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And this study finds just that: higher fertility for men with more income and more "child bearing unions" (I'm assuming that means they get remarried/new relationship and having more kids). Also finds lower fertility the more money women make

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2018.00022/full

Nope, because gender is grounded in biology as well - your mind is as biologic as your junk, thats something that needs to be expressed very clearly. What being a woman is, is how you experience it, it seems to me like you are trying to needlessly narrow it. But I always priortize the brain to the junk, sorry buddy. 

Here is a 2017 study that found that higher income was strongly correlated with having fewer children. In fact, it was a straight decline from the highest birth rates in the under $10k category to the lowest birthrates in the over $200k income category, with one exception ($10-15k was lower than surrounding) https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

You've missed the point. I am not advocating for monetary reparations.

When we consider factors such as POC being many times more likely to be pulled over, POC being many times more likely to be charged with drug offenses (when blacks and white use and sell illegal drugs at similar rates), POC being more likely to be excused from juries, white defendants being more likely to be offered plea bargains, etc., that statistic unravels and corroborates the existence of an unfair system.

Given the obstacles systemic racism provides, it would be no surprise (and not unreasonable) if there was a greater need for help in black communities. However, as it stands now, blacks are the not the prime welfare beneficiaries. For instance, ~37 % of SNAP participants are white as compared to ~26 % black. Whites burden the system moreso than blacks.

If you go back and look at the post you responded to, you'll see listed quite a few ways society has benefitted from the labor, resources, and stolen potential of the black community.

If you feel guilty being told white people have been responsible for a multitude of evils from which they still benefit and from which POC still struggle, all I can say is the truth hurts. We need to own up to transgressions (past and present) as well as our  stolen inheritance, and start being part of the solution for a change.

The federal guidance is not likely to change, and at the provincial level most of the reopening was going to happen anyway. Reopening in Ontario specifically has been planned for a while: the west has been pretty gung-ho about opening up at varying points throughout the whole pandemic.

I agree with everything you listed for both sides, but I don’t know what you mean by this one and am curious.

3. How exactly do you identify when you think someone else is not “thinking for themselves”?

- Also, what other faith related views have you discarded or adopted in general during your time on this Forum? & why? 

I have seen them harm a ton of children. Innocent children. Not stuff I watched on Waco or things like that where they literally burned kids alive, but in person up close and personal, I have seen them hurt children. 

Last I checked, TFR in India was like 2.1, and it was predicted to be below replacement by 2030, though maybe something changed since I last checked. 

I suspect the crash in births was mostly just a consequence of countries growing? Like the current birthrate is probably the “natural rate” at current income levels, holding constant pre-2015 culture or something. 

Yeah. I’m more worried, actually, about the implications on long-run economic growth than on deficits or the size of the labor force. Chad Jones has a paper on this, in which he models the effect of declining populations on growth. It doesn’t look good. 

I’ll read it and post there later today! But for what it’s worth, in developed countries especially, I think low birthrates are concerning. I think they’re especially concerning for long-run economic growth. More people means more ideas and more technological progress, which is the path to economic growth in countries where simply “catching up” through capital accumulation is no longer possible. 

I like policy proposals such as child allowances that make it easier to have kids. I also like policy proposals by liberals to lower the cost of living, like building a lot more market-rate housing. I’m uncertain about how to change culture in ways that makes having kids more widely-accepted. I also like a lot more immigration, to temporarily mitigate some of the consequences of low birthrates. It isn’t quite a permanent solution, though, and it doesn’t fix the problem at its root. 

I think the picture in developing countries is a bit more complicated, because the relevant question is how it affects catch-up growth. India’s TFR looks likely to drop below replacement by 2030, which seems like losing an important “demographic dividend” to engage in labor-intensive manufacturing, which is scary. On the other hand, there’s some research – such as this one, by David Weil and others – suggesting that increases in population density hurt people’s quality of life in developing countries. 

Look, I’m not giving you an inch. Like I said, race/racism is to do with perceived cultural divides, which you agreed with, but then in the next sentence you used a third person as a front for beliefs your trying to cling on to.  A reasonable, well meaning person my ass. What an intellectual coward. 

I don’t know why you’re trying to justify ignorance. You don’t think race/racism is to do with perceived cultural divides?

Yeah you’re only telling me the extent to which people are ignorant. 

