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Category 4: A song by your favorite artist
I liked the artists I knew and was pleasantly surprised by the one I did not know (from Trent) so I'm happy that I didn't give any low scores on this category, because I'd have felt bad about it haha
5th Place: Story of My Life (Chris Webby)
Submitted by RM
I liked the refrain and the lastverse a lot, the other two were okay. Overall a decent song that I liked. Score: 6.8
4th Place: When It’s Springtime in Alaska(Johnny Horton)
Submitted by Trent
This song was good. I ironically havebeen looking at Alaska a lot recently and that probably helped the score forthis song, as I’m longing to visit. The imagery and Horton’s voice were bothvery good. Score: 7.7
3rd Place: Sweet Emotion (Aerosmith)
Submitted by Disc
Good song. I always liked the weirdsounds at the beginning a lot (though the link you used didn't have them! It cut that part out. Boo.) More of a Dream On guy myself, but then again soare a lot of people. Score: 8.1
2nd Place: Imagine (John Lennon)
Submitted by Press
Obviously a great song with a greatmessage, but I’ve always felt it was a bit overrated. Also why are some peoplesuggesting this to be the new national anthem? That’s a tangent but whatever. Very good song but not as great as people seem to think. Score: 8.2
Category Winner: Runaway (Kanye West)
Submitted by Supa
Masterpiece.Need I say more? Score: 9.6
For the third time in a row now we've had a high-scoring category that Supa won. Congrats!
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Category 3: A song with a number in the title.
Just for fun, numbers ranged from one to one million here.
5th Place: 7 Years Old (Lukas Graham)
Submitted by Press
I really like the intro on the pianoas well as the flipping of a flight board or whatever the sound is before thefirst verse. This song is good but not something I’d seek out. Ironically Igive it a 7.
4th Place: If I Had $1,000,000 (The Barenaked Ladies)
Submitted by Disc
You’ve done it again, another songthat is better than it should be. So catchy, so lighthearted, a lot of fun. Score: 7.6
3rd Place: Nothing to No One (Gin Wigmore)
Submitted by RM
At first I thought I might not likethe singer’s voice but the song grew on me quite a bit as it went on. I likeit. Score: 8.1
2nd Place: 16 Tons (Tennessee Ernie Ford)
Submitted by Trent
I liked this song quite a bit.Something about the instrumentals felt perfectly chaotic. It was enough to keepyou on your toes and actively engaged, but not constant chaos. It also for somereason reminded me of the pre-chorus of Ex’s & Oh’s by Elle King. Score: 8.4
I liked this song quite a bit.Something about the instrumentals felt perfectly chaotic. It was enough to keepyou on your toes and actively engaged, but not constant chaos. It also for somereason reminded me of the pre-chorus of Ex’s & Oh’s by Elle King. Score: 8.4
Category Winner: 1901 (Phoenix)
Submitted by Supa
You’re in luck with my current musictaste, been in a mood where I'm listening to a lot of stuff along these lines, this song included. I like the synthyintro a lot. Score: 8.7
Another round of good submissions, and another congrats to Supa for winning another strong category.
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I think it was a joke and not a legitimate threat, so know. I prefer the following of Brandenburg v Ohio
I agree with your conclusion but this is a terrible argument. Just because you cite a SCOTUS ruling doesn't mean that this falls under that jurisdiction. That case has nothing to do with how a private website and its moderators decide to enforce their code of conduct. If I made a website and said that users can't say the word "poop" I could enforce that and it wouldn't be illegal. It's not an infringement on someone's rights under 1A when it's a private business or organization doing so. You can argue that they still should allow free speech, but it seems like by saying you prefer following the case that you think the case applies here.
Either the argument is bad because it's wrong or it's bad because it's unclear.
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Category 2: A song by an artist that has died
For this one I believe it was the only time two people submitted the same artist (across all categories, unless I'm mistaken) and both were by Linkin Park. I gave credit if it was a dead solo artist or the frontman of a group had died. Also it feels bad giving last place to two people that tied with 7.9, cause that's literally higher than the overall winner's average score, so great job in this category to everyone!
