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@whiteflame
hmmmm.....polyglot stated " This will include characters only from the Indigo League."
and you're telling me that MewTwo is not part of that show?
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@whiteflame
given how the movie ended
I though Indigo League was the first season of the TV show?
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@ILikePie5
At the same time tho, in a 10 player game, if there are 2 scum it doesn’t really fit. 3 scum I could really see it happening because it can weaken scum by forcing a townie to be alive
If 3 scum, then a pretty obvious division is Pokémon vs humans.
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@Reece101
Science and equality and reason and human rights all emerged together hand in hand from the Age of Reason. The Right-wing gets its truth from church and country, the Left-wing gets its truth from consistent results. Science and liberalism are on the same search for reasoned truth, while the Right most believes that the essential truth is already achieved.
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@drlebronski
PRO MASS CLAIM
Oro
Lun
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bron
evil
ANTI MASS CLAIM
Pie
Wtflm
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PRO MASS CLAIM
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ANTI MASS CLAIM
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Wtflm
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PRO MASS CLAIM
Oro
Lun
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drle
ANTI MASS CLAIM
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They know all the characters it’s even easier for them to pick the likely PRs to kill.
Assuming that bron is telling the truth they already know how to take out Ash, likely a significant PR. If bron is not telling the truth then lets kill him. I'm still fine with a mass character claim.
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@ILikePie5
so first you're begging us to pressure Earth for claim and now you're begging Earth not to claim? While you are still VTL'ing him? How does this make any sense?
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@ILikePie5
-->@LunaticWe already have 4 claims, Earth isn't one of them. So at this point mafia already have a lot to work with. We are mass claiming now.How do you know the 4 people are town lolNot sure yet, day is still young. Game literally isn't even 24 hours old yet. Let's slow it down and play this thing by ear. Right now I am going with the mass claim, and we can see where we are after that.No mass claim lol. You’re just helping mafia lol. They know all the characters it’s even easier for them to pick the likely PRs to kill.Your strategy is literally contradictory lmao
triple lol + one lmao!
Fucking terrorist!
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@thett3
The idea of building a liberal democracy out of Afghanistan was absurd on its face and in a sane world would've gotten anyone who suggested such a thing laughed out of the room.
Agreed. Also, not our job, according to many promises we've made to many countries.
F for execution.
Disagree. The only important variable in the plan was the will of the Afghan government to lead. "No will to lead whatsoever" was one extreme of that variable that was taken seriously considered by US Intelligence and the present scenario represents the best case execution in light of that regrettable but predictable circumstance. I think our military was rather required and committed to relying on Afghan govt cover in the final weeks since that capacity at least was one of our stated missions for the last two decades. If we did the Afghan Govt's defense for them right up until Aug 31st, then we would have had to leave all those SIVs- translators, intel, engineers in place with the Afghan Govt. right up to Aug 31st and would never have an opportunity to evac. If we had evac'd all those competent SIVs out of the Afghan Govt before handing the war over to the Govt, we would have telegraphed our bad faith in the Afghans and then been blamed for precipitating collapse. The way Biden threaded the needle was deft- pull out ahead of schedule so we have a window of a few weeks in which we can evac a rational number of high priority SIVs. If we had moved much earlier, we'd be on the hook for taking on a lot more refugees. If we had moved much later, we wouldn't have been able to evac the highly trained and capable refugees we want. All that and zero US deaths so far? I call that a B+ at least.
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@Lunatic
Can I put your soft claim on the claims list? Character at least, since you made it pretty obvious I'd be surprised if mafia didn't already figure it out.
Depends on the mafia. I'm convinced half the players just skip right over my little soft claims.
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Trump 59 days ago:
"Afghanistan, where, by the way, I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process.
21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process when other things…yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It’s a shame. 21 years, by a government that wouldn’t last. The only way they last is if we’re there. What are we going to say? We’ll stay for another 21 years, then we’ll stay for another 50. The whole thing is ridiculous. So we’re bringing our troops back home from Iraq. We’re bringing troops come from Afghanistan. We brought them back home from Syria.”
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@Evilgenius
EG-
There's a link to a description of the ENABLER role in post #112. I try to remember to link a description for most claimed roles and characters. I like mafiascum because it usually gives some advice on how best to play the role.
That said, as we have been discussing, there's no specific description of any role that must be applied. There are a lot of conventional uses but TOWN gets screwed by unconventionally designed ROLES all the time. So, any site's ROLE description might be helpful for getting of sense of the role, but is not at all gospel and sometimes totally irrelevant.
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oromagi
Evilgenius
SupaDudz
Wylted
SCUM
LAZY VC
drlebronski (1/6) - oromagi
Discipulus_didicit (1/6) - Wylted
Earth (2/6) - ILikePie5, whiteflame
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@Earth
@Lunatic
Anyone with me on this? That's my vote. We either stop pushing claims now, or we mass claim.
I generally prefer to err on the side of overclaiming. I don't mind pressuring Earth for claim.
