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I am driving to Telluride tomorrow. Internet will be sketchy to nil for a week. I hope either way there's no need for me tomorrow.
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@Earth
Nolynch buys TOWN nothing. Whiteflame will simply lynch me and then work to persuade you some more.
Pie stated early in this game that your meta is default anti-TOWN. Now is your chance to prove Pie wrong.
Lynch Whiteflame
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@Earth
To believe that Disc is SCUM you have to believe that Pie invested 90% of his energy in this game into getting his scum partner killed.
You have to see that Whiteflame is obv scum here.
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@Earth
I can't believe you would still suspect Disc. Here is a compilation of all the times Pie tried to get Disc lynched this game. A huge amount of this is trying to convince YOU that Disc is scum. You now know that Pie was scum when he was feeding you these lies. Why would Pie be so destructive to his scum partner?
DP1:
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Aight we’ll policy lynch Disc if there’s no other alternative
#56
A policy lynch on Disc assuming no alternatives is the best position here. Mods do give Miller as a fake claim. Don’t know if Poly would but better safe than sorry. His role has no use to us anyways + it helps POE and doesn’t create a headache at MYLO or LYLO like Wylted said.
#70
as long as it’s before MYLO/LYLO
#74
t he’s a viable policy lynch just so we don’t have headaches later on
#81
If you have claims like Miller and PGO, you should claim immediately.
#133
I’m pressuring as a policy.
#158
We have two claims worth pursuing right now in the Miller and Enabler.
(Long battle with Lunatic over mass claiming. Let's note that Disc had already claimed while Whiteflame had not claimed)
#161
Pie and whiteflame budy up on anti mass claim
#168
Mods use [MILLER] as a fake claim or don’t use it at all is the point.
#202
#213
FOS Disc, Whiteflame leans TOWN
#216
Hopes SCUM will redirect vigilante onto MILLER
#276
Wait so Mewtwo isn’t in the TV show at all?
#312
policy lynch MILLER
#318
asks for justification
#331
If I’m scum then you surely must think Disc must be scum. If having a Pokémon as a character is scummy then you should be equally suspicious of Disc.
#370
Why do you scumread Disc?
#472
If I am scum then by your theory Disc has to be scum so don’t really get this.
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Disc is not in my opinion. Miller claims are still inherently sus in my opinion.
#78
Fake claims ROLE under pressure from Disc.
#103
Pie's ONLY scum read is Disc
#106
See, I don’t really believe you are the Miller, I think you’re scum.
#107
Miller claims being inherently scummy. Also you haven’t said once who my scum partner would be.
#111
VTL Disc
#129
If a Vig did exist I’d be surprised why the Miller wasn’t targeted last night.
#143
I honestly want to lynch him now to avoid the headache tomorrow.
#187
one of the claimed roles has scum: Disc, Wylted, Earth
#190
Gary Oak is odd, I feel like he’d make a better Miller than MeeTwo
Narrator does practically nothing so he makes more sense.
Whiteflame has played to his meta
#208
With Disc, his justification is Mewtwo is bad
#217
I’ve been on Disc from the start because of the Miller claim. It’s fairly easy for scum to claim Miller if they don’t have a GF, Lawyer, or Framer on their side.
#221
I definitely agree that Gary would be a better Miller claim. I said it earlier in the DP too, which makes me suspicious of Disc’s claim even more.
It’s possible the theme would be good vs evil and Disc + Evil are scum. Mewtwo could easily be a vanilla compared to Gary,
#224
Agreed. I still think Disc is the optimal lynch today.
#236
Just because a Cop exists doesn’t mean a Miller has to exist. If scum don’t have a GF, Lawyer, Framer, they can accurately fake claim Miller with very good odds.
I also think my utility is much much more than Disc.
#240
Let’s lynch Disc
#257
he’s scum. I’ll outline the reasons. He claims he’s the Miller as MeeTwo when Gary Oak would fit that much better with the same justification and being a character in the show. Mewtwo doesn’t appear at all in the show; rather, he appears in the movie, which is unique to him and only him. Disc also knows a lot about the theme so a fake claim like that is within his realm. Scum, if they don’t have a GF, Lawyer, or Framer can easily claim Miller even if there’s a Cop. I don’t want to deal with a Miller are MYLO and I’d say no one wants to either. Last reason is in the off chance Disc flips town it means Pokémon do exist in the game and my claim is strengthened a bit. On the contrary if Disc flips scum I’ll be on the chopping block which is fine with me since we’d still have one more mislynch available to help with POE
#258
I’ve outlined the reasons why Disc is a good option today
#259
Either way Disc is the optimal lynch.
