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-->@oromagiWhere else are we going to find another Wylted?
Any Arby's parking lot in Northern Florida
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@TheUnderdog
The democrats want the undocumented here.
That's false. Democrats believe in paying employees a high minimum wage so, unlike Republicans, we have no use for undocumented labor to illegally underpay. As Donald Trump proves every day, demand for undocumented labor comes overwhelmingly from industries famously dominated by Republicans- mining, agriculture, meat packers, etc. As soon as Republicans like Trump stop hiring illegal labor, the undocumented will stop coming to America.
Democrats do demand that the undocumented peoples that are here be treated with basic Christian values- food, shelter, the fundamental human rights on which our nation is founded, etc.
But no, you are entirely wrong to think that Democrats want undocumented immigrants. We want to increase legal immigration but that's documented immigration. The problem of undocumented immigration is almost entirely in the hands of Republican Fatcats like Trump to resolve.
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@TheUnderdog
Republicans: We want to deport the undocumented. They are taking our jobs.
Democrats: That problem is easily and cheaply solved. Simply start locking up illegal employers as the source of the problem. Lock up a few illegal employers (Trump is the most famous scoflaw- the NY Times has documented that he harbored many undocumented workers at his golf clubs every year of his presidency) and the illegal employers will stop employing the undocumented. As soon as the (mostly Republican- meat packers, agricultural laborers, factory workers, miners) money dries up, the undocumented workers will have no reason to migrate to the US.
Republicans: .....um.....Let's build a wall!
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@Athias
We are given a choice of two doors with the information that behind one door lies a hungry tiger ready to pounce and behind the other is $100,000. You and I both observe 100 other people choosing between door A and door B. I note that 97 times out of 100, the tiger lies behind door A and the money lies behind door B and only 3% of the time does it happen the other way around. Based on that observation, I decide to go for door B since that is almost always the door with the money behind it. You state that those 100 people do not reflect your individual circumstance and choice and so you will ignore that data and choose door A. While we both agree that there are no guarantees, which of us is more likely to get eaten?
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@n8nrgim
usually what happens is liberals spout that trump has committed all these crimes, but if you notice, rarely can they back up what they are saying with specifics.
Well, Robert Mueller is a pretty traditional Conservative and his report very specifically documents 10 counts of felony obstruction of justice that would have put anybody except the POTUS in jail. The fact that the Republican Party refused to investigate those crimes doesn't mean they didn't take place.
There are, of course, hundreds of accusations of misconduct of various strength and concern.
The example I most often go back to is Michael Flynn because nobody denies the basic facts anymore.
- Michael Flynn was serving as a Russian and Turkish secret agent at the time Trump appointed him US National Security Advisor- making him the top spy in the US with more access to America's secrets than any other individual. Trump was aware of Flynn's status as a foreign spy at the time of his appointment. Knowingly, secretly giving foreign agents access to our most classified secrets is obvious criminal conduct as well as a "high crime and misdemeanor" and when the facts are not in dispute (as is the case here) should always lead to a fast and furious impeachment for any President.
- Michael Flynn was lying to the Federal Govt and to FBI investigators regarding his secret work for Russia and Turkey.
- The day after the 2016 election, Obama confidentially advised Trump that Flynn was under investigation for being a Russian secret agent
- On Jan 4th, 2017 Flynn confessed to Trump that he was in fact a secret Russian agent.
- Trump decided to appoint Flynn as the top US spy in the US three weeks later knowing full well that Flynn was a foreign agent and under investigation.
- This action alarmed the FBI who immediately interviewed Flynn and put him on record as denying that was secretly taking Russian and Turkish money- a fact the FBI had already established. The FBI Director then immediately put the Attorney General of the United States on notice that there was a Russian agent in the top spy job in the White House, the AG scheduled an emergency meeting with Trump's Chief of Staff and advised Trump that Flynn was a Russian spy.
- Trump fired the Attorney General within 24 hrs.
