zedvictor4

Most pro-lifers are selectively moral.

And any reasonable pro-choicer is preferably pro-life.

No relationship required.

Take the red pill.

Fuck and go.

I am am a moderate pro choice pro lifer.

He's a bald guy currently with plenty of testosterone.

And has a lot to tell us apparently.

And some gullible techno junkies will probably hang on his every word.

Time and Space are intangible qualities and therefore potentially infinite.

Matter creates events with a duration.

The greater the event the longer the duration.

An ongoing event is therefore only limited by it's own potential.

I would say so.

An actually existent GOD is currently not a fact.

So there is one obvious way for theists  to clear up this issue.

Atheists have nothing to clarify.

Makes no difference what one or a million theists believe.

I am currently content with there not being an existent GOD.

I would be just as content  if it was proven to me that there is an existent GOD.

Quite frankly it's more than a tad stupid that GOD itself doesn't clarify the issue once and for all.

Rather than visit one bloke, up a mountain a few thousand years ago and present him with a few lumps of chiselled stone.

Surely OMNIGOD had already got technology in the bag.

Even if it was just a pencil and paper.

One mans* domestic terrorist is another mans* freedom fighter.

Depends upon which side of the domestic fence one positions oneself.

*Please note that I use the term "man" as a general reference to the species homo-sapiens.

No offence intended to our multi-gendered terrorist cousins, as it were.

Every one of your 8 points is easily contradicted.

From gamete fusion to birth, the zygote/embryo/foetus is naturally* reliant upon the host for survival.

Baby and child are emotive arguments.

Babies and children are not necessarily naturally* reliant upon the host for survival.

* Nature:

Surgical and medical intervention is the application of scientific knowledge, such that foetal development can be unnaturally maintained both within and outside the host environment.

Though how one chooses to define nature is yet another philosophical/semantical dilemma. But I would suggest that there is a distinction to be made between a medically/surgically assisted pregnancy and and a totally unassisted pregnancy.

Point of fact being, that if all interferences of pregnancies from conception to birth were outlawed, then the failure rate of the zygote/embryo/foetus and host death rate, would considerably exceed that of current abortion rates.

The ABORTION issue.....Selective morality as ever....Often relative to fantasy creation hypotheses.

Is a soundbite relative to species development.

Sort of jealous mockery based upon resentment.

Things occurred as they did, do as they do and will develop as they will.

Epistemological.

That's one of your favourites.

Factuality maybe limited.

Though the definition of knowledge is quite broad.

One was simply relating personal behaviour to the situation.

Without any depth of consideration I have always assumed that you were human.

Foolish perhaps?

Well.

Stitching on?

Or cutting of and making an incision?

Might imply Eve first, and then GODDO (she perhaps,  being  the seamster that they obviously were) took Eves rib and sewed on one of her six toes (removing the opposite  to provide balance and uniformity).

Would also explain the big feet big whotsit adage.

So just be thankful that your Mum wore size 9's.

How did they attach the leaves before velcro?

Resin perhaps.

Sticky pubes as it were.

Democratic Republics are best.

And democracy is a homo-sapiens endeavour.

As is shooting people.

As is having sex with hot girls and vice versa.....Let's not be discriminatory.

So let's also include everyone else who thinks that they don't fit the old gender stereotypes.

You know, the ones whose sexual  identity is actually defined by  the gametes  they produce.

But hey I digress.

Said the Wolf to the sheep.

Knowing full well that the sheep possessed neither the knowledge nor the dexterity.

To either make or discharge a gun.

Clever Wolf.

Who came first J or M.

Therefore in terms of importance and seniority J is obviously more important than M.

Stands to reason.

As it also stands to reason that books written by men are just that.

Though people have a tendency to think and output relative to conditioning.

So one would expect Mr Muslim to contradict Mr Christian and vice versa.

And Mr Atheist thinks that Mr Muslim and Mr Christian are both a bit bonkers.

@Deb.

And GODDO said:

If the angle of the dangle = the heat of the beat.

Then the throb of the knob is constant.

@22

What about the the vagina bits.

Not to mention all the endocrinal differences.

And the propensity for doing the laundry.

@Poly.

Socio-psychological conditioning and species development is.

And gametes are.

And everything is real and natural within a Universal context.

#36

Everyone is inwardly racist.

As in making discriminatory decisions based upon perceivable differences.

Output relative to said decisions is what one should consider.

And output can be deplorable.

Or output can be pleasant and accommodating.

Though this is based upon two way trade off of internal consideration.

The old white man always bad, back man always victim is a good few hundred years out of date now.

And was never true anyway.

And history was what history did.

Never to be revisited or altered.

Perhaps Florida has more criminals per capita.

Maybe the whole vibe relative to time zone, oceanography, topography, culture etc....Makes Californian dudes a whole lot cooler than their Floridian counterparts.

