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i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear;and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it’s you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you
here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that's keeping the stars apart
i carry your heart(i carry it in my heart)
-ee cummings
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Perhaps by being more open we can move to a more democratic form of government. A peaceful rebellion of sorts, though other forms should be on the table as well
But you don't believe in more democratic forms of government. You have repeatedly expressed your desire for autocracy in America. Shouldn't you get your basic principles straight in your head before wasting other people's time with your fuzzy, unformed opinion, chud?
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@Incel-chud
-->@oromagiI call them ruler, so nobody forgets we live in am oligarchy.
If you actually believed that the US was an oligarchy then why make a forum complaining about the lack of govt openness in affairs of State? Only democracies worry about that shit. Oligarchies control the media so they need never worry about govt openness.
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@Incel-chud
just because a Democrat has become ruler of America.
Not a Democrat, chud, just a non-Republican. Its hard to believe that there's such a thing as an ethical Republican left in America- the ethical ones have renounced that party as Trump has re-fashioned it. For example, no non-Republican thinks of the POTUS as their ruler - that is new, Trump era thinking.
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@Incel-chud
Let's recall that Russian false flag operations are already a well-established fact in the Russo-Ukrainian War.
On July 16th, 2014 the Russian Army's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade snuck across the Ukrainian border under the cover of night while Putin was promising the world that there were no Russian troops on Ukrainian soil. Satellite intelligence confirms that the Russians shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 with 298 civilian passengers and the Russian Col. General reported back to the Kremlin that a Ukrainian Jet Fighter had been shot down. Obviously, this was a false flag operation with Russians masquerading as Donbas rebels in the hopes of escalating Ukrainians attacks on those rebels as pre-text to Russian invasion. The Russian then snuck back across the border the next night with one BUK surface-to-air missile launcher missing one missile. The Russian Government first reported the event as a rebel victory over the Ukrainian Air Force, then once they discovered they shot down civilians, changed the story to say that the Ukrainian Air Force shot down the plane. When intelligence revealed that the plane was brought down by an S2A missile, Putin changed the story again to blame rebels in the Donbas region. This ended up being the busiest three day period ever for the Russian disinformation troll farm, The Internet Research Agency, tweeting out more 111,000 fake news tweets in 72 hrs
That Putin is running false flag operations during the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a fact established in International Court and already punished with important sanctions on Putin from the EU, The Nederlands, and Australia.
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@Incel-chud
this is very reminiscent of the WMD DEBACLE.
is it, though?
In one case we have Republicans actively manufacturing fake evidence as a casus belli to trick Americans into supporting an unnecessary war with the result of more than 6300 dead US soldiers, more than 75,000 significantly injured and at the cost $2-3 trillion.
In the other case we have Democrats refusing to reveal their intelligence sources to the press.
Only a Republican would call these two things equivalent.
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Also, General Miley didn't register as a Chinese agent.
It should not be surprising that when we separate the men from the boys GP and Pie come off as aborted fetuses.
Just some of the important differences between the truth and GP's fucking deliberately deceptive false equivalencies are:
- The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs was acting in his official capacity when he advised his Chinese counterparts that the rumors of a first strike plan were false.
- Unlike Flynn, Milley was acting in America's interests, not Putin's
- Unlike Flynn, Milley was ordered to make the calls by his boss Mark Esper
- Unlike Flynn, Milley made the calls in a room full of advisors and staff
- Unlike Flynn, Milley had not received millions of dollars in illegal bribes before making the calls
- Unlike Flynn, Milley's call was properly recorded and archived for government use
- Unlike Flynn, Milley never had to lie to law enforcement many, many times
- Unlike Flynn, Milley never committed treason
Neither did Swalwell.
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell did not know that the lady who held a fundraiser for him and had her picture taken with him was a spy
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell denounced the spy as soon as he was advised by US Intelligence
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell instantly reported everything he knew about her to the govt
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell never covered up the fact that a spy had done some fundraising
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell never knowingly gave that spy a job or money
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell never lied to law enforcement about her activities
- Unlike Trump, Swalwell never protected that spy from investigation and prosecution
See the difference? The difference is treason vs. patriotism. Unsurprising that GP can't tell that difference.
They should all get the Flynn treatment
Trump gave a Russian spy, Flynn, full unrestricted access to America's deepest State secrets and crashed whole branches of government to make sure that Russian spy got away with it. Why would any loyal American want anybody to spy on America and get away with it, which is what the Flynn treatment is, I suppose?
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I definitely think the Flynn case is a "separate the men from the boys" kind of question. There is no rational citizen in the world that would not object to foreign agents of hostile powers having unrestricted access to one's own country's state secrets. There is no good reason in the world why any leader- King, Dictator, President, minister should not lose his job and freedom for such an act. Specific personalities and party politics doesn't even enter it- objectively, traditionally such treason is handled with public execution. Anybody pretending that the established facts of the Flynn case do not merit public outrage and alarm and swift justice is too corrupted by party politics do objectively evaluate our nation's fundamental security requirements.
