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@Allah
Are you guys still going to moderate this site?
To the degree that I’m able, yes, at least until Debatecraft is fully up and running.
Edit: to be clear, most of my time will likely be spent there, I’m just not going to fully abandon this site yet.
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Might be the last at this point, since the site's gone down for most.
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Awkward to have to say goodbye to another site… again. Not sure if this one is for keeps, but we have a great team working on a new site that I think will stand the test of time. Like DDO before you, you will be missed.
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@ILikePie5
I can hammer him if you're good. Not sure if you want to discuss this more with Joebob.
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Regarding their claims, I'm a little less unsure of Cerulean's claim than I was last night, since I've seen the Poison Healer role is often a daytime role. It's highly confirmable... in a game where the Poisoner(s) are likely to use their role, which we know they won't now.
As for the Millionaire role, that seems a bit safe, but it's hard to deny that REF did claim softclaim something along these lines, at least character-wise. The nature of the justification makes more sense than mine, but feels about right if Mharman wanted this kind of role in the game. As others have pointed out, though, there's a lot of effective Vanillas in this game (my visit does nothing, so I'd put myself in similar company).
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I said it before and I'll say it again: I'm comfortable with either the REF or Cerulean lynch, and atm, it seems like REF is the only viable one.
That being said, I'm also fine with a NL this DP. We still have an even number of players, and I think we risk little by skipping the vote this time around and (hopefully) adding to our base of information during the NP. I know we don't have a Cop anymore, but based on my role, I assume we're not just dealing with one town investigative role.
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@ILikePie5
Why did you visit Banana?
I had a slight scumread on her at the end of the last DP, didn’t have a reason to visit anyone else and wanted to see what would happen.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
My claim is gold or golden bunny. I'm apparently a rare golden rabbit and am worth a lot of money. Going off of memory here and never played the game. My role is Millionaire, that if I die I can type out a final message to town. Kind of a waste, because you can probably guess what it's going to be if this mislynch goes through.
That's... interesting. Bit of a wonky justification to say that you're worth a lot of money (that you are an expensive thing in the world) and are thus the Millionaire. Not one to talk about strange justifications, though. Going to need to sleep on this one, too.
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@Cerulean
Day ability.
Hmmm...
As far as I can tell, this is the first time you've mentioned this aspect of your role.
I guess it was implied in the fact that you had to ask the mod whether you could use your role on someone who wasn't poisoned (I figured if it had been a night role, you would have at least asked about that during the NP). I guess if we're assuming scum do have a Poisoner, this would make more sense than making it a night action that could be interrupted during the NP, though it also means you could effectively have been town confirmed during the DP if someone was poisoned and we collectively decided to remove it. Not sure if Mharman would include that kind of mechanic.
Anyway, I'm going to sleep on it.
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@JoeBob
I don’t really get why we are trying to get ref voted off in the first place. If it really just comes down to behavior, like I think lunatic said it was, I’d like to hear his claim before thinking about hammering him.
There's a reason I'm not hammering despite sussing him behaviorally.
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@ILikePie5
Obviously waiting for REF to full claim, but after rereading the claims list, I dislike Whiteflame’s justification. Where’s the Compulsive Aspect? And why Owl specifically? Aren’t there a million other things that just walk around every where?
The closest I can see for reasoning on the compulsive aspect is that it's almost obsessive compulsive behavior from Owls in game, but that's me really spit-balling. There's nothing objectively compulsive about my justification, and even the visitor aspect is, essentially "you perch on buildings of players". My claim is inherently sus, I know that. We're in a good enough position now that, if people want to eliminate me just because I'm almost certainly going to remain in PoE the rest of the game, then I'd understand it. That obviously wouldn't be my preference, but I get where it's coming from.
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@IlDiavolo
Is that even possible? What is this for?So if I request to be banned, you will?
It's been a thing for a while. If someone wants to be banned, they can ask for it. People give all kinds of reasons.
So yes, we will ban you at your request.
That needs to be included in the list of features for the next forum, a button to be banned automatically. Lol.
Something tells me people would push it by mistake.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Alright, I've read back through Ref's posts in some detail.
