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@TheUnderdog
Let's say there are two Siamese twins.
Sounds logical to me.

Maybe even a tad obvious.



Let's say.
Let's say that foetuses are alien parasites from the planet deadbeat.

That's the beauty of hypothesis.


Though it could reasonably be argued, that as a foetus does not share the  DNA of the host mother, then technically it is an alien parasite.

Therefore the mother should have the right to choose whether or not her body can be used to nurture an alien invader.
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Conservative hypocrisy.
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@Greyparrot
America is a Nation founded upon illegal invaders.

The Irish for instance.
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xenophobes?
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@sadolite
American culture, traditions and heritage.

Are largely based upon someone else's  culture, tradition and heritage.

You haven't been around long enough to have formed  a unique culture, traditions and heritage.

Well, there's school shootings I suppose.
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xenophobes?
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@TheUnderdog
And  convert the Pope to  Islam whilst you're at it.
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Abortion and how I form my abortion stance
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@TheUnderdog
I didn't say you were deadbeat. But you created the deadbeat dad character who goes around creating zygotes.

And I'm pretty sure that I didn't instigated the virgins thing.

Nonetheless, one doesn't need to be a smoker to know that smoking is addictive and detrimental.
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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
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@sadolite
Anarchy or Police State would suck even more wouldn't it?

What's the better alternative to an elected temporary government?
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Putin's price relief.
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@Greyparrot
And if you are a Trumpmangood retard anything can be the narrative.
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Skeptical Theism
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@Solaris1
A GOD might not be bothered one way or the other.


Considering that a GOD is supposed to be an omni-bod.

It's funny how people arrogantly assume know what might or might not, or should or should not, concern it.
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@Poly.


A homophonic Zedku for Poly.


Down the road she rode.

To see the sea for four minutes.

She said aloud it is allowed.

And the sea was blue and the wind blew.

And would the wood be a piece of peace.

What a scene to be seen

Where the bear lay bare 

Up to it's waist in waste.
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@sadolite
For sure....All data output is subjective.

And I don't really have a political agenda, though I have concerns and views relative to my established data base which I enjoy discussing.

One of the roles of government is to push forwards ideas for change, and the basic format of the U.S. system dictates that the U.S. people select a government every 4 years and from thereon in the government gets on with things.....Like it or not.

Perhaps you think that a Putinesque approach would be better....Only any good though, if they represent all of your views and concerns.

And right and wrong are only relative to subjective points of view, though on certain issues there is often a collective agreement....But never complete agreement.

And finally....Your views and concerns are as valid as mine are, and also  as valid as GnosticChristians are.....It's just that we don't always agree.
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Do grades determine your intelligence?
I'm sorry but alluring about what i didn't really understand the question that you asked me ?
Requires punctuation.

Are you sorry but alluring?


Or do you mean:

I'm sorry, but alluring about what?  I didn't really understand the question that you asked me.


If so, then I was asking why do you love shin.


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The Jews invented Christianity
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@Dr.Franklin
Yep.

People lie also.
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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
So says another person with a biased or opposing agenda.


And everyone discriminates, based upon a cause....It's the nature of data processing.


So, rationally moral or rationally immoral....You choose.


And I agree, recreational sex was normalized, the first time it occurred.


What sadolite is clearly referring to is social normalisation in terms of acceptance, relative to ongoing changes in assumed morality.....Though clearly not a whole collective agreement...As ever there are avid Pro's (you), avid Con's (sadolite) and the not bothered such as my self.....Birth, life, death...Life's too short to fret about what two men do with their penises and orifices.  


Data in, data assessment, data modification, data out......7.9 billion differing versions......And no one is right and no one is wrong.....Though if you think that there is a GOD, you could try and find it and ask it for a definitive answer.


Regards.

Zed.
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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Homophobe is a term made up as an insult.

But in terms of terminology, homophobe is wholly  inaccurate.

A compound of an abbreviation and a suffix.

Such is disregard for the accuracy of language.

Homophobia should mean:

An irrational fear of man.

The term homo as an abbreviation of homosexual, wasn't adopted until the 20th century.

Nonetheless:

It is very unlikely that any ideological opponent of homosexuality, actually has an irrational fear of homosexuals.


If  someone is ideologically opposed to eating meat, does that make them a carnivorophobe?