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Catching up on Boba Fett with a Sativa vape, 2 cans of Guinness, and a blowjob
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Our God on this site needs to be locic
Never heard of him. Was he on DDO?
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@n8nrgmi
-->@oromagiDo u know which law specifically trump violated per Flynn?
There's probably hundreds of little laws. But the big ones are probably at least:
Misprision of treason (7 years)
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.
Aiding and abetting Flynn's falsification of Federal Security clearances (5 years)
Aiding and abetting Flynn defrauding the IRS (5 years)
(Flynn failed to declare at least half a million and probably much more than that in payments from Russia and Turkey)
Federal Obstruction of Justice (20 years)
For firing the Attorney General when she advised that Flynn was Russian Spy
Federal Obstruction of Justice (20 years)
For firing the FBI Director when he refused to drop the investigation into Flynn
Federal Obstruction of Justice (20 years)
For contacting Flynn's attorneys and promising pardon if Flynn kept Trump out of it
Federal Obstruction of Justice (20 years)
For ordering the Attorney General to drop all charges against Flynn
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Why do you think it would be a 5 day hold.
Current COVID quarantine time.
They were asked generally about forced containment.
That's happening in your own head and not on the page. I included the actual language in my first post: "favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities" No camps were implied. Most governments currently quarantine people in hotels.
The containment would have to be indefinite
But the question only asked about temporary measures. Whatever fantasies you are indulging about concentration camps, that was not a question Rasmussen asked and I'm confident that if the question had been shall we put all the unvaccinated in concentration camps (as you falsely assert) the positive response would have been significantly smaller
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@16kadams
@Discipulus_Didicit
I hate 16kadams because he's been a member since Nov 10th 2018 and posted his first post EVER just yesterday. wtf?
All time ultra-lurk.
Your turn, 16kadams
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@Incel-chud
You can have internment camps without isolation, enslavement, theft of possessions or being turned into soap or skin lamps.
But you used the term concentration camp....twice. Concentration camps specifically evoke NAZI concentration camps although the term has seen some use before and after the NAZIs.
Using the term Concentration Camp specifically invokes Auschwitz. Any person exercising good judgement can make a distinction between Auschwitz and a five day medical isolation, right?
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@Incel-chud
which is plenty enough illiberalism from the Left but let's note that quarantine is a long way from concentration camps.semantics
That is, you are falsely claiming that there's no important difference between being isolated for five days and being enslaved, stripped of all possessions, executed and processed into commercial products. Can we agree that your judgement is grotesquely impaired?
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50% of Democrats want to out unvaccinated people in concentration camps.
I guess it goes without saying you've got your facts wrong.
The actual Rasmassan poll reads:
– Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
which is plenty enough illiberalism from the Left but let's note that quarantine is a long way from concentration camps.
The Federalist is rated a questionable source of information generally and has a poor record of generating false medical information during the pandemic. For example, these guys are banned from twitter for spreading falsehoods about COVID.
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If what u said of Flynn is factual and it was indeed illegal to appoint him u would have a serious crime. Not sure those assumptions r accurate tho
All these facts are well documented. Trump confirmed the facts in Flynn's pardon. Flynn confirmed the facts in two written confessions.
The Judge in the case made clear his disappointment that Flynn was not charged with treason.
While Mueller’s prosecutors had argued Flynn’s decades of military service warranted a lenient sentence for the three-star general even after he had admitted lying to the FBI, it was Sullivan who, gesturing to the American flag beside him, accused Flynn of selling his country out. Minutes later, he ponderously asked the government’s lawyers whether they had ever considered charging Flynn with treason. (No, they later answered.)
“Arguably,” Sullivan said, describing how Flynn had secretly been working for the Turkish government before he joined the White House, “that undermines everything this flag over here stands for.”
It was an unexpected moment that seemed to capture – perhaps for the first time – the depth of the betrayals at the heart of special counsel Robert Mueller’s criminal investigation. So far, the cast of characters that have been ensnared by the inquiry, from Trump adviser George Papadopoulos to Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort, have seemed relatively minor players on the world stage. But not Flynn, who had been entrusted with keeping the country’s most classified secrets and protecting its security.
And if you accept that Trump knowingly gave a Russian spy access to America's most secret documents on his first day in office, you have to start to accept the fact that Trump is compromised, as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy was taped realizing in 2016 “There’s …there’s two people, I think, Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump … [laughter] … swear to God." Paul Ryan immediately advises McCarthy to shut the fuck up.
The Mueller Report described a November 2017 voicemail Flynn's attorneys received from Trump's "personal counsel", reportedly John Dowd, who said: "[I]f... there's information that implicates the President, then we've got a national security issue ... so, you know ... we need some kind of heads up,"
That is, Trump thought a Russian Spy in his employ might have information that implicates him[Trump} and was reaching out to protect that information.