I'm a bit mixed on what initially led him to townread Vader. His post #286 seeing Vader's responses initially as kind of townie make sense from a certain perspective, even if I'd call it more NAI at that time. When he says he's leaning scum too in #400, that doesn't seem off-base for him, considering that Mikal was saying he couldn't have received certain information from Mharman, even after mentioning the two words vs. one issue a few posts earlier. I can't give him much credit for that view, though, since it was discussed for several pages before this one. All this comes off as reasonable, even the VTL on me asking for more insight into other players. I view his turn away from Vader as the likely lynch to come mainly from the revelation that Mikal's information was imperfect, given that people could have gotten different responses from Mharman. Feels like he just returns to his previous view.
The weaker portion of his argument comes later when he's talking about the Vanilla claim, specifically, where he really hones in on scum having three claims and says that Vader had no incentive to claim Vanilla as a result. That bothered me at the time and, though I kind of buy how he came down to three claims if he's town, it still bothers me a bit. To give him a bit of credit, he dropped this point after realizing he'd made a mistake, but also argued at one point that the wagon on Vader had evaporated (it was diminished, but not gone), and set Vader on his sus list later with little reasoning. This could be authentic, but these turns rub me the wrong way.
So it's mainly a matter of how much I'm weighing these things against him. The first paragraph worth of posts doesn't really come off as avidly defending Vader in a way I wouldn't expect of scum, especially since other people were making similar points (beyond, perhaps, the "this looks honest" argument), so that doesn't really affect how I see him. The second paragraph isn't a set of strong reasons to scumread him, but there's a bit of a pattern there - of pushing back on the lynch with reasoning that didn't hold up, then pushing back because some people had fallen off of it, then joining the chorus when people started rejoining the lynch - that feels off. I won't vote yet because he's already at L-1, but those are my thoughts.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Yo lunatic says he's town. You're the only one I trust tho, he town or nah?
I think he is. Led the lynch on Vader early and persisted in it even when it seemed to be falling apart. If he did that as Vader's partner, then he basically forced the lynch by keeping up pressure that consistently. Don't love his claim or his backtracking on his previous claim, but if this was bussing, it was far more extensive than I've seen before from Luna.
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I'm going to give Resurget's posts a closer read, but he should be full claiming at this point.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Ok who is scum tho?
Wish I could tell you. POE for me is down to Cerulean, Resurget, Ultra and Joebob.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I'll just clarify this: he was banned at his request. He wanted us to have some fun with the stated reason for his ban, so we did.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
For your reference (so you don't have to go digging for it):
Lunatic - Loom - Vanilla (Soft: Crafting Station - previously fake claimed Strengthener)
Mikal/Castin - Item Category
Ultra - Consumable Item
Whiteflame - Owl - Compulsive Visitor (Soft: Critter)
Pie - NPC
Resurget - Tiered NPC
Casey - Spear - Asceticizer (Soft: Item)
Savant - Vulture - Vanilla (Soft: NPC)
Joebob - Vital Item
Wylted - Chest - Doublevoter (Soft: Minecraft Item)
Banana - Ironskin Potion - ??? (Soft: Consumable Item)
Cerulean - Campfire - Poison Healer (Soft: Item Spawned Naturally)
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Vader - Black Slime - Randomizer (Scum)
Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb (Town)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am town. Vanilla. Mharman, who am I replacing?
Heya Disc. Was already townreading Savant so you inherit that. I think a lot of people were since he CC'd a Vanilla claim from Vader (ended up being right, but still, balls).
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Alright, I just finished a long RFD for a debate and I need a break. I'll do as Resurget requested and go through the posts listed by Luna with a fine-toothed comb, see if I have different impressions of them now.
Regarding Cerulean, I think Mikal's points about the campfire not being used to "heal" poison are fair. I'd be comfortable with the Cerulean lynch.
Regarding Joebob, is there any particular reason we haven't sought any more information from him? I know we have a softclaim, but he's on virtually everyone's lists as null and I haven't seen a whole lot of substance from him.
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Alright, I do want to give at least a basic set of reads to function from.
My town pile is Mikal (mod confirmed), Luna (extensively going after Vader), Savant (Vanilla CC and similarities with claim) and Banana (only protective role claimed).
Put Casey (Asceticizer basically confirmed), WyIted (role confirmed) and Pie (also pushed Vader and had some of the most solid reasoning for drawing attention to him) in as slight town. I at least have more reason to buy them as town than not, but they're a little more flexible atm.
That leaves four. I'd say Ultra is null/lean town until I get a fuller idea of how their role works and what they expected it to do to Luna. Joebob is just straight null. I don't have any clear idea of which camp I'd put him in.