Maybe one shouldn't read too much into statistics.

Statistics are as statistics do, as the saying goes.

I was suggesting that the process and outcome was probably involuntary.

Therefore you did "that" without consideration or effort.

Though I'm less than certain of the veracity of the comment.

And more inclined towards Athian resonance.

The synchronous vibration of a neighbouring object, as it were.

Whereby the resultant effect is cynical.

Ongoing belief in a hypothesis, where the is no attempt to verify the hypothesis is worthless.

So verify the hypothesis and show me a GOD.

Though the variability of words and language does allow us to attribute a secondary value to the contentment found in conditioned data.

Nonetheless the discussion here is specifically about the belief in a hypothetical deity. Rather than the contentment found therein.

For sure we can broaden the parameters of any discussion to take anything into account.

You are proof that theistic hypotheses are.

Proof enough for me any way.

See above.

Are you an echo?

But you don't know for sure.

Therefore it is not a fact.

Though as I suggested a certain amount of common sense can be applied in certain circumstances.

If I was to say that I was in fact GOD, would you believe me?......Probably not.

The odds on me being human are pretty high.

I would therefore further suggest that actually and without consideration, you accept that I am human, rather than actually invoking the necessity of belief.

Hey.

What is normal?

Are you normal? 

Or relative to every one else are you a whack job?

Or do you mean why doesn't everyone agree with you all of the time?

I would suggest that the basis of a discussion and debate website is a difference of opinion.

I would also suggest that a discussion and debate website will attract a certain clientele.

Including you.

Enjoy or go elsewhere.

Because we all do, all of the time.

It's the basis of a system of communication.

Verified by a collective agreement in relation to factual knowledge.

Belief is an imaginative hypothesis not founded on the basis of factual knowledge.

Nonetheless, it is a fact that theistic hypotheses are.

Such is lexicon.

People say stuff.

Other people do stuff and tend not to say what they do.

Belief and fact are antonyms.

Fact is verified data, belief is unverified data.

A fact is not dependant upon belief.

All within the limits of certainty relative to our own physiological limitations of understanding.

Notwithstanding the variability of language and interpretation thereof.

So in my opinion only. 

My wife has been my ideal woman for 38 years now.

She doesn't wear make up, she isn't disfigured with extensive tattoos and piercings, she looks after herself and has a responsible attitude towards diet. She is intelligent and caring.

After that my two daughters are also my ideal women, modern versions of the above.

I would suggest that there is pretty and then there is pretty ridiculous....Which is more the point I was making.

But I'm an old geezer.

Notwithstanding that it is very difficult to pin a singular word down. (Belief)

Once we start compounding words or suffixing and prefixing or both or all three, we stand no chance.

Logical necessity.....Logic clearly varies between individuals, so individually logic is necessary but collectively logic is unnecessary as it cannot be pinned down.

Though everything including variable logic might be an evolutionary necessity, therefore logical.

We create sounds and symbols and apply them to variable data sequences....Never in quite the same way.

Explicit definitions are thin on the ground.

At some point one has to conclude that there is such a thing as common sense.

Though common sense is obviously a variable concept in itself.

So perhaps it's best to accept then, that it is impossible to be even reasonably certain of anything.

As for belief....How you wish to interpret it, is your choice...Semantics.

My interpretation is simple.....Acceptance without fact.

So based upon previous knowledge, one might suggest that they believe the 47 bus will arrive in approximately 10 minutes. But one has no way of knowing the 47 bus will actually arrive, until the bus arrives.

Same applies to the GOD bus.

Though, previous evidence for the GOD bus is hypothetical, whereas the 47  bus that one caught at the same time yesterday was as reasonably factual as it was possible to get.

Oh...And I keeping asking you to show me GOD.

So show me GOD and I will add it to my list of certainties.

Until then, belief is worthless.

The U.S.A. is founded on immigrants.

It's just that the ones who are already there have become a tad selfish.

Reason is not necessarily logical.

And logic is not necessarily reasonable.

Does that mean alrighty I will try it with the sound off.

Begorrah.

See above.

Nonetheless:

As far as this independently functioning, intellectual unit is concerned.

There is no actually existent, externally perceivable GOD.

I do not need to believe this, because I know this.

What anyone else cares to think is up to them.

Of course, show me one and I will  amend my database.

Well, we created words that attempted to define stuff and we also developed semantics.

Whereby nothing quite means what it says and definition becomes imprecise and contradictory.

So: 

1. Is there an actually existent GOD......Externally perceivable.......No.

2. Is there an existent GOD......Relative to internal  process....Imagination......Yes.

And relative to inflection within a context , yes can mean no and no can mean yes.

It's win win, never win, as far as words go, especially where an outcome is unattainable.

Definitive evidence without belief is definitive evidence....So defines a fact rather than a hypothesis.

I don't believe facts, I accept them.