I don't really understand why these facts alone doesn't lose Trump all respect from any loyal Americans. Whatever else, we Americans need to make sure our Presidents are working for us and us alone and when they aren't just working for America, we need to make sure those presidents are always swiftly brought to justice.
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@Incel-chud
American Indians were also sub-humans to Hitler- to be enslaved on sight and exterminated in the short term
Hitler frequently cited the American's use of Manifest Destiny to crush Native American nations as a model for the NAZI lebensraum. Americans had “gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand, and now keep the modest remnant under observation in a cage ...” said Hitler admiringly in 1928. Ten years in advance, Hitler openly promised to do to Europe what Europeans did to the people who they found living in the Western Hemisphere- maximum genocide.
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@Dr.Franklin
No, he very much loved the English.
Was that before or after he killed half a million English, bombed Westminster Abbey and the British Museum and declared England the "Jew of Europe"?
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[Hitler]is still very loved in India.
Obviously, when one's nation is enslaved by a foreign oppressor any leader making war on your enslavers will be popular with the enslaved.
[Hitler] wanted to keep [Indians] out if it, because they had more Aryans.
That's a nasty lie. Hitler declared all native inhabitants of the Indian sub-continent sub-human uttermensch (a usage of the term Hitler borrowed from the American Klan, I've been told)and undeserving of any human rights. Wherever Germans encountered Indians in Europe (not many) they were stripped of all rights and possessions and instantly made slaves: some hundreds were enlisted to fight the British- few survived. The rest starved to death in Nazi work camps at the end of the war. Hitler strongly believed that the Indians were vermin in need of extermination, whatever opinion Indians hold of him today. Almost no Indians were left alive in Europe east of France when Hitler was done.
When you get to 7th grade social studies you will learn all this shit.
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@Incel-chud
Hitler thought the aryan race was lost, and hid itself in many races.
If he believed that, then why all the talk about Aryan purity? He must have believed the German people were generally pure Aryan.
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@cristo71
-->@oromagiHow does the Hoover Dam qualify as natural by the Wiktionary definition you pointed to earlier?
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Natural can be used to describe a greyish, yellowish, or brownish white- which describes the Hoover Dam pretty well
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It's mostly a semantic argument stemming from the rapidly shifting meaning of "race" over the 20th century. Hitler thought of Germans as an Aryan race of people whose members could be found across Central and Eastern Europe while ironically, simultaneously murdering hundreds of thousands of the most Aryan people in Europe- the Roma. Germans of the 1940s generally thought of Jews and Roma (and French, Spanish, Italians, Russians, Serbs, Czechs, and English) as separate and inferior races. Modern genetics tell us that the German were entirely wrong about Aryanism or a distinctly German gene pool but the Germans who attacked Europe certainly used explicitly racist rhetoric to justify their many invasions and genocides.
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@cristo71
What makes the ISS and Chicken McNuggets not natural as opposed to the Hoover Dam, which you see as natural?
Hoover Dam is NATURAL in the sense of color. I suppose the ISS is really a mix of natural and artificial but most components of the actual ship are heavily synthesized, processed, manufactured and there's nothing natural about its location. Chicken McNuggets are composed of some chicken but no part of that chicken has not been denatured, blended with sugar, salt, broth, and gum and reformed and deep fried in oil. If you counted actual constituent molecules a McNugget would probably come up more corn than chicken. Donald Trump is not natural in the sense that he is slathered in make-up that does not resemble any skin tone. He's bald on top but grows the hair he has very long and has cosmetologists weave and glue that hair into an imitation of a non-bald man's haircut. If you counted actual constituent molecules Donald Trump would probably come up more aspartame than human.
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@cristo71
How about an automobile?
A mix of natural and artificial
Bleach?
Depends on how its manufactured. The Egyptians used to bleach with burnt seaweed. The Romans bleached with urine.
The plastic jug the bleach comes in?
I'd call a plastic jug synthetic and not natural.
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@cristo71
What, then, is NOT natural?
- The International Space Station
- Chicken McNuggets
- Donald Trump
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@cristo71
-->@oromagiOk. Is the Hoover Dam natural?
Yes, in at least one sense.
"An almost white colour, with tints of grey, yellow or brown;"
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@cristo71
is a beaver dam natural?
- In at least two senses:
- That exists and evolved within the confines of an ecosystem.
- Of or relating to nature.
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What do you think “natural” means?
What I think a word means isn't nearly is useful as how a word is defined by a dictionary. There, we can all agree on the many potential meanings of words like natural and if we don't agree, fault the lexicographer.
Wiktionary defines 28 independent semantic uses of the word natural.
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@Wylted
Mail I voting is fine. It always has been. I think you know the issue is sending unsolicited ballots.
