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True but for the last part— money in investment accounts IS being put to work. If I had to think of ways of making money dormant (other than under the mattress), I would say buying precious metals and crypto.

thett, I still imagine you as a boy hugging a duck. Crazy shit.

This is an example of an emotional reaction. Both the liberal and conservative want good things for poor people, but the liberal is mad at the rich and will make simplistic policies like the following

"Derp, poor good rich bad. We need to punish rich through redistribution of wealth and help the poor"

Meanwhile your average conservative would do an analysis to see what policies would actually help the poor as opposed to the reaction that merely feels good. 

That’s true, and I was tempted to give him a D- because I approve of him resisting the crazies who want escalation with Russia. Having a president old enough to remember the Cuban missile crisis does have some advantages.

I think it is a bit difficult to judge Biden already, but I'll do my best.

I do think that if the Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade in the upcoming term that will greatly improve Democrat's odds for retaining both houses of Congress and perhaps incentivize a movement to pass a privacy amendment to the Constitution.

My preferred standard would largely consist of education, birth control availability, medical care, etc. You know, things that would actually prevent abortions (I know, I keep wrongly acting like that is the goal of the pro-life movement).

The relevance of this is fleeting due to rarity, but yes, I would be fine with mandated C-Sections for any viable third trimester fetus... Barring exceptional circumstances, like some crazed cult took over the local government and prevented access until then.

I always think I am missing something because I constantly wonder why the Republicans don't make relatively minor concessions to the left and basically cuck the Democrats out of solving Healthcare or the housing crisis. The Republicans have to have some skin in the housing issue because "a wife, two kids, a house with a lawn" is the right's Earthly Heaven.

it makes me wonder why nobody was flying the syrian flag when those refugees were fleeing from RUSSIAN bombs

Isn't it interesting how white liberals treat the quality of being black as some kind of unique, race-based original sin that only the Democratic party can provide salvation for?  The messiah complex they all seem to have is really bizarre.  It's tempting to write that off as just performative, but I think it's more than that for them.  

It's a predictable pattern.  Gay boys are especially vulnerable targets for this witchcraft, which is why it's personal for me.  Don't like your life as a 7-14 year old?  Well, you must have been born in the wrong body!  As a therapeutic measure, let's give you the same drugs that the state of Texas uses to chemically castrate violent sex offenders, pump you full of opposite-sex hormones and praise you for overcoming your "struggle" with "gender dysphoria." 

What people fail to realize is the fact that something is held out as "therapeutic" does not make it so.  The approach with hormones and "reassignment surgery" is identical to that taken by psychiatrists who forced lobotomies and involuntary sterilization on the feeble minded, and castration on non-heterosexuals.  

I think what we currently call "the right" and "the left" correlate to a divide that is grounded in on biological/psychosocial predisposition --- which are prior to any political ideology, or that ideology's embodiment at any particular point in time.  The words we use to describe each such embodiment vary as do the meanings associated with those words (for example, "conservative" includes "populist" now whereas it did not before 2016).  But the divide hasn't changed. 

  Particularly among millenials and gen-z, because they simultaneously (a) know nothing other than the here and now and (b) incurred no personal costs to creating the universe of good in the status quo, they take it for granted.  So, when they experience something they don't like, they understand it as "oppression" and blame the system from which they came.  Of course, their current struggle can't be the result of their own life choices.  So, by taking on the purported "struggles" of others, they give their lives meaning and orient their ire against the status quo itself. 

This is important, because of how existentially meaningless life in modernity actually is.  If you're a chaotic disaster of a person, you don't have your life in order and you can't even make your bed in the morning, you also probably don't have a family, you likely never will, most likely won't even be able to maintain a committed relationship with another person, much less initiate one, which if you even did you'd probably screw it up and blame it on the other person.  Without God, organized religion, community institutions or other meaningful social connections, what even is there?  A job, that's probably unenjoyable and unfulfilling, pays a slave wage at best and entails no realistic opportunity for advancement, much less retirement?   Why wouldn't you want to distract yourself with some nonsensical pursuit of "social justice" when that's the monster you're trying to make sure stays locked in the closet?  

People need meaning to their lives.  They need a purpose.  Social justice and progress supply it.  That's why rational conversations with people on the progressive left can't even be had; their advocacy for those objectives is too intertwined with their own sense of themselves for them to be able to consider the possibility that they might be wrong.  

• First, it is irrational to think that by simply doing "something," the situation will improve.  Doing nothing is often the better course of action.  Careful consideration must be undertaken before acting, and the bigger the action proposed the more carefully it needs to be considered.  
  
• Second, the world is full of problems.  The fact that problems are identified does not mean that the system needs to be changed from the top down, or even if it does that progressives are the people to do it.  History is replete with examples of catastrophe, brought on unnecessarily by the stupidity of precipitous, myopic action --- however well intended.  The gender discussions we currently have as a society will fall into this category, in about twenty years.  But it will take a generation to realize how stupid all of that is before it's corrected. 
  