UNVOTE
VTL Earth
character claim first, then role claim conditionally
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@Wylted
->@oromagiSo you are promising to be inactive and promising not to scum hunt. Shouldn't that make you our number one SOP lynch?Disc is most likely scum
So you say but still refuse to actually give any reasons. Saying is not doing and the longer you don't do, the more likely you are scum.
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@Lunatic
Oro, I think one of your weaknesses in mafia is that you tend to expect every role to go by the book exactly, according to some definitition of a role you read and are familiar with. Where generally speaking, several sites view some roles differently than others do, or some roles have a similar name but function completely diffrently than others do. Or some mods just design the functionality of their role differently based on what they think is balanced.
We've had this discussion before so you know my answer. The weakness is not mine but DART's. Yes, different sites define ROLES differently but all other sites (that I've seen) use one consistent definition per ROLE. DART's weakness is that any ROLE claim is potentially valid because Game Mods are not required to use one specific, limited, defined set of ROLES. When other sites play mafia, part of the fun is reasoning whether a ROLE claim matches the predefined rule set- a nonconforming claim is likely scum. Here, any role claim, no matter how non-conforming is potentially valid and a big aspect of gameplay totally lost. It's like suddenly claiming a pawn is a checker and hopping to the far side for kinging. Good games use a defined set of abilities for each game piece.
I strongly believe that there should be one list of potential roles (no matter how large) and one set of standard rules for DART mafia games and that we'll never attract a regular set of players until such basic standards are applied.
it irks me to see people being suspected on claim alone, or an IWWTT statement alone, etc, etc, when time and time again we see mods not following some strict formula like that.
And it irks me that Mods don't follow some basic standard that allows us to suspect players on claim alone or on WWT statement alone, as the game was originally designed and as everybody else seems to play on all other sites except ours, sites that attract more regular and enthusiastic players.
You are an amazing debater, you usually source well, and like to follow facts straight through, so
Don't get me hard before dinnertime, please.
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@949havoc
-->@oromagi" A white flag signifies to all that an approaching negotiator is unarmed, with an intent to surrender or a desire to communicate. Persons carrying or waving a white flag are not to be fired upon, nor are they allowed to open fire."Let's look at all of that statement:" A white flag signifies to all that an approaching negotiator is unarmed, with an intent to surrender or a desire to communicate. Persons carrying or waving a white flag are not to be fired upon, nor are they allowed to open fire."Do we accept all of the statement, or ignore the bolded underlined portion as an optional specific meaning of a white flag?
Read my post more carefully. Whether Trump's intention was surrender or negotiation (I'd say the latter), any such signal necessarily preceded peace negotiations which began April 2019- two years before Biden.
So, according to you, we can ignore stupid Americans?
Not can, must. There's a point where some Americans' willful stupidity is threatening the safety of useful, intelligent Americans. If govt. is evacuating the coast before a hurricane, for example, officials should first make contact with everybody they can and then, as time allows, return to try to convince the stupid hangers on. But at some point, the threat of imminent harm overtakes govt.'s good faith efforts to evacuate and we have to leave the stubborn stragglers to their destiny.
To call that abandonment is unfair to the police and firefighters trying their best to evacuate.
In the case of Afghanistan, CAT5 made landfall last week and Americans had a year and half's prior notice. Govt. will still make a good faith effort to save American lives but to call the unsaved "abandoned" is false and dismissive of the govt. massive good faith efforts.
Am I missing something that I don't see that distinction as a dismissal of the fourth amendment?
What does the US rights vs unreasonable search & seizure have to do with anything? Non-sequitur.
So, it isn't discriminatory to ignore stupid Americans?
Yes it is discriminatory, one of the most essential qualities of good government is summoning the courage to ignore the stupid people.
Seems we educate today with the intent of growing that population.
Non-sequitur.
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Ash could also be a Mafia ROLEBLOCKER for all we know. If bron is being forthright here and Ash is TOWN, then he is by far the number one target for NK, right now.
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@whiteflame
How do you like Professor Oak as a character claim for an ENABLER?
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@Wylted
->@Wylted
I am just going to pop in to vote disc on all dps. If I am mod killed I am mod killed. Maybe I post fluff just to look active and avoid mod kill, but there are plenty of reasons to lynch him beyond POE
If you were TOWN you'd be listing those reasons, right? The fact that you are merely indicating without informing is profoundly scummy.
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@ILikePie5
-->@Discipulus_Didicit @Evilgenius @Lunatic @oromagi @whiteflameHelp me pressure Earth
why earth?
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@ILikePie5
Or if Ash doesn’t exist at all then we have our scum
How will we know that there is no Ash except by collecting all character claims?
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@Wylted
I am just going to pop in to vote disc on all dps. If I am mod killed I am mod killed. Maybe I post fluff just to look active and avoid mod kill, but there are plenty of reasons to lynch him beyond POE
So you are promising to be inactive and promising not to scum hunt. Shouldn't that make you our number one SOP lynch?
