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@Greyparrot
Actually, I was going off of the vote list from SupaDudz, which is off. Lunatic went for skittlez.
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@Greyparrot
Well, he's already voted for Speedrace. I don't think that's the right call for this moment, but that's the train he's on, even if he's said otherwise.
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@Lunatic
@MisterChris
Shouldn't you open yourself up to be lynched to preserve the power roles?
Part of the reason I'm not strongly suspicious of Lunatic at the moment is because he actively opened himself up to be lynched in DP2 and has said so several times this round as well. That could just be a very risky power play, and I'm still uncertain of him as a result, but he has made this very clear.
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@skittlez09
@Crocodile
I do absolutely believe that the cabbage man would be in this. That is very much something SupaDudz would do. That being said, I don't trust this at all, as it's still a rather safe claim. I agree with you that he was very much a clear target for uncertainty. I'm asking why you sought to end the voting when you did, not why you suspected Pie in the first place. We all had good reason to suspect them, but both you and Crocodile sought to turn that suspicion into certainty and take away any further opportunity for him to claim. Why not wait it out a little longer and see how the pressure of a fifth vote would play out? Why end the voting?
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@Lunatic
I'd agree with that if we didn't have two very clear and convincing targets for this round. Both Crocodile and skittlez are incredibly sus after their late stage votes last round. Crocodile's claim is sus to me, largely because he's not a main character, so it sounds like an overly safe choice. We can test his role, and I'm strongly considering doing just that, but I'm not convinced he's the most obvious target. I'm still unsure about Speed (despite his character getting a mention in my profile), and while Crocodile seems most likely, both of the choices Speed made as Cop were already practically confirmed safe town choices by the time he investigated them.
That's why my current vote is for skittlez. There are only three potential choices, which means we have a two in three chance of hitting scum. As I see it, skittles is the one that's clearly outed himself. Even if he gives a convincing role, he could very easily have taken it from Warren, though the fact that he hasn't claimed at all is a red flag. The vote from the last round also sets him apart. I think that Crocodile and skittlez are in the same PM, that they agreed to finish lynching whoever was put up, and that they got their wires crossed at the last second and each separately voted when only one was required to do so. Whoever the other person is - whether it's Lunatic or Greyparrot - I'd say we haven't got the information to make that call. But on this one, at minimum, I believe we do.
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@BearMan
Didn’t you track me in the last NP? Not sure why I’m at all uncertain now, especially to you.
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@Lunatic
He hasn’t, and it seems pretty obvious that he’s scum based on both my Sensor and the fact that he was the last to jump on the vote. I’d like to know why he decided to lynch when so many of us were using our votes to pressure a claim.
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@Speedrace
Did you investigate Chris this round?
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@Greyparrot
Yep, I saw that. It's another choice of character that may or may not be a selection that someone who is familiar with Avatar would include in this. The fact that it's vanilla makes it somewhat suspect as well. Not sure right now between you and Lunatic who is more sus, but I'm leaning towards you. You won't get my vote this round, so you're welcome to prove yourself later.
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Ty Lee is... a bit of an odd one. That's another sort of borderline character that isn't necessarily going to be assigned to someone. It's an odd choice.
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@Lunatic
Agreed, was happy I got it and got the opportunity to use it.
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@Greyparrot
You're my least certain sus at the moment because I agree with you. You've been playing this game like town and you made a similar conclusion to the rest of us. I got pissed that he was refusing the claim as well, though the choice to lynch him at that moment seemed sus. You didn't cast the deciding vote, so I'm unsure, but it's between you and Lunatic for the third, and right now, I'm leaning towards you. I would like a claim from you, though.
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@MisterChris
Sure.
I'm Aang. The usual: trapped in an iceberg, can use all types of bending, and the successor for Avatar Roku (so it is possible that Speed was telling the truth, but I'm still uncertain). It says that I'm a 1x Sensor, as I have the ability to use energy bending and actively use it (an admittedly weak link, but it's plausible).
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@BearMan
That helps narrow the field on the other side, especially as MisterChris has been pretty quiet, so good choice on that one. It's either Crocodile or Speedrace, but despite my previous suspicions, Crocodile now seems like the more likely candidate. As for who the third one is, it's someone who jumped on the bandwagon earlier to lynch iLikePie5, so they're playing this a little smarter. Could be Lunatic, but I think it's Greyparrot. Interested to hear other theories.