- Trump kept Flynn in office and stood by his appointment knowing full well that the accusations against him were true. As late as Feb 12th, Trump issued statements affirming that he had full confidence in Flynn, aware that Flynn was actively lying to espionage investigators. That's a felony all by itself but flat out lying to the American people about spies in the White House isn't a crime but it should get you fired instantly from any White House job for doing so.
- On Feb 13th, Flynn resigned from office.
- Trump said it was because Flynn lied to VP Mike Pence about working for the Russians but we now know that Trump had Flynn's confession 5 weeks earlier and was also lying to Pence.
- Flynn affirmed the above facts in two guilty pleas so Flynn is not denying the truth of any of this.
- Trump had to affirm Flynn's guilt in order to pardon him
- Trump pardoned Flynn of lying to FBI and the White House about being a secret agent for the Russian and Turkish governments on Nov 25th, 2020.
- By all accounts, Flynn spent most of his short tenure advising Russia regarding the border war in Ukraine. Now with 8,500 US troops facing 100,000 Russian soldiers across that, I kind of wish our top Intelligence officer had not been advising Putin with Trump's full knowledge and approval.
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@Ramshutu
the very fact that you’re complaining that statistics of a population don’t take into consideration granular unknowable individual personal risk changes or you specifically completely misses the entire point of statistics in the first place.
That's it in a nutshell. Well said.
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@Intelligence_06
I voted against the notion of a DART President in the September MEEP. Part of my concern was that in prior models of the office on DDO the annual elections created a primary source of drama and conflict. I agree with you that the position is entirely unwanted and unnecessary.
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@Athias
Yes, but those 97% odds are contingent on ecological inferences.
Yep, decades of excellent peer-reviewed studies but yes, those odds are based on inferences made from the general population and not calculated based on my personal charts as a three year old child.
they are lying to you--unwittingly or not. Because those odds aren't determined by your own physiology.
As Twain said- there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics. We can agree that a statistic cannot account for your individual circumstances but its a choice between some information that reflects reality as accurately as possible (while being entirely unable to account for your individual circumstance) and no reliable information at all. Its not like there's some option to have science calculate your individual odds based on DNA testing or something. The choice is some real information on which to make a decision or no real information on which to make an decision. And that absence of real information is a vacuum that sucks up a whole lot of stupid, money-grubbing bullshit. Anybody who is telling you that getting a vaccine doesn't improve your chances of surviving a virulent infection by that disease is lying to you.
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@Athias
And you're certain that a Measles vaccine would have prevented this?
Nothing in medicine is certain. The second dose of measles vaccine is 97% effective at preventing the kind of virulent manifestation that took my hearing. It's like having a shield in battle- it doesn't guarantee you'll survive but when arrows are raining down you will always wish you had one. I wish I'd had a chance at taking those 97% odds.
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@zedvictor4
I'm I just rotating my head 180 degrees or my whole body?
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@Athias
Do you have any appreciation for the "risks" involved with not getting a vaccine?
I lost the majority of my hearing to a childhood case of measles for which a vaccine was available. I guess that is where my appreciation of the risks stems from.
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If it were true that NATO’s mission was ideological and not strategic, then we would have dissolved NATO after Communism dissolved in 1990- but the second half of NATO’s history has demonstrated no ideological mission beyond improved democracy and has primarily featured Europe coming to America’s aid in crisis. We’d be a shitty friend to Europe indeed to spend European blood in Afghanistan for 20 years on the basis of that treaty and then instantly not give a shit when it’s Europe crisis six months later. I just can’t see a moral basis for such betrayal.
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@Mharman
And the Grand Alliance at the heart of Western Civilization, NATO, shall we respect our treaty obligations of the last 72 years there, that treaty we Americans wrote to preserve Europe from Russia? As NATO did for us for 20 years in Afghanistan?
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Just think of the volumes of Russian propaganda people like Dr.Franklin and Wylted must me getting carpet-bombed with right now.
