zedvictor4

So:

Emotive arguments aside,

Respond with science,

And answer a simple question.

What actually is life?

So:

I would propose that,

It is the necessary potential which the organic must possess in order that it should be sustained.

But what is it?

And therefore:

Why would there be a difference between the necessary potential that sustains an embryo, and the necessary potential that sustains a grass seed?

Whereby we might propose that one is more important than the other.

Don't forget....Science rather than emotion and human bias.

What isn't reality?

I too used to run with the idea that there was a distinction to be made between realism and conceptualism.

Why would a religion attack it's GOD?

Wouldn't that be sort of counter-intuitive?

Oh almighty GODDO thou art a dumbass in heaven.

GOD only chiselled tablets of stone.

In what language or script I'm not sure.

Though Western Christians will have you believe that it was all in English.

Thou shalt not, as it were.

He was so omni that he hadn't even learned how to use a pen and paper.

As for word processing......

He sure was omni.

I think that realism is often viewed as controversial theses days.

Society has set new conceptual standards that are somewhat out of sync with old realities.

Though one still has to consider that new standards become new realities.

What I'm saying is, that although you are young, perhaps you were conditioned with older values.

Certainly being Chinese, your conditioning and outlook will inevitably manifest differently to that of a Western audience.

Why do you think that people shun you as weird?

Perhaps you create your own identity crises.

I would suggest that most users of worthy intellect, will treat you with equal respect.

The transatlantic slave trade was a while ago Doc.

Being against it now, is an absolutely waste of time.

Notwithstanding that historical facts are often repurposed or conveniently forgotten. 

History has a tendency to be rewritten or reimagined.

Do you think that 20million people voluntarily turned up on the West African coast to be shipped abroad by Whitey?

I do not believe.

One either knows or hypothesises.

Says nothing.

You have an odd view of adulthood.

Do you think that it is something that happens overnight?

Debateart is good mental exercise first thing in the morning, and at other odd times when I'm not banging hoes.

But don't tell Mrs Zed.

Wagging class generally not good.

And finna lit is an assumption and often a let down.

And when I'm sitting at my kitchen table tapping my lap top, I don't feel at all "couped".

Or did you mean cooped?

Take a day, an average day.

What does rich do, that contentment can't?

Presumably most rich people wash their own backsides?

Get up, do something, eat and drink, do something, eat and drink, do something and go to bed.

Flashier kitchen and tartier gold diggers perhaps.

What is GOD.

Can you explain/describe it?

Nope.

Always sparkling.

A GODDO not being proven to be real and existent, is proof enough that an existent GOD is currently not a fact.

Words Words Words.

And therein lies another tale of Universal purpose.

Wherein The GOD Principle is sound.

Nighty Night,

Bedtime in the UK.

That was my point.

I see it as green.

I was taught that grass is green.

So I accept that it is green and that anything that resembles grass is green.

But I might actually see it as purple.

How would I know the difference.

We simply apply a sound or symbols (words) to an image.

Nice.

As a Pro choicer I also agree that there should be strict limits on abortion.

I would not object to it being set at considerably less than twenty weeks though.

The majority of women know that they have conceived within the first two to four weeks.

And all women should be aware that they have participated in unprotected sexual intercourse.

Enjoy your debate.

Not exactly true.

A. Unless you perpetually exist in a lush meadow.

B. if your visual receptors and brain conform to an accepted norm.

Everything you see might actually be purple.....How would you know?...If you had always been told that purple was green.

Most pro-lifers are selectively moral.

And any reasonable pro-choicer is preferably pro-life.

No relationship required.

Take the red pill.

Fuck and go.

I am am a moderate pro choice pro lifer.

He's a bald guy currently with plenty of testosterone.

And has a lot to tell us apparently.

And some gullible techno junkies will probably hang on his every word.

Time and Space are intangible qualities and therefore potentially infinite.

Matter creates events with a duration.

The greater the event the longer the duration.

An ongoing event is therefore only limited by it's own potential.

I would say so.

An actually existent GOD is currently not a fact.

So there is one obvious way for theists  to clear up this issue.

Atheists have nothing to clarify.

