zedvictor4

The Quran is.

As the Christian  Bible is.

And books are written by men.

You have been taught/conditioned to think in a particular way, just as I have.

And neither of us has any idea why the Universe exists.

Nonetheless, the Universe is far greater and older than a collection of 2000 year old Middle Eastern Folk Tales.

Says who.

You or GOD.

And  circular is, but isn't always perfect. Though a perfect circle is measurably perfect.

This was a brief, subjective appraisal of the concept of circularity.

And good is as subjective as bad is.

So a Maximally Great Being might not agree with you.

It's interesting that humans assume to know what's best for GODDO.

Which I would suggest, is actually a truism.

Well done you and well done Mrs Sadolite. (Assumption)

So if you have older offspring then you will understand what I mean.

Zed's interpretation of things. In no particular order

Allah never said anything though.

His words were all made up by men.

Allah, GOD, GOD, Allah....The same basic naive hypothesis...Different club though.

Supposedly started by a man called Abraham, who had a bit of a turn up a mountain. (Altitude sickness).

Nonetheless, GOD principle sound....But just not floaty about blokes that exist in magical fantasy lands.

The Adam Tale  was also made up by men, and in fairness could be said to be  based upon a sort of naive interpretation of the creation and evolution of matter.

Though whether this was the intention is impossible to say.

Drop of fluid...Yep, has obvious connotations....A naive understanding/interpretation of sexual reproduction maybe.

And wine is the fermented juice of grapes, whereby sugars are turned to alcohol.

And I know  Muslims that consume alcohol....So not so forbidden.

The first Muslim was the first man to come up with the word Muslim.

The same applies to every other invented religion and it's invented title.

Pharaoh.....Which Pharaoh.

Pharaohic religion pre-dates Abrahamic stuff....So earlier naive hypotheses also created by men.

And people often drown and their bodies are often recovered.

2. There are so many contradictions in your non-contradictory appraisal of point 2....It's bordering on the comedic.

You and Tradesecret should have a religious interpretation battle. 

And if you teach your kids non-sense, they will grow up thinking that non-sense is fact.

Sometimes referred to as formative conditioning.

And as such religion is used as a method of social control.

 

And no one has ever met a GOD.

Either before or after Abraham had his hallucination.

Muhammed, Jesus, Adolph Hitler to name but three charismatic men who sought to control the lives of others....Same old, same old Vladimir.

 

And I was saying that although they seemingly pay no attention to what you say, they actually do.

And you will realise this in a few years time.

I know this from first hand experience.

What is it that you don't understand?

Deadbeat dad is your character.

I'm just saying that deadbeat dad is more likely to have unprotected sex with deadbeat mum, than he is with clever mum.

Simply logic.

Intelligence is,

And all data functions thereof are.

Levels of,

Human intelligence commensurate with,

An individuals ability to acquire,

Store, modify and output data.

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So what is it about shin that you find so alluring?

You might think that adolescents are ignorant and disrespectful.

But you will eventually see that they were actually paying attention.

So what you strive to say and do now, is important and will not be in vain.

In ten years time he will probably be drooling over the latest bit of techno machinery.

Maybe GOD thinks that blokes in frocks are horny.

After all, who decides what is perfect.

Us or GOD.

Propose a legal/law enforcement debate and someone will debate you, should they wish to do so.

Category is largely irrelevant.

Categorising is for those that enjoy categorising.

Miscellaneous will do.

Religious textbooks were/are compilations of human naivety.

It is therefore no wonder that there are apparent contradictions to be found within.

And human data manipulation/thought processing is the result of previous influences.

And therefore unlikely to be logically pure.

And it's highly likely that Mr Rayhan16 will be able to suitably reinterpret archaic illogic.

People have been doing it for centuries.

But nonetheless they have never been able to prove the past or present existence of a GOD.

Same old, same old.

Good job Hegel wasn't trying to be clever.

We perceive or not.

There is or there isn't.

There wasn't and there was,

Maybe.

Deadbeat Dad as you refer to him (basic gender type)...Will have copulated with deadbeat Mum (basic gender type).

In so much as consenting to unprotected sexual intercourse with Deadbeat Dad, is not particularly clever is it?

Clever Mum would be straight down the pharmacy for a morning after jobbie.

