zedvictor4

Apex.

Do you hunt kangaroos.

Or have a triangular head

Yep we could easily become extinct.

Only takes one fuckin big asteroid.

I think Eve evolved first.

GOD only evolved 2 or 3 thousand years ago...The Abrahamic one that is

Though obviously, until there was a human that could perform more complex data processing tasks, there would have been no GOD.

My money is on the Sun GOD being the first, which is actually much nearer the mark in terms of both logic and realism.

Well, the population as a whole is growing in numbers.

And if Non-Christian societies are breeding faster than Christian societies, then so it will be.

To be honest.

Poly is an essential part of  the eclectic mix of Debateart participants.

Her individuality would be sadly missed if she ever decide to quit.

If everyone was the same, that would be so boring

Yep cancer is a  naturally occurring organic process.

Everything in the Universe is a product of the universe and can be nothing other than natural.

Unnatural is a contradiction.

So we make plastic, why would that not be a natural process....Are we not natural?

Diet or to diet?

Relative of course.

In a plentiful, affluent society the base instinct for nutrition is often overfed.

Therefore one needs to think sensibly and positively about ones nutritional intake. 

Similarly in a plentiful and affluent society, the essential need for bodily exercise is often overlooked.

The sum total of laziness and an unnecessary and unbalanced level of food intake will inevitably lead to physical and mental health problems.

Dieting, as in temporary faddy eating regimes, is proven time and time again to be ineffective as a long term solution.

More often than not such lifestyle behaviour will tend to exacerbate associated physical and mental health problems in the long term.

Poor formative education/conditioning in regard to nutrition and exercise will also help to lay the foundations for poor health in later life.

Feed your kids fatty, stodgy processed fast food and they will grow up craving the stuff.

Similarly, allow your kids to sit on their backsides in their rooms all day and that is what they will get used to.

An ongoing  balanced diet, coupled with regular exercise is all one needs to stay positive and fit.

PMA and exercise.

No dieting required.

Everything is natural.

Memories.

Nice.

11.20am here.

Off to do some work now.

Regards to NZ.

So, are you British?

Or are you just up late or early elsewhere?

I'm British and literally waiting for paint to dry.

For sure.

Male nipples can be regarded as vestigial.

The story of Adam and Eve is a story of Adam and Eve.

A sort of very naive creation hypothesis with references to human sexuality thrown in.

All written by naive scholars back in the day when scholars knew a lot less than they do now.

And in short, unless the concieved zygote posesses a specific SRY gene it will develop into a female.

So fundamentally we are all the same, but sex is nonetheless determined at conception.

People cluster.

It's a survival strategy.

Ideology provides an excuse to cluster.

Cult, tribe, crowd, gang, group, club, fellowship, brotherhood, sisterhood, non-binaryhood etc etc etc.

Though why would GODDO wear clothes.

Prior to human bashfulness, weren't clothes a temperature related thing?

OK. So maybe it gets cold in heaven.

I'm guessing a very high cut, paisley patterned Y front.

And sandals with socks.

 

We would just argue over something else.

Like the colour of GODDO's underpants.

Or the Donbas region.

Or Football and Cricket.

The possibilities are endless.

An early stage/genetic instruction of the embryo/foetal development process.

So the human nipple is a characteristic of the human species and not primarily a female characteristic.

Everyone perceives difference and internally discriminates.

Output will vary relative to how we have been conditioned to consolidate data preferences.

Also....Maybe sub-conscious signalling is stronger in some ethnic groups.

Nature over nurture as it were.

After all, species evolution is a slow process, and the amalgamation of sub-groups is a relatively recent phenomena.

A fact is an internal conclusion relative to something

Therefore subject to data analysis.

Therefore everything is subjective.

Without a brain/processing unit there is nothing.

Sure.

But do you enjoy doing so.

If not,

Why bother.

Do you feel insulted.

I do not feel insulted.

Poly seems to think that we are insulting.

I think Poly is funny.

I would suggest that the above statement doesn't really make sense.

Nonetheless, do you derive satisfaction from verifying if?

Anyone can study the Bible.

And it's fair to say that most who would label as theist, have probably never studied the bible, or even read it from cover to cover.

Whereas, both ardent theists and ardent atheists will undoubtedly have studied the bible.....See Stephen.

My knowledge of the bible is probably as good as a basic theists would be.

Certainly within a discussion forum.