#268
Evil’s own justification makes him a better Miller than Disc.
you have to run under the assumption that if I’m scum, Disc has to be scum too cause we’re Pokémon
#278
Disc is still viable. I just have to convince Whiteflame and once Whiteflame flips, Oro. The reasoning Supa and Earth have put, you have to admit are horrible compared to the reasoning I’ve put out there. I’m like 90% sure this game is solved based on Disc’s flip. If Disc flips scum, the last scum is in Evil, Oro, Whiteflame, likely Evil because Mewtwo and Gary were both evil If Disc flips town then POE is rather simple. You can confirm yourself DP4 cause we No Lynch DP3 cause MYLO. I’m somewhat confirmed cause Pokemon can exist. Supa is town. Earth is town cause protective role. This leaves Oro, WF, Evil with 2/3 being scum. In this scenario an Oro/WF or WF/Evil scenario is most likely. Either way we lynch WF
#289
you have completely disregarded Disc’s character who isn’t even in the show, rather the movie. You’ve also disregarded that fact that Gary Oak would be a far better Miller claim than MewTwo.n If you think I’m scum, then you have to admit that Disc is scum as well just because of the Pokémon claims themselves. Our lynches are equal in this statement but there’s one thing that elevates me - my claim. Miller vs Bomb.
#291
Cmon man, a Miller is way more suspect.
#297
If a Cop exists, a Miller doesn’t have to exist.
#298
The PRO/CON list is significantly better for a Disc lynch than mine
#303
-->@Earth Can you please explain why you sus me over Disc? Cause Disc would have the exact same reasons. Just look at my claim for example. Fine you don’t believe it. But look at Disc’s his is even worse than mine. First he’s not even in the show. Second there are other characters like Gary Oak that make much more sense than Mewtwo as Miller.
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@Fruit_Inspector
-->@oromagiHow exactly are you defining social justice? And is there a difference between justice and social justice?
Alec raised the term and should probably be the one to define it as the subject of his topic but I'd say that social is an adjective modifying the scale and context of justice- justice at the community level- fairness and reason in the workplace, in education, in the courts, etc.
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@Mesmer
My point had nothing to do with who Nick Fuentes is.
Your point wasn't addressed to me or to this topic. You were addressing conservatives and appealing for further radicalization. FOX News, Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump- they are now the RINO left and will be purged when the great storm comes. All of which seems pretty non-sequitur.
You invited us (and me particularly) to say what we want about little boys who hate so much they drop out of school and try to kill their country. So I did.
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@Mesmer
Say what you like about Nick Fuentes (I'm sure people like Oromagi have some worthless ad homs to call him
The 18 year old pimply faced incel cunt who took a quarter million in foreign money to attack our Nation's capitol and then turned FBI informant on the rest of his groypers? How about god-damned traitor twice over?
Here's Fuentes advocating for the murder of Republican politicians who wouldn't go along with Trump's Putsch:
"What can you and I do to a state legislator — besides kill them? We should not do that. I'm not advising that, but I mean, what else can you do, right?"
Here's what that treasonous lying fuck had to say about America this week: "The Taliban is a conservative, religious force, the US is godless and liberal. The defeat of the US government in Afghanistan is unequivocally a positive development."
Is there anybody your role model hasn't recently betrayed?
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-->@oromagiOne hundred percent straw, man.I notice you are characterizing people who advocate for social justice as extremists. Why would any good citizen be against social justice?He's not strawmanning anyone lol.
He's arguing that SJWs should not ban speech. When I asked for specifics he literally gave me Russian clickbait for Fox viewers and no evidence of anybody banning anybody. Alec's subject remains undefined. You can't just say SJWs because that's an alt-Right term of denigration- it like just saying "assholes" - assholes should not ban speech. It's not really arguable until the derogatory is filled in with some specific set of people banning something specifically. If there's not ban, if there's no people banning people, then Alec's argument is straw.
Ultimately, this topic is still waiting for Alec to define his subject.
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@949havoc
-->@oromagiSocial justice, so called, has become something altogether different that it may have been understood say 100 years ago, because 200 years ago, 230 years ago, plus, to be more accurate, it was different still, as understood by Jimmy Madison and his essay/experiment in practical government. So, to which version do you adhere? The BLM version? Just since that's the latest version, and we seem to prefer, socially, to currency? I still trust my friend, Jimmy, because his version spoke to better angels in us. That justice is not nearly so demanding that it be meted out by force, and particularly because it depended on evidence, and not street justice by selfie.