That leaves two people that I've been convinced appear a bit scummy.
With Cerulean, I largely bought the claim initially, but it's hard to confirm and if scum know they don't have a Poisoner, I could see them making this fake claim. It's an opportunistic claim that could have employed the flip for pseudo-confirmation.
Luna has me convinced that my earlier read of Resurget was a bit hasty. I could see a world in which he hammers that lynch knowing that it's likely to happen anyway, and the lead-up to that choice makes the decision itself less clear.
Before anyone says anything, I know a lot of these reads are based on claims. I'll have to go back through posts and get some behavioral analysis to further inform them, but I needed to start somewhere and this is where I'm at. PoE is between Ultra, Joebob, Cerulean and Resurget.
Now to take a break before I start working on a long ass RFD. Likely won't return to this read list until tomorrow, but I'll still try to engage.
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@Lunatic
Since you are still on this, I'll just say it. I am a vanilla. The loom mostly crafts things using mostly silk and the items are usually vanity based, thus I am vanilla. It's a huge part of the reason I wanted to lynch supa day phase one after savant CC'ed him. I still buy savant is a vanilla, but three vanillas was kind of a lot to buy. I also thought I could bait a night kill with strengthener without much risk of CC'ing town with another role. I am probably going to regret saying this because now Pie and Ref are going to use this argument against me to say I am scum and I really didn't want to go down this rabbit hole. If your gonna lie as town, I feel like you gotta roll with it, fake it til you make it. But with Ultra saying he visited me I honestly have no clue unless I was blocked or something, because I don't have an active role.
I have reason to townread you in spite of this due to how much and consistently you pushed on Vader, but I do feel validated sussing your claim now. This doesn't shift the needle much, but if Vader had somehow been town, this would look terrible.
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@Casey_Risk
I asked Mharman and he told me both actions would be executed simultaneously, so that's not the issue here. Curious why you didn't ask him yourself.
Been stuck doing tasks around the house and bringing my wife to the airport much of the day, so time ran away from me.
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@Lunatic
If you were scum in this scenario, knowing you were town, and that you could vote whiteflame who was still 4 votes away from being lynched (theres a chance this lynch doesn't even happen with how little time was left) or do you hammer before someone else can? Because at this point anyone could have hammered vader. If you were scum would you take the chance and pray you get another 4 votes for a mislynch, or do you count it as a loss and take any town cred you can get at this point? I think a lot of people would choose the latter, but maybe you wouldn't. Just curious.
That's a fair question. I've been in similar situations before and I think I've made both calls to varying degrees of success. Knowing that my partner would be lynched either this DP or next would influence that decision, and I think Vader was basically guaranteed to be lynched either DP1 or 2, depending upon whether I was lynched in the first. If I was anticipating literally anyone else logging on, I'd probably VTL Vader too or simply hang out offline and wait for someone else to do it, so I get your point. I'll give it some thought.
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@Casey_Risk
There's a few different roles that Ultra could be hinting at here. I think I know roughly what kind of role he is. I will say that it is possible that he is being guided in what to say by his partner. It's a little tough to read him based on how little he's been posting, but what little is there does give me towny vibes, and it would still be a risk to claim something confirmable like that.
I agree that there's a risk involved, but especially if scum have some insight into other player roles (like a Role Cop or a Stalker for example), they could mitigate the risk of claims like this. Not saying that's the most likely instance here, but I can't really determine the degree of risk he's taking with what he's softed so far.
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@Lunatic
What if he had hammered you, you flip town, and it was later revealed that vader was scum anyway?Then how bad does he look? Voting Vader here was his once chance to earn town cred, but he still did it after showing no progression of how he came to that conclusion after hard defending supa blatantly 5 times in a row.
I don't think it would have looked that terrible for him, especially given that I was basically the default pick for a number of other people at the time. I won't argue that his behavior before that point was looking a bit off, and I see your post detailing the reasons why, but the decision to hammer meant missing out on a pretty easy mislynch target and losing out on at least one NP with Vader in play. Maybe he saw it as worth gaining a little bit of towncred for the loss, I'm not dismissing that, but it's a lot to give up with little risk.
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@Ultracrepidarian
Also, I’d really like to know what this is all about. The idea was that Luna would have received some message, but only if he used an active role? Are you hinting at a Town RB?