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I'm not sure I'd qualify Somalia 2009 as "modern day." Keep in mind that's the bloody opening year of the Civil War that is still ongoing in that country- bombs and mortars were a daily event for people living in and around Mogadishu so I'm not sure that even a stoning would distinguish itself as any more barbaric than every day life. Essentially, you are talking about tribes of herdsmen and Sharia law is little more than what the tribal Chief makes it. Its a little redundant to say local Sharia law because Sharia sort of means the law left to local jurisdictions. Sharia might require stoning in one jurisdiction and forbid stoning in a neighboring jurisdiction even though both look at the same texts for justification.
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The most interesting article I read was some strategic analysis that basically said Putin was bluffing- what he wants is a micro-incursion, something on a small enough scale that it doesn't trigger a NATO emergency and Ukrainian retaliation. But to get that he was counting on big support from the ethnic Russian communities and he has lost that support completely. Putin is polling at less than 10% within the ethnic Russian communities of Ukraine. In the University city on the border, nearly 1 in 4 people spoke Russian in public just five and six years and now nobody ever speaks Russian in public- several ethnicities have combined in their fear of Russian invaders and the loss of their newborn democracy. Alternatively, Putin's polling amongst Russians is at an all time low and even though most Russians sort of believe that Ukraine is their cultural birthplace and of a right ought to be Russian, too many unhonored soldiers disappearing in Putin's many low-grade battlegrounds has made the notion of any new outright invasions deeply unpopular in the big cities. Further, the crisis in Kazakhstan has made Russia leary- they definitely want to keep Kazakhstan stable before risking Russian discontent.
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I think the CDC has consistently advised that any COVID Infection provides additional immunity beyond the vaccine and consistently advised against infection as a method of deliberately improving immunity. If you are relying on Youtubers to provide you medical information then I am not surprised you are getting many conflicting narratives. YouTube is not a reliable source of information. I would stick to the CDC and your state board of health for reliable, consistent COVID information.
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“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
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“Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts... perhaps the fear of a loss of power.”
― John Steinbeck
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“The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
― Tacitus
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“Whereas it appeareth that however certain forms of government are better calculated than others to protect individuals in the free exercise of their natural rights, and are at the same time themselves better guarded against degeneracy, yet experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, ....whence it becomes expedient for promoting the publick happiness that those persons, whom nature hath endowed with genius and virtue, should be rendered by liberal education worthy to receive, and able to guard the sacred deposit of the rights and liberties of their fellow citizens, and that they should be called to that charge without regard to wealth, birth or accidental condition of circumstance.”
― Thomas Jefferson
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“Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect any who seek it.”
― Frank Herbert
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“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.”
― George Orwell
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“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.”
― Ron Paul
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@Dr.Franklin
porn isnt accurate because of the environment. Your alone and pathetic watching other people do what you desperately want. It is sick and twisted by nature
Well, even if I agreed to all this it wouldn't speak much to whether the men popping boners over other men should be considered heteronormative or the degree to which porn viewers reflect society at large. A 2018 Psychology Today study of couples 18-35 years old in a relationship for more than a year found
"In terms of basic results, they found that 73 percent of women and 98 percent of men reported internet porn use in the last six months, for a total of 85 percent of respondents. For porn use within the last week, the numbers were lower: 80 percent of men and 26 percent of women. Prerecorded videos were the most common type of online porn used. For both men and women, those who reported using porn more often noted a greater perceived lack of control."
So setting aside the question of whether or not porn accurately reflects human sexuality, it seems that a significant majority of American men under 35 are viewing porn as frequently as once per week and that the majority of those men and nearly all the women are jerking off to videos exclusively featuring the same sex. It seems to me that homosexual attraction is an important component of heteronormative behavior. If you ask any army's HR dept, or the captain of any ship, or the Dean of any all boys school, etc you'll find that the more often and longer men are isolated together, the more likely they are to seek intimate contact with other men. Ask any psychologist and they'll confirm that most straight men that come to them have some concerns about their same sex attractions/fantasies. Ask any ER Nurse and they'll confirm the commonality of straight men who show up with penis shaped objects stuffed in their butts that they can't get out. I guess I'm arguing pretty much all women and at least the majority of men are privately attracted to individuals of the same sex so what does heteronormative even mean, really?