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@drlebronski
-->@oromagii didno, it just says if i die ash loses his role
OK, thanks.
Let's note that this is unusual.
An Enabler is linked to a specific role (such as Doctor), not types of role (such as protective); the Normal version of an Enabler is self-aware (and knows which role they enable). When the Enabler dies, all players lose the role that they are linked to, e.g. the death of a Doctor Enabler will cause every Doctor in the game to become useless.
Essentially, an enabler is charged with the same level of self-protection as the ROLE he is linked to. How is a player supposed to know how to play his role without knowing the role he's linked to?
I call this claim rather suspect and worthy of some kind of confirming investigation.
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@drlebronski
answer disc's question quickly, please.
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Help me pressure him
I want bron's answer first.
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@drlebronski
Tardy. What is your character claim?
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@949havoc
Joe Biden's flag is the white flag of surrender.
This is false.
" A white flag signifies to all that an approaching negotiator is unarmed, with an intent to surrender or a desire to communicate. Persons carrying or waving a white flag are not to be fired upon, nor are they allowed to open fire."
Negotiations were completed and a Peace Agreement signed on Feb 29th, 2020. Any signals by the US requesting communication preceded those acts.
Joe Biden has effectively surrendered to the Taliban, leaving who knows how many American citizens abandoned.
Absurd. The US State Dept has listed Afghanistan as an active war zone for more than 30 years and consistently advised all US citizens to stay the fuck out for all of those 30 years. For those idiots who chose to ignore the govt's strong warnings, the State Dept. required all US citizens to register with the US Embassy is Afghanistan and check out again when leaving. Every US citizen who followed govt. regulation and is not part of any US military mission has been offered a free ride home and is either evacuated or declined the offer. The US has been telling US citizens to evacuate immediately since March 1st, 2020. How many times does the government need to beg US citizens to leave an active warzone before it stops getting characterized as "abandonment" of those who refuse to leave?
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@ILikePie5
I’d like to pursue Earth as a policy
You and the Moon
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Play Advice
If you are a Miller, there are two schools of thought about optimal play:
The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be eliminated or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well. This is by far the most common way to play the role on mafiascum.net.
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I once bought a Pokémon Sun and Moon starter set and a bunch of packs for my nephew. I took him and his friends to a couple of sessions at the local game store to get taught strategy and trading. That's pretty much the extent of my experience (and interest) in the game.
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@drlebronski
UNVOTE
VTL drlebronski
for show
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oromagi
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whiteflame
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Lunatic
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Evilgenius
Discipulus_Didicit
SupaDudz
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@949havoc
-->@oromagiYes, marketing would be viewed mostly as a growth effort, but on the other hand, who knows what influence a comment here or there off-site has?
I assume none since I've never seen any evidence of influence.
No, I'm not at all familiar with Debate.org, and had no idea this site is a refugee conclave. Surely, not all, and certainly not me..
No, not all and that history is not at all important to participation here. I hope you will feel very welcome.
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@949havoc
-->@oromagiI cannot argue anything you've said, and, surely, no-vote debates are probably a problem, even if not a significant problem. At least, I hope it isn't significant - say, above 10 or 15% - but I don't see the time used in determining that an efficient use of time. Perhaps that issue could be automatically counted with someone's re-programming of the stats - a moderator?
Well, a guy we just voted into the hall of fame a couple of weeks ago made a big speech about how screwed up voting is and has not returned, so no-votes are probably best characterized as an increasing problem.
I have recommended:
- auto-loss on first forfeit (to save voters time and effort)
- setting debates for a minimum number of votes before closing- 3 seems reasonable
- Make voting the price of initiating a debate: something like writing 3 votes earns you 1 debate
The first of these has some support, the latter two less so. None seems to enjoy better than 50% support amongst active debaters.
But, with your being the clear leader in debate rating, I value your opinion.
Leaderboard ratings are deceptive, too. I have no formal debate experience and I would not call myself better at debating than most of the others on the top 20. The leaderboard rewards quantity over quality.
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@MonkeyKing
-->@oromagiIn fact, atheists generally enjoy better health than members of any religion.Last I checked, this study lacked specificity. It was noted by the researchers that this study did not differentiate between atheists and simply those non-secular as well as it lumped together anyone of any belief as one category. While still possibly true, in contrast its then equally fair to source the studies saying that those of religious standing are normally happier than those who are not.
I agree that the study lacked specificity, although I looked at abstracts from 4 studies before making the claim. I just preferred this study's summary. But nobody just put a religion up against Atheism.
As for specifics, I would like to see a comparison between LDS, 7th Day Adventists, Jews (all famously healthier than GenPop) and Atheists.
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btw, might you be interested? I see you top the list in debate performance, and I would not shy away from such a challenge
my next few debates are reserved and I have been procrastinating on initiating those for a long time.
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@Wylted
For example the Mayan prophecy that predicted the exact day, hour and minute that they would see their first white guy, is beyond coincidence
Sounds like total bullshit to me. Do you have any evidence to back this claim?
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