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Hooray for the successful launch of the James Webb Telescope. Think of all the new exoplanets and distant galaxies we'll get to see!
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My kindergarten teacher was the widow of one of the astronauts who died in Apollo 1. She played us film of the crash and spent a day teaching us the importance and value of such sacrifices in the name of science and progress.
So....not really lol, no.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiR u runninhv
who me? nah.
I opposed the position initially and while I'm willing to voice my support for the majority will and democratic tradition, actually applying for a job that I deemed unnecessary seems a bit contrary. Besides which, I'm not sure I could fairly represent all debateartists. For example, I don't really think I could fairly represent greyparrot's interests so long as he has me blocked and falsely accuses me of bullying. I think I could set most political and personal divisions aside for the purposes of fair representation but I'd have a hard time lending any credence to people actively, unfairly defaming my reputation on the site.
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@Vader
-->@oromagiSadly yes. I'd rather have an election where moderation as a whole can moderate it more fully versus letting it run rampant. It's never happened before but would you rather have an election which would have 0 care put into it or one with care put into it
Well, from my perspective the election has been running for three weeks and is easily the least divisive project ever devised for this site: one candidate with no sign of opposition. It's as if George Washington is running. If that's the result of zero care and letting things run rampant, I guess I'm okay with it.
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So, we've established that it is false to say that Feminists defend Islam but not Christianity. I think the evidence is pretty clear that Western women do not prefer Islam over Christianity but probably invest more energy criticizing the majority faith that impacts their law and society rather than a minority faith with little influence over their daily lives.
Interestingly, a 1997 study of American women found that religiously observant Muslim women were far more likely to identify as Feminists and more likely to argue that Islam is consistent with Feminism. Since Christian women were less likely to identify as Feminists and more likely to say that civil rights for women was inconsistent with Christianity, seems the question is why do modern Christian American women value their worth in their society and faith less than Muslim American women? Even a cursory study of early Christianity reveals that women comprised the majority of early Christians and women were far more essential to the development of that faith than any other World religion so why are modern Christian women so disconnected from their long and storied Feminist tradition?
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@Vader
(NEXSTAR) – Christmas is near, and in Japan that means that many families will be heading out together to pick up their feast for the celebration … from KFC.
The popular American fast food restaurant has been embedded in Japanese Christmas culture dating back to the 1970s, according to KFC Japan, which sees its highest sales of the year during the holiday. Christmas Eve has traditionally been KFC’s busiest single day of the year – with roughly 10 times more customers than normal.
Google reports that every December there is even a spike in KFC-related searches in the country.
While the Japanese population is only about 1% Christian, the holiday is a big – if slightly different – deal than it is in the states.
Christmas markets, decorative lights, trees and Santa-themed displays can all be found in Japan in late December, but the country has also developed its own traditions – along with Kentucky Fried Chicken, strawberry cake and romantic dinner dates often mark Christmas, according to TimeOut Japan.
So where did the fondness for crispy fried chicken at Christmas time come from?
The origin story has different versions. Some say that Takeshi Okawara, who managed the first KFC in Japan, untruthfully marketed the chicken as a traditional American Christmas dish, according to CNN. Okawara would go on to become CEO of KFC Japan.
Another theory is that a delivery person in a Santa Claus outfit made such an impression on a class of kindergartners that other schools started placing their own orders, inspiring the company to market its product for Christmas.
According to KFC Japan, it all dates back to 1974 after a KFC Japan sales team member overheard a foreign customer complain about not being able to get turkey and making do with fried chicken for Christmas.
From that overheard remark was born the first “Kentucky for Christmas” campaign, the story goes, and the tradition lives on to this day. The original holiday meal came with a bottle of wine and was marketed to adults hosting Christmas parties.
The special holiday meal – which can be reserved as early as October – continues to evolve, including items like a “premium chicken that’s hand prepared and stuffed with cheese and mushrooms, baked fresh in the restaurant.”
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Have yourself a merry little Christmas
Let your heart be light
From now on
Your troubles will be out of sight
Have yourself a merry little Christmas
Make the Yule-tide gay
From now on
Your troubles will be miles away
Here we are as in olden days
Happy golden days of yore
Faithful friends who I dear to us
They gather near to us once more
Through the years
We'll always be together
If the Fates allow
Hang a shining star upon the highest bough
So have yourself a merry little Christmas
Have yourself a merry little Christmas
So have yourself a merry little Christmas now
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@Lunar108
-->@oromagiI am talking about this out of my own experience , if you don't like what you see I don't care
Since I assume you have not discussed the subject personally with the majority of all Feminists, I will read this as your concession that this is not a tendency of Feminists but only the tendency of some self-proclaimed Feminists of your acquaintance.