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@Wylted
In regards to crenshaw, he is being faulted for pretending to be a Christian when he thinks Jesus is fake, not for disbelief.
Given that one of any elected politicians main jobs is to represent and synthesize opposite and even mutually cancelling points of view, I don't generally fault politicians for hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is practically in the job description. Lincoln was an utter hypocrite when it came to the important issues of his day but he focused on the preservation of America as an democratic enterprise and experiment and is today remembered as our best president in spite of also being our most hypocritical president.
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@thett3
-->@oromagiSo we agree that no hard evidence exists. We can also agree that its rational to suppose that Christ existed. My point is that in the absence of such evidence how can you fault an individual for claiming fiction?Because it's not reasonable to demand "hard evidence" for the existence of a historical person, while excluding historical texts and context. That same standard would exclude many (most?) important historical figures.
And many of those undocumented figures receive some fictional treatment by history and science. Agamemnon was certainly a real King but we can't say if he really entered into Troy in a wooden horse and its reasonable to demand "hard evidence" before insisting that the Gift of the Greeks was non-fiction.
a cursory Google search doesn't reveal messiah claimants BEFORE Jesus. On Josephus:
There were multiple Essene prophets before Christ. The most famous is John the Baptist. Multiple early Christian-like cults worshipped John as the Messiah and lasted through the second century. One small group called the Mandeans continue to worship John as the Messiah today. Josephus does document John's beheading by Herod although he does not specifically identify John as a Messiah claimant or any interactions with a Messiah named Jesus. John's baptism of Jesus is almost certainly a second century artifact written to combine the followers of John and the remaining Essenes into a Christian tradition.
they are pretty clearly referencing the same person and the same events, with some minor differences.
So, for example, Jesus' descriptions of a hermaphroditic god in the Monad or Aeon traditions are are a minor difference from the all-male Father/God of later editors?
There is no strong contender for who the historical Robin Hood would have been or the exact time period where he supposedly operated. The same goes for other characters in the stories such as Little John or the Sheriff of Nottingham, whereas we know (as much as we can "know" anything about ancient history) that Pontius Pilate and the Disciples really existed.
So, very like Jesus we know that there were multiple contemporaneous biographies claiming the same name and role but we have no hard evidence for a single individual biography suggesting preferment. Like Jesus, many contradicting traditions and claims arose in the centuries after. Like Pontius Pilate, we know that some of the Govt officials mentioned in the text were real and contemporary. Like the disciples, contemporary individuals with names like Will Scarlett do appear in church records and census data around Nottingham. Sounds very analogous to me. I guess I'm not surprised that if that this is a question of faith for you that you might weigh the evidence with a different scale than I but I think it is very reasonable to assert these two cases as analogous- and, as I say, the one that doesn't involve faith gets called fiction without much controversy. Personally, I don't find much fault in applying the same perspective to an analogous character in an analogous body of literature.
Because I put a lot of stock in oral tradition I believe that Robin Hood and his merry men existed in at least some capacity, but the evidence for it is soooooo much weaker than for Jesus despite England being notorious for record keeping, and the alleged events being literally 1000+ years closer to today
I disagree but I don't think your opinion is irrational. A good case can be made for the historicity of jesus(es). I think your bias is that particular theory can't be called fiction but I see no evidence proving that the same theory must be treated as non-fiction and would not fault the use of that adjective to describe the Bible.
Which takes us back to the question of religious testing for Congresspersons. The first sentence of the First Amendment prohibits Congress from respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Since Crenshaw is prohibited by the Constitution from promoting Christianity publicly do you think its appropriate for constituents to demand such unconstitutional demonstrations? Do you think its appropriate for Citizens to be teaching 10 year old girls such unconstitutional practices?
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@thett3
What hard evidence would you expect from someone who died over 2000 years ago?