You write like fauxlaw.
I would not say that social justice is "altogether different." What is fair has always been, as Franklin put it , self-evident. What is reasonable changes as each achievement build on former successes.
Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.
I don't accept that BLM has a different version of social justice than the Founding Fathers, who would still have opposed government brutality and racial violence as unjust.
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@Fruit_Inspector
-->@oromagiLiberty is vague... may I assume that you are anti-freedom?The pursuit of happiness is vague....may I assume you don't advocate the Declaration of Independence?Believing in social justice means believing that society works best when society is fair and reasonable. I think America was invented to promote social justice and that you're not really on board with the American project unless you think American society should be fair and reasonable.Isn't the Declaration of Independence and the American project fundamentally a product of white supremacy? How can a racist system invented by white men for white men promote social justice?
Well, there's a who lot of racist systems that succeed in promoting social justice. The Roman Catholic Church, for example, is a very racist system that promotes quite a lot of social justice. Hell, Christianity itself. Jesus and the 12 Apostles were Jewish Supremacists, absolutely believing that their race was chosen by God above all others, yet I'd argue that many fair and reasonable acts have preceded from remembering the Sermon on the Mount. I think it possible for great human projects to be invented by imperfect humans and still be great. We can have no doubt that Franklin and Jefferson understood they were expanding the franchise when they authored the line "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men were created equal." Even then, Franklin and Jefferson explicitly understood that they were hypocritically degrading some of their fellow men but the whole wealth of the nation was caught up in slavery. Franklin wrote that slavery must die in the next generation and Jefferson condemned slavery as an "abominable crime" which he happened to commit every day of his life as the price of great wealth.
Similarly, we today understand that our use of fossil fuels and plastic is not just unsustainable but actively endangering our future, yet we hypocritically persist in these uses for convenience's sake while teaching our children better practice, while hoping for a more fair and reasonable energy solution in the next generation. Our descendants will surely fault our moral weakness and economic dependence on such ruinous habits but that should not prevent us from working on the project.
Franklin and Jefferson may not have seen the future clearly or understood how to achieve that future but they were confident that a great nation could proceed from that one radical assertion.
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@ethang5
->@Fruit_InspectorOops, Fruit_Inspector, you've stumbled into a liberal hypocrasy. Not to worry, they have rationalizations complete with links.
Hi, Ethan. Nice to see you return.
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@TheUnderdog
But what the difference between censoring a pro lifer and censoring a white supremist?
I don't see much evidence of censorship of either ideology.
Is it the popularity of their views (being pro life is backed by many people whereas white supremacy is backed by few)?
Well, we should note that there is significant overlap between the groups- the anti-abortion movement among US Protestants grew directly out popular white supremacy. 19% of Americans believe that abortion should be illegal in the US. 9% of Americans identify as White Nationalist and I assume the overwhelming majority of those are also anti-abortion but 28% of Americans polled thought Trump did a good job of handing the Unite the Right Rally (and what did Trump do except call some White Supremacists good people?) I think that 28% is closer to accurate and I assume the overwhelming majority of anti-abortion folks fit into that softer group of people who do not condemn White Nationalism. I don't see much evidence of tolerance for ideological divergence on the Right.
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@Earth
Sus whiteflame for something I'll explain later. I think it was WF anyway.
WIn or lose, the game is yours to end.
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@Wylted
George Carlin:
"I really haven’t seen this many people in one place since they took the group photographs of all the criminals and law breakers in the Ronald Reagan administration. Yeah! Yeah! Oh! Two hundred and twenty five of ’em so far. Two hundred and twenty five different people in the Ronald Reagan administration have either quit, been fired, been arrested, indicted or convicted of either breaking the law or violating the ethics code.
Two hundred and twenty five of ’em.
And Edwin Meese alone… Edwin Meese alone has been investigated by three separate special prosecutors and there’s a forth one waitin’ for him in Washington right now. Three separate special prosecutors have had to look into the activities of the Attorney General. And the Attorney General is the nation’s leading law enforcement officer!
See, that’s what you got to remember. This is the Ronald Reagan administration we’re talking about. These are the law and order people! These are the people who are against street crime. They want to put street criminals in jail to make life safer for the business criminals. They’re against street crime… Yeah! They’re against street crime providing that street isn’t Wall Street.