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@Lunatic
@ResurgetExFavilla
I’m going to go back and read through this DP again before giving a more detailed read list. For now, I’ll just say that I’m not ruling out a bus entirely, but I’d sooner believe that Resurget bussed than Luna, since the latter practically dragged the lynch through from the start while the former lightly sussed Vader on the late side and then hammered.
That being said, I think this whole thing is distracting and it seems town v town. I don’t love Luna’s Even Night addendum to his claim, but I can’t see him going this hard to distance himself from his scum partner. As for Resurget, maybe he hammered to get some towncred, but he had the opportunity to post a vote on me instead and it wouldn’t have been difficult to justify at that point. If he had, I could just as easily been the lynch since I was offering to self-hammer with WyIted’s assistance.
So as of right now, I townread both of you and I think this is a waste of time.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
There was no flipped poisoner. There was a flipped 1x JOAT town poisoner. Why give town a role solely devoted to counter a 1x town ability? Unless there is a scum poisoner, the role makes no sense.
Points for accuracy I guess. He still was a Poisoner. I didn't say the role exists solely for the Town Poisoner, I said it makes sense that a response could exist from Town. It would make less sense for it to exist in response to a 1X role if that's all that exists, on that much we agree, but as I said to Pie, a scum Poisoner is absolutely not out of the question.
Something about whiteflame has been niggling me the whole game and I think I just grasped a little bit on it. It seems to be that Whiteflame is very concerned about not being nightkilled, is very concerned about not being lynched, and is not very concerned about hunting scum.
This is a baffling take, dude. I said in DP1 that it would have been my aim to draw the NK, but fake claiming a PR and getting CC'd was far more certain to lead to my mislynch. When Mikal led the charge on my lynch and we were at the last few hours of the DP, I actively volunteered to hammer myself if it came down to it. As for being "not very concerned about hunting scum", if that's your interpretation, so be it. I was calling out Vader for a good while after he clarified his claim. I've mainly been focused on my townreads so far this DP, so no, I haven't had a chance yet to start detailing my other reads. I can't help if that bothers you, and it seems like your issues are generally with how I scumhunt (which isn't dramatically different this game than it has been in others, whether I'm town or scum). I don't get the perspective at all that I'm somehow diffusing lynches. I get that I'm low activity this game and that my claim is inherently sus. Those are things I've actively admitted to, so if they make me scummy, not much I can do about that.
I was keeping quiet about this because I thought he might be a mason but I just reread this DP and realized that he visited Banana, who was the top scumread at the close of last DP. There is zero reason for a mason to make that visit. IMO the top likely scenarios are some sort of role that wouldn't clue a town player in to the fact that something was being done to them. Not a roleblocker or something like that, but a third party recruiter (which would clue them in while changing their alignment so they wouldn't squeal) or a scum framer. At first, I thought from a role perspective that a framer actually makes the most sense.
I don't get how you jumped from it to a recruitment mechanic - sounds like a bit of modpsych. A lot of the rest of this is pure speculation.
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@ILikePie5
If a poisoner poisoned someone, would that be announced at the start of the DP? Answer: YesWould a hypothetical Ascetic be able to be poisoned? Answer: YesThe latter question implicates Cerulean a lot for a couple of reasons. First, I couldn’t have been poisoned, meaning that if Ceru is telling the truth, scum didn’t use the poisoner for some reason after being down a player.Second, why would scum not use the poisoner? They don’t know a Town Poison Healer could exist, so they could just poison a confirmed townie like Mikal and avoid any risk of confirmation, etc..
My main issue with these as reasons for implicating Cerulean is that, unless someone else claims a means to do so, there is no response to the Poisoner role and we know at least one exists in this game. Maybe that's true - it's a 1X role and it's town, so it's possible there is no town response to someone being poisoned - but it seems weird for a role that gets a mod confirmed announcement to lack any means for town to address it.
Both of these points also focus on why scum would make the decision not to use their Poisoner (if they have one), which has some validity - I spent a lot of time considering a Poisoner for my last game and a lot of them do have a scum and town Poisoner in play - but I still think there are at least a couple of assumptions baked into this.
- That scum had no better choices available. I've seen a several game setups where scum have to choose if they Poison or NK. Choosing the NK isn't surprising if they wanted to take out the target that same night, which they clearly did. They also may have had to choose between using the Poisoner and some other unknown role, something we cannot know.