Since your question was "why do feminists defend islam and not christianity" and we've established that you only mean those few Feminists you know, it seems like you are the only person in a position to answer this question with any authority and probably need not ask the forums to answer a question only you can answer.
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Right now- you and Pie are looking like the most likely Spy team.
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@RationalMadman
Also, why are you defending Pie? What is your investment in him?
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No it doesn't, first of all Pie never ever would slip like that if he was a spy.
Read it again. I say "Honestly, if there's sab round 2 I don't think there's much hope for us in any case. "
Pie responds: "In your scenarios, yes." (My scenarios being Resistance scenarios. If Pie thought I was a spy he would not agree that a second sab in Round2 would mean no hope for my side - in fact, I would be in good shape if I was a spy with two sabs, right? Therefore, Pie does not think I'm a spy and only a spy would think so with confidence at this point in the game.) Then Pie says, "In mine if there is a sabotage it’s practically over" meaning his outcomes are different from mine but not hopeless as I say, only "practically over" which is good news from a Spy's prospective and bad news from a Res perspective. If Pie were Res he would not be disagreeing with my pretty straightforward conclusion.
Secondly, he has explained why based on the reads he's most sure of that if this is sabbed he will conclude you and Earth are the team, I can link you to the posts where this is blatant.
He has just admitted that he knows I'm no spy. I have no doubt he would support such a conclusion as correct spy strategy.
I now read Pie as the most likely spy in this game and will vote against any team that includes him until shown evidence contradicting this read. Vote: NO on current proposal.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiHonestly, if there's sab round 2 I don't think there's much hope for us in any case.In your scenarios, yes. In mine if there is a sabotage it’s practically over
Of course, you realize this reads as an admission that you are a spy
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I note that a new notice has been issued today regarding DART elections:
DART Presidential ElectionGreetings DART!The presidential process will begin starting Dec 27th.From December 27th to January 16th, any user may nominate themselves. From that time, users may campaign for themselves following the regulation set.On January 17th, the preliminary voting stage will begin, where the top three candidates move on to the general electionOn January 20th, the final voting stage will begin, where a simple majority vote decides the presidentOn January 21st, the president is inauguratedFor more info on campaign rules, please read here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PIsh9UDic938MMM3YX-H1nn15H7OriOvfOSFigXXsX0/editHope everyone has a safe and happy holidaysGodspeed, SupaDudz
While I voted against the need for a Presidential office on DART, I accepted the preference of the majority as expressed in the MEEP that ended on Sept 29th, "MEEP: Reformed ban policy & DebateArt President" and in early December endorsed RationalMadman's Candidacy for our first DebateArt President.
That election process, as proposed by MisterChris and approved by us DebartArters clearly stated:
"The President shall be elected for a yearly term each December, to be formally instated January 1st of the following year. The first three weeks of December will be dedicated to optional campaigning, and the rest of the month will be dedicated to the election process, all of which will be overseen and managed by moderation."
Clearly, a number of DebateArtists including RM and myself were under the impression that these were the rules in play and have been campaigning since Dec 1 accordingly. Now I see that the campaign dates and inauguration dates have been moved and a primary process inserted. I guess I'm left wondering:
- When did the election process change?
- How did I miss it?
- On what authority?
- Does that authority over-ride MEEP decided policies?
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I've noticed that feminists tend to hate christianity while they love islam
What evidence supports this claim? I am certain that you can find some individual feminists who hate Christianity and love Islam but describing that dynamic as a "tendency" means that you think the majority of feminists support such a contradiction- a claim without much validity in the real world. Can you provide sources that back your claim that the majority of Feminists prefer Islam over Christianity? ...because I'm fairly certain you cant.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiI think we should choose 3 out of the 4 non-1st rounders in this round and if no sab than all 4 non-1st rounders in the third.I need more details. Say Pie, Oro, WF go M2 and it’s a Sabotage. Who goes next? Certainly Supa, but who are the next 3 people. Cause there are 3 slots and 5 people to choose from. Only 1/2 saboteurs need to be on the Mission to succeed. The odds are horrible. Say you put me on it cause I’m most townread. Still 2 slots with 4 people to choose from. Odds are horrible.Say there’s a resistance play. If we go Pie, Oro, WF, Supa, next there’s certainly gonna be a Spy play and we won’t know who did it out of the 4. Then we have to choose 3 people. If we choose the same three as R2 we still risk losing with a sabotage. Odds are horrible.