And the Supreme Court decided about a year ago that it’s all right to put people in jail now if we just think they’re gonna commit a crime. It’s called preventive detention. All you got to do now is just think they’re gonna commit a crime! If we’d of known this shit seven or eight years ago we could of put a bunch of these Republican mother-fuckers directly into prison!
YEAH!!!!
Put ’em in the joint where they belong and we could have saved the money of puttin’ these pin-headed country club assholes on trial!
Another thing you gotta remember, this is the group of people who were elected with the help of the Moral Majority. Elected with the help of the Moral Majority and the Teamsters Union! That’s a good combination! Organized religion and organized crime, working together to help build a better America!
Another thing… Keep in mind these Regan people are the ones that were going to get government off our backs. Remember that, that was the rhetoric of the 1980 campaign. “We’ll get government off your backs and out of your lives.” Yeah, but they still want to tell you what magazines you can read and they still want to tell you what rock lyrics you can listen to and they still want to force your kids to pray in school and they still want to tell you can say on the radio! The FCC, the Federal Communications Commission decided all by itself that radio and television were the only two parts of American life not protected by the free speech provisions of the first amendment to the Constitution. I’d like to repeat that because it sounds vaguely important!
The FCC, an appointed body not elected, answerable only to the President, decided on its own that radio and television were the only two parts of American life not protected by the first amendment to the Constitution. Why did they decide that? Because they got a letter from a minister in Mississippi! A Reverend Donald Wildmon in Mississippi heard something on the radio that he didn’t like ! Well Reverend! Did anyone ever tell you there are two knobs on the radio?
Of course I’m sure the Reverend isn’t that comfortable with anything that has two knobs on it… But hey, Reverend, there are two knobs on the radio. One of them turns the radio off and the other one… CHANGES THE STATION!!! Imagine that Reverend you can actually CHANGE THE STATION!!! It’s called freedom of choice and it’s one of the principals this country was founded upon! Look it up in the library Reverend if you have any of ’em left when you finish burning all the books!
Ehh???
Now I don’t know how you feel but I have personally just about had it with these fucking church people! JUST… ABOUT… HAD… IT! YES!!!
You know what I say we should do with these churches? TAX THEM!!! Tax these mother-fuckers! If they’re so interested in politics and government and public policy LET ‘EM PAY THEIR FUCKIN’ ADMISSION PRICE like everybody else. You know what I mean? Tax ’em.
Hey! The Catholic church alone could wipe out the federal budget deficit. If all you did was tax ’em on their real estate holdings. And speaking of real estate holdings let’s get back to Ronald Reagan and his criminal gang.
When last we left them, they were going to get government off our backs. Yeah, but when it comes to abortion they don’t mind government being in a woman’s uterus do they? Yeah, backs are no good but uterus is OK by them. These people call themselves “Right-to-Lifers”. Don’t you love that phrase? Don’t you love the way these kind of people pervert the English language? “Right-to-Lifers”? You realize that most of the “Right-to-Lifers” are in favor of the death penalty? And they support the South American death squads? And they’re against gun control and they’re against nuclear weapons control? When they say right-to-life they’re talkin’ about their right to decide which people should live or die!
So these Reagan people, these right wingers in general, these, uh, crypto-fascists, they’re against homo-sexuality, they’re against pornography, they’re against sex education, they’re against abortion. Yeah, they’re gonna get government off your back but they’re going to tell you how to live your sex life. And let me ask you this, how would they know anything about it? Have you ever taken a LOOK at those people?!?!? No wonder their afraid of their bodies! TAKE A LOOK AT ‘EM!!!
Doesn’t it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to fuck in the first place?
Hey, I’m the first one to say it’s a great country, but it’s a straaaange culture. This is a place where alcohol ruins more lives than cancer and everybody gets upset when some athlete gets hooked on cocaine. You know, Time Magazine and Newsweek, they put cocaine on the cover but they put the liquor advertisements inside the magazine. It’s the old American double standard. You know, say one thing, do sumpin’ different. And of course the country is founded on the double standard. That’s our history. We were founded on a very basic double standard. This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free.
Am I right? A group of slave owners who wanted to be free. So they killed a lot of white English people in order to continue owning their black African people so they could wipe out the rest of the red Indian people and move west and steal the rest of the land from the brown Mexican people, givin’ them a place to take off and drop their nuclear weapons on the yellow Japanese people. You know what the motto of this country aughta be? “You give us a color, we’ll wipe it out!” Got it!