The reason I'm here is because this  is a mentally stimulating and enjoyable exercise.

Why are you here?

Not really.

Notwithstanding that the whole tree of knowledge thing is all about the human fascination with sexuality.

If GODDO really didn't want A and E to know, then why make a tree of knowledge available.

But you know the Bible is baloney don't you?

Well, there is theistic data and we can all share it and conclude variously.

And some conclusions are labelled as atheist.

Which leads to contention.

And one would hope that contention in a discussion forum would also lead to two way fun.

I can assure you that the Red Sea parting for Moses was never etched in my mind.

Yep.

I suppose so.

Where did they get the needle and thread from?

Why would  GOD have provided sewing kit?

@Poly.

Perhaps you stated the above because it is actually you who hates atheists.

I personally love theists, because they have some fun ideas to discuss.

Alternative Intelligence programmed by humans is not really intelligent, but merely a programmed device that can be controlled, predicted and exploited.

Real A.I. is not quite here yet.

1. You are human and a machine/device will be what it is, you will not necessarily have the same emotional requirements.

     The point of existence may be greater than an individual human's internal need for a purpose greater than it's necessary purpose.

2. The idea of a direct download of human consciousness from brain to device has been around for quite a while, and I see no reason why this will not be feasible.

All depends upon "GODS"

1. Magical floaty about blokes?

2. Or a potential relative to intelligence, that gives creation and universal evolution a purpose?

From my viewpoint one of these is more logical than the other.

And also from my viewpoint a sing song  on a Sunday morning is completely unnecessary.

Am I an Atheist?

Love and wants are internal electro-chemical responses to external stimuli.

Which we think about and label according to a linguistic standard.

We label all sorts of stuff with "LOVE".

All thought processes are internal and therefore subjective irrespective of the agreed validity of the data.

Yep.

Collectivism is a good species survival strategy.

Ideology is an evolutionary development thereof.

Deism and religious development were an evolutionary inevitability of an intellectual specialist.

Eating sensibly and exercising regularly is common sense.

So relabel it and market it as Keto, and the faddists will temporarily buy into it.

Same as ever.

(1) Why would  qualia be a necessity for an alternative intelligence?

(2) How to program sentience....Download it.

Yep.

I see an organic/inorganic hybrid as likely part of the process of intellectual development.

Butterscotch brittle sounds like love and morality to me.

Liquorice ice cream, immoral without a doubt.

That's the beauty of theory.

But perhaps the transference of intellectual responsibility to devices (Alternative Intelligence) is more probable and more practical.

Nowhere is it written that the evolution of matter peaks with organic intelligence.

Given what one might conclude are the universal necessities of material evolution, then it's perhaps more likely that the inorganic will be more suited to the task.

Though not suggesting that human intellectual evolution has already reached it's zenith. Species manipulation as you describe, is still in it's infancy.

As far as we know, we are the only existent highly intellectual  organic lifeforms in the Universe and this small planet we are still bound to, has limited resources.

And so, we are driven to acquire knowledge, and things must and will change.

I know what you are saying.

Nonetheless all organic data is subject to the same processes.

This site is full of assumed fact and assumed counter-fact.

Socrates and Meno were not exceptions.....Just notable but equally fallible persons of their time.

@Tarik.

I love Ice Cream.

Is that what morality is.

This discussion got real hot real quick.

Hot shit.

Must have been eating chilli's.

Nice.

Is Heh an Aussie word?

Objectivity is subjectivity dressed up.

The moment that we convert stored data to thought to narrative.

Didn't know that you played the harp?

I understand the concept.

Ask pro-lifers what life actually is, and no one actually knows.

I assume that the sperm and the egg inherit their life force from the mother and father, who inherit it from, who inherit it from, etc etc.

What is it in the seed that lies dormant in the ground for years and years waiting for rain?

Maybe it is GOD given.

But where did a GOD get it from?

#6

Said with conviction.

@Poly

On line dictionary's good for definitions.

Though personally acquired and stored data relative to the topic of religion is pretty general, irrespective of whatever label you wish to attribute to a database.

It's somewhat foolish to suggest that theists and atheists think differently, because of how you choose to label them. When in fact they are all subject to the same basic data input.

The difference lies in conclusion and output.

So for a general debate site such as this, all output relative to the subject of religion is equally valid. 

If you wish to specialise, go dance naked in the woods with your mates. (Only f****** joking).