Honestly, if there's sab round 2 I don't think there's much hope for us in any case.
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That's how Earth plays as scum in mafia very often, just minimalistic nonsense, saying just enough to not be called a lurker and just solid enough to not be called a troll.
Unfortunately, that is also how Earth plays town so such reads do us no good.'
Christmas is upon me and I my participation is likely to be sketchy for the next few days.
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" a tradition that has gone on for at least 5000 years"! This would make their gods old, very old. Ancient in fact.
Let's keep in mind that as far as we can tell, Stonehenge had been out of use for better than 2000 years when the first Druid is mentioned in European literature. The Romans wiped out the Druids in the first few decades of occupation and they remained forgotten until the Renaissance got people reading about Druids in the works of Caesar and Cicero. While the ancient Neolithic peoples who raised those stones were certainly Pagan by definition they weren't Druids, which is a much younger Celtic tradition and they weren't witches, which is an even younger Christian (or anti-Christian if you like) tradition. Throughout Roman, Saxon, Viking, Norman, English eras, Stonehenge was just another of the thousands of stone circle remnants dotted across Europe from Turkey to the Hebrides, albeit larger and more complete than just about any other. The Romans thought little of Stonehenge except as another ruin to plow around or picnic upon. The Romans would certainly have noticed any religious activity around those stones and would have either co-opted that tradition or exterminated it. Likewise, no Norman or English king would have tolerated any unchristian worship within their boundaries.
It is not accurate to say that Stonehenge's traditional purpose was Druid or Wicca. It is not accurate to suppose that any tradition has been handed down for 5,000 years surrounding this landmark. We know very little about why Stonehenge was built or how it was used although remembering people who had died in the past year and perhaps bringing their ashes to Stonehenge on the day when the Sun seems closest to dying does seem to be a part of it. Most Stonehenge traditions are less than 200 years old and popular associations with Druidism or Wicca are only about 50 or 60 years old.
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@RationalMadman
-->@oromagiYes, and that Earth didn't. I don't think of Earth as a particularly engaged player but the spies obviously desperately want to be on that first mission and that describes RM not Earth.Earth put himself on the team.
As team leader ought to have done and I advised him to do but he didn't campaign for that choice as you did. That makes you weigh heavier in the probabilities.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiMy point stands proved: you've convinced yourself that Earth is the spy when objectively RM is the more likely of the two.Why is RM “objectively” more likely to be Spy? Just cause he wanted to be on the mission?
Yes, and that Earth didn't. I don't think of Earth as a particularly engaged player but the spies obviously desperately want to be on that first mission and that describes RM not Earth.
I'm not talking certainties, I see no justification for certainties- just relative probabilities.
Did you read who Earth didn’t want on a mission?
You and RM- makes sense from Earth's perspective
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Just read my interactions with Earth. It becomes obvious that he’s the Spy just based on what he said and when he said.
My point stands proved: you've convinced yourself that Earth is the spy when objectively RM is the more likely of the two.
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I've always loved being the DM and I'd like to see a game work here although I've always been skeptical- it is a lot of information. I've thought about a more stripped down version like Fate or Dungeon World. Mostly, I just don't think our levels of participation support an active narrative- waiting 24 hours for the next player to swing a sword makes for very tedious game play.
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Think of it this way. Even if Oro is a Spy, if he plays a Spy card, he’s toast. We practically confirm that he’s a Spy. We’ll likely get a Resistance play here.
But that's because you've convinced yourself that Earth is the spy when objectively RM is the more likely of the two. I suffer from no such conviction and I don't understand yours.
We started this round convinced that because TEAM earth/RM sab'd, we would not include either in the second round. This still seems sensible- adding either obscures second round results- if sab'd, we almost certainly blame the first rounder whether accurate or not, if not sab'd we've done nothing to separate out the first round spy. I think we should choose 3 out of the 4 non-1st rounders in this round and if no sab than all 4 non-1st rounders in the third.
I guess that makes me a no vote on any first rounders in any second round team
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@ILikePie5
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Who are your spies right now?Post#80
Post #80
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiSo who out of Earth, RM, and WF do you believe are the spies?
