zedvictor4

See above.

Nonetheless:

As far as this independently functioning, intellectual unit is concerned.

There is no actually existent, externally perceivable GOD.

I do not need to believe this, because I know this.

What anyone else cares to think is up to them.

Of course, show me one and I will  amend my database.

Well, we created words that attempted to define stuff and we also developed semantics.

Whereby nothing quite means what it says and definition becomes imprecise and contradictory.

So: 

1. Is there an actually existent GOD......Externally perceivable.......No.

2. Is there an existent GOD......Relative to internal  process....Imagination......Yes.

And relative to inflection within a context , yes can mean no and no can mean yes.

It's win win, never win, as far as words go, especially where an outcome is unattainable.

Definitive evidence without belief is definitive evidence....So defines a fact rather than a hypothesis.

I don't believe facts, I accept them.

Show me an actually existent GOD.

Imagination.....Internal data processing for sure.

Exactly...Internal data processing, different outcomes.

Well "public" is a very general word....Whereas religion is somewhat more sectarian....Hence there are different groupings teaching different things.

Hence not every one believes in imaginary deities, or the same imaginary deity.

But yes, I was saying that the formative conditioning of children is brainwashing.....In my opinion of course.

Is simply a lack of definitive evidence.

If something is factual then belief is irrelevant.

Actually existent GODS are not facts, therefore theists like to substitute factual certainty with imagination....Belief.

Atheists do not benefit from interpreting data in quite the same way.

Data in, data assessment, data storage and maybe data output.

The consolidation of theistic style data or atheistic style data, is usually relative to the formative conditioning of children.

Refer to it as education or refer to it as brainwashing. You choose.

@Poly.

Religion is pseudo-science.

Seeking answers to an unanswerable question.

Based upon a supernatural hypothesis.

Of course, religion also developed into a method of social control.

Two explanations that I wasn't afraid to put forward.

Floaty about blokes, not rational.

Nothing cowardly about common sense.

Nonetheless:

In the tale,  the Joe character doesn't come across as the alpha male.

Most real  blokes would have had the missus stoned to death.

Which would suggest, either that the sprog was actually Joe's, and he and Mary were spinning an elaborate yarn.

Or, that Joe was in fact intellectually deadbeat and hadn't got a clue, and would fall for any old nonsense.

I wonder what Jesus did on his fifth birthday.

For sure.

Yep.

Plum crumble and custard.

Yum Yum.

Undoubtedly.

Interestingly in the club I ride with, though the gender mix is probably as you stated, the younger newer members are all female. Very few younger males take up the sport. It seems to be something that 30+ males get in to. I would say that the average age of the male club rider is probably 40/45. Whereas the average age of the female club rider is probably 25/30.

We do have a youth section, mostly MTB, where the mix is pretty even. Though one tends to find that a lot lose interest in their late teens. Other things on their minds and other demands upon their time. Even amateur riding demands a considerable amount of commitment and effort.

Walking good also, but like running is harder on the legs as you get older.

Love is what?

Was it ever any more than an internal response to an external stimulus?

Slowly corrupted by the human propensity to overthink.

Surely if  we possessed an actual instinctive love for an unrelated adult, then it would override the developed necessities of career and social success..

Romantic love is baloney really isn't it?

What love attempts to describe are specific internal electro-chemical processes, relative to sensory messaging.

If one and ones prospective partner are astute, then it should easily be possible to combine both a career and a relationship.

It is reasonable to suggest that a worm man might not have arms.

I suppose a lot depends upon the genetics of the chimera.

Dominant arm genes or not, as it were.

It might just be a brownish red, slithery about thing with a human head and brain.

Though for sure, the second amendment is a tad out of date.

Unfortunately/fortunately for America. everyone is heavily armed.

It's a MAD world.

As I see it, a pig would be aware of what was happening.

But rape is an intellectual concept.

Overthink as it were.

Very much a human specialism.

Sort of the reason why pigs never split the atom.

And why we stopped frying humans for breakfast.

And some have taken the overthink of nutrition and ethics to a higher level, and also stopped frying bacon for breakfast.

What they will do when they  feel the urge to take into consideration the concept and ethics of plant abuse, I don't know.

Though I suppose that the extraction of nutrients from decaying matter is a viable option.

Is it ethical for a vegan/veggie to wait around for animals to drop dead from natural causes?

