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@Exotic
Or it could be because he’s assumed you’re a good debater because of your Asian heritage...
you're thinking of my gf, the prettiest and purest daughter of the khanate in whose veins runs the blood of the most violent of the steppe raiders
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@Exotic
You’re forgetting that thett actually can’t debate...
very true, that's probably why he challenged me....easy target
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@Castin
i disagree, you probably should ignore something if the ostensible victim isn’t offended. I didn't take it as an attack, I took it as banter between long time friends. under this standard I can’t make fun of my friends or vice versus because someone unaware of the context might view it as one person attacking another when that isn’t actually the case. Imo outside of something really egregious like doxxing i think you should interview the “victim”
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@Castin
where do you draw the line between a personal attack and banter?
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i’m a case in point i had pretty much abandoned this site until someone told me wylted had returned and I wanted to watch the fireworks, now i’ve dropped some good posts in the politics section I’m in a debate, joined a few hangouts etc. kinda a peverse incentive but it needs to be pointed out
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@bsh1
sounds like it was justified then and hopefully he learned his lesson. Obviously you can’t allow that and I’m not saying you should...I just think it’s important to note that the controversy that certain users generate can sometimes kick start a lot interesting discussion and pull in some less attached users
idk why wylted was banned. He seems to have an incredibly tight leash, I didn’t even get a warning for doing something far worse than what he did in that debate
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note how this place is a ghost town after the recent bans of wylted and rationalmadman. Controversial members can be annoying and obviously you can’t let them go too crazy but they act as a giant boost of energy to the site. Idk what RM was banned for (looks like he is back already) but banning wylted over a thread attacking me when no one even asked if I was bothered by it was dumb
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@bsh1
where in the coc does it say someone cant create an account that has a name similar to someone who used to be on ddo?
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@SeaShelli24
ya know max, it was probably because of constant extreme vulgarity and personal attacks. That dude just can't control himself.
i figured, i was just mad i didnt get to speak with him before he was banned. he and i, we have unfinished business
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@SeaShelli24
I asked Max what this meant and he rolled his eyes so hard I thought he might break them. I finally got him to explain it and I couldn't stop laughing. Well played dude
thanks yo, tell him i say hi please
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@Wylted
owned son. maybe you’ll watch out next time you try to step to me
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wish I had taken this debate with you, some pretty strong arguments here bruv https://www.debateart.com/debates/244
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@Wylted
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@Wylted
nice try, but clearly you don't understand satire
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Perhaps we should put it to a vote since we no longer have airmax here to rig a bsh vs wylted election
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Wow, thanks for letting us know. I always suspected something like this was happening. Some of bsh’s extremely bizarre behavior (like sending wylted a nasty pm, deleting it, then banning wylted when he complained) can be explained by trying to provoke people in order to win his bets
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Hell, forcing companies to do a six hour workday might make things MORE efficient by keeping even offices open for 12 hours. Instead of 8-5 you could have two shifts, 7 am to 1 pm and 1 pm to 7 pm. Frankly both of these sound more appealing than 8 am to 5 pm + a one hour lunch
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I'm actually not 100% sure about UBI. It might not be socially sustainable -- humans need meaningful employment to maintain a sense of purpose in their day-to-day lives. Maybe instead of radically overhauling our current economic structure, we should just double down on the idea of every American having a good job.
I would go for this route before UBI, because I think it would be socially cancerous on top of incredibly expensive (as in the entire federal budget right now to afford every a veryyyyy rudimentary income.) The majority of the population doing absolutely nothing except try to scrape by on ~$10k/year would be a disaster but it’s obviously better than having them starve to death
i think other policies would be less economically costly and way less socially cancerous. Examples: super high tariffs, or a soft form of Ludditism where we only automate critical industries. Maybe an artificial restriction of the work day to four, or six hours which would necessarily drive up the demand for labor. Or a mass retraining of American workers and a total revamp of the education system to look like Germany’s, and where we either strong arm or bribe companies into taking on these newly trained workers when it’s no longer economically efficient. All of these things would hurt the economy but by a lot less than what it would cost to do UBI...and don’t leave us with the “idle hands are the devils workshop” problem
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One of the issues I would choose would be the environment. Insect populations have declined by up to 90% in the past two decades, which reverberated up the food chain and decimated the populations of all wild animals. For every six mammals that used to exist in the recent past, only 1 remains: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/magazine/insect-apocalypse.amp.html
this is almost certainly due to pesticides, probably even a specific pesticide. These animals aren’t extinct yet and the problem could likely be reversed if it was just studied—but it never will be. Big agriculture is probably the most evil industry in the US
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@Tejretics
(6) There are very real threats to democratic structures facing countries like the United States, including voter photo ID laws, limiting the number of voting days, attempting to make voting as hard as possible for low-income and minority individuals, gerrymandering, and so on
There is absolutely nothing wrong or undemocratic about requiring a photo ID to vote. In most US states, early voting takes place during an extremely long period of time, including weekends. I don’t know what you mean by making it as “hard as possible” for people to vote. The house really isn’t that Gerrymandered anymore. Democrats won 53% of the vote and got 54% of the seats. Every one of your points is extremely misleading at best
This is the post of someone totally unfamiliar with life in the United States, who has likely never even visited it, but nonetheless has strong opinions about it because of media consumption
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if i wasnt about to debate RM and didnt care about getting banned i would call the moderation team a bunch of faggots
but since i dont wanna get banned and respect authority i would never do that haha, but wouldnt that be wild lol
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@David
The problem here is twofold: (1) disgusting character assassination and (2) attempting to use that assassination for a cheap win. We can’t allow people to cheat in debates like that.