Actually, its the first time you brought it up. The law Pennsylvania Republican wrote in 2019 did not issue any unsolicited ballots so it doesn't seem relevant to this discussion. My point is that Republicans are declaring their own good work unconstitutional only because their autocratic leader commands it and at the long term disadvantage of Republicans in that state.
Yeah, let's just trust leftists who are on video attacking the elderly after the Trump victory in 2016, to have respect for them now LOL.
Oh, now you are moving on to 2016? I don't know what video you are talking about but I will accept this as your concession that you have no evidence of pro-Biden election fraud in the 2020 election.
Yeah, welfare queens are the real educated ones. If you would lose by eliminating the ability of anybody with an IQ 120 or below from eligibility to vote, you should really reconsider if you are correct
evidence?
my argument was about informed voters not educated voters.
evidence?
I think my friend through the extra copies away.
So your testimony is that even presented with the opportunity to cheat, the one Democrat you know voted honestly.
It is easy for things to get lost in the mail,
I had the ability to track my ballot by bar code- I was able to login and see that my ballot was properly counted- something I could not do at a polling station.
so by mailing democrats extra copies it is not only insuring mail loss is less likely to occur but it is extra reminders for the to vote as well. This happened when I was in Ohio a purple state, but I was in Columbus so mostly democratic government close to me.
Again, you don't even know the process. In Ohio, Republican State election officials were in charge of delivering and overseeing the 2020 ballot to Ohioans.
What was the motivation of these Republicans for giving Democrats the advantage?
What the fuck would reporting it do?
Got it. You claim you were a witness to election fraud but were too lazy to perform your basic civic obligations to document and discourage such fraud. Now a year later, you want us to believe you with no evidence. You want us to believe your are concerned about election fraud but also claim that you blew off your one chance to do something about it. I say if there's was any truth to your claim, you should have documented it and in the absence of any such documentation, I will continue to call bullshit to the entire claim.
If you really felt like Trump voters did the most cheating, why would you as a Democrat be opposed to election security?
I support excellent election security and applaud the 2019 Pennsylvania Republicans who worked successfully to improve the security of the 2020 election. All I'm saying is its too bad those same Republicans now lack the spine to defend their improved security measures against the self-interests of Dear Leader and are instead compelled now to publicly condemn themselves and their own proven good work as unconstitutional for the short-term benefit of one very orange potentate.
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@bmdrocks21
I think its fair to point out that the school board is only discontinuing the book in the reading curriculum and not actually, say, preventing 8th graders from reading the book. I agree that religious books probably require a different standard of consideration but my point was that nudity, profanity, violence and suicide were not very likely to have been the real reason for objection. These themes are widely featured in 8th Grade literature, indeed throughout all great literature.
When I look at the reading lists for 8th grade English online, most of the books I'm familiar with have plenty of nudity, profanity, violence, and suicide.
Durrell's "My Family and Other Animals" -- Lots of nudity and profanity. Some minor violence- one brother gets badly beaten by thugs.
Orwell's "Animal Farm" -- a lot of political assassination. The Goose famously commits suicide.
Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" -- some violence, some talk of suicide. A couple of dead bodies. Lot's of profanity.
Baldwin's "Go Tell it on the the Mountain" -- violence, profanity, homosexuality
Clarke's "2001: A Space Odyssey " -- violence, profanity
Meyer's "Twilight" Nudity, profanity, violence, suicide
Shelley's "Frankenstein" Nudity, violence, suicide
Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" Nudity, violence, suicide
White's "The Once and Future King" Nudity, profanity, violence, suicide
Dumas' "The Count of Monte Cristo" Nudity, violence, suicide I don't remember any profanity
Card's "Ender's Game" Nudity, violence, nude violence
etc.
I guess I am skeptical that nudity, profanity, violence, and suicide were the real reasons for objection considering the prevalence of such themes in 8th grade reading or else all of these books would be on the chopping block.
Indeed, I doubt a graphic novel depicting it with cats and mice would be the best way of imparting knowledge.
So it makes sense to talk about Totalitarianism with pigs and sheep in Animal Farm but not genocide with cats and mice? I think cartoons are an excellent way of limiting the horror while still maintaining visual impact.
From my understanding, the book is illustrated, while the Bible generally isn’t.
The Bible I received at baptism had many beautiful 19th century full color illustrations. I vividly recall the nudity of Adam and Eve and drunken Noah illustrated there. The vivid violence of Jesus's torture and crucifixion had a profound impact on me as well as Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac, the bloody suicides of Saul and Sampson.
So there is the difference between showing suicidal depictions and nudity than writing “Eve had no clothes” or “Judas hanged himself from a tree”
I'd argue that a cat and mouse cartoon has just as much potential to be less disturbing than a text description. Cartoons can symbolize an act of violence in a way that requires less imagination than an written description. Tom and Jerry do things to one another that would be appalling in text or live action. And Tom and Jerry was considered storytelling primarily targeting children younger than 8th grade.