I'm not much for calculating probabilities but I can rank in order of increasing probability:
WF
Earth
RM
Obviously, Earth and RM are most probable spies because they shared a two-man mission that was sab'd. RM ranks higher than Earth because he was eager to join that mission while Earth was assigned.
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Mesaia archipeligo is a real place
I see a Greek village called Mesaia- no archipeligo, tho. Where is this Mesaia archipeligo?
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Affiliation: Resistance
Date of Birth: 07/28/854
Bio:
- Born of young parent on a ship bound for Western Continent.
- Denied refugee status and forced ot Mesaia archipeligo.
- Mom killed by Hegemony bomb 858
- Dad attempted to assasinate Governor, now in labor camp
- Grew up in orphanage until 867.
- Moved to mainland in 874.
- SKilled in computers
- Hacked government database to learn dad killed in prision
- Now wanted fugitive for hacking
- Aided anti-Gov groups 879-886
- Helped found Alliance of New Hope 886.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
-->@oromagiYou are the new mission leader for this mission. Please submit your team proposal within 24 hours.
If I had been in Pie's position I would have selected the same team but since that's been rejected I will go with
Oromagi
ILikePie5
Supadudz
the only reason to prefer pie over WF is pretty subjective- WF was a little defensive with RM in round1 and the last time I saw him act defensively he was scum in a game of Mafia. Furthermore, Pie hasnot lol'd once which is generally a leading indicator of non-scuminess when it comes to Pie.
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M1:- Earth, RM
VC: Oro, WF, Pie
Oromagi
xSupaDudz
-IlikePie5
-Whiteflame
--Earth
--RationalMadman
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Mission Proposal VotingMission: JailbreakMission Leader: ILikePie5Mission team: ILikePie5, Oromagi, and WhiteflameYes votes: none yet(0/3)No votes: none yet (0/3)Not voting: Everyone
I vote yes
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@RationalMadman
-->@oromagiI don't townread Earth
I think that's fine. Like I said, I don't see any objective criteria to go on before the first mission so I'm withholding any actionable judgements.
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiAre you fine with Earth and RM?
yes fine
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I won't object to any choice you make first round. I think you should make the team you and one other and proceed.
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I can't think of a reason to objectively prefer one player over another at this point, seems like following a plan designed to allow POE later in the game is the way to go.
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I think we should try something like
- 1 should lead 1+2
- if no sabotage, then
- 2 should lead 2+1+3
- if no sabotage, then
- 3 should lead 3+1+2+4
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Will future mission leaders follow the order listed in post #3?
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- Are all missions two player missions or does it vary by round?
- Do spies know each other's id's?
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there is no eliminating players
- rats.
- life follows art again.
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If I were mission leader, I guess I'd pick myself and one other. If sabotaged, I'd know one spy for sure. If not sabotaged, point for Res and likely Res ally.
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Are our bios just window dressing or relevant to game play? Can we share bios at will?
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My first time playing so don't be afraid to point out the obvious to me......
So, we are waiting for Earth to pick one other player for this mission. Can we read anything into the fact that Earth was selected to lead first mission?
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@Fruit_Inspector
What is a more efficient money making scheme for a drug company:
- Treating only people that have COVID-19 with a drug that has an expired patent like Ivermectin?
- Vaccinating the entire global population with a patented vaccine that loses significant efficacy around six months and has the potential for unlimited boosters
Generally speaking, if you want to characterize big Pharma as a bunch of cold-blooded profiteers, I'm probably going to agree with you but COVID is a particularly convoluted case.
There are over 200 different types of COVID vaccines in various stages of production and development. The Theory of Capitalism suggests that if a vaccine can be developed with a longer efficacy, it will be. Likewise, competition for a cheaper vaccine is incredibly stiff. The reason so many different labs were able to develop so many different vaccines so quickly was because of massive data sharing by governments- particular China and the US.
Moderna gave up its fight with the US Govt over the main mRNA patent just yesterday- so it now look like the National Institutes of Health owns the main patent for that technology and the US taxpayer will be the primary beneficiary of the expected $20 billion dollar windfall from that technology for 2021- thanks, big government solutions!
So far, the primary beneficiaries of FOX News promoted Ivermectin misinformation have been the Indian and Brazilian pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the generics. SImone Gold's American Frontline Doctor's network seems to be the primary US beneficiaries in spite of Gold's claims to the contrary.
Let's also note that Ivermectin is a therapeutic for disease while vaccines are a prophylactic. The Hippocratic Oath as well as common sense recommends prevention, even at substantially greater cost, over treatment.