So, anyway, about eighty years after the Constitution is ratified, eighty years later, the slaves are freed. Not so you’d really notice it of course. Just sorta on paper. And that was of course during the Civil War. Now there’s another phrase I dearly love. That is a true oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one. Civil War. Do you think any country could really have a “civil” war? “Say, pardon me…” pft pft pft pft pft “I’m awfully sorry…”
Now, of course, the Civil War has been over for about a hundred and twenty years, but not so you’d really notice it. Cause we still have these people called “Civil War Buffs”. People who thought it was a really keen war! And they study the battles carefully and they try to improve the strategies and the tactics to increase the body count. In case we have to go through it again some time. In fact some of these people actually get dressed up in uniform once a year and re-fight these battles. You know what I say? “Use live ammunition ass-holes, will you please?” You might just raise the intelligence level of the American gene pool.
But whataya expect, hey, come on, this is a war-like country, we come from that northern European, basically the northern European genes, the blue eyes, those blue eyes… Boy everybody in the world learned real quick didn’t they when those blue eyes sail out of the north you better nail everything down mother-fucker. Nail it down, strap it down, or they’ll grab it. If the can’t take it home they’ll burn it. If they can’t burn it they FUCK it. That’s what happened to us.
And it’s a war-like country. I mean come on. Forget foreign policy, even the domestic rhetoric is war-like. Everything about out domestic policy invokes the thought of war. We don’t like somethin’ in this country? We declare war on it. The war on poverty, the war on drugs, the war on crime, the war on AIDS, the war on cancer. We got the only national anthem that mentions fuckin’ rockets and bombs in the God-damned thing! You know what I mean? All right!
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@Wylted
-->@oromagiBill Maher was saying just last Friday that the reason the right wing can't do comedy is because liberals aren't funny but I don't think that's even close to true. I think liberals are just as silly and misinformed and hypocritical as the right.I feel like only the right can do good stand-up now. When you get people like bill burr, Dave Chapelle and other big names they all seem to have a conservative POV on stage, even if they are liberals.
- Bill Burr- Voted Sanders 2016, 2020. Voted Nader in 2000 (actually so did I in 1996).
- Dave Chapelle- Friend of Obama's, campaigned for Andrew Yang in 2020. Said he was disgusted when an interviewer implied he was a Trump supporter.
Meanwhile woke comedians are bombing. Amy Schumer for example is not even remotely funny. Which is wierd because she steals the routines of funny people, but she just can't perform those same routines well.
- Schumer is the first and only woman to make Forbes' list of best paid comedians- 2017-2021. oops.
Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Jeff Dunham, the people who actually make you laugh, just spout shit on stage that appeals highly to conservatives.
- Chris Rock- Big Obama supporter, gives money to Democratic candidates in NJ politics.
"You know, Donald Trump did this thing… Like, when security companies build new locks or security systems, they hire crooks to show you the weaknesses of the system. Well, Donald Trump showed us the weakness of our government,” Rock said. “Now, it’s up to Joe Biden and Congress and the Senate to get rid of those weaknesses—to instill safeguards that actually protect us from unqualified, mad men and mad women, so that we never have to be at the mercy of a person that does not exhibit empathy and competence.”
- Eddie Murphy-The only public presidential endorsement Murphy ever made is Obama & donated $30,000 to Obama's campaign.
- Jeff Dunham- refuses to talk politics but his audience is definitely Conservative. I watched 30 minutes on YouTube and never laughed once but I've never thought dummy acts were very funny.
George Carlin is probably the funniest comedian ever and he is pretty anti establishment which is more appealing to conservatives.
- Again, you are so ignorant regarding American politics that you think Conservatives are anti-establishment. Mirriam-Webster literally lists those words as opposite in meaning.
- George Carlin- famously refused to vote or endorse candidates but he did identify as hippie, anti-war, pro-drugs, pro-obscenity- classically liberal. He played gay characters in movies before it was cool and chose Jon Stewart to host his big tribute dinner. So liberal but definitely not a Democrat and very definitely not a Republican. Let's remember that the highly Conservative Morality in the Media brought Carlin to court over the "Seven Filthy Words" and it was the Liberal Supreme Court Justices who ruled in Carlin's favor
Norm Mcdonald is great and he clearly is conservative.
Norm Macdonald:
@normmacdonald
Mar 14, 2017
"I am not a conservative and have never been a conservative in my life."
Macdonald campaigned for Andrew Yang in 2020.
Face it. Conservatives are funnier.
- We've established you don't even know what liberal and conservative mean.
