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@Wylted
-->@oromagiSo your claim is corporations are not in the business of making money?Or is your assertion that they are altruistic and would never ever engage in social engineering to increase profits?
All READERS except for you will already understand that there is no relationship between my claim and your distortion of that claim.
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POLITICAL DISAGREEMENT is "A condition of not agreeing in a political context"
PROTEST is "To make a strong objection"
SEDITION is "Overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or insurrection against, established authority."
Most political disagreement and protest is loyal protest and disagreement. Sedition is explicitly disloyal.
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. What single word might you use to label such a direction?
I already used the word- "advice."
Seems like a distinction without a difference to me.
Not to me. It's the distinction between telling somebody to listen to their Math teacher and to use long division. The former is advice, the latter is instruction.
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@Wylted
Let's be clear, Ray Epps is a Senior Leader of the white supremacist Oath Keepers. Like almost all high ranking members of most white supremacist organizations, Epps is probably a confidential informant for the FBI. Since most White Supremacists are people of little moral fiber by definition and most professional White Supremacists are frequent felons, the FBI has always found it pretty easy to keep close tabs on these clowns by throwing around a little cash and/or legal considerations. That doesn't make Epps an FBI agent any more than paying a drug dealer for a little information makes a drug dealer a cop. But for the same reasons that a cop is never going to testify that he paid a drug dealer for information, the FBI is never going to snitch on one of their CI's just because some fat treasonous weasel in the Senate asks the question.
SInce the Trump Organization is widely composed of white supremacists and white supremacists are very commonly paid to snitch on their fellow white supremacists, it is reasonable to assume that large portions of Trumpism and Republican leadership generally serve as confidential informants for the FBI. We know for a fact that Roger Stone, Carter Page, Stefan Halper, etc all informed the FBI while working for Trump. Jeffrey Epstein was an FBI informant during all the long decades he and Trump were party partners in Manhattan and Miami. Let's assume that most Trumpists are snitches by nature and that any that might have information of value to the FBI have probably already been easily co-opted for the smallest of considerations. It doesn't make these bitches any less treasonous when they attacked the Capitol on Jan 6th.
Toad Cruz might just have easily asked if Wylted or Jesus Christ was an FBI agent or confidential informant and Sanborn would have been legally required to give the same answer. Knowing this, Cruz corruptly exploits Sanborn's legal restrictions to misinform the public and imply some false narrative regarding Federal participation. This single act alone disqualifies Cruz as a worthy US Senator or even just as a loyal American. Only the very, very dumb or the willfully misinformed would fall for Cruz's sick trick.
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@3RU7AL
- Is this technically feasible?
- Would mutual intra-invisibility render some forums unintelligible? That is, in some conversations with a lot of masked out replies, do we risk making forums hard to follow because of lack of connected replies?
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Strong evidence that Wylted's understanding of Economics is just as pre-adolescent as his understanding of human sexuality.
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@cristo71
- disagree
- "Listen to the Science" is not an admonishment, per se. The phrase just asdvises folks to "pay attention to the body of collected data regarding this subject."
- That you are misinterpreting the phrase as an admonishment or an imperative to obey is not supported semantically. Therefore, the problem lies in your misinterpretation.
- Almost every use of human language brings with it some underlying ideological agenda- that's just human nature and no reason to change the usage of ordinary phrases.
- Let's hold people accountable for the actual semantic meaning of the words and phrases they use, rather than any non-standard interpretation by any individuals.
- "Use the Science" is far more imperative semantically than "Listen to the Science." Listening happens before decision-making and doesn't necessarily influence the decision whereas "Use the Science" implies a specific course of action. Therefore, "Use the Science" is far closer in meaning to "Obey the Science" than "Listen to the Science."
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@Barney
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@MisterChris
I would like to see a MEEP on the legitimacy of the present election. I see little relationship between the presidential process that MisterChris outlined and DART approved in September and the election as it is being conducted now. As far as I can tell, the present process has not been approved by DART and enjoys little legitimacy that members of DART ought to respect.
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@ILikePie5
Let's recall that you spoke of Jan 6th defendants as "being thrown in jail still without a trial" as if their habeus corpus rights were being violated and described George Floyd rioters as being instantly released.
If you did not mean to imply that habeus corpus was being violated and were just surprised many defendants still haven't set their trial date a year after the crime then you know less about the American Criminal Justice system than I assumed and I guess aren't aware that most of that delay comes from the defendant's end of things, since the 6A restricts the state from unnecessary delays.
This fails even worse by comparison with George Floyd rioters. Since all Jan 6 charges are Federal charges and Federal courts move much swifter than state charges, we can say with confidence that in raw numbers or by percentage, more George Floyd rioters are still waiting for a trial date to be set than Jan 6th insurrectionists.