Makes no difference what one or a million theists believe.

I am currently content with there not being an existent GOD.

I would be just as content  if it was proven to me that there is an existent GOD.

Quite frankly it's more than a tad stupid that GOD itself doesn't clarify the issue once and for all.

Rather than visit one bloke, up a mountain a few thousand years ago and present him with a few lumps of chiselled stone.

Surely OMNIGOD had already got technology in the bag.

Even if it was just a pencil and paper.

One mans* domestic terrorist is another mans* freedom fighter.

Depends upon which side of the domestic fence one positions oneself.

*Please note that I use the term "man" as a general reference to the species homo-sapiens.

No offence intended to our multi-gendered terrorist cousins, as it were.

Every one of your 8 points is easily contradicted.

From gamete fusion to birth, the zygote/embryo/foetus is naturally* reliant upon the host for survival.

Baby and child are emotive arguments.

Babies and children are not necessarily naturally* reliant upon the host for survival.

* Nature:

Surgical and medical intervention is the application of scientific knowledge, such that foetal development can be unnaturally maintained both within and outside the host environment.

Though how one chooses to define nature is yet another philosophical/semantical dilemma. But I would suggest that there is a distinction to be made between a medically/surgically assisted pregnancy and and a totally unassisted pregnancy.

Point of fact being, that if all interferences of pregnancies from conception to birth were outlawed, then the failure rate of the zygote/embryo/foetus and host death rate, would considerably exceed that of current abortion rates.

The ABORTION issue.....Selective morality as ever....Often relative to fantasy creation hypotheses.

Is a soundbite relative to species development.

Sort of jealous mockery based upon resentment.

Things occurred as they did, do as they do and will develop as they will.

Epistemological.

That's one of your favourites.

Factuality maybe limited.

Though the definition of knowledge is quite broad.

One was simply relating personal behaviour to the situation.

Without any depth of consideration I have always assumed that you were human.

Foolish perhaps?

Well.

Stitching on?

Or cutting of and making an incision?

Might imply Eve first, and then GODDO (she perhaps,  being  the seamster that they obviously were) took Eves rib and sewed on one of her six toes (removing the opposite  to provide balance and uniformity).

Would also explain the big feet big whotsit adage.

So just be thankful that your Mum wore size 9's.

How did they attach the leaves before velcro?

Resin perhaps.

Sticky pubes as it were.

Democratic Republics are best.

And democracy is a homo-sapiens endeavour.

As is shooting people.

As is having sex with hot girls and vice versa.....Let's not be discriminatory.

So let's also include everyone else who thinks that they don't fit the old gender stereotypes.

You know, the ones whose sexual  identity is actually defined by  the gametes  they produce.

But hey I digress.

Said the Wolf to the sheep.

Knowing full well that the sheep possessed neither the knowledge nor the dexterity.

To either make or discharge a gun.

Clever Wolf.

Who came first J or M.

Therefore in terms of importance and seniority J is obviously more important than M.

Stands to reason.

As it also stands to reason that books written by men are just that.

Though people have a tendency to think and output relative to conditioning.

So one would expect Mr Muslim to contradict Mr Christian and vice versa.

And Mr Atheist thinks that Mr Muslim and Mr Christian are both a bit bonkers.

@Deb.

And GODDO said:

If the angle of the dangle = the heat of the beat.

Then the throb of the knob is constant.

@22

What about the the vagina bits.

Not to mention all the endocrinal differences.

And the propensity for doing the laundry.

@Poly.

Socio-psychological conditioning and species development is.

And gametes are.

And everything is real and natural within a Universal context.

#36

Everyone is inwardly racist.

As in making discriminatory decisions based upon perceivable differences.

Output relative to said decisions is what one should consider.

And output can be deplorable.

Or output can be pleasant and accommodating.

Though this is based upon two way trade off of internal consideration.

The old white man always bad, back man always victim is a good few hundred years out of date now.

And was never true anyway.

And history was what history did.

Never to be revisited or altered.

Perhaps Florida has more criminals per capita.

Maybe the whole vibe relative to time zone, oceanography, topography, culture etc....Makes Californian dudes a whole lot cooler than their Floridian counterparts.