T-4th Place: Somewhere I Belong (Linkin Park)
Submitted by RM
I’m a big fan of Linkin Park and I’msurprised I’ve never heard this one before. I definitely liked it, but itcertainly isn’t one of my favorites of theirs. As a side note, I pulled up Spotifyto add this to my Linkin Park playlist and was surprised to see that Bleed itOut is one of their most listened to songs. I thought that was more of a deepcut. Huh.
Score: 7.9
T-4th Place: Ain't No Mountain High Enough (Marvin Gaye)
Submitted by Trent
Greatsong, great talents. As someone born in the late 90s I always associate it with Remember theTitans, which helps because I love that movie. Score: 7.9
3rd Place: Here Comes the Sun (The Beatles)
Submitted by Disc
This song is so simple and happy. Idon’t know how you can listen to it and your mood isn’t boosted immediately. Ialso was going to take half a point off since I assumed McCartney and Lennonwere the vocalists and obviously the former is alive, but apparently this issung by George, which I never knew. Learn something new every day!
Score: 8.4
2nd Place: SAD! (XXXtentacion)
Submitted by Press
Man, he was a terrible human being,but I sure enjoy X’s music. This isn’t my favorite song of his, but I stilllike it quite a bit. Score: 8.5
Category Winner: What I've Done (Linkin Park)
Submitted by Supa
This was my favorite song for adecent chunk of my life. Hard to beat it. Was going to give a 9.8 but then therefrain hit and I started strumming the hell out of my air guitar and went tomy room to play this on my actual guitar. Fuck it. Score: 10
Great songs everyone, again it sucks that such a good score still got 4th, but alas. Congrats Supa!
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Category 1: A song about a mode of transportation (Bikes, planes, cars, trains, etc)
Had a variety of modes of transport here, no two about the same type. Kinda a hodgepodge of songs, but I felt like this allowed some creativity in submissions and might be fun. With that, let's begin.
5th Place: I’m On A Boat (The Lonely Island)
Submitted by Press
I enjoyed this song, but it doesn’thave much nuance in the joke or anything. I liked it a lot when it first cameout but now it’s not nearly as funny to me. The score benefits from me enjoying it as a younger teen. Score: 6.2
4th Place: I’ve Got a Thing About Trains (JohnnyCash)
Submitted by Trent
Johnny Cash is an artist I’ve alwaysliked but not loved. This song kinda fit that perfectly. I liked the sentimentallonging for something that most people kinda just left in the past. Score: 6.7
Johnny Cash is an artist I’ve alwaysliked but not loved. This song kinda fit that perfectly. I liked the sentimentallonging for something that most people kinda just left in the past. Score: 6.7
3rd Place: Learn to Fly (Foo Fighters)
Submitted by Supa
I feel like I’ve heard this beforebut never listened to it, if that makes sense. Enjoyable but not anything thatdifferent. Score: 7.3
2nd Place: The Distance (Cake)
Submitted by Disc
This is such a weird song but onethat I’ve always liked. Like… I don’t think you can call what the guy is doingsinging because he’s got very little inflection, but it’s definitely notrapping either. You could maybe argue it’s spoken word, but that doesn’t feelquite right? I don’t know. I feel like I shouldn’t like this song but I do. Score: 7.8
Category Winner: Handlebars (Flobots)
Submitted by RM
This is a great song. I love the simpleguitar that repeats through the whole song. Something about how they slowly addin more instruments throughout the song is very cool too. The simplicity of thestart of the song contrasts nicely with the climax. I think this is the firsttime I’ve seen the music video which is also interesting (but the music videosaren’t being taken into account, so unfortunately no boost for that.) Score: 8.6
Congrats on winning this category RM!
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@RationalMadman
@Vader
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Trent0405
@PressF4Respect
Thank you all for participating! Without further ado here is the first category.
Might be a slight delay between each pair of categories as I have to C/P each little write-up and hyperlink the song.