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Alright, new information: I am a Sensor, and I used it this round. Among the people on the lynch last round (me, skittlez09, Bearman, Greyparrot, Lunatic and Danielle), there were two scum. That also means that, among the remaining three people not on the lynch (Crocodile, MisterChris and Speedrace) there is one scum. Since Danielle was killed during the NP, that leaves us with a two in four chance, and I think the likelihood of Bearman being scum is extremely low. That leaves 3 likely choices, and personally, I think skittlez09 is by far the most sus. He and Crocodile, who jumped on the vote at the last second and knew that they were doing so to lynch rather than just to put pressure on Pie as I was doing, are by far the most likely candidates for scum for me at the moment. I also think it's more likely that Greyparrot is the other most likely person among the group that voted to lynch.
So, among these, I'm going with who I think stands out as both the biggest opportunist and, as he capped off the votes, is also among the pack that has the highest likelihood of being Mafia.
VTL skittlez09
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@ILikePie5
He claimed in part and then waited until later to full claim. If you did that much and didn’t make it so opaque, I might be willing to give you the same benefit of the doubt regarding other aspects of your role. I don’t know why you’re waiting, but even if we’re being hypocritical, you’re the one on the chopping block now. It’s your choice if you want to play the game, but you risk everything by continuing to delay.
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Since there is little interest in pursuing Speed this round, despite some statements to the contrary, I will use this opportunity to push Pie to claim. These protestations are looking a little sus to me.
Unvote Speed
VTL Pie
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@Danielle
Not sure how I was threatened by warren, but I agree with the rest of this. At the moment, I’m more suspicious of Speed, largely because I get the impression that he thinks we’ll talk ourselves out of a decision to lynch him, as occurred last DP.
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@Greyparrot
Bearman asked for cop counterclaims, clearly town behavior.Which makes speed's choice of investigating Bearman either retarded or a calculated scum play.
Yeah, I was thinking the latter. Bearman already had a solid identity in Toph that could easily have been counterclaimed. The cop claim by Speed had me somewhat uncertain, but that's a far less risky call than claiming a main character from the series, as Chris said. It's also possible that one or both of them received a fake ID that they used for their claims, but especially as the person that Bearman tracked accurately, I find it far less likely that he's the sus one of the two.
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@RationalMadman
Sure, let’s do this.
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@Danielle
That's the thought at the moment. Let's make it official:
VTL Speedrace
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@BearMan
Why is Chris sus?
Also, what did you make of the back-to-back posts regarding Lunatic from iLikePie5 and Greyparrot?
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@Lunatic
@BearMan
I am, though I've already given my two cents. Don't really have anything to add beyond affirming Lunatic's suspicions regarding both iLikePie5 and Greyparrot for their "coincidental" questions that just happened to go off at the same time. I know we've had a few people viewing iLikePie5 as a little sus. What do others think of this?
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@Danielle
I agree that at least one of them is likely scum, not sure why it’s an either/or situation. I already stated why I think it’s Speed and not BM, sticking with that for the moment. Don’t buy that he investigated BM, though that’s largely because I already suspected BM was town going in.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Yes, this does offer Mafia a safe claim. I'm still focused on the claims made in DP1.
I still have my suspicions of Speed as well. Going with cop is gutsy, but Avatar Roku is an odd choice, given his extremely limited appearances in the series. It sounds plausible, given that the character was an Avatar, with very little likelihood of someone else being given that name. Part of the reason I see BearMan as Town is that someone had to be Toph. That claim could have easily been challenged and almost certainly would have been if someone else had it.
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@MisterChris
Yup. I was out of commission for pretty much the entire phase.
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Because I'd rather move things along,
Unvote
VTNL
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@skittlez09
It's all good. Brand new to this and, yep, quiet's generally how I do things until I feel I have something worthwhile to say.