Maybe one shouldn't read too much into statistics.

Statistics are as statistics do, as the saying goes.

I was suggesting that the process and outcome was probably involuntary.

Therefore you did "that" without consideration or effort.

Though I'm less than certain of the veracity of the comment.

And more inclined towards Athian resonance.

The synchronous vibration of a neighbouring object, as it were.

Whereby the resultant effect is cynical.

Ongoing belief in a hypothesis, where the is no attempt to verify the hypothesis is worthless.

So verify the hypothesis and show me a GOD.

Though the variability of words and language does allow us to attribute a secondary value to the contentment found in conditioned data.

Nonetheless the discussion here is specifically about the belief in a hypothetical deity. Rather than the contentment found therein.

For sure we can broaden the parameters of any discussion to take anything into account.

You are proof that theistic hypotheses are.

Proof enough for me any way.

See above.

Are you an echo?

But you don't know for sure.

Therefore it is not a fact.

Though as I suggested a certain amount of common sense can be applied in certain circumstances.

If I was to say that I was in fact GOD, would you believe me?......Probably not.

The odds on me being human are pretty high.

I would therefore further suggest that actually and without consideration, you accept that I am human, rather than actually invoking the necessity of belief.

Hey.

What is normal?

Are you normal? 

Or relative to every one else are you a whack job?

Or do you mean why doesn't everyone agree with you all of the time?

I would suggest that the basis of a discussion and debate website is a difference of opinion.

I would also suggest that a discussion and debate website will attract a certain clientele.

Including you.

Enjoy or go elsewhere.

Because we all do, all of the time.

It's the basis of a system of communication.

Verified by a collective agreement in relation to factual knowledge.

Belief is an imaginative hypothesis not founded on the basis of factual knowledge.

Nonetheless, it is a fact that theistic hypotheses are.

Such is lexicon.

People say stuff.

Other people do stuff and tend not to say what they do.

Belief and fact are antonyms.

Fact is verified data, belief is unverified data.

A fact is not dependant upon belief.

All within the limits of certainty relative to our own physiological limitations of understanding.

Notwithstanding the variability of language and interpretation thereof.

So in my opinion only. 

My wife has been my ideal woman for 38 years now.

She doesn't wear make up, she isn't disfigured with extensive tattoos and piercings, she looks after herself and has a responsible attitude towards diet. She is intelligent and caring.

After that my two daughters are also my ideal women, modern versions of the above.

I would suggest that there is pretty and then there is pretty ridiculous....Which is more the point I was making.

But I'm an old geezer.

Notwithstanding that it is very difficult to pin a singular word down. (Belief)

Once we start compounding words or suffixing and prefixing or both or all three, we stand no chance.

Logical necessity.....Logic clearly varies between individuals, so individually logic is necessary but collectively logic is unnecessary as it cannot be pinned down.

Though everything including variable logic might be an evolutionary necessity, therefore logical.

We create sounds and symbols and apply them to variable data sequences....Never in quite the same way.

Explicit definitions are thin on the ground.

At some point one has to conclude that there is such a thing as common sense.

Though common sense is obviously a variable concept in itself.

So perhaps it's best to accept then, that it is impossible to be even reasonably certain of anything.

As for belief....How you wish to interpret it, is your choice...Semantics.

My interpretation is simple.....Acceptance without fact.

So based upon previous knowledge, one might suggest that they believe the 47 bus will arrive in approximately 10 minutes. But one has no way of knowing the 47 bus will actually arrive, until the bus arrives.

Same applies to the GOD bus.

Though, previous evidence for the GOD bus is hypothetical, whereas the 47  bus that one caught at the same time yesterday was as reasonably factual as it was possible to get.

Oh...And I keeping asking you to show me GOD.

So show me GOD and I will add it to my list of certainties.

Until then, belief is worthless.

The U.S.A. is founded on immigrants.

It's just that the ones who are already there have become a tad selfish.

Reason is not necessarily logical.

And logic is not necessarily reasonable.

Does that mean alrighty I will try it with the sound off.

Begorrah.