And what about road kill?  Must be one heck of a dilemma for driving, vegan/veggie, ethical overthinkers.

Sort of rambling but all sort of relative.

As I always say.

Gotta be somewhere doing something.

When I was younger I also used to work from dawn to dusk most days, doing similar stuff, day job/s and everything else required of a father of two. 

And still find time and energy to fit in either MTB or road cycling.

I'm modernising my current property, but much more slowly this time. Mostly cosmetic changes and interior alterations.

Cottage also needs re-slating, but I will get a contractor in to do that. Don't have the time or energy for big jobs like that now.

Road cycling still very important for mind and body though.

And not forgetting the wonderfully supportive Mrs Zed.

Keep up the good work ebuc.

We will get there in the end.

Yep.

I agreed......Voluntary controlled reduction, is super best option.

Though getting 8 billion people to run with common sense has always been a tall order. Hasn't it ebuc?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving, only 77years after nuclear devastation....Not really long term even. Is it ebuc?

As I said, just short term scary.

Was or wasn't corona virus a product of manipulated nature....Sort of semi-optional?.....Not sure about this one. What about you ebuc?

Contraception good.

Keeping people alive well into senility and decrepitude bad....Do you agree ebuc?

Went and visited Gran today, she sat in her chair staring into space and wet herself.......Bless her.

Well researched.

For me.

A toned body is attractive.

Whereas an over toned body becomes freakish.

And an untoned body becomes uglier and uglier, the more it develops.

Just, fucking science.

Only Viagra rockets required.

And given all the sin, ribs and mud shit.

Might suggest a certain asexual deity.

Mrs Zed is very well and is revelling in the wonders of cataract surgery.

She now eagerly awaits the the same for her left eye.

Thanks for asking.

I hope that you and yours are flourishing too.

@Poly.

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Well stated.

Wouldn't it be dull if everyone agreed about everything?

Contextually "blind beholders" is a contradiction in terms.

Beauty is only skin deep.

True.

Who knows what ravages beneath.

And how much cosmetic illusion hides the truth. 

Who would be the most honest judge of physical beauty.

The blind or the sighted?

As a species we adapt to design and development.

Material evolution and our part therein.

Though we still continue to appreciate the unchanging.

A super idea without a doubt.

Though I think that a voluntarily implemented re-education of the entire human race isn't on the cards any time soon.

I would suggest that a major catastrophe is currently the best option.

A better virus that out performs birth rate is perhaps preferable to global famine. (In terms of management)

Though maybe techno boffins can come up with some subliminal thing that turns the whole planet gay.  (Already an increasingly popular western solution)

Are nukes too messy in the long term?......Hmmmmmm perhaps not......Just short term scary.

Chemical reactions for sure Doc.

And though I do like some sounds, I find a lot of "popular music" tedious and oftentimes irritating.

My favourite sound is the dawn chorus.

And yes, the sound of popular porn is also very tedious and irritating.

So I am told.

Though I'm proud of you coming out of the porn closet, as it were.

Did you ever try it with the sound turned off?

Top of the morning to ya Doc.

I admire your knowledge of Anseriformes.

And morality is a variable concept.

As is good and bad.

And discrimination is a survival mechanism.

See and hang around.

Or see and beat a hasty retreat.

Music is as music does.

An internal response to an external sound.

Via a sensory organ.

Popular music, is as much about visual images as it is about actual noise.

It's what all people do, all the time.

It's how we function.

Data in, data assessment, discriminate.

All in the blink of an eye.

So, society might tell us that this it is wrong to discriminate

And we might assess this data and concur.

Nonetheless, we will always make discriminatory judgements about others.

Even our nearest and dearest.

So what chance strangers.

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. J.E.E.D. Acton.

Well, I suppose that a mass depopulation event would be good for all sorts of reasons.

Let's remain positive.

So anti-vaxxers will inherit the Earth.

Either them or the Chinese.

It's been nice talking to you.

Organic structures vary.

I'm sort of pleased that I don't have to walk up and down windows all day until I eventually drop dead.

I'm also glad that I understand the concept of going out of the open door I came in through.

What do the Uyghur people think of this system of friendly cooperation and integration.

Equally unfalsifiable for sure.

As are the green Unicorns found on the Planet Zog.