•  Third, the right's challenge should be to figure out a way to get the postmodern progressives to have a stake in the system.  Expanding opportunities for home ownership would probably be a good place to start.  That, and promoting marriage between two people.  
  

This brings me back to a point I made above, which is that right-wingers need to give left-wingers a chance to earn a stake in the status quo.  That proposition reminds me of Edmund Burke's recommendation that conservatives "change, to conserve."  For example, while Burke didn't advocate for gay marriage, David Cameron did based on the fact that if you deny marriage to an entire category of people for whatever reason, at least a cohort of those people are going to question not only the institution of marriage but the very proposition of a family based around it.  The greater good is served by preserving the nature of marriage, but changing the form of its composition.  In so doing, the institution survives; remaining as the foundational unit of society.  

I just don’t think that’s it. The simple fact is that it’s always easier to give something than to take it away. Conservatism is about conservation, so it will always be the position on the losing end of change. 

Animal farming culture children  have lived with animals all of their lives over last 1000's of years.

Dude, you are a prude and need awaken and smell the truth about life, as all children of any age need to.

Florida's governor may take action to stop children and adults from using word ' gay ' on school property.

That sense of ownership comes from a place of trust in the system itself, or at least the idea that you’re supposed to be able to trust it. It’s why the stolen election narrative is such a big thing on the right. To them the system is supposed to work, so invoking a sense of threat is very effective. On the left the notion tends to be that the system never worked, so claiming the election was stolen really wouldn’t have an impact. Liberals instead tend to focus on the people, which is why cancel culture is more prevalent there.

Take background checks for instance; it has something like 93% support. But if democrats put a bill on the floor what happens? Here come the conspiracy theories about democrats trying to take everyone’s guns. By the time the fear mongers are done every conservative in America is standing by with an ak47 in their hand declaring war on the imaginary gun snatchers. Ok I’m exaggerating, but not really. It’s just easier to rile people up than to inspire them, so change is difficult to say the least.

I'm a little confused. Could you expand a little more on what you mean with conservatives being tactical and why you think that doesn't incrementally change things the way that a 'strategic' style does?

 If you try to tear down all traditional forms of identity like the three Rs (race, religion, and region) you are going to have people coming up with increasingly weirder forms of identity like these wacky 100s of sexualities they have now. When you try to minimize the inherent qualities of gender and that your identity is what you choose, you will have people denying biological realities and thinking they can be whatever gender they want- including those more than just the mentally ill. Even supporting a structure of glorifying victims/pushing affirmative action (benefits for supposedly oppressed) you create a system where there are going to be more made up identities to get the favor of this system.

 Liberals tend to focus their activism on platforms and through spaces like the Oscar’s or through sports. Conservatives focus their energy at the voting booth and also things like school board meetings.

It’s why despite the fact that most liberal policies enjoy overwhelming support nationally, national elections are still so close.

If liberals treated politics the way conservatives do, either the parties would shift dramatically left or the republicans would be an insignificant minority.

So, could you give me an example of INTPs that identify as right-wing?

you ever interacted with or live in western europe to say that?

If they had left well enough alone holding onto the Obama coalition which included massive numbers of working class whites would have put republicans in the political wilderness for decades.

Just to expand on this, I think another issue with the right-wing in this country as opposed to the left-wing is that we often don't seem to have something that we aspire to. If you ask a liberal what they want, they will often have a pretty specific answer for you. It will often be some egalitarian utopia that won't be ever possible to achieve. So, they will forever have this end goal to aspire to, not unlike religion.

However, if you ask most conservatives what they want, you'll not get some great vision. You'll generally get a response like wanting the 1950s back or back in the prime of [insert name of some world empire]- something that has come and gone. We are willing to settle for a civilization too easily. The most prevalent statement for what conservatives want is related to be against something rather than for something. For example, we don't like CRT, we don't want sex changes for mentally ill children, we don't like how the welfare state is currently set up- we just look at things and want them to be different than they are. We are only really united by the feeling that things aren't as they should be.

Yes, tho apparrently not to you.  Win a few loose a few.  Your not much of loss ---too me--  when it comes to truth about conservatives.

When you want to step outside of conservative bubble of comfort, watch the movie.  

I take it you’re not talking 2022/2024 elections but thinking long term?

Liberals: “Don’t just sit there; do SOMETHING!”

Conservatives: “Don’t just DO something; make sure it’s BETTER than doing nothing or nothing new.”

Here’s a funny twist on that generalization:  Sweden, normally viewed as the liberal’s dream realized on earth, decided not to institute lockdowns during COVID. Well, the US press— one of the institutions overrun by the left— did a complete 180 on Sweden and published only negative articles on its failure to do SOMETHING. I’ve never seen a welfare state so demonized in media. It was as if the press felt betrayed.

Do you think I'm left or right, thett?

I probably have more cultural and ideological ties to the average Russian than the average American. Which is why I am supporting Russia.

I'm assuming that it would still show the same trend of people making more having less children, just because that anecdotally has seemed to be the case.