So we agree that no hard evidence exists. We can also agree that its rational to suppose that Christ existed. My point is that in the absence of such evidence how can you fault an individual for claiming fiction?
Josephus, the best historian closest to events, documents some fifty Jesus like figures claiming prophetic status in the decades contemporaneous with Christ's hypothesized lifetime and reading the Gnostic gospels pretty clearly demonstrates that more than one biography was recorded as Gospel by scattered and diverse Christian communities in the first century and slowly edited down to a single biography by the fourth century. While it is very reasonable to suppose that at least one Jesus-like figure claimed Messiah in the first century, the biography laid out in the bible seems to be a restless and inconsistent amalgamation. We know that there were multiple real biographies that claimed to be Robin Hood during John I's reign but we also know that Sir Walter Scott condensed and wove those stories into the popular re-telling we have no problem calling fiction today. I see no reason why the same standard should not apply to the Bible, where multiple biographies were interwoven, condensed and popularized into a single, more consistent work 300 years later.
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@thett3
Agree that no hard evidence exists proving Christ's existence. What hard evidence are you claiming?
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@badger
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I can also tell you Wylted refused a dick pic from me last night.
That's weird. He keeps asking me for mine.
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@Wylted
-->@oromagiYou know damn well, my views aren't reflective of the Republican party's.
I know. You like coups that succeed the first time.
There are a lot of democracies that fall, and the United States and other western countries ignore them.
Is that right, Mr. History Buff?
Are you beliefs consistent, should we have military intervention every time a democratic country is threatened with a coup or invasion?
I do think that the success and survival of our fellow democracies is part of the American mission, yes. The Ukraine should join NATO and the great Western Democracies should vow to defend Europe from yet another Russian Dictator's invasion. The age of Russian Invasions needs to come to an end if there's to be peace and prosperity in this world. Yes, America should help Europe fight for that.
Or are you just arguing in bad faith, because you believe the Ukraine is significant in some way and just don't feel like explaining that belief?
If you look at a map of Europe you see that Ukraine is one of a chain of the four large breadbasket countries of Europe arcing from Spain to the Steppelands: France, Germany, Poland, and Ukraine. Protecting Ukraine from Eastern Interests is protecting the integrity of Europe as a bulwark of Western Values. You can't be Pro-Europe without being Pro-Ukraine in the question of any Russian invasion, you can't be Pro-Western values without being Pro-Democracy in the question of any hostile invasion by Eastern empires.
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- On one side we have a rapidly autocratizing oil oligarchy with dreams of invading an independent sovereign nation- made and recognized as independent by the Russian Government itself.
- On the other side we have Europe's youngest democracy.
- Do we even need to ask which side Republicans are on?
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@Wylted
Where are you to defend this piece of shit, like you are when I call out democrats?
- Let's remember that when Dan Crenshaw says that Jesus is a fictional character he is reflecting the consensus of global history, anthropology, theology, and science: No hard evidence exists proving Jesus Christ's existence as a man on Earth in history. So, let's take a deep breath and remind ourselves that Crenshaw is the only one speaking the well-established American wisdom to that girl and all the haters are mad because Crenshaw didn't assert a non-fact as a fact to a young child in the audience.
- I say American wisdom because Crenshaw is the only American in the room who remembers that we Americans traditionally, conservatively value that absence of religious tests to our political choices, however real such prejudices remain.
- I agree that an Ivy League Navy Seal Commander who lost an eye for his country is not exactly the Republican "type" anymore , much more John McCain 2.0 than Orange Man Bad. It's at the point where you can't be loyal and Republican both.
- Let's note that this is really about Crenshaw's disgust and dismay at the many Republican treasons of Jan 6th, 2021 is at the heart of this criticism. Again, Crenshaw tells another truth that the Republican Party is no longer capable of hearing.
- Fuck Dan Crenshaw. Pirate-looking fascist fucktard. Any assholes who supported Trump lies regarding the election right up to Jan 6th can lose their jobs for lying to their people, however improved their character by the knowledge that they risked their careers to call Trump's treason treachery when they saw it right before their eyes.