Your original point that George Floyd rioters got punished less than insurrectionists is not true. The average sentencing for George Floyd felons is proving to be about 18 times as long as Jan 6th felons.
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@ILikePie5
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@Fruit_Inspector
Padilla's next court appearance is Jan 26 10:00 in Judge John D Bates courtroom. If Padilla has been complaining about a speedy trial, we might note that Padilla has injected considerable delays into his trial process by requesting that he be tried in DC. The Fed's planned to try him in TN near to his wife and home but Padilla requested a move to one of the most overburdened courts in the US with an overburdened jail. It looks like this is some sort of tactic since he now regularly complains about the conditions of the jail he insisted on being moved to.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiThis is, of course, a lie.Please identify one insurrectionist who is being held without a trial date- just flat out false.Jose Lino PadillaI encourage you to find a trial date for him.
Padilla's next court appearance is Jan 26 10:00 in Judge John D Bates courtroom. If Padilla has been complaining about a speedy trial, we might note that Padilla has injected considerable delays into his trial process by requesting that he be tried in DC. The Fed's planned to try him in TN near to his wife and home but Padilla requested a move to one of the most overburdened courts in the US with an overburdened jail. It looks like this is some sort of tactic since he now regularly complains about the conditions of the jail he insisted on being moved to.
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@RationalMadman
Are you saying that X-men is racism too since they're above humans in ability?
Stan Lee specifically wrote the X-men in reaction the US civil rights movement, so yes, obviously.
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@ILikePie5
I found it hilarious that when people start breaking stuff in the place they give power and hold influence over there’s a select committee created, hundreds thrown in jail still without a trial, and political outcries from both parties.But when rioters destroy the property of other ordinary Americans, they instantly get released, politicians bail them out, and it is labeled a just cause.My biggest takeaway is the same it has always been. Rules for thee but not for me.
This is, of course, a lie.
Please identify one insurrectionist who is being held without a trial date- just flat out false.
Of the 14,000+ arrests in the weeks after George Floyd, more than 80% were non-violent misdemeanors. The most common felony charges have been arson and looting and the majority of those convictions were young white men with no political agenda beyond setting fires and stealing shit. In the small number of cases where political motivation has been discerned, extreme right-wingers substantially outnumber leftists. Prosecutions are still in process but in spite of the insurrectionists demonstrating far more violence and destruction on a per capita basis than the Floyd rioters, the average sentencing for a Floyd felon has been 27 months compared to a paltry 45 days for the right-wingers who tried to overturn the Constitution.
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In Harry Potter, humans are divided into 5 major classifications based on parentage. Unlike the real world, these genetic inheritances manifest in terms of real differences in power and ability.
Muggles
Squibs
Muggle-borns
half-bloods
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Pure bloods
Harry and his friends might regularly protest how unfair such racial differences are but that doesn't change the fact that those racial difference translate into real power and ability. Racial differences are important sociologically and physiologically.
The most magical individuals are permitted to attend special private schools where they are taught to exploit their racially superior characteristics. Most superior humans are discouraged from even interacting with inferior majority of humans. The oldest families maintain great estates and enjoy the lifelong devoted servitude of a non-human but sentient race of house elves. Few muggles are depicted in any of the books and the top three most regularly depicted in the books are all horrible human beings- stupid, selfish, greedy, easily frightened.
As mentioned, the goblins of Gringotts are short, long nosed, big eared ugly humanoids with a seeming exclusive interest in money- John Stewart remarked just yesterday that the goblins were straght of illustratons from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
All the humanoids are depicted as preferring the rulership of the Wizard class.
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The Confessions of Nat Turner by William Styron
The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne
Le Morte d'Arthur by Thomas Mallory
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@Wylted
Space oddysey 2001 is a movie you can only enjoy while on acid.
When people ask why was no great monument built to mark the Moon Landing my answer is, they did- 2001 A Space Odyssey. However, I don't think 2001 can properly be thought of as having a fandom. The movie was made ten years before Star Wars redefined mass marketing. There is no "2001: A Space Wiki" for example. I could write 100,000 words on 2001 today if called upon but I don't think that movie meets Badger's criteria.
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The first book and a half of Dune are good. The rest is one big galactic wank.
If you missed the God-Emperor of Dune millennia in the future, mostly worm and suffering, surrounded by all lesbian armies in a verdant Arrakis, re-cloning Duncan Idaho every 30 years and making him his majordomo knowing that as soon as Idaho's memories kick in he will try to assassinate the God again- then you've missed the best part.