Though it's unlikely that Clever Mum would have consented to unprotected sex with Deadbeat Dad in the first place.

Or maybe the World that you inhabit is somewhat more deadbeat than my World.

Where clever women (basic gender type) cruise the streets looking for a bit of unprotected deadbeat excitement.

Encoded exponential deterioration as it were.....I guessed something like that.

And for sure. Russia is a nominal reference to a conglomeration of various old Euro-Asian tribes.

As is much of Europe.

I doubt that many if any modern Nation States can claim to have a purity of ancestry.

Certainly not Magyarorszag.

Notwithstanding the human animal.

Does any other animal intellectually consent or not consent to sex?

Or do they just do it, because the are functionally compelled to do it?

Would a pig being fucked by a human, actually consider that "rape" was taking place?

It's always interesting how we apply human conceptual  standards to the behaviour of other animals.

By not reading it.

Or in the first instance, don't respond and concentrate your thoughts on another topic.

If you choose to read, engage and be offended, that is not the fault of the other person.

To me that is simply an example of comparative  strengths of character.

Not sure what a state of mental dissonance is.

Perfection is a variable  concept relative to varying human expectation.

A GOD might see things differently.

As might someone else.

SO what would be your perfect GOD.

Presumably one that didn't create a Universe.

And therefore no DebateAllDaTings.

Perhaps GOD got bored and lonely.

Are boredom and loneliness imperfections?

If you had ignored the contents, you wouldn't have known them either.

I expect that descendants of the Huns live all over the place.

There are probably quite a few in the U.S.

So why do we deteriorate and die if we are constantly replacing ourselves?

Or are you saying that we replace worn out cells with even more worn out cells?

I'm even older as fuk.

By him a bicycle and a book.

His head is probably already glued to an electronic device enough as it is.

Nothing and something are not opposites.

In terms of human perception, nothing is a concept and something is a tangible reality.

I assume that what you are questioning, is where does matter come from.

Victims have a tendency to enjoy victimisation.

PM's are such that you have complete control, whereby you have the absolute power to decide whether to respond or ignore.

The fact that you have chosen to respond and then subsequently assume victimisation, is totally down to you.

Well, being a brit means that I don't understand your concept of poopy head.

Nonetheless, what is the better alternative to a majority decision, every four years?

So hypothetically, you somehow manage to peaceably divide the U.S into two Nations, the Blue and the Red......And then what.

Do you think that all the Reds will sort of always instinctively and telepathically agree, without the need for government.

Nope.

You will either, end up with a one party Red State administered by tyrants.

Or perhaps a two party Redish State, with the Scarlets and the Clarets say.

And if you side with the Scarlets and the Clarets win with an 51% majority.....Then what.

And Poly is an expert.

Well, an expert with the "F" word.

For me, death is the end of life and the breaking down of matter into it's component parts.

Though nothing wrong with assuming otherwise.

Evolved intellect, mental ability and imagination, is such that we can assume otherwise.

And I like you and Poly, actually have no idea if any aspect of our physiology persists after death, other than it's basic components.

Components that are the basic structure of all matter.

Yep, I'm well old enough to remember Bob Hope.

And nurtured nature , simply is another way of saying species evolution with particular regard to the evolution of mentality and intellect.

And for sure, the species soon learned that sex was fun and that temporary  sexual satisfaction could be achieved in all sorts of ways.

We agree then.

Good.

Thanks.

Better than 98 cents worth of nonsense.

#10 So what does any of that mean?

And having a certain appearance and heritage doesn't make you any more an expert.

Perhaps just makes you biased.

Within a democracy, an election and it's outcome is a collective decision based on all votes cast.

The other option, is do as you are told or else.

I know which I prefer.

As I said, gender fiction can be anything that one can imagine.

So I agree that psychologically anything is possible.

One can be a hermaphrodite turnip from Mars if one want's to be.

Democracy is a concept relative to human behaviour and the evolution of social systems.

How a State functions is relative to historical development and the development of a national psyche.

Pakistan is based upon a psyche moulded by historical tribalism, class, and oppression but also still somewhat affected by British colonialism and pre partition Indian rationalism.

A sort of crazy mixed up kid of a Nation.

And the U.S. Mr Parrot is thankfully still a moderate democracy founded upon moderate European values.

What exactly is a bright future?

And would all Pakistani citizens benefit from the bright future that you envisage?