- That Poisoning this NP was obviously the best move. Yes, they could have hidden their use of Poisoning behind the now known town Poisoner, but that's really their only substantial benefit to using it this past NP. And even that is unclear since we don't know the order of operations. It's possible that a town Poisoner's role doesn't take effect because the NK happens first, which means it wouldn't necessarily be an action they could blame Irontoaster.
My third issue with Ceru is the character. It’s tied to Black Slime in the sense that Campfires are naturally found in the Underground and Cavern layers, which I think may be the theme split. Overworld items vs underground items. The only issue is the possible fake claims out there.
I still can't speak to the theme split. This could be it, but I think scum knows the theme split, so I don't know why they'd place themselves on the other side of it aside from just straight claiming their actual character.
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@ILikePie5
This goes back to Casey’s question, which is a very towny question.Scum already lost a partner. Would they really go after someone who claimed to have a Bomb and could’ve been a PGO?
It’s a risky play to be sure. I think scum would have recognized the risk of having an active Cop getting results and been willing to roll those dice. Recognizing that scum took a risk in leaving him alive and one in killing him (I at least believed his claim, though the possibility of a PGO was there) makes the decision more sensible, though it is a bit of a YOLO situation (which Luna is known for).
The Even Night Strengthener doesn’t make sense to me at all. First, it’s super convenient cause he should’ve 100% used it on Mikal.
Yeah… clarifying even night didn’t sit well with me either, though I’d have to believe he hard bussed his partner throughout the entire DP, and I’m not there yet.
Second, Ultra says that he visited Luna and Luna should know that. Ultra doesn’t have a reason to say that as scum, so that means either Luna is lying or there is some sort of Redirecter/Bus Driver/Deflector, etc in play. That plus an every night Ascetizer, why would Mharman make the Strengthener even night only?
Going to need it clarified what happened before I start sussing this. I’m unclear what Ultra meant by this and even less clear what that would mean for Luna in terms of what he should know about said visit.
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@Cerulean
Haven't mentioned it yet, but I townread your claim. The flipped Poisoner at least suggests the existence of some capacity to respond, whether scum have it or not. And regardless of who else has a Poisoner role, if you are scum, this would be a pretty ballsy claim to make given the number of unclaimed we still have. I don't see Mharman giving away that this role doesn't exist to scum, either, since that could potentially give away to scum that there is a town Poisoner in the game. It's possible, but unlikely, and I'd sooner believe you just went for it.
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@Mikal
Only way I could be scum is if wf is scum because he saw the mod confirmation before Mharm deleted it. Weirdly I still think he’s scum lol
Not weird at all. I'm the only other one who saw it, but far from the only one who could see what was going on. If people want to be uncertain about your mod confirmation in this instance, I don't think that's going to change unless I am confirmed, so I guess that's another reason for you to pursue my elimination.
As for why I'm still that high on your lynch pool despite your saying last DP that Vader flipping scum would essentially remove me from your scum pool, I can't say I get it, but it's your call. I don't think I am town confirmed or anything similar simply by virtue of my sussing Vader for much of the DP, but I also don't get what changed about your thinking on both Ultra and me between the end of last DP and the beginning of this one, since you had Ultra on your projected POE in this post but me in this one.
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@Casey_Risk
I just thought of an interesting question. Who here would be bold enough to try and NK Toaster after his claim?
Scum had a choice here: let the claimed Cop have a chance to get some results, or bank on them using their Cop or Poisoner role and try to get a kill. Knowing that he was the Bomb meant that trying to RB him would put scum at just as much risk (he hinted as much saying the Doc shouldn’t visit him), so it was either let him go wild with the Cop or take him out. There was a risk of losing one scum on the process, but the risk of one or more Cop results could outweigh that in a game this large.
So, yeah, I could see making this call. I probably would have done the same in their shoes. POE hasn’t been that dramatically reduced after DP1, he was the only claimed Investigative role, and that Poisoner was an ongoing risk to them as well. Bank on the view that he’d want to go on being a threat in the game? I would.
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Think it’s just been Banana’s claim since Pie last posted this, so here’s the update:
Lunatic - Loom - Strengthener (Soft: Crafting Station)
Mikal/Castin - Item Category
Ultra - Consumable Item
Whiteflame - Owl - Compulsive Visitor (Soft: Critter)
Pie - NPC
Resurget - Tiered NPC
Casey - Spear - Asceticizer
Savant - Vulture - Vanilla (Soft: NPC)
Joebob - Vital Item
Wylted - Chest - Doublevoter (Soft: Minecraft Item)
Banana - Ironskin Potion
Cerulean - Campfire - Poison Healer (Soft: Item Spawned Naturally)
Vader - Black Slime - Randomizer
Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb (No Soft)
I know I’ve been pretty inactive, but I’ve also been feverishly preparing for an audit at work (coming up Monday) and that’s both taken up most of my time and made me not want to continue staring at my computer. Thankfully, we’re basically ready now, so all that remains is judgement day.