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Hello and welcome!
Thank you all for submitting your songs to me. There were some that I already loved that I got to listen to again, some new ones I really enjoyed, and fortunately none that I actively disliked! I saw the idea for this game and really liked it because it allows us all to discover some new music while also making it kinda fun in a game format.
Scoring
Scoring
My personal scoring system is more or less as follows:
- 0.0-1.9: This song either did not fit the category or it was terrible. Maybe both.
- 2.0-3.9: I disliked this song but it was tolerable. Will probably never listen again.
- 4.0-5.9: If this song came on I probably wouldn't skip it, but I wouldn't seek it out either. These songs were okay, I neither actively liked nor disliked them.
- 6.0-7.9: These songs are relatively enjoyable. I'd put them on a playlist if they fit the playlist well, or would seek this song out to play it if I'm in the right mood.
- 8.0-9.9: I really like this song. Maybe I already know it and it's a song I really enjoy, or maybe it's something I listened to for the first time and liked quite a bit.
- 10.0: This is a song that is or just became one of my all time favorite songs.
- The scoring for the covers category is a bit different. It's some combination of my opinion on the song and how it stacks up to the original. For example, if I think your version is a 7, but the original is a 9, that hurts your score. If I think your version is a 5, but the original is a 4, it helps your score. It's not as formulaic as the scoring for the other categories.
Some Results (No Spoilers)
- The highest score I gave was a 10. Apparently I was stingier than I thought with anything above 9, because there were only two of those.
- The lowest score I gave was a 3.2.
- The category that scored best, on average, was dead artists with an average of 8.54, and your favorite artists were the second highest with 8.08.
- The category that scored lowest was the one without words, probably unsurprisingly. I expected this, to be honest.
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I personally think there should be some leeway but by and large they should. (Then there's going to be some obvious exceptions, for example, advocating for the "killing" of other users, as we know that it's within the context of the game.)
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Just in case, so that nobody is upset, I'm saying this before submissions are due.
I said to PM me because I figured you might want to keep entries secret, but posting them here is acceptable and if you posted them but didn't PM me that's fine too.
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Trying to get some games going at 10 EST (13 minutes) if anyone wants to drop in!
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And discarding his claim as useless, which, though he should've claimed before death, it's definitely not useless and you saying as much is solely out of spite
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@ILikePie5
My problem is that you're not even saying "Well that sucks that he's probably town but he didn't help himself" you're saying "He deserved it." Like c'mon man, this was a bad lynch.
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@ILikePie5
You're so arrogant here. He did some dumb stuff yes but was not at any point scummy. Also his role claim post-lynch is dumb that he waited but certainly not useless.
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@PressF4Respect
No I read 136, which is the fucking problem. You say "You went in on Oro and User." Let's see what you consider "going in on"
- User
- "Why is crocodile probably town?"
- "What makes you think RM is too hard to read? After all we are only like an hour into the day."
Why ask him a specific question about a specific thing he said if you don't plan on ripping into him further? This just seems like you trying to get an inexperienced player to slip up and then wagon them.
No, that's you putting words in my mouth. He literally gave one read then said someone else is too hard to read and I asked him why. The opposite is to just not give any reason for reads and allow him to give up on trying to read RM. I wanted reasons so that I could understand his thought process. That's how this game works. This is ridiculous that you think I "went in on him" for this and I think you'd be hard pressed (ha) to find anyone who agrees that I was trying to set him up for asking him to substantiate his reads?
Man. I sure did "go in on" him. Asking him two questions about his reads. Sure was harsh. Maybe the mods should ban me for how hard I went in on him. I can't believe I was so terribly rude to him.Strawman.
Just cause you can use a word doesn't mean you should. Was I exaggerating a bit? Yes. Did I misrepresent your argument? No. You said I "went in on him" and all I did was ask him two incredibly simple questions.
After that I can't imagine the harsh things I said to oro...
- Oro
- "Oro said he "probably" wasn't vanilla in a game where speed explicitly stated in signups there were no vanillas. That's legitimately suspicious."