So most people don’t believe antisemitism is racist?  

I agree. Though you shouldn’t enable ignorance. 

So let’s agree that bringing up your race and black people in general, is irrelevant to the conversation when it comes to falsely held beliefs. 

I understand why a modern day white person such as yourself would think it’s reasonable for a modern day black person to think certain falsehoods. 

Is this directed at me or just a general concern? I operate in the market place of ideas.

Racism was the driving force for the atrocities. Race isn’t just skin colour, it’s cultural. Nazi’s saw Jews as an out-group to put it mildly. 

It wasn't that long. There were about ~40 years with little immigration during the infancy of our country between 1790-1830; the immigrant population actually exploded decades before the Civil War largely in part to the Irish potato famine. However even though the influx of immigration changed over time, my point is that this country has seen a significant amount of immigration since its inception. Yes there was a temporary lull between the 1920s and 1960s, but that was 60 years ago. What are you - like 30 years old? There have been 30+ million immigrants that came here since you were born with the last two decades bringing more immigrants than ever before. So for you to say you "like the way things are" just seems weird since the number of immigrants doubled over the span of your life. The way things are = diversity.  And going back to a previous topic, a lot of immigrants tend to be (at least socially) conservative which would seem to increase the chances of preserving the cultural elements you value. You probably have more values and political views in common with a Mexican immigrant than a native Californian. 

But we all agree there are limitations. What about the people who want to ban guns? Should we get to vote on slavery? What if we can prove it's in the economic  interest of the country ?  As I said elsewhere, we can't divorce individual rights from the immigration debate. Even if you don't think immigrants qualify for rights per se, what about the Americans who want to hire a foreign worker or sell their house to someone born in another country? Conservatives claim to be the ones who prioritize individual rights whereas leftists tend to be skeptical of private property. I am not. The rejection of immigration rights and the shrugging off of institutionalized bigotry and free trade is far more dismissive of private property rights than anything I believe. 

 They make the journey because they live dangerous, depressing, dead-end lives and want the opportunity for a better one. That's why all immigrants that aren't slaves come here. That's why your ancestors came here.  It's interesting how you've chosen to frame and justify the policies that exclude some. I suspect it comes from your intuitive understanding that what they endure is tragic and unjust which brings up some cognitive dissonance. As I was saying to Pie, this is why it's so hard for me to take the anti-choice position seriously as a moral argument from the same group re: abortion. It is inconceivable that conservatives are "horrified" by the death of a human being that isn't conscious, while accepting the death of actual children essentially as collateral damage for unnecessary policies. 

It depends. Historically it's been avoided by  immigrants not going for  the same jobs and/or natives shifting to other (often higher paying) jobs. This was the same argument that was used to keep women out of the workforce by the way, but wages of both men and women increased as more women entered the workforce. There are several reasons for that we can discuss if you would like to and I'll admit there are plenty of variables. The main thing to consider with immigration or working women is that it boosts labor demand, not just labor supply. When women went to work, they made money to spend. It increased demand for childcare, domestic services, dining outside the home, etc. Immigrants don't just come here to work. They consume.  

That is what happened in the late 1960s after the end of the bracero guest worker visa program. In other words, restricting immigration did not raise the wages of low-skilled native workers; the work was automated instead. Another thing that happened was that low-skilled workers shifted industries which arguably grew the economy in other areas. 

It's disheartening that  I'm the only person here to outright refute the idiotic idea that "immigrants don't assimilate." They do and their children definitely do.  

Yup. There's only so much the school can do when parents refuse to raise their kids properly. Doesn't matter how well-paid the teachers are, or how well-designed the curriculum is. It sucks to admit as a policy wonk, but some problems really are entirely cultural and out of the government's hands. 

1) "Lets reform education." --- First of, make education fair. Simply living in a poor neighbourhood should not be reason for your school to lack necesary funding. Second, college tuitions should not put you in dangerous levels of debt and college should focus on teaching skills that actually are valuable in the workplace rather than purely academics and politics. Throughout the education process, at least untill high school, standardized testing and excessive homework should be abolished. These make children stressed and worsen their life quality while providing no concrete benefit. Having time for sleep, social life, recreational activities and resting is far more important and benefitial for students. We haven't changed the school system much since it was invented. If we want to reform it we will have to revise the way school works while utilizing new scientific findings about mental health in particular and learning generally.