disgusting character assassination? it was such an obvious and blatant lie that it crossed into trolling territory. should i be banned for falsely accusing the mods of reading my PMs
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@Castin
And his punishment was suspension from debate, which was gonna happen no matter what and will still be in effect once his temp ban expires. I don't really consider it groveling to own up to your own lie and admit your mistake, but you can call it whatever you like.
what kind of gay shit is this? y'all really are a pack of Losers
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@Castin
my gf (who is descended from the fiercest of the Mongolian steppe raiders) also chose not to join this site because she was worried that as a WoC she wouldn’t be comfortable in such a white dominate space
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@Castin
wtf? Whitey shouldn’t be allowed to say it. All you’re doing is proving my point, he’s literally incapable of not oppressing the black man. Tyrone (the real one) opted not to join the site after I told him about bsh. This site badly needs diversity but we aren’t gonna get it with a moderation team that’s steeped in white supremacy
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@Castin
i still can’t believe that black people aren’t allowed to call each other “nigga” on this site. Typical whitey still trying to restrict the black man even after all these years. it’s no coincidence that bsh comes from one of the last states to abolish slavery
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so are the mods gonna answer drafters question or nah
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@RationalMadman
You realize that out of almost 100 pages your part of the story is like half a page right? The entire collextion is far from an attack on you. Rather it’s an incredibly sophisticated commentary on contemporary issues that will be studied by generations to come
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@Analgesic.Spectre
fair lady, I am not worthy of your applause. All I wish for is a single, respectful nod in acknowledgement of the great sacrifices i have made in the name of autism (modern day chivalry)
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@RationalMadman
i may not have actually written the one and only part where you were mentioned. Mikal and I wrote DDO High School together (I should’ve given him credit now that I think about it) the part with you and airmax definitely sounds like my writing so it was probably me but I’m not 100% sure
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Slatestarcodex is really good, as is ecosophia
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@ethang5
stumbled onto this looking for another thread—appreciate the support. that was a weird year. I had an altercation with a goose as well that summer
I will say I may have topped this post in autism by publishing a book based on my ddo writings (https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Works-Thett3-Thett-Three/dp/1719940940/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1535901132&sr=8-1)
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@Castin
ban or miss
i guess they never miss, huh?
you got a mentor i bet he don’t PM ya
he gon’ find another site and he won’t miss ya
he gon’ quit then hit the dab like airmaxifa
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@RationalMadman
the entire thing is a joke, from wylted getting banned for an obvious troll, to bsh getting upset about it and sounding like Brett kavanaugh. it shouldn’t be taken seriously at all, but bsh is going to continue to get trolled if he acts like this every time
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@RationalMadman
max is the greatest representative of the Machiavellian archetype in contemporary fiction
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“nah... that would just lend it credibility... I'd instead make your assertions and any evidence you have seem conspiratorial and ridiculous, manipulate popular support against you and anyone who agrees with you, all while saying publically that I appreciate your attempts at keeping me in check and seeking truth.”
Bsh1, in a PM to me when I threatened to “drop the bomb” (he knows what I mean)
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Doesn’t surprise me. Debate site mods have a record of saying horrible things in private. Proof: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bn4vXS2rYZrio_BdL-xuYEjtK_ADlvc9yJZsQPWAE_E/mobilebasic
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@Plisken
i was yelling at spacetimes multi because he had waved a knife in my face after I screamed at my mother for screwing up my chicken nuggets, and I told him that Tyrone was going to beat him up and he called Tyrone the n word and mysteriously got banned right after that
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this is a POWERFUL poast
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Case in point for why lax moderation is good: has DART ever had as many active threads as it has now that there’s all this drama relating to the moderation? the truth is that internet communities thrive on e-drama
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bumping this to the new page...
the lesson that I hope bsh takes from this is that while he remains personally popular, his moderation style is not at all. it's been what, two months? and there is already significant pushback, even though he hasn't really done anything beyond the pale. he hasn't noticeably favored his friends unfairly, he hasnt abused his power in any way or blown up publicly at anyone, yet his modship is still unpopular (or at least controversial.) compare this to airmax who was pretty openly corrupt in certain ways and yet remained popular. this was because his laissez faire moderation style was well received by the average user
in all likelihood bsh is going to remain the mod of this site for a long time so i hope he reflects on this. his views on free speech are EXTREMELY out of the mainstream for Americans and I think this colors his decisions which in turn causes the resentment. while my own views on the subject are to the other extreme it's fair to say that most people, and definitely most people who are attracted to a site for arguing, prefer a much more "rough and tumble" internet culture than bsh does. he really, really needs to take this into account. in both political viewpoints and temperament he is way outside the mainstream of DDO/DART, that doesnt mean he cant be a good mod but if he doesn't account for this he will not be.
in case anyone cares, i particularly dislike the deleting of posts/threads (which airmax did too.) Controversial topics are like an adrenaline shot to a debating website. on top of this, it just feels very orwellian that content can simply be deleted without a trace. if a user violates the rules, punish them but the content, unless grossly offensive or doxxy should remain (and no, saying "nigga" is nowhere near grossly offensive.)
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