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@Ramshutu
A Zedku for Ramshutu.


Everything is thought.

Which imagines an infinite quantity.

Therefore,

One can also imagine 

.1

The missing tenth.

Nonetheless,

If the missing tenth is not worthy of consideration.

Is it OK if I have it.


















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@Dr.Franklin
Stuff happens Doc

Availability and demand.


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Let's have a discussion on the virgin birth
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@rosends
As you can tell, I'm somewhat techno deficient.

And for sure, as a species we felt/feel the need to develop ritualism.

Head gear is certainly one option.

And of course, genital mutilation is another.


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@Stephen
Well when all was said and done he was the top Bod.

Does he get a mention in the Bible?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Nope.

I suggested that socio-psychological trends evolve over time.....Which I referred to as nurtured nature. (See how you deliberately misconstrued my comment)


Though given the right conditions a child could be conditioned to accept anything as normality. (Why would we?......Good question....Why do some societies deliberately indoctrinate kids with religious non-sense? )


Recreational sex is simply based upon procreational sex drive. The end result of which is temporary satisfaction rather than conception.

And these days old social ethics and morality has less influence on how humans  achieve either outcome.

As a species we have slowly modified data transfer between generations. Removing the necessity for the old baggage of same sex marriage at 21 and 2.4 kids.

Now we have the concept of "gayness"....Which as it ever was, is simply one way of achieving sexual satisfaction.

Settling down with ones same sex partner in a nice house with a pedigree pooch and enjoying a vegan diet cooked in ones designer kitchen, is just a parody of old style social expectations.

And let's be clear....I'm not the slightest bit interested in what other people get up to as long as they do it peaceably.

I'm simply interested in being able to  discuss things as I see them.
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@Ramshutu
For sure.
 

The magic of X.


Still doesn't alter the fact that 0.999r will never achieve a whole.


Nonetheless another way of looking at it is:

X = .999r

ergo .999r =.999r

Multiply both sides by 1

.999r = .999r (Not sure where you got 9.99r from)

If you subtract X from both sides (Given that the value of X is .999r)

We are left with 

0 = 0
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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
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@badger
Romance is a nice fluffy concept, that ultimately boils down to procreational sex drive.

We like to think that we are more than a pre-programmed animal.
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@rosends
Absolutely fine.

How do you come by Hebrew and Aramaic letter symbols.
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Putin's price relief.
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@Greyparrot
It's no good having Oil and Gas and not being able to sell it.

What a dilemma for a paranoid megalomaniac.

And what a dilemma for a species still dependant upon fossil fuels.
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Can something come from nothing?
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@Double_R
The question is very simple.

Can something come from nothing.

And the range of over complicated and misleading responses, clearly indicates that no one has a clue.

Though misleading over complicated responses and cluelessness is what one would have expected.


There was either:

Nothing and then Something.

Or:

Always Something.


Neither makes perfect sense.

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Abortion and how I form my abortion stance
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@Novice_II
Born children, unborn children....You are far from consistent and have a confusing way of switching between hypotheticals.

And a zygote could be any zygote, so why go on about zygotes.


And if you had paid attention previously, you might have understood my contention with the word belief.

However:

Belief is based upon supposition, so is therefore factually worthless.

Whereas factual certainty is such that belief is unnecessary.

So to say that I believed an advocate was obsessed, would also have been factually worthless.

Belief is a word that is used to conveniently prop up non-sense and uncertainty.


The obvious observation to be made from your verbosity, is that you are not actually interested in the issues in question.

I would suggest that sounding clever, is your primary game.


So, another question for you to ignore.

What is your stance on the issue of surgically induced, human embryonic/foetal abortion?
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@rosends
More accurately it's three symbols which are not available on my key board.

Malik comes up, along with melech and other westernised derivatives.

Do you get my point though.

We have confusion over one word, so is it likely that Western interpretations of ancient Middle Eastern texts will be accurate.
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@Novice_II
Belief is a logical contradiction.

And as I don't believe it was not possible to say either yes or no.

If you had asked, is someone who advocates obsessed.....Then the best answer that I could have given would have been perhaps not but one never knows.

As a  hypothetical advocate could be hypothetically anything.

And your descent into abusive chaos is a shame.