Sitcoms now. Sitcoms are all liberal and it's why they suck now days.
- The Office
- Arrested Development
- Louis
- 30 Rock
- Parks & Recreation
- Curb Your Enthusiasm
- The IT Crowd
- The Good Place
- Spaced
- etc.
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@Lunatic
I'm volunteering at the Telluride Film Festival this week, so I am out.
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Bill Maher was saying just last Friday that the reason the right wing can't do comedy is because liberals aren't funny but I don't think that's even close to true. I think liberals are just as silly and misinformed and hypocritical as the right.
The theatrical genre of Greek comedy can be described as a dramatic performance pitting two groups, ages, genders, or societies against each other in an amusing agon or conflict. Northrop Frye depicted these two opposing sides as a "Society of Youth" and a "Society of the Old." A revised view characterizes the essential agon of comedy as a struggle between a relatively powerless youth and the societal conventions posing obstacles to his hopes. In this struggle, the youth then becomes constrained by his lack of social authority, and is left with little choice but to resort to ruses which engender dramatic irony, which provokes laughter.
- If comedy is always on the side of youth, as defined, than comedy is inherently more liberal.
- Dramatic irony requires at least two version of the truth to be held up side by side and the humor comes from the failure of the apparent truth and the wisdom of the newly perceived truth. Conservatives and right-wingers are inherently more concrete in their definitions and so less funny. Its like that old saying that conservatives love their country like their mother while liberals love their country like a lover. You can make fun of a lover but its seldom as funny to make fun of you mom.
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@TheUnderdog
-->@oromagiI don't know the difference between censoring Richard Spencer and censoring Lila Rose, or censoring Colin Kaepernick.
I have never heard of Lila Rose but I've never seen any evidence of Ricard Spencer or Colin Kaepernick being censored.
The only difference is how popular their ideas are. White nationalism isn't that popular, but being pro life is much more popular than that.
White Nationalism is enjoying it greatest popularity since the 1950's according to the FBI.
In reality, it shouldn't matter how popular an idea is; all ideas should be allowed to be said without fear of being cancelled by everyday Americans.
I think FOX News has taught you to bitch and moan about every opposing argument as censorship. Kaepernick is not being censored- the NFL and team owners have a right to not hire a guy because he's too political or whatever. Trump certainly wanted to censor him but our Constitution kept him from doing that. Kaepernick is a free man with a perfect right to say whatever he wants- that is how you can tell he is not being censored. I'm sure your definitions of censorship regarding Spencer and Rose are likewise overwrought and inaccurate.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So, game over now. You scum or town?
I am TOWN. .
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@Earth
The thing is about the miller claim is that cop is extremely weak in this game.
Why do you say that. Because of 3X? Is 3X really "extremely weak"?
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-->@oromagi
I've seen people advocate for banning pro lifers, for banning people who believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I've met plenty of people that are fine with someone getting beat up for misgendering. An entire family personally hates me for being open about my disapproval of BLM.
It is impossible to evaluate such generalities and certainly not in keeping with my experience. If you give me a specific case of some institution banning people for PRO life opinion, we can evaluate that case on its merits. Otherwise, it just sounds like more FOX News grievance bullshit.
The left (and the right) is polarizing this country and we are heading towards a civil war.
And yet only a tiny group of right wingers who get their news from Russian posts on Facebook and Fox News and infowars are talking about civil war. Only one political wing is shrinking rapidly and is thinking about Civil War as a desperate effort to maintain power. The rest of America, most of America, is talking about infrastructure, voting rights, improving education, improving healthcare, etc.
I notice you are characterizing people who advocate for social justice as extremists. Why would any good citizen be against social justice?Social justice is very vague and people shouldn't back vague causes.
Liberty is vague... may I assume that you are anti-freedom?
The pursuit of happiness is vague....may I assume you don't advocate the Declaration of Independence?
Believing in social justice means believing that society works best when society is fair and reasonable. I think America was invented to promote social justice and that you're not really on board with the American project unless you think American society should be fair and reasonable.
SJWs believe in hating anybody who is even the slightest bit right of center.
Well, SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR was a term invented by the alt-right during the gamergate controversy as a term of derision. If you are wondering who is hating who, a good place to start is who is making up the derisive terms. That fact alone tells us much about who is doing the hating.
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Looks like every dude who attacked our Nation's Capitol on Jan 6th. When the alt-Right invented the term, it was decidedly projected at feminists and I always picture a woman when the alt-Righters use the term.