The prescience stuff is pure nonsense. Literally unreadable.
I'd say you missed the point. The point? If competent and moral people possessed perfect knowledge of the future and used that knowledge to control all of humanity with an active religion, a real god, a just government would humanity be any better off? The answer is no- humanity would stagnate.
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Harry Potter was entirely unoriginal pastiche. Over-written, exceedingly repetitious, cliched and the muggles vs magical dynamic teaches children that its much better to be part of the superior race.
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@badger
You’re not alone. I tested positive on Dec 30th and have been pretty sick since- high fever, very tired, congested and achy. Missed beef bourguignon dinner and murder mysteries. I’d feel sorry for myself but 1000 homes burned down in the space of an hour just ten miles north of me the other day so I am counting my blessings
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1.) Have you heard there is an election going on for the Presidency of DART? Yes or No?
yes
2.) Have you heard of candidate Wylted, candidate RationalMadman, both, or neither?
both
3.) What issues do you believe are most important in this race for President? Name as many as you’d like.
- representation of constituent interests
- whether democratically approved mod enforcement policies are binding or merely suggestions that mods may ignore at will. That is, whether "community plays such an important role in the project's development" or that's just a slogan we put on our landing page without much sincerity.
6.) If the election were held today, would you vote for candidate Wylted, candidate RationalMadman, unsure, or neither?
According to the MEEP we democratically approved in Sept, the election should have wrapped up yesterday and a new President announced today. I'm still not sure how our democratically approved process was so easily derailed but my first expectation of our new president is an investigation into that derailment and the expedient restoration of democratic processes to moderation policies.
As Wylted has repeated many times on this site, he personally despises all democracies and frequently expresses contempt for most democratic processes. I am forced to assume Wylted's pretense at participating in this democratic process is a ruse preluding some kind of attempt at sabotage. Certainly, I don't see any chance that he might share or represent my interests in this site's well-being going forward. You wouldn't appoint a football coach who hated football. You wouldn't appoint a judge who despised the law. Similarly, Wylted is entirely unqualified to represent this site's community interests.
RationalMadman shares my interest and investment in both the debates and forum sides of this site and remain the single most experienced partipant on this site. As such, RationalMadman has my full-throated support for the office of President.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If anyone is interested in a second game let me know. I would not mind doing another go as either a mod or a player myself.
Interested. I would recommend a much quicker pace to game play.
Are spies able to talk to one another?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I propose that my team consist of myself, ILikePie5, and WhiteFlame
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Islamophobia is the fear of, hatred of, or prejudice against the religion of Islam or Muslims in general. I'd argue that there is no "right use" for bigotry. Generalizations on such a scale rapidly multiply inaccuracies.
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@thett3
I would honestly be interested in hearing from a sincere progressive about what they think of San Francisco.
GP's request for safe space protection from my opinion prevents me offering my opinion here.
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Capitalism is a tool. No tool is inherently evil. Only humans have morality and only humans can violate any moral code.
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@whiteflame
Based on both Earth's decision and RM's response to it, I'm much more firmly in the "Earth is a Spy" camp.
I think I agree here.
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@RationalMadman
-->@oromagi @SupaDudzEarth is voting 'yes' to a mission with me on it, what does this mean?
Good question. If Earth is Res, then he should be the only Res that can say with confidence that RM is a spy. If he knows for certain that RM is a spy then he should never vote for any team with RM on it.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiyes I read it. Pie has some feelings about some things. got it.What sounds illogical to you?
Not illogical so much as there's just not enough data to bring logic to bear. The fact that you are proceeding with confidence based on such paucity makes you seem more sus. For us non-spies, any choice at this point seems like a stab in the dark. My experience is that Earth is no easy read and WF and Supa both seem to be playing their scum game (WF defensive, Supa absent) so you all look like scum to me atm. My preference is a team without you or RM on it, so I'm looking to back a WF+Supa+Earth+me team.
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@ILikePie5
Did you even both reading Post 50?
yes I read it. Pie has some feelings about some things. got it.
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@ILikePie5
I think I've been clear- Pie and RM are my two top spy reads. Therefore, I support a team with me and my 3 top Res reads.
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why do islam fears satire [?]
I think that just holds true for conservatives generally.
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@ILikePie5
Free speech means being allowed to say what you want to say.....Same thing with a restraining order that’s used to gauge harrassment. If you aren’t allowed to comment on GP’s forum posts, I believe you should be allowed to.