As for the claims made so far, considering Banana’s suggests some protective role (I won’t speculate as to what) and she’s the only claimed protective role (Asceticizer being a kind of protection that wouldn’t stop the NK or Poisoner), I have more reason to believe it. My sus was based on her pretty weak reasoning for voting and I could see her doing that, at least with limited time left in the DP.
The Asceticizer claim by Casey is likely real given that someone else was affected by it, though it could be town or scum. I’ve been townreading Casey behaviorally - their reason for eventually hopping on my lynch felt a little strained, but I read resignation into Casey’s decision to pursue it rather than an active effort to recruit to the lynch, which would have made more given Mikal was already pushing for it.
So both are slight town reads.
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I’ve been slammed much of the day and don’t have the time to catch up fully, though I did see Banana’s claim. For now:
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@annabanana20
Well, shame irontoaster didn’t use his bomb, would’ve taken one more scum with him. Here’s hoping he used his Poisoner wisely, but he was probably banking on getting protected and used his Cop. Oh well.
I visited Banana during the night. Entirely possible that scum bussed Vader by the end of the DP, but I’m sussing Banana at this point for trying to shift the lynch to me with such limited reasoning. I’d like to get her claim:
VTL Banana
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@ResurgetExFavilla
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Cerulean
There are about... 2 hours left in the DP by my count. We're at 4 votes on me, 6 on Vader (7 with WyIted's double voter). WyIted seems willing to flip to my wagon, so this easily flips to 6 on me at his whim.
Here's how I see it: I don't think we benefit from the NL. We're almost certain to be on the chopping block in a later DP unless someone gets results that end up shifting the dynamic dramatically or scum just decide to make the job easy. So I'll make an offer. I've tagged three people who are not on either lynch (minus Vader). If one of you decides to VTL me, I'll be around and I'll hammer myself. You guys can move on with PoE and Mikal can eat crow. For now, my vote stays on Vader and if he ends up getting hammered before all that goes down, I'm more than good with that.
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@Mikal
Wf is a far better lynch. If Vader is ever caught moving or with any result he has no excuse. Wf has a weird role and weird behavior and has an out.
Still don't understand the behavioral read, but I'll give you the rest of this. It's a negative utility role and I fully expect to be in PoE the rest of the game because of it, if not outright scumread for who I visit. Not much I can do about that.
I can just tell in the mannerisms and it’s very hard how to articulateGive me benefit of the doubt and go wf and I’m wrong I’ll eat.
Honestly, sorely tempted to just let this happen so that you can realize this isn't a thing. Whether I get lynched this DP or later, you'll figure out that you're tunneling me behaviorally for no reason.
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@Mikal
@annabanana20
@Casey_Risk
As for the reasoning on me, you each have something different, so I’ll address them.
Mikal - if you need to prove to yourself that this is my NAI behavior, then I guess there’s nothing I can do about it. Not putting a vote down until near the end of the DP characterizes a lot of my games, but you haven’t seen that many.
Casey - Not a lot to say here since this just seems to be a decision based in PoE. I’ve at least seen enough analysis from you that I believe you’re just at odds with other potential lynches on the table and this is just your more palatable choice, though the lack of a clear set of reads makes it difficult to fully place this vote in context.
Banana - like Luna, I’m put off by the decision to suddenly jump back in the DP and VTL me entirely because of my role. Considering you had scum reads in Luna and Savant and a pretty big pile of null reads, this either comes off as opportunistic or just acceding to someone else’s argument to get a lynch and either way it’s the weakest reasoning on my wagon.
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@Vader
@Mharman
At this point, I’ll at least lock in with my choice:
VTL Vader
Did notice Vader just said he’d be posting his reads, but I doubt they’ll meaningfully move the needle. There’s just too much inconsistency and while I could buy some of it, much of that would be true of a fake claim as well as a real one. I do believe the character was miswritten to be two words, but the points about the justification just don’t sit well with me.
Also pinging Mharman since he asked.
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