It seems to me that the standards asserted by the school are fairly flexible and dependent on the context. Fine for Twilight, fine for the Bible, fine for Tom and Jerry not fine for remembrances of what happened the last time Western Democracies were threatened by the rise of Right-Wing personality cults.
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@Wylted
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elderly people tend to vote republican at a higher rate.
This was one of the main reasons PA Republicans voted for mail-in voting. Ask the elderly whether they'd rather vote by mail or stand in line, especially post COVID. Ask the experts whether the elderly vote more with mail-in than without mail-in. If you subtract Trump from the equation, mail-in voting is normally expected to slightly advantage Republicans.
Their children who they depend on to help them vote and for other tasks are more likely to vote Democrat. It is very easy for their grandchildren just to fill out their stuff and turn it in for them. There is more intimidation in private residences than at polling stations.
Democratic voters love and respect their parents. My father voted Republican his whole life (except for Trump, of course), it would never have occurred to me to alter his mind or change his vote, we both would have seen that as quite un-American. Seems like you're pulling from personal experience here and not relying on any actual reporting or evidence.
You have no clue how much time I have studied these things, idiot.
I won't argue how much time you've spent trying but we've certainly we've established that you lack 7th grade Social Studies- the founding principles of America, the principles of US citizenship, checks and balances, what is a Democracy, etc. You don't know what Liberalism or Conservatism mean. We established again just yesterday that you don't know what a Libertarian is.
Why do you want indifferent, uneducated idiots more access to ballots?
Because as an American I hold that all citizens possess an equal right to enfranchisement. Education is another reason Republicans should want more uneducated voters- there is a direct correlation between higher levels of education and voting for Democrats.
Is it coincidentally because they vote for leftist politicians and policies that want to abolish the police and other things you agree with?
When you study more about American politics, you soon learn this is the opposite of true.
PEW RESEARCH:
"Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.
More than half of those with postgraduate experience (54%) have either consistently liberal political values (31%) or mostly liberal values (23%), based on an analysis of their opinions about the role and performance of government, social issues, the environment and other topics. Fewer than half as many postgrads – roughly 12% of the public in 2015– have either consistently conservative (10%) or mostly conservative (14%) values. About one-in-five (22%) express a mix of liberal and conservative opinions."
It's just a simple fact that the more information one has the more liberal one becomes. My argument is that by cutting out the less educated, Republicans are working against their own long-term interest in pursuit of Trump's short-term interest. That's bad strategy.
BE honest. How many ballots came in your mail box?
One.
My friend showed me 4 copies of his and he is a registered Democrat. If you have nothing to hide, be honest about how many you had sent to you.
Right. We also know you live in a Republican state. So these are Republican election officials handing all these extra copies to a Democrat? Why? Were the name, address, and barcodes all the same? If so, how would your friend have used these ballots to Democrats advantage? Did you report this mistake to authorities? Why not? I don't think you've even thought through the lie you are fabricating here. I'm not sure I even believe the part where you have a friend.
The whole claim by you that only Trump voters cheat and therefore we should not have election security, is retarded.
Trump voters definitely cheat and therefore we should have the most open and secure elections possible. If you want to say that Biden voters cheat then you are going to have to come up with some evidence. If you track the court cases related to the 2020 election every conviction that I've found is Pro-Trump or unknown. There's a famous case in my town where a man killed his wife and sent in her ballot for Trump. I can find plenty of stories of pro-TRUMP fraud nationwide and some where the voter preference is unknown but I just can't find any similar cases that finger any Biden voters. I can find Democrats cheating in local elections but none specific to Biden. I'm not saying they don't exist I'm just saying I can't find any.
In the case of the wife-murdering Trump voter, the fraudulent ballot was quickly detected and the vote never counted. The fraudulent ballot was used as evidence in the murderer's arrest. Voter fraud is far easier to detect in vote by mail elections than at ballot sites.
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Canvassers are literally going door to door handing people ballots they took (stole?) out of their mailbox and handing the ballots to them at their door asking them to fill them out. That's clearly pressure and a form of intimidation. People have a right to ignore mail in ballots without harassment at their own homes
While similar behavior has been regularly documented in Trump voters, I’m not aware of any verified cases of Pro-Biden intimidation. That’s entirely up to you to credibly source.
No city council selected these people to handle legal documents and harvest ballots.
No….More like State election officials do the heavy lifting, constitutionally speaking, in a National Election Secretaries of State and county clerks, etc. What legal documents are you talking about? Are you talking about some city election?
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@Wylted
-->@oromagiIt's entirely different thing to allow mail in voting, and quite another to just haphazardly mail ballots to every registered voter.