Oh wow, casting suspicion on someone for a post they made. How nefarious!You tried to put a role into Oro's mouth based off of the softclaim he made and scumread him based off of that. Yeah...
His softclaim was essentially "probably not vanilla" and I took issue with him saying probably in a game where it's confirmed there are no vanillas. Didn't put a role in his mouth.
Weird way to admit that you aren't reading the thread... #95When I said "where", I was looking for a post number. In #95 you just said "SEE YOU DID IT AGAIN". I explained it in #136, which you ignored half of and twisted the other.
Even weirder to double down and admit you didn't bother reading beyond the first sentence of that post...
- In an effort to not make this super long I removed a bunch of posts that were like "yeah you said that his thought process was good but why was it good"
This is a fine question to ask but it's very different than what you had been saying, which was that I hadn't given any other reasons. It's in large part because I think that the paranoia about a third party probably comes from town, mafia doesn't waste time going down that rabbit hole because the existence of a third party doesn't matter as much to them. Mafia has to kill the third party the same way they have to kill town. Also, all the mod psych seems overly critical and comes from a town POV because if he's mafia, there's no reason to bother bringing that up. You take that there's no clear split for granted and move on, not delve into how you think there's a secret theme that the mod made subconsciously.
It would probably be too much to ask for a claim, since I guess you are going to blatantly refuse and lash out at others, just like RM.And then this is just blatantly being a dick for no reason. Super cool, love playing with people who are rude just because they can be.Saying that it would be too much to ask for a claim is "being a dick for no reason"? What?
You accused me, without any sort of reason, as being likely to blatantly refuse and lash out. That's an attack on me personally by saying I'd lash out. That's being a dick for no reason, because you have no reason to think I'd behave that way.
If I asked you for a claim, would you claim? My guess is no but you can prove me wrong.
Right now? Absolutely not. Blindly claiming without pressure is not good. If I have a good role then mafia knows to target me. If I have a weak role then mafia knows not to target me. You should only claim day 1 if you're under pressure. You pushing for me to claim when I don't have any votes, literally not even you, is blatant role fishing. It's also an even more obvious example of you trying to make me look like scum without putting your money where your mouth is and voting for me.
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@ILikePie5
Refusal to claim is usually anti-town, I agree. In this case it's pretty anti-town too, but I still think he's town. RM defies most of my expectations of a typical player (that's not necessarily bad) and I think you're not taking that into account.
The way you worded it implied to me that you either thought he was town and were voting him as policy anyway or betrayed that you knew he was town and was a perspective slip. Your explanation makes me feel a bit better, but I'm still a little leery.
By the way, I feel better about oro at this point. Essentially at null.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Bumping for any late entrants and a reminder for Disc in the event you want to submit the remaining ones.
Submissions due by tomorrow at midnight EST, I'll reveal my scores and thoughts on the songs Sunday probably!
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@oromagi
I don't get what you mean but think we're generally on the same page
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@ILikePie5
Mafia would do the same thing as you would do as town^
So you think he's town?
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@oromagi
I don't have a strong opinion, I'd be willing to if we want a mass claim, but if only some of them are revealed it'd give mafia a chance to possibly fake claim a character that makes it easier for a fake role claim. So I think either we mass claim, popcorn, or don't do it
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@oromagi
I definitely think it's his real character, as I imagine that Loki, Ultron, and Thanos are definitely in the game. I don't put any stock into it being town though, because without a theme split mafia's only reason to fake-claim their character would be to better fit with a fake role if that make sense? Basically they have very little reason to fake claim a character, so me buying that he actually is that character doesn't make me townread him more. It's nice to lock a character claim in though I guess.
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@PressF4Respect
Read 136 again.
No I read 136, which is the fucking problem. You say "You went in on Oro and User." Let's see what you consider "going in on"
- User
- "Why is crocodile probably town?"
- "What makes you think RM is too hard to read? After all we are only like an hour into the day."