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-->@oromagiAdmittedly, schools are a bit of a gray area in my mind when it comes to vaccines, so I'll avoid that since that is not the core issue I am concerned with. However, I would guess that I could dig up lawsuits and other controversies regarding mandated flu vaccines within that 15-20 year period. This would mean the mandates weren't uncontroversial.
...and RM regularly denies that the Earth is round. I suppose that technically speaking any degree of opposition makes an idea controversial and therefore every idea is controversial but I was speaking more generally of American societal norms.
Your claim was that employee mandates would "seem odd." My argument is that such mandates are correctly seen as generally accepted by American society for the past couple of generations (and therefore not "odd").
I will remind you that I don't watch Fox, so any opposition to mandating these vaccines does not originate from them.
Whether you watch FOX News is irrelevant to the point that FOX serves as the primary gatekeeper and distribution node for most right-wing propaganda and disinformation. As we established in our earlier discussion of CRT, your misuse of those initials as a euphemism for civil rights stems from Tucker Carlson's deliberate decision to misuse that term in Sept 2020, whether you ever watched FOX or not. The notion of ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID had been floating around for months, mostly within the least credible circles of social media hell until Tucker Carlson began to call social media crackdowns censorship beginning Jun 12, 2021. By September, ivermectin sales increased 30 fold in spite of FDA warnings. When FOX News pushed anti-vax last summer, the right-wing went anti-vax. When FOX stopped pushing (mostly) in Oct, resistance to vaccines rapidly quiesced. Whether you know it or not, FOX News controls what right-wing America thinks to a depressingly potent degree.
Are you talking about anti-vaxxers who are against all vaccines, [or] anti-vaxxers who support all vaccines except the new mRNA vaccines [?]
Both of these as I see little enough difference in the quality or nature of arguments vs. either to merit distinction.
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Parroting claims is easy. Justifying those claims with evidence is hard.
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So if there is currently no hope of eradicating the virus, wouldn't the logical conclusion of the current push be to mandate vaccines and boosters indefinitely? It would seem odd to make access to employment and other such important aspects of society contingent upon annual or biannual vaccinations for all eligible adults indefinitely.
We didn't feel that way about flu shots when they started becoming regularly promoted, when? 15-20 yrs ago. Before the pandemic, most hospital jobs mandated a flu vaccine uncontroversially, most schools mandated a series of vaccines uncontroversially. Before FOX and Trump decided to try to divide the nation about the issue, regular vaccinations had been a very normal part of American society for more than 50 years. Indeed, such programs were considered a hallmark of American scientific and rational achievement. What seems odd is the present popularity of the once fringe philosophies of anti-vaxxers in the face of overwhelming evidence of the safety and effectiveness of vaccinations.
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@FLRW
-->@oromagiYes, given what we know about COVID-19 so far, many scientits believe that the virus that causes COVID-19 will likely settle into endemic patterns of transmission. But our inability to eradicate the virus does not mean that all hope is lost.Our post-pandemic future will heavily depend on how the virus evolves over the coming years. SARS-CoV-2 is a completely new human virus that is still adapting to its new host. Over time, we may see the virus become less pathogenic, similar to the four coronaviruses that cause the common cold, which represent little more than a seasonal nuisance.Global vaccination programs will have the greatest impact on curbing new cases of the disease. However, the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine campaign so far has touched only a small percentage of people on the planet. In addition, breakthrough infections in vaccinated people still occur because no vaccine is 100% effective. This means that booster shots will likely be needed to maximize vaccine-induced protection against infection.With global virus surveillance and the speed at which safe and effective vaccines have been developed, we are well poised to tackle the ever-evolving target that is SARS-CoV-2. Influenza is endemic and evolves quickly, but seasonal vaccination enables life to go on as normal. We can expect the same for SARS-CoV-2 – eventually.
agreed and well said. I did not mean to convey a sense of hopelessness by talking of COVID as endemic.
- The scientific response to COVID was astonishingly effective. We predicted, detected, and developed an effective medicine for this new disease with remarkably high confidence. This bodes well for humanity's capacity to survive future pandemics.
- The Renaissance is correctly seen as, in part, a reaction and result of the waves of Bubonic Plague that swept across Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries. There's little doubt that present human populations are too high relative to the carrying capacity of our planet and so one reasonable, objective, long-term perspective on new diseases is that they offer a means of curtailing human populations without resort to evil methods.
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