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I think we should make more of a distinction between immigrant labor and citizenship.
- We should be able to fulfill our labor needs without necessarily offering a pathway to citizenship for every migrant laborer.
- Because of our very long shared borders, I think Mexico, the US, and Canada should form a single border security/asylum claim/migrant labor processing entity run by all 3 nations.
- All Mexican, Canadian, and American citizens should be eligible and legal to accept any job legally within this trade agreement zone.
- We might consider a single minimum wage/labor law agreement for all members of this zone.
- Legal ports of entry for migrant labor should be limited and prepared to house and feed large numbers during processing- think 4 or 5 Ellis Islands for legal labor entry to North America.
- Illegal immigration should be treated as crime committed by employers and criminal enforcement should concentrate on illegal employers rather than illegal employees. This would rapidly eliminate illegal immigration as a social problem.
- Some people may choose to work their whole careers successfully in the US without seeking citizenship and with the intention of retiring to birthplace. This should be just fine.
We should maintain a high standard for a path to citizenship but the total number of annual, eligible citizens should be more of economic decision than a political decision.
- Prioritize, actively recruit, highly talented/educated migrants seeking a new homeland.
- Recruit more based on individual skill sets, less based on family connections
- 6+ years military service should be a fast track to citizenship.
- 20+ years as a legal labor migrant with no criminal history should also be prioritized
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@Danielle
-->@oromagiI don't get the 3 years old thing?
Yeah, I guess that's not too clear. I was just saying the best argument for heteronormative is keeping it simple for very young people. The younger the simpler. I'm okay with not getting too deep into gender variation until kids are old enough to ask.
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@Wylted
I have had sex with an embarrassing amount of women,
To the extent that even"one" can be an embarrassing amount of women to have had sex with, I am willing to suspend disbelief here.
and damn near every one was down to bring another girl into bed with us. The male on male stat is shocking to me though, and now I am assuming it has something to do with the gaying of society,
Naw, when you study history you slowly realize that humanity has always been pretty gay. The variations are more about secrecy and taboo then prevalance of same sex attraction.
that I indicated in my other thread. The Russians want us to be gay, because it is easier to fight lady boys.
You should read your Plato. SInce Socrates, most military historians will agree that sex bonding makes for the deadliest military teams. The more elite the fighting group, the higher incidence of intra-male sex- not necessarily a lot of sucking and fucking but a lot of intimacy and touch bonding. Sexually bonded fighting groups are less likely to break ranks or leave others behind.
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@Dr.Franklin
porn isnt real life
So you are saying that so long as men are popping boners over other men in a fantasy setting, then that's perfectly heteronorm? The boners are still real, right?
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The logic is the loyalty test. Anti-vaxxers get extra credit on their conspiracy theory credentials for risking their family's life and well-being in order to demonstrate club membership. Club membership gets you a feeling of belonging in an age of alienation and gives less educated folks the opportunity to speak authoritatively and expertly (if inaccurately) on a topic they can understand. Anti-vax belief reinforces the losers' conviction that they would be winners if society were not out to get them and grants them justification for just about any anti-societal act or belief those losers care to demonstrate.
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Defending: "I'm 3 years old"
Attacking: "Prisons, schools, armies- as soon as you make an environment 100% one sex, the rate of gay incidents goes through the roof. Also, generalized porn viewing statistics report that a strong majority of men and women view and are aroused by member of their same sex. Women close to 100% aroused by women. 60-70% of men are aroused by other men. Statistically speaking, exclusively hetero is a pretty small minority of humanity."
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I am voting for 3RU7AL as the only remaining candidate who has demonstrated some recent investment of time and energy with our community. I also agree with 3RU7AL's perception of the position as holding primarily an ombudsman's responsibilities
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Let's accept Greyparrot's absence of any retort as his confession to telling at least the six falsehoods I have demonstrated.