As Islamic Monarchies and Communism are just Tyranny dressed up as one persons bright future.

Communism is simply a philosophical daydream.

And Monarchy is founded on elitism and class suppression.

Bright for a few, but dark and gloomy for most.

Corruption and lust for power.

Reminds me of an Orange Guy.

I'm  thinking that neither of you remotely understands Pakistan.

You're just pandering to  your fears of Islam......Which are based upon U.S. media propaganda.

Religion is in fact very quiet at the moment.

Gender, guns and politics are currently the hot topics.

And history and conspiracy theories are way off the boil.

Welcome back.

Now where's Bro D?

For sure.

I'm not the lexicographer who is in a position to manipulate language.

Nor am I the lobbyist who demands that language is manipulated.

Nonetheless language is manipulated.

And the male produces male gametes and the female produces female gametes....End of the true story.

Gender fiction can be anything one cares to imagine.

Well:

I do take an interest and I do read.

But:

All theories start after an assumed beginning. (Obviously)

I'm questioning what was before a beginning and why did a beginning occur.

Or to put it another simplistic way:

The average human is aware of stuff.

How can stuff be?

As far as I'm aware, creation theories do not address this issue.

It's just accepted that stuff exists and that it was somehow created. (From nothing)

If you were sitting watching T.V. and a hippopotamus suddenly appeared from nowhere in a puff of smoke.

Wouldn't you be slightly perplexed?

All of your above reply, however meaningful, is nonetheless post creation theory.

You're referring to inherent function.

Fairness is neither here nor there.

In the context of species reproduction, fairness is a pointless concept.

The female of the species bears children and the male doesn't.

Well currently.

Maybe factory farming and selective breeding will be the long term solution to female woes and societal ills.

So explain then.

Otherwise your reply is just an unqualified and meaningless statement.

Homosexuality is an evolved socio-psychological condition, relative to procreational satisfaction within a recreational format.

So not so much a disorder, but rather an evolved condition.

So sort of a nurtured nature.

Excellent idea.

The American people voted for these guys.

So the buck stops with the American people.

Funny how every President becomes a bad decision.

Perhaps you expect miracles.

It was all just people doing stuff at the time, relative to intellectual and social evolution.

Trouble is Doc.....We read too much into it.

As the Bishop said to the alter boy.

Sounds like the degenerate shitshow that is the Roman Catholic Church.

Speak for yourself.

Other than briefly within this forum, usually between approximately 7am and 8am........I never give zygotes a second thought.

Though the outcome of zygotes will obviously impact upon my life later when I go and harvest my beans and courgettes. 

Of course.

But this makes no difference in terms of evolved intelligence and associated questions.

And one can also directly relate these principles to any and all GOD concepts.

And you have never explained the existence of matter...No one ever has.

The existence and state of sub-atomic particles is maybe what it is thought to be.

But this doesn't explain a beginning.

In terms of thought processing, it is just as easy to imagine empty space as it is to imagine occupied space.

Gender is a hijacked word.

Formally meaning one of two sexes...Male and Female.

Now meaning anything one can conceive of relative to a persons sexual fulfilment....Relative to ongoing socio-psychological conditioning.

And anything you condition a 5 year old to accept as true, a 5 year old will inevitably grow up believing so.

So tell them that one mummy is both daddy and mummy, and the other mummy is also mummy, then that is what they will become conditioned to accept.

And if a liberal society enforces such information then this is what you will end up with.

Though, one still cant hide from the fact that the butch one with the cropped hair,  tattoos and boxer shorts is unable to produce male gametes.

Material evolution seemingly necessitates mechanics.

And within that evolutionary process, human mechanics and intellect developed, and human mechanics and evolved intellect developed non-human mechanics and programmable intelligence.

One would suggest, that it is inevitable that one day non-human intelligence will self replicate without human input.

All that  this goes to prove, is that if there were no guns there would be no gun deaths.

The question is, how many gun deaths per annum are you prepared to tolerate.

The current U.S. situation is based upon the acceptance of a tolerable rate of gun death per capita per annum.

The conclusion of which is that gun ownership is more important that a few dead kids.

A few dead kids simply becoming nothing more than a sporadic a media sensation.

And you stop even remembering your drive home.

This is dementia.

Might explain a lot of things.

Best you see a Doctor.