What's haphazard about it? That's how the USFG does the census, and collects taxes, and distributes social security and other funds. Benjamin Franklin recognized the capacity to mail every citizen as essential to democracy. That's why Trump tried so hard to break the Post Office as a function of the Federal Govt. in the Autumn of 2020. Filling out a ballot in the privacy of your own home is far less subject to intimidation and voter fraud and computer tracking of mailed ballots is far more secure than hundreds of polling booths with various standards and ethical limits.
Generally speaking you only want people who are going to spend a significant amount of time studying policies and political philosophy to vote.
We can agree that education-wise, you are insufficiently qualified to vote.
Don't think I don't notice either that my friend who is a registered Democrat got 4 ballots mailed to him, while I had one ballot mailed to me. We know what's going on
I'll assume this is just more bullshit from the Brown Baron of Bullshit.
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@bmdrocks21
"due to concerns about profanity and an image of female nudity" and "its depiction of violence and suicide"
The bible has female nudity practically on page 1. Paul sometimes uses the Greek obscenity translating as "shit" in his writings- so profanity. Lots and lots and lots of violence: there's babies getting their brains smashed out with rocks, for fuck's sake- and it's a good thing for the protagonists of the story, it's victory. And yes, there's suicides. Jesus arguably committed a kind of suicide-by-cop, albeit for a good cause. Certainly Judas hung himself- that's suicide.
If profanity, female nudity, violence and suicide are the standards for school censorship aren't you compelled by the necessity of equal treatment under the law to ban the bible from your schools?
And they've asked that a new book be found to teach the Holocaust in a more age-appropriate manner
oh, yeah? And will this new book be the first and only graphic novel to ever win the god-damned Pulitzer Prize for Literature thirty years ago? No, I guess it wouldn't be, would it? Doesn't really make whatever you come up with much of a replacement, does it?
There is no way to describe the Holocaust without describing female nudity and profanity and violence and suicide. It was one the nastiest outbreaks of all that shit to ever happen in human history. There is not some age appropriate way to talk about what the Nazis did to tens of millions of humans- theft, slavery, rape, starvation humiliation and extinction. To whitewash history is to lie to your children, although I agree there should be an appropriate age to hear this story. Let's agree the Bible has more nudity, violence, and suicide than is depicted in Maus. Certainly, if they are old enough to read to the Bible, they can handle the milder stuff in Maus.
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As ever, Greyparrot is lying when he tags this forum as BIDEN, CORRUPTION, DNC. That's that Orwellian doublespeak that the Republican Party has lapsed into; forgetting that a Republican Majority State Senate wrote this bill in 2019 correctly believing that it would result in the most open and secure election in PA.'s history. Republicans also correctly believed that voting by mail would have likely given the Republicans a slight advantage had not the Republican President decided that he could suppress the Democratic vote by openly calling mail-ballots fraudulent. That is, Pennsylvania's Republican Party mostly believed one thing two years and now they all believe the exact opposite thing is true because it advantaged a single man, because they must. They are now filing court cases against their own law-making of just two years ago, tearing downs laws they correctly believed to be to Republican's long-term advantage, calling themselves & the laws they made "unconstitutional" in public only and exactly because one man tells them to.
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@Intelligence_06
Pirates of the Caribbean is banned because it is illegal to depict ghosts in China.I am no expert on law but who did you see for whatever this is.
"The intricacies of getting a film approved by the China Film Bureau, an executive branch of the country’s Communist government, are largely unknown to Western audiences. Sometimes it can take months or years to secure a release; many major films have run afoul of unforeseen diplomatic pressures. In 2008, The Dark Knight’s planned rollout in China was cancelled because of “cultural sensitivities” (likely to do with scenes set in Hong Kong involving a money-laundering character), which significantly hampered the film’s worldwide box-office take. ....The Film Bureau objects to films with distinctly spiritual content, because they “promote cults or superstition” in violation of the Communist Party’s secular principles—a major problem for a movie chock-full of ghosts.
There are, apparently, ways around the “no ghosts!” rule. One easy way is to explain that the people seeing visions of the dead were crazy, perhaps, or on drugs. The second Pirates of the Caribbean film, Dead Man’s Chest, was banned in China because it had spirits swarming around, but Disney accordingly made cuts to the Chinese version of the series’ third film, At World’s End, to make it acceptable."
Oct 22, 2015
"Chow Yun-Fat’s depiction of Captain Sao Feng as a villainous murderer ensured that Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End, like many blockbusters and almost all James Bond movies, was almost not granted a release in China. [Oro: In fact, 10 minutes were excised by Chinese censors before release]. However, the next film in the series, 2011’s belated sequel On Stranger Tides, didn’t center on China at all and still managed to earn the ire of the films’ censorship board, with the Pirates of the Caribbean installment almost being denied a release. Unlike the third film’s ban (and a lot of blockbuster censorship), this was not actually due to a political issue. The Chinese censors didn’t care for On Stranger Tides' plot frequently referencing ghosts, the occult, and the afterlife, something would later contribute to numerous high-profile flops like R.I.P.D and Ghostbusters."