Which are actually independent, sentient, photosynthetic, horse like plants that absorb nutrients through their horn like structures.

Strange but true.....Prove me wrong.

How many miracles is irrelevant.

One or a million, just depends upon the of the inventiveness of the author.

The biggest one being an infinitely existent creator, who blatantly contradicts the something from nothing principle that you go on to expound.

Funny how a universe  couldn't, and in the next breath a GOD could.

This is the same old flawed contradictory deistic argument.

As I always say.

GOD principle sound.

But not floaty about blokes.

Especially blokes of very recent Middle Eastern folk tales.

Pseudo hypothetical magical blokes are created by human blokes with a vivid imagination.

You were the one that said "no one" twice.

No one is everyone, so no one is a patently incorrect assertion.

Procreational drive is such that Laws of attraction have very little influence.

Socio-psychological influenced stereotyping and expectations are a separate issue.

Except themselves and their families and friends. 

And I doubt that most reasonable people would deny them them the right to procreate.

So you assuming to represent the views of everyone, is a tad arrogant to say the least.

Perhaps you think that you are somehow perfect.

All GODS and religions are seemingly, equally unnecessary.

But seemingly also equally necessary.

I would suggest that these are true statements.

GODS and religions represent something.

But not necessarily something external.  Though most religions incorporate external interaction as a part of their narrative and ritualism..

So the effects of GODS and religion can be perceived and felt externally.

We are evolved blobs of organic matter incorporating an onboard, sophisticated, organic computer.

And GODS and religions have been an important part of the process of data development and associated material manipulation.

This has occurred so cannot be denied and cannot be altered.

Whether or not we do any of this for any other reason than this, can only be speculated upon.

True?

 

All that testosterone fuelled weaponry kicking about is a recipe for trouble, especially when you can't get it up like you used to.

War is basically about (older) men trying to impress the (younger) ladies.

Come and look at my missile girlies.

Upon reflection, a bad choice of words.

And the eye thing makes for interesting reading.

As I understand it, genes are obviously responsible for outcomes, though eye colouration does not necessarily effect eye development  and visual function.

Though lighter eye pigmentation is more likely to lead to some degenerative problems over time.

A tad arrogant me thinks.

Maybe it's just that "most" people don't  always agree with you.

As "most" does suggest that you are few.

Nonetheless:

In an election, your preferred candidate wins 51% to 49%.

In this instance 51% is "most" people.

So relative to your opinion, would this be a worthless, uninformed result?

Abstain.

#40

I'm loving this realism.

Imaginary GODS were created to fulfil a need.

Ongoing data transfer therefore dictates that Imaginary GODS exist within all data bases.

Though some are conditioned to accept  this as an irresolvable uncertainty, and therefore conclude that a GOD may/does actually exist in reality.

 

This is the basis of belief.

Lacking  deistic  belief,  indicates that some people were not so affected by the transfer of spurious archaic information.

Also, in some instances reassessment of old data can result in a new conclusion.

Though all relevant data will continue to persist for as long as the onboard  computer is still functioning adequately.

An imaginary conundrum that is "irresolvable", becomes what it becomes.

He is the focus of a widespread religion.

Ongoing data transfer made it what it is today.

Teach your kids non-sense and they will teach their kids non-sense.

Who conducted such studies of pre bronze age people?

Reducing the gene pool is not a good thing.

Perfect clones eventually breed monsters.

Deadbeat parents is an ongoing issue of TheUnderdog's. I thought perhaps you were aware.

And for sure, structure and performance are dictated by genes.

Quirkiness is often appealing though, more so than cosmetic clones in my opinion.

The product of humanity is material progress.

Ongoing political machinations are what they are.

Is your existence so bad?

Voting expectations are such that most cannot be bothered.

As a vote is almost expected to be a debate within itself.

If someone whinges enough, the moderators will happily remove a vote.

And for sure bias is prevalent.

So votes have little value, other than as a statistic.

Do you have microscopic visual capability,  analysing gene structure as you do?

And talking of homophones,

I like skinny jeans on slender legs and pert arses.

Skinny jeans on big arses and fat legs is a contradiction in terms.

Fatty jeans would be more accurate, but some people might be offended.

And for sure, others would be turned on. (Eye of the beholder and all that).

Perhaps you mean that you prefer women who have attained a certain level of intellect. (Deadbeat mum and all that).