Similarly, if your definition of, "social justice" is vehemently hating anybody who disagrees with even one tenant of left leaning theory,
I have never seen a single solitary person ever use this definition of Social Justice Warrior.
then normal people are going to disapprove of SJW theory.
There is nothing to your IF so there is nothing to your THEN.
Here is the problem and it has nothing to do with the left. You are being lied to and you are willingly and unquestioningly believing those lies. You, Alec, have a responsibility to check these facts and your failure to do so has led you to believe a lot of things about America and Americans that are simply not true.
mediabiasfactcheck.Analysis / BiasIn review, PJ Media is a popular conservative news and opinion website that garners 13 million+ page views per month. PJ Media uses moderately loaded emotional language in their articles that favor the right, such as this: Suspended Pentagon Whistleblower Says FBI’s Russia Probe Was ‘All a Set-Up.’ When it comes to the sourcing of information, they usually use credible right-leaning media sources. However, they also use poor sources such as Jihad Watch, which has been labeled a hate group by the SPLC. Almost all stories reviewed favored the right and denigrated the left through wording and story selection.Failed Fact Checks
- Do ‘Liberals’ at the University of Texas Want to Designate Masculinity a Mental Illness? – FALSE
- Between 2008 and 2014, “criminal aliens accounted for 38 percent of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida, and New York.” – FALSE
- “During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic and that they would be very happy with his policies.” – FALSE
- Clinton sent Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi to Retrieve Stinger Missiles – UNPROVEN
- No, 96% of Google news stories on Trump aren’t from left-wing outlets – FALSE
- In January 2020, U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar advised Iran to attack Trump-branded hotels worldwide, thus committing treason. – FALSE
Overall, we rate PJ Media to be Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as numerous failed fact checks
Fact checkers like Snopes and Politifact shoot down Pajamas Media and Senior Editor Tyler O'Neil all the time. Look with your own eyes at the mentally ill Army Vet being harrassed by O'Neil in the video. Look at his ZZ Top beard and unkempt hair. If this is representative of the kind of people who you have a problem with than you are just picking on sad loners. This dude does not represent any kind of political movement and to make a newspaper article about provoking him is just cruel and selfish.
RT stands for RUSSIA TODAY.
"RT (formerly Russia Today) is a Russian state-controlled international television network funded by the federal tax budget of the Russian government"
This is a classic example of Putin's propaganda attack on our country and the way the right-wing blindly helps Putin attack us. You should always check all of your sources for links to Russian Intelligence but if you are using Russia Today as your source then you are broadcasting that you are not even trying to vet your sources. Please stop spreading enemy propaganda in your country.
Just look at how your opinion is being manipulated here. Jamil Smith argues that the term pro-life should be retired like the Redskins name or Aunt Jemima. Russia turn that into "they're trying to ban us!" and you fall for that lie. Why?
I think you should work much harder at finding truthful sources, at least ones that aren't actively trying to bring your country down.
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Believe me or not, I’ve experienced it a couple of times in the past couple of years.It’s like opening up a warm oven with the air pressure hitting your face & head while simultaneously getting tinnitus (a constant ringing in the ear.)
I get tinnitus a lot so I wonder if I'd even notice.
I think it is microwaves causing brain inflammation. I think it is probably Russians because the Trump admin. kept suppressing the event and refusing to publish suspicions on Russia.
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@TheUnderdog
One hundred percent straw, man.
I notice you are characterizing people who advocate for social justice as extremists. Why would any good citizen be against social justice?
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I think what we are supposed to do in this situation is nolynch because if we mislynch, game over.
I'm not sure that really buys us anything, tho.
for me, it is between WF and Disc and I think WF is the obvious choice.
Pie tried hard to kill Disc, much harder than he would have done if Disc was scum.
WF tried to save Pie last minute and then realized how scummy that looked and hammered.
I like Narrator better than mewtwo but I like MILLER after COP better than third VANILLA.
mewtwo still stands out as a bad claim but why would scum make such a bad claim early on?
Whiteflame has never actively scum hunted this game and after Pie died has minimized participation.
VTL Whiteflame
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@Discipulus_Didicit
-->@oromagiAre you scum?
nope.
Let's think back on the Pie lynch. Vote was tied 3-3 and I put the 4th on pie which precipitated his fall.
- When pie hit L-1, whiteflame UNVOTED, asked for Supa's reasons for voting Pie and then returned for the hammer
- You never voted for PIe.
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I kind of have this feeling it is still WF but it is def one of the VANILLAs so I will go along with EG.