Mar 17, 2021
This is a movie with a lot of fanbase.
I do not doubt it. Few things improve a work of art's reputation so well as government censorship.
Ghost-depicting local works(such as old-school horror stories) are not banned and excerpts are included on the textbook.
Chinese laws prohibiting the advocacy of superstition in film go back to the first Chinese Film Censorship Law of Nov. 1930
The 24th Session of the 12th Standing Committee of the National People's Congress passed the most recent PRC Film Industry Promotion Law, effective March 1, 2017. Article 16 of that law stipulates that films must not contain content "inciting the undermining of national religious policy, advocating cults or superstitions."
On June 30 of the same year the China Netcasting Services Association issued a new set of guidelines controlling on all forms of audiovisual web content, including films. These guidelines prohibit the websites of the association's 600+ members (includinge CCTV, Phoenix Television, Hunan Television, Dragon Television, Jiangsu Television, Zhejiang Television, Tencent, Youku, IQiyi, Sohu, etc.) from displaying many things, including "Feudalistic ideology which is pseudoscience: spirit possession, reincarnation, witchcraft, etc."
Babe is banned because it illegal to depict talking animals in China.Zootopia is not banned.
True. Disney works very hard to appease the Chinese Govt. Zootopia was, however, strongly condemned by the People's Liberation Army.
“Chinese audiences should be aware of bias and distortions, even when watching animated films geared for children like the box-office hit Zootopia. In a world of cruel reality, it is always a wolf that eats a sheep instead of the other way around. Such a fundamental concept that even a child could understand was turned around by Hollywood. Hollywood has long been an effective propaganda machine for the US by using blockbuster films to promote US values and global strategy.”
I think by "banned" they just means they can't air it on official platforms. Movie theatres can't air banned movies and TV channels can't air banned shows.
What a shame.
As of what I have seen, those "banned shows" have achieved actually a huge fanbase because the government does not care about unofficial platforms like Bilibili. The government don't actually care so much about it, they merely released enough restrictions to convey the message of "I don't like this".
What a shame.
Please note, if any of my research is actually contradicted by your reporting, I will naturally defer to the first-hand testimony of a fellow DARTist as preferable to any second-hand media source. Thanks for your detailed response, Intel!
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@Wylted
Libertarianism is not so much the system of governance.....
in fact Libertarianism is not at all a system of government but rather a political philosophy about governance, stemming from Liberalism.
be it democracy or dictatorship,
again, no such thing as Libertarian dictatorship
[Libertarianism] exclusively defends negative rights and something akin to a night's watchmen type country.
That's quite wrong-headed. The night-watchmen state notion of governance is but a tiny subset of Libertarian thought, which is itself a small subset of Liberal thinking.
"In the United States, this form of government is mainly associated with libertarian and Objectivist political philosophy. In other countries, minarchism is also advocated by some non-anarchist libertarian socialists and other left-libertarians. The United Kingdom in the 19th century has been described by historian Charles Townshend as a standard-bearer for this form of government."
Libertarian philosophy pretty much is silent on the style of governance.
Since the night-watchmen state is defined as a style of governance, your own words have just contradicted you.
Oromagi, you don't understand libertarianism better than me.
That's objectively false. Your political notions are consistently inconsistent, disconnected from any scholarship, and mostly dependent on your compulsion to provoke.
I know in your mind a dictator in practice will never be able to resist using the amount of power they have. That's likely because every dictator you have seen has been pretty close to totalitarian. That doesn't mean that in theory, a libertarian dictator couldn't exist.
If the first 10,000 years of formal government proved incapable of producing such a model let's assume that model is very difficult to achieve and not worth waiting around for.
‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
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@Intelligence_06
I am no expert but didn't this movie end in the late 1990s?
Do you feel free to talk about censorship in China? If you choose to not respond I understand.
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@RationalMadman
Unsurprising. How can a well-ordered totalitarian state permit a narrative where the terrorists win?
But keep in mind this is progress in one sense. It's not like the Chinese have been watching Fight Club for twenty years and now changed the ending. No. The movie has been entirely banned since its original release and is now available to the Chinese for the first time.
The list of movies and tv shows banned in China is truly mind-boggling.
Back to the Future is banned because it is illegal to tell stories depicting time travel in China.
Babe is banned because it illegal to depict talking animals in China.
Pirates of the Caribbean is banned because it is illegal to depict ghosts in China.
Chinese authorities are constantly, relentlessly controlling Chinese thought by banning and altering media. The Chinese govt. permitted the recent Friends reunion show to be released after removing all references to Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, and BTS who are all, of course, banned in China.