Well you were a participant in the very conversations that GP called bullying and are better positioned than any other debateartist to testify that I was in no way threatening or abusive and that GP's requests for safe space protection was both inappropriate and contradictory to the spirit of this site, but for more than a year you've allowed GP's injustice to stand. To clarify, the restraint is voluntary at the request of Mods and is there has been no suggestion of official enforcement. Still, I feel compelled by good citizenship to abide by that moderated request, however unfair and based in deception the initial complaint. This is precisely the kind of safe space protection from criticism that you claim to abhor in academia but then fail to criticize when enjoyed by your friends.
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-->@RationalMadmanOro dumbtold, Supa literally used a team guaranteed to fail.Oro and dumb especially with respect to rules of a game is an oxymoron
That's easily the nicest thing Pie has ever said about me.
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I might also remark that the limitations on free speech for a site like this are necessarily more restrictive than those we might endorse on a national political scale. Ultimately, excessively free speech is what killed debate.org and excessively free speech is still what makes DDO useless to our purposes even today. As a Liberal, I am committed to making a free speech a priority but not at the expense of safety or good will or utility. I suppose one can use one's freedom of speech to denounce the First Amendment specifically or Democracy or Liberalism generally but such nihilistic self-contradictions are the arguments of the Joker, not Madison.
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@Lemming
-->@oromagiWhat Have The Romans... - Monty Python's Life of Brian - YouTube
Love that bit
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@ILikePie5
I was under the impression that mods had to announce it.
Don't know why. Here's what we voted about in September:
ElectionThe President shall be elected for a yearly term each December, to be formally instated January 1st of the following year. The first three weeks of December will be dedicated to optional campaigning, and the rest of the month will be dedicated to the election process, all of which will be overseen and managed by moderation.
The terms of the election make no mention of waiting for mods to announce or delay beyond the first three weeks of December should no announcement be forthcoming. All of this eleventh hour new rule-making is news to me.
I’m sure you’re going to vote for my opponent who has a history of opposing free speech
While I agree that RM's history regarding free speech is somewhat checkered (he has blocked me three times, for example, and I am nothing if not harmless), I still rank RM as superior to you in the matter of free speech on this site.
That's because RM's positions on free speech are reliably self-interested and personal while you have a history of only promoting free speech you agree with and remaining silent in the defense of free speech you despise. When greyparrot made his false and cowardly accusations of bullying against me just to relieve himself of the burden of having to rebut my critiques, I specifically asked you to condemn your bff greyparrot's fake defanations and you lol'ingly declined. A debateartist truly commited to free speech would have encouraged greyparrot to give up his unfair censorship and welcomed the refinement of ideas in the crucible of argument, even knowing that little of what greyparrot says can stand up to reasoned inquiry. I truly believe that you would be an ardent supporter of free speech on behalf of thett or DrFranklin but I have little faith that you would take the same principled stand on behalf of FLWR or RM. I think RM would stand up for most debateartist's freedom of speech, including yours, so long as that freedom did not cross his own self-interest. I call that preferable to political or factional interest.
So, while I'd give you both a downcheck on the pursuit of free speech, I think RM's interests are objectively more fair-minded than yours.
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I would like to see where are those mentioned in the quran and hadith ?
Let's recall that your topic is "unmentioned scientific discoveries in islam" and not "unmentioned scientific discoveries in the Quran and Hadith"
I can't think of any actual scientific discoveries related in any major religious text- the Bible or Upanishads, Book of Mormon, etc. and would not expect to find any in the Quran.
Islam is, of course, far more than just a couple of religious books just as Christianity is more than the Bible.
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@ILikePie5
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Well, from my perspective the election has been running for three weeks and is easily the least divisive project ever devised for this site: one candidate with no sign of opposition. It's as if George Washington is running. If that's the result of zero care and letting things run rampant, I guess I'm okay with it.
I was under the impression that mods had to announce it. I’m running officially, though I’m sure you’re going to vote for my opponent who has a history of opposing free speech
My point is that mods did announce it in September. Now, three weeks deep into the announced election the rules have changed- new time frames, new primaries. Seems like a fairly corrupt way to go about it.
I consider you a fine candidate for President although you are right, I am endorsing RM. While you have a significant history on the forums, you have little experience or history on the debate side of this site, which I consider our core function. Nobody can claim more experience in debating+voting on this site than RM and RM also has significant investment in the forums, mafia side. Outside of mods, nobody has a more well rounded perspective on our needs and capacities than RM.
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unmentioned scientific discoveries in islam
musical scales, modern numbers, algebra, and the zero. praise Allah.
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unmentioned scientific discoveries in islam
surgery, sutures, and hospitals. praise Allah.
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unmentioned scientific discoveries in islam
dental hygiene, praise Allah.
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unmentioned scientific discoveries in islam
coffee, praise Allah.
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