Man. I sure did "go in on" him. Asking him two questions about his reads. Sure was harsh. Maybe the mods should ban me for how hard I went in on him. I can't believe I was so terribly rude to him. After that I can't imagine the harsh things I said to oro...
- Oro
- "Oro said he "probably" wasn't vanilla in a game where speed explicitly stated in signups there were no vanillas. That's legitimately suspicious."
Oh wow, casting suspicion on someone for a post they made. How nefarious!
Also, when I asked you where I was "switching" my reads, you never responded.
Also, the only explanation I saw from your townread of RM was that he was "pure" and "transparent".
Again just admit you aren't bothering to read the thread dude. That was my initial post about townreading him in #24. In #113 I then talk about how his mod psych stuff about theme is more likely to come from town in my opinion. I reiterate a combination of the two, as well as just some other general liking of his thought process and that I think it's townie, in #209. Then, you apparently ignored when I tagged you and gave you some more reasoning in #228 (because why bother actually reading my arguments when you already know my alignment, right?) about how he's come to conclusions (mod psych, existence of third party, etc) I disagree with, but that the way he went about reaching them felt as if he's town.
It's clear that you are going to keep trying to deflecting my questions and claiming that I'm "switching" my reads on you.
If by deflecting you mean directly addressing and tagging you in a post that you ignored, then I guess so, but that seems like a weird usage of that word.
It would probably be too much to ask for a claim, since I guess you are going to blatantly refuse and lash out at others, just like RM.
And then this is just blatantly being a dick for no reason. Super cool, love playing with people who are rude just because they can be.
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@RationalMadman
Yeah I can't promise that. I'm in your corner here man, but it's hard to defend you explicitly refusing to claim
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RM you're not helping yourself by refusing to claim. Maybe it's not great tactically, but when the alternative is people lynching you refusing to claim isn't going to help.
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@Vader
This is a meta discussion I'd rather not continue in the thread, we can talk about it some other time if you'd like. I don't care how you use it or what you think does or doesn't qualify as "scum" since it doesn't make a huge impact on the game. My point is that RM using "scum" is not inconsistent with him thinking oro is third party.
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@Vader
Not that my opinion is worth anything here but OMGUS isn't scummy, it's NAI. Also it wasn't OMGUS.
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@PressF4Respect
"Oh you're annoyed by me being a prick to you. This means I won the argument. I am very smart."
How about you actually say anything of substance.
How about the fact that I have given reasons for why I read RM the way I do? How about the fact that I qualified my early read with the fact that I was uncomfortable with how strong an early read like that was? No? You'd rather call names and act like that means you won an argument.
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@Vader
There is a difference between OMGUS and scumreading someone who scumreads you. One is baseless. I laid out exactly why I'm scumreading him.
He accuses me, I address it. He completely drops that but finds a new reason to scumread me. I address it, he drops it. Rinse, repeat. It's opportunistic and if he just shouts loudly enough long enough people might buy into it. All the while, he hasn't been voting for me. You vote for your scumreads, it's mafia 101. He's trying to discredit me as much as possible without taking any of the responsibility of leading a mislynch.
On top of that, calling me RM's "fanboy" is a way of undermining my reads and an attempt to discredit the opposition to this mislynch he is pushing.
TLDR: It's not OMGUS, he's gaslighting and throwing baseless reads my way to see what sticks for a potential mislynch. He is scum.
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@Vader
Yes, that's how some people use the word. If your win condition is not exactly the town win condition, you're scum.
I usually use it as a term to refer specifically to mafia, but the way RM is using it isn't wrong, per se
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@PressF4Respect
I'm not talking about RM's specific usage, I'm saying in general, "scum" is an umbrella term for anyone who is not town-aligned. Him simply using the term to describe oro isn't inconsistent with what he said about oro being third party.
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You know what? Press is scum. He's pissed about my townread because he thinks the RM lynch will go through and doesn't want anyone opposing it. Has he given any good reason as to why my defense of RM is bad other than he didn't like that I'd used "vague words" which I literally said "yeah I know this isn't the best reasoning but it's my read" in the original post? No. Instead he shifted the goalposts multiple times and hasn't substantiated any of his accusations of me. As soon as I call him out on a stupid accusation he drops it and tries a new one.