- When Greyparrot entitles his forum "Stacey Abrams leaves the 30 percenters" Greyparrot is lying.
- When Greyparrot claims that Abrams snubbed Biden, Greyparrot is lying.
- When Greyparrot claims that Biden is racebaiting, Greyparrot is lying.
- When Greyparrot claims that Abrams said she had better things to do, Greyparrot is lying
- When Greyparrot claims that an ex-official of a State NAACP office represents the opinion of Abrams or the NAACP, Greyparrot is lying
- When Greyparrot claims that an ex-staffer of Rep. Cortez (D-NY) office represents the opinion of Abrams or the NAACP, Greyparrot is lying
These falsehoods begin with Donald Trump, the most prolific liar in history, who Greyparrot slavishly obeys in all matters.
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Woodall and the NAACP of Georgia also declined to join the president and vice president on Tuesday.
This is a FOURTH lie. Woodall is a former President of the NAACP and live in New York City. He was not particularly invited or expected to travel to Atlanta. Most ACTIVE members of NAACP leadership, National and State were in attendance. To find one former out-of-State member who didn't attend and then falsely suggest that therefore the active, current membership did not attend is shitty, stupid thinking.
Greyparrot=Liar
They had BETTER things to do.
This is your fifth lie. In fact, the active, current President of the NATIONAL NAACP did attend Biden's speech, flew in special for it. Here's is the current, active National President's response to BIden's speech:
"Our democracy stands in its final hour. Unless President Biden applies the same level of urgency around voting rights as he did for BBB and infrastructure, America may soon be unrecognizable. While President Biden delivered a stirring speech today, it's time for this administration to match their words with actions, and for Congress to do their job. Voting rights should not simply be a priority — it must be THE priority."
Greyparrot=Liar
“Biden is deeply unpopular. He’s old as shit. He’s largely been ineffective, unless we’re counting judges or whatever the hell inside-baseball scorecard we’re using. And I think he’ll probably get demolished in the midterms. People will smell opportunity, and D.C. is filled with people who want to be president.”
-Corbin Trent
This is Greyparrot's sixth lie. Corbin Trent is not a part of Stacey Abrams or the NAACP. Corbin is a white man living in New York City who once worked as a staffer on Alexandria Occasio-Cortez's first campaign. I guess Greyparrot thinks that he can find any old Democratic party member and pretend that Stacey Abrams must think like that person. While we have established that the Republican Party works like that, the Democratic Party is chock full of diverse and even contradictory opinion. Every Democrat thinks differently from every other Democratic.
Greyparrot = Liar
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Dear readers let it be known that it is factually true that Abrams did not show up to share the stage with Biden as she had better things to do.
While it is true that Stacey Abrams did not attend the event,
- that Stacey Abrams "snubbed" the event is a lie, she expressed her full throated support for the the event.
- Donald Trump said this, not Stacey Abrams
- that Stacey Abrams "leaves" the Biden Camp or indicated less support is a second lie .
- Donald Trump indicated this, not news reporting.
- that Abrams had "better things to do" is a third lie.
- Donald Trump said this, not Stacey Abrams
- We know that Greyparrot swallows every drop that Donald Trump ejaculates his way but Greyparrot ought to check his facts and be held accountable for the vast quantities of Trumpish disinformation he spreads.
- Greyparrot = Liar
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As is always true of everything GreyParrot posts on this site, this is just another god-damned lie that Donald Trump had duped his brainless zombies into repeating.
