, Oh,he’s a weakling. Oh, you’re a child, Oh, you’re soeasily offended — you’ve become a social-justice warrior!” said Shapiro. “Ithink a ‘social-justice warrior’ is someone who is offended by a basic fact —they think a social-justice warrior is just anybody who is offended ever, forany reason.”
And heviews this stance as not just stupid but hypocritical. “Of course, the irony isthat they are the most easily offended people on Earth — the Trump people areso easily offended,” he said. “If you insult the stubby fingers and Cheeto faceof their orange god-king, then they lose their minds. They absolutely lose it.And, obviously, Breitbart’s pretty easily offended, because when I point outthe level of anti-Semitism that’s crept up in their comments section and that’sbeing patted on the head by their editorial board, the first thing they do isthey run a lead story on their website by some Twitter follower of Milo’s namedPizza Party Ben — the estimable journalist Pizza Party Ben.”