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@skittlez09
Lunatic- hasnt done anything that scummy this seems like just town lunatic. The role does sound strange but custom roles are possible especially with atla which supa is a fan of. If his claim makes sense ill believe it.iLikePie5- townread this seems like normal pie town. Pie is way lurkier as scum an less helpful.Bearman- Top scumread rn. He wasnt reading the dp and had erratic voting.Greyparrot- lurky as usual most likely just town grey parrot.Speedrace-unsure of i disagree with him saying that the likes thing was a waste of time. Aside from that his role makes sense.Crocodile- null inactive. This is normal croc play so i townread him for now.Danielle - never had her as scum before so idk what she acts like when she is. Everything shes done so far seems fine so i lean more to the town side for her.MisterChris- too inactiveWarren- too inactive
Whiteflame: not good enough to get a read -_-
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Avatar Roku seems like a pretty safe choice, which leaves me still suspicious. His role in the series is small enough that his being among the 11 roles given out here would be surprising - there are certainly more than enough characters who are more prominent in the series. It’s possible, but that also makes it hard to deny, which makes it an effective fake.
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@Danielle
@Lunatic
I read and reread them before this, but I wanted to see a summary, and I appreciate your giving me one. Also appreciate Lunatic for pointing to specific posts related to my question. The reason my vote is up is largely as a placeholder, but I’ll change that. I largely voted for you because you said you would prefer that to doing nothing, and hey, I got more engaged after I did it, so I don’t regret having done it.
That being said, I will change it.
Unvote Danielle
VTL Speedrace
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Well, I guess I'll just put this out there: for those who are voting Speed, what are your reasons? I'm open to putting my vote there if there's good reason for it.
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I'm not asking anyone to reveal their role, I'm just asking if you have a role besides vanilla. Y'all can just say YES or NO.
YES or NO
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@Speedrace
What led you to vote BearMan then?
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@Speedrace
I agree that his role is strange, but I also think it's entirely plausible that it was an error in judgement/understanding of ATLA by Supa. I'd actually lend more credence to the latter in this case, though not by a wide margin.
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@Lunatic
I might change my vote to get valid pressure, but I'm not clear that the target of that pressure should be BearMan.
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@Lunatic
No treatise, just the thoughts that I've already expressed.
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@Lunatic
Thoughts on pie?ILikePie5, that is. Not actual pie.
Damn, I had a whole treatise on pie...
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@BearMan
The claim is that you modified what you received from SupaDudz. You can claim otherwise, as I'm sure you do, but I see his point as valid.
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Also, in general, I'm decently familiar with Avatar the Last Airbender in terms of mechanics and how certain characters work, but I haven't seen enough of the series to be anything close to expert.
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@warren42
I don't want to harp on this too much but there are also both better roles for Toph and better fits for tracker.
I'm right there with you on this, much as I've only just familiarized myself with what a Tracker is. It's a strange choice for Toph, hence I'm still iffy on BearMan, though it's not so unlikely of a choice that I'd dismiss it outright.
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@Speedrace
No one's sus to me yet, but BearMan's moves appear pretty odd to me, and much as I do think that Danielle is mainly just trying to get things moving, I'm unsure of her other motivations for all this posting. I do think ILikePie5 is Town, but everyone else I'm uncertain about.
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@Danielle
@Speedrace
8. whiteflame - Null, lurking
Accurate. I'm honestly just enjoying the exchanges. Btw, I'll take Danielle's advice for now:
Even someone pressuring me for rambling so much would be useful or indicative of giving af
VTL Danielle
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@skittlez09
Largely a hunch, not too much to go on at the moment. He's not alone in that department.
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@Danielle
Thanks! Honestly, it’s not a complaint, was just providing my perceptions, uninformed as they are.
I don’t have a strong candidate at the moment, so I’m entertaining options. Speed is one I’m considering.
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@Lunatic
End of DP1. And yes, I recognize that. If people want me to establish my behaviors ahead of that point, they’re welcome to push on me. Not likely to say much to satisfy them, but the opportunity is there. If the goal is just to see how I puzzle through behaviors, then I can be much more thorough after I’ve gotten a chance to see how people vote and not just how they portray themselves in this forum. Any information we get will be suspect.
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@Danielle
@Lunatic
I have some suspicions, though nothing solid just yet. And to your question, Danielle, I think I’ll learn more from seeing how this round plays out than from trying to dissect each individual interaction. I haven’t had much experience in this, but I plan to develop it quickly.
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@Lunatic
Largely what I expected: a lot of accusations with little evidence. Enjoy watching it play out, though.
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