BY MONIQUE BEALS - 01/11/22 07:58 PM EST
Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams (D) thanked President Biden for a speech on voting rights that he gave in Georgia Tuesday amid speculation over why she hadn't attended."I thank @POTUS and @VP for returning to Georgia to continue their steadfast advocacy for passage of federal legislation to protect the freedom to vote. They made clear again today that they are committed to restoring the Senate to safeguard our democracy," Abrams said in a tweet on Tuesday.Her statement came after Biden on Tuesday confirmed his support for changing the Senate's policies to allow voting rights legislation to pass with a simple majority instead of the 60-vote threshold that is currently required."While I was not able to attend today’s event, the President and I connected by phone this morning," Abrams added in another tweet. "We reaffirmed our shared commitment to the American project of freedom and democracy, as he did in his remarks today here in Georgia.""We must pave the way for swift Senate passage, because as President Biden declared today, if Republicans continue to prevent passage of legislation to protect the freedom to vote, 'we have no option but to change the Senate rules, including getting rid of the filibuster,'" she also said.Earlier on Tuesday, former President Trump criticized Abrams for her absence at the event as he repeated false claims of fraud in the 2020 presidential election.“Stacey Abrams helped Biden steal the 2020 Election in Georgia but now she won’t even share a stage with Joe,” Trump said in a statement.“Stacey knows that Biden actually lost BIG in Georgia, and in the 2020 Presidential Election as a whole, and he’s been so terrible she now wants nothing to do with him,” he added.Though Biden voiced his support for advancing the Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, some Democrats, including Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.), have opposed doing away with the filibuster, a move they say could backfire if Republicans regain the majority in the next election.
Like his master, Greyparrot is only interested in repeating disinformation and has proved constitutionally incapable of acknowledging the truth. Be sure to disregard everything Greyparrot ever says.
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@3RU7AL
-->@oromagiThere is no question that Locke, Madison, Hamilton, would call for Trump & Co. to hang for their many treasons (Russian and otherwise) from the cherry trees lining the Reflecting Pool before the Lincoln Memorial.would that happen to include the capital police who opened the doors for the protesters ?in 33 seconds,
That is a false interpretation of the video. In fact, the video does not show any police opening the door, merely standing by resignedly as the doors are again opened by rioting seditionists from the inside. Keep in mind this video [First tweeted by OAN's Christina Bobb on Jan 8th] was taken about five minutes after the upper west doors were breached, the seventh of eight breaches in the Capitol's defenses that afternoon and more than two hours after the rioting seditionists first breached the Capitol. By the time this video was taken, these police had engaged in at least three prior violent clashes and were now essentially surrounded by the enemy attack.
So, no. I would not hang these men. They may have been defeated that day but they were not trying to overthrow America Democracy.
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"Whenever the Legislators endeavor to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common Refuge, which God hath provided for all Men, against Force and Violence. Whensoever therefore the Legislative shall transgress this fundamental Rule of Society; and either by Ambition, Fear, Folly or Corruption, endeavor to grasp themselves, or put into the hands of any other an Absolute Power over the Lives, Liberties, and Estates of the People; By this breach of Trust they forfeit the Power, the People had put into their hands, for quite contrary ends, and it devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty."
And which Legislators endeavored on Jan 6th to take away and destroy the Property of the People (US Capitol) and to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power (by knowing falsification of voting results and usurpation of the democratic vote)?
That was Donald Trump, Meadows, Cruz, Greene, Brooks, Boebert, Cawthorne, Gohmert, Gosar, Biggs, etc.
There is no question that Locke, Madison, Hamilton, would call for Trump & Co. to hang for their many treasons (Russian and otherwise) from the cherry trees lining the Reflecting Pool before the Lincoln Memorial. Make no mistake which side the People are on and which side a corrupt and compromised political party.
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@Wylted
sedition is not disloyal.
By definition it is.
American citizens have an obligation to be loyal to the principles of John Locke, whose ideals this country was founded on.
John Locke was a 17th Century English citizen who would be offended by the suggestion that Americans should swear loyalty to him. Locke's ideas certainly had a strong influence on our US Constitution as did many others. Madison and Hamilton arguably had the most influence on the US Constitution but either would be revolted by the notion of swearing loyalty to an individual's ideals rather than to "We the People" and the government we formed. Some people just don't understand democracy and are constantly looking for another king to swear oaths to. This is a total misunderstanding of the American experiment and again, inherently disloyal.
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@Wylted
All READERS except for you will already understand that there is no relationship between my claim and your distortion of that claim.
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