This whole time it's clear he's scumreading me but doesn't actually want to vote for me at any point.
Vote Press
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@PressF4Respect
Can you shut the fuck up with this "fanboy" bullshit? I have a single townread that I have qualified earlier by saying that the strength of it was unwarranted and essentially gut, and since I've essentially said I think he's wrong on just about everything but his thought process reads town to me.
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@PressF4Respect
"Scum" is often used as a catch-all for not town. So it includes 3P
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@ILikePie5
I think he's wrong but I like his thought process, I think he's town.
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@oromagi
Can you give me some reasoning behind bearman, user, and croc being so high?
Also, again, can you address my concern over you claiming to "probably" not be vanilla? It originally wasn't a huge deal, just a minor thing, but you having not answered is bothersome to me.
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@User_2006
Can you respond to my questions about you?
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@oromagi
@skittlez09
my role claim is probably NOT chocolate or praline
In post #37 where he say's he's probably not one of these other two desserts. It's tongue in cheek.
The alternative is saying "I'm probably not chocolate cause I'm vanilla haha!" which would be even worse since we know there are no vanillas. I respect oro enough to believe that's not what he was saying, though saying he's probably not vanilla still seems off to me.
Oro, would you care to comment?
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@PressF4Respect
"Went in on" user for asking him to give reasons for his reads. Jesus Christ dude
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@RationalMadman
I dunno, maybe you're right but I feel like you're probably just thinking too hard about that
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I don't know how RM came to the conclusion of Oro being third party but I think a third party makes sense here. It's probably two mafia, and with everyone having a role of sorts they're probably underpowered compared to town, a third party would balance it somewhat...
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@RationalMadman
I was trying to make that not sound condescending because I figured it'd be interpreted as such, so sorry. I doubt it because I don't think you're going to be able to get inside speed's head sufficiently to decipher something not even he was able to decipher.
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Everyone else, do we think RM is more likely to insist speed has made a subconscious theme split and work on analyzing it as scum or town?
I'm slightly inclined to go with the latter.
I'm slightly inclined to go with the latter.
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@RationalMadman
Alright well I'm not putting any effort into deciphering a theme split that the mod made subconsciously and forgive me, but I'll be putting no stock into your conclusions drawn from it either. By all means go ahead because your thought process might help us read you, but I really doubt it'll be useful.
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Like I'd think you'd need bare minimum two characters to venture a guess as to theme split
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@RationalMadman
The crtieria on which we are split seems to be based on the nature of the power or how we obtained it.
From the OP:
There is no theme split between town and mafia. A "villain" is anyone who is classically considered a villain in the MCU movies. This includes characters that were originally villains but became heroes, or were originally heroes but became villains.
How did you have enough information to put together a guess as to the (nonexistent) theme split?
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@RationalMadman
It's MCU Villains mafia. We're all villains in some capacity.
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@PressF4Respect
Well look, you just did it again!
I was originally nitpicky, then when I answered why I explained why I made both the posts I did, you didn't follow up on it. Instead, I was too vague for your liking (you know, the opposite of nitpicky) on a page 1 read that I even qualified by saying "I shouldn't townread him this strongly but I do"
Which one is it?
Why would scum be "nitpicky" on a new player by trying to push them to substantiate reads and actively participate? Or rather, why is that not something town could also do just as easily?
Why would scum throw out a vague townread on a player so early into the game?
Why would scum be "nitpicky" on a new player by trying to push them to substantiate reads and actively participate? Or rather, why is that not something town could also do just as easily?
Why would scum throw out a vague townread on a player so early into the game?
Not only did you accuse me without reason, when I addressed it you completely dropped it and moved on to a completely different (even opposite) accusation, and when I addressed THAT you dropped THAT and focused on me saying you were shifting your focus instead of replying to my reasoning!
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