In news that cannot be considered progress, this week, an all-Republican Kentucky school board banned the Pulitzer-Prize winning graphic novel Maus for depicting the Holocaust as something that happened.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I don't think we know the answer to that yet although I argue that homosexuality is likely to prove a particularly adaptive trait in social animal species. Biologists have observed same-sex behavior in more than 450 species with important correlations to animal societies. Homosexuality seems more prevalent in more social animals (dolphins, primates, elephants, etc).
I like one theory by Italian scientists that links a gene associated with lineages of very fertile and productive females with higher incidences of homosexuality in males with the same gene. That is, lineages with a history of large families may have adapted to produce extra males with traits making them less likely to reproduce as a way of increasing the adult to child ratio and supporting the fertile females. It's a nice theory although I don't think there's a lot of evidence to support it as yet.
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@Wylted
-->@oromagiYou are taking this off topic.
That's quite false. You brought up the oxymoron of Libertarian Dictators and I corrected your misunderstanding.
I asked about North Koreas motivations. You said a negotiating tactic, but negotiating over what?
Well, the other three Americans in North Korean custody at the same time as Warmbier were released on the announcement of the first ever North Korean-US Summit, the crowning diplomatic achievement of Kim Jong-Un's reign. It seems reasonable to assume that if Warmbier's health had not failed he would have been included in this group without much media attention.
Trump:
- agreed to never place nuclear weapons on the Korean penninsula
- ceased joint military exercises with South Korea
- promised that the US will never attack North Korea
- agreed to sign a peace treaty ending the Korean War (never happened)
- agreed to normalize official diplomatic ties between North Korea and US (never happened)
- agreed in principle that all US troops should be withdrawn from the Korean Penninsula (The Republican majority Senate passed a law weeks later prohibiting any such withdrawal, Kim interpreted this a broken promise and renounced his promises)
Kim:
- agreed to return American hostages
- agreed to stop manufacturing nuclear weapons (has built 8 new nukes since)
- agreed to return remains of 7,700 US soldiers left over from the Korean War (returned 1 dogtag and 340 remains of which 40 have been identified as US soldiers)
Trump forgot to mention Warmbier at the First North Korean-US summit but did remember to bring up the subject at the second North Korean-US summit in 2019. Kim said that he'd never heard of Warmbier and Trump stated that he would take Kim at his word (Warmbier had been tried and convicted for tearing down a poster by the North Korean Supreme Court on state television).
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@Lemming
Myself I would say no,Though that there are exceptions.
My mother was a psychiatric nurse who devoted her career to helping the homeless. She consistently advised me to never give money to the homeless, at least in any place where food and shelter was available. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are dual diagnosis- mentally ill and addicts. Their good judgement and self-control are extremely impaired. Giving an alcoholic or heroin addict $200 to spend in one night could well be a death sentence. Far better to invest in the caretaking facilities and charitable funds that tirelessly work with the homeless to de-escalate the self-destruction and locate a more permanent abode.
Once, a woman approached me, dressed only in a T-shirt and jeans in a snowstorm. She was crying and told me that her car had run of gas and that she was stranded and needed just $5 or $10 to help her get home. Unfortunately for her, I recognized her and said, "Your name is Melanie, right? You live five blocks that way. You've lived in the loft above mine for the last couple of years. I'm surprised you don't recognize me. I've been in your loft- it's a lot nicer than mine. Do you really think you should be out here taking money from people when you are living better off than most of them?"
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@Wylted
Only dictators that have a libertarian bend.
You don't understand what Libertarian means. Libertarians seek to minimize state power. Dictators by definition hold maximal state power.
Dictators, by definition, fear the freedom of their subjects and how such freedoms might be used to overthrow the dictatorship.
Negative rights are restrictions on state power and you can't put much in the way of restrictions on a dictator's power before they stop being a dictator. No dictator meeting the definition would possess a philosophy of negative rights or fail to suppress such ideals in his subject state.
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@Wylted
What incentive did north korea have to stage a video of otto stealing a propaganda poster?
Kim Jong-un wanted as hostage with which to negotiate. That how those dictators you admire so much do.
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@RationalMadman
all scientific knowledge is groupthink by definition. shame is in the hands of the ashamed.
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@Benjamin
Well said, Benjamin, and I agree with your concerns. This is not entirely a bad problem to have. Before the internet, we depended on responsible gatekeepers and a general, liberal, consensus to establish historic and scientific fact. While incredibly useful, the big truth was also difficult to challenge or correct. Now the truth is practically customizable to taste and what's real is far less easy to verify. I would like to a see an international, science-backed project on the scale and order of the IPCC working to present a single, vigorously curated and comprehensively verified source of factual information readily and feely available online. Something like a Wikipedia but sticking strictly to thoroughly verified, peer-reviewed and consensus factual information.
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@Bones
I don't think people beating their dicks are really going to be compelled by the opportunity to exercise cognitive functions.
You should read Joyce’s Ulysses
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@Wylted
I’m the Daddy. I’ll make you a sandwich but that’s because that’s what good daddies do.
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