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@Vader
What do you think of Whiteflame's backdown?
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If it's Disc or Pie or don't really have a strong conviction either way. Based on characters, Mewtwo still seems scummier than Charizard. However, I don't know Pokémon. Lunatic was convinced Charizard was the scummier claim. Whiteflame seems to feel the same way. I think Supa has a pretty good gut when it comes to Pie. I don't have a strong argument here, I am more trusting Whiteflame & Supa's convictions.
UNVOTE
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I wonder if Fauxlaw knows he's in the hall of fame.
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@ILikePie5
I feel like one of the Vanillas has scum soWF, Oro, EvilAnd then one of the claimed roles has scumDisc, Wylted, Earth
I was just thinking we should all agree there's too many VANILLAs.
If you are selecting from a cast of characters for VANILLA-like qualities, does rival Gary Oak or Narrator really qualify as VANILLA. I'd say no but MISTY is like his best friend- she doesn't seem very VANILLA either. I don't know. If I had to pick between WhiteFlame and EG, I'd probably pick Whiteflame- his character claim is off-brand and his play has been quite reserved, in spite of being the subject matter expert. No real scum hunting. WF is probably also liklier SCUM than any first-timer game mechanic wise.
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@Wylted
That retarded justification strengthens my town read of oro
What are you talking about? Last DP you were bitching that I am always town. Of course, you would not have argued that if you thought there was a chance I might be scum this game because that would immediately disprove you. No. You were already very confident I was town- confident enough to complain about me being town. Of course, when one is TOWN, one can't say with confidence who else is TOWN- that's the point of the game. The only time one is confident about who is TOWN is when one is scum.
Last DP you were very certain I was town. So why are you lying about your read being strengthened here? If you weren't already confident I was TOWN, you would not have complained about me being TOWN in DP1.
UNVOTE
VTL Wylted
- My guess is that scum is in the VANILLAs
- Let's count INNOCENT CHILD as VANILLA
- Let's agree that a DP4 reveal is suspiciously high in a ten man game.
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@whiteflame
I am angry at Ash for breaking my bicycle when we first meet and I follow Ash around until he can fix it. I occasionally help Ash and eventually we become friends. Therefore, I am VANILLA.
Not exactly a tight syllogism.
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@Wylted
What justification makes Brock INNOCENT CHILD?
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@Evilgenius
What justification makes Gary Oak VANILLA?
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@whiteflame
What justification makes NARRATOR VANILLA?
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@FLRW
His last post said he was going to bed. Let's assume he's sleeping.
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Fauxlaw is a published author. I won't relate any of his personal info here but will say that the answers to most of your questions are easily googled.
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@zedvictor4
Did I miss something?
He did say goodbye in his last post 24 days ago:
I suggest getting an honorable mention as the debater in the top 20 with the most no-vote ties: 8 of 11 ties that no one, zip, nada, bothered to read and vote. Over 400 of you who are "active," which is one of the site activities, yeah?, cannot be bothered to read and vote. If I was not also in the top ten in voting [in fact, for my single year, plus presence, I've voted more often than just 7 of you], so I'm trying to contribute, and wish that more did, as well. Thanks, everybody for your ignorance. What is this site all about, anyway? It's apparently premature efactulation; a bunch of adolescents who have no idea what stuff is really all about [and yet, most of you are well. beyond the trustable age, and are not yet trustable. That's 30, by the way, to boomers]. I have two more debates in in voting with no votes; go ahead; make it a round 10. There happen to be two more in voting with no votes. Make it an even dozen no vote ties. Congratulations. I have a life and I'll get back to it.Au revoir.
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@whiteflame
whiteflame and wytled are both suspiciously uninterested in scum hunting and I am looking the list of ROLE and thinking if they're not scum they probably aren't worth hiding their role.
VTL Whiteflame
what is your role, narrator?
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@Earth
We know cop was 3X but you are claiming full DOCTOR, right?
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@Vader
We know cop was 3X but you are claiming full TRACKER, right?
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I am VANILLA.
I claimed this in my first post of the game.
"All in vain" is an anagram for "VANILLA in"
And I linked to Wikipedia page for "Gorillas in the Mist"
Gorillas in the Mist
sort of rhymes with
VANILLA and MISTY
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@ILikePie5
Y’all are Pokémon experts. Is there a main Pokémon that fits Bomb better than Charizard?
I am the opposite of a Pokemon expert. As I said DP1, I would sooner french kiss Donald Trump than watch a Pokemon movie.
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