Show me an actually existent GOD.

Imagination.....Internal data processing for sure.

Exactly...Internal data processing, different outcomes.

Well "public" is a very general word....Whereas religion is somewhat more sectarian....Hence there are different groupings teaching different things.

Hence not every one believes in imaginary deities, or the same imaginary deity.

But yes, I was saying that the formative conditioning of children is brainwashing.....In my opinion of course.

Is simply a lack of definitive evidence.

If something is factual then belief is irrelevant.

Actually existent GODS are not facts, therefore theists like to substitute factual certainty with imagination....Belief.

Atheists do not benefit from interpreting data in quite the same way.

Data in, data assessment, data storage and maybe data output.

The consolidation of theistic style data or atheistic style data, is usually relative to the formative conditioning of children.

Refer to it as education or refer to it as brainwashing. You choose.

@Poly.

Religion is pseudo-science.

Seeking answers to an unanswerable question.

Based upon a supernatural hypothesis.

Of course, religion also developed into a method of social control.

Two explanations that I wasn't afraid to put forward.

Floaty about blokes, not rational.

Nothing cowardly about common sense.

Nonetheless:

In the tale,  the Joe character doesn't come across as the alpha male.

Most real  blokes would have had the missus stoned to death.

Which would suggest, either that the sprog was actually Joe's, and he and Mary were spinning an elaborate yarn.

Or, that Joe was in fact intellectually deadbeat and hadn't got a clue, and would fall for any old nonsense.

I wonder what Jesus did on his fifth birthday.

For sure.

Yep.

Plum crumble and custard.

Yum Yum.

Undoubtedly.

Interestingly in the club I ride with, though the gender mix is probably as you stated, the younger newer members are all female. Very few younger males take up the sport. It seems to be something that 30+ males get in to. I would say that the average age of the male club rider is probably 40/45. Whereas the average age of the female club rider is probably 25/30.

We do have a youth section, mostly MTB, where the mix is pretty even. Though one tends to find that a lot lose interest in their late teens. Other things on their minds and other demands upon their time. Even amateur riding demands a considerable amount of commitment and effort.

Walking good also, but like running is harder on the legs as you get older.

Love is what?

Was it ever any more than an internal response to an external stimulus?

Slowly corrupted by the human propensity to overthink.

Surely if  we possessed an actual instinctive love for an unrelated adult, then it would override the developed necessities of career and social success..

Romantic love is baloney really isn't it?

What love attempts to describe are specific internal electro-chemical processes, relative to sensory messaging.

If one and ones prospective partner are astute, then it should easily be possible to combine both a career and a relationship.

It is reasonable to suggest that a worm man might not have arms.

I suppose a lot depends upon the genetics of the chimera.

Dominant arm genes or not, as it were.

It might just be a brownish red, slithery about thing with a human head and brain.

Though for sure, the second amendment is a tad out of date.

Unfortunately/fortunately for America. everyone is heavily armed.

It's a MAD world.

As I see it, a pig would be aware of what was happening.

But rape is an intellectual concept.

Overthink as it were.

Very much a human specialism.

Sort of the reason why pigs never split the atom.

And why we stopped frying humans for breakfast.

And some have taken the overthink of nutrition and ethics to a higher level, and also stopped frying bacon for breakfast.

What they will do when they  feel the urge to take into consideration the concept and ethics of plant abuse, I don't know.

Though I suppose that the extraction of nutrients from decaying matter is a viable option.

Is it ethical for a vegan/veggie to wait around for animals to drop dead from natural causes?

And what about road kill?  Must be one heck of a dilemma for driving, vegan/veggie, ethical overthinkers.

Sort of rambling but all sort of relative.

As I always say.

Gotta be somewhere doing something.

When I was younger I also used to work from dawn to dusk most days, doing similar stuff, day job/s and everything else required of a father of two. 

And still find time and energy to fit in either MTB or road cycling.

I'm modernising my current property, but much more slowly this time. Mostly cosmetic changes and interior alterations.

Cottage also needs re-slating, but I will get a contractor in to do that. Don't have the time or energy for big jobs like that now.

Road cycling still very important for mind and body though.

And not forgetting the wonderfully supportive Mrs Zed.

Keep up the good work ebuc.

We will get there in the end.

Yep.

I agreed......Voluntary controlled reduction, is super best option.

Though getting 8 billion people to run with common sense has always been a tall order. Hasn't it ebuc?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving, only 77years after nuclear devastation....Not really long term even. Is it ebuc?

As I said, just short term scary.

Was or wasn't corona virus a product of manipulated nature....Sort of semi-optional?.....Not sure about this one. What about you ebuc?

Contraception good.

Keeping people alive well into senility and decrepitude bad....Do you agree ebuc?

Went and visited Gran today, she sat in her chair staring into space and wet herself.......Bless her.

Well researched.