So:

Can you put born children, zygotes, deadbeat dads and hypothetical advocates into some sort of logical context?
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@Stephen
So what did Tiberius have to say.
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@Pat_Johnson
King.

Not really a two thousand year old Hebrew or Latin word.

Sort of a typically later, Middle European reinterpretation of hearsay.

Same as most of the Modern Bible.


Hebrew. Malik

Latin. Regem.
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@Novice_II
Yep. 

Everything you need to know is there.

A. I don't believe what I don't know.

B. True Advocacy is nothing to do with obsession.

C. And child abuse has nothing to do with someone who keeps going on about fused gametes.


Two people enjoy unprotected recreational sex and gametes fuse.

What's your beef?
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What is a man or woman?
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@iloveshin
So is a duckling that identifies as a dog (not as silly as it might sound), a duck or a dog?

Well, it's still a duck, that has become psychologically associated with a dog.

Just as a man might  psychologically associate with femininity, and and a woman might associate with masculinity....Still doesn't mean that in terms of physical definition, a man is not a man and a woman is not a woman.

So we can say and do anything we choose to, but this does not alter the basic reality of gender....Male sperm producer, female egg producer.

Unless you cut his bollocks off, or remove her ovaries and render them both sterile.

Which won't stop people fiddling for fun with each others bits and bobs....Which is what it all really boils down to.....The application of sexuality, within a sexually repressed society.
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@rayhan16
There are usually miracles and prophecies in such mythology. Islam is not unique in this respect.

And what else has developed the practice of composing  symbolic narratives, that contain such concepts.

Before you can actually attribute such abilities to a supernatural character, you must firstly prove the existence of the supernatural character.

And if you open you mind to the reality of creation and material development, you would understand that deistic religions occurred billions of years after the event, relative to the comparatively recent development of human intellect.

But those who are 'deaf dumb and blind' do not want to listen.
A typically silly piece of emotive but insulting rhetoric.

Dumb and blind people are very keen to listen...As deaf  and dumb people are very keen to see....As blind and deaf people are very keen to communicate.

Perhaps it is you that has  been deafened, dumbed and blinded by the oppression of enforced ideology....So much so that you refuse to even look at the bigger picture, lest you incur the wrath of your ideological oppressor. 


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@Novice_II
Not sure of your point.


Though I don't believe anything that cannot be proven.

And if something is proven, then one doesn't need to believe it.


We all advocate relative to our conditioned sensibilities, which is not quite the same as harping on about zygotes.

I advocate against abuse in general.

I also advocate for population control, which would include a sensible approach to recreational sex.

Unfortunately though the world is apparently awash with deadbeat dads and mums, who just can't control their propensity for gamete fusion.


To coin a phrase....It takes two to tango.

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@rayhan16
The Quran is.

As the Christian  Bible is.

And books are written by men.


You have been taught/conditioned to think in a particular way, just as I have.

And neither of us has any idea why the Universe exists.


Nonetheless, the Universe is far greater and older than a collection of 2000 year old Middle Eastern Folk Tales.
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@DebateAllDaTings
Says who.

You or GOD.


And  circular is, but isn't always perfect. Though a perfect circle is measurably perfect.

This was a brief, subjective appraisal of the concept of circularity.


And good is as subjective as bad is.

So a Maximally Great Being might not agree with you.


It's interesting that humans assume to know what's best for GODDO.

Which I would suggest, is actually a truism.
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I am old as fuk
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@sadolite
Well done you and well done Mrs Sadolite. (Assumption)

So if you have older offspring then you will understand what I mean.
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@rayhan16
Zed's interpretation of things. In no particular order


Allah never said anything though.

His words were all made up by men.


Allah, GOD, GOD, Allah....The same basic naive hypothesis...Different club though.

Supposedly started by a man called Abraham, who had a bit of a turn up a mountain. (Altitude sickness).

Nonetheless, GOD principle sound....But just not floaty about blokes that exist in magical fantasy lands.


The Adam Tale  was also made up by men, and in fairness could be said to be  based upon a sort of naive interpretation of the creation and evolution of matter.

Though whether this was the intention is impossible to say.

Drop of fluid...Yep, has obvious connotations....A naive understanding/interpretation of sexual reproduction maybe.


And wine is the fermented juice of grapes, whereby sugars are turned to alcohol.

And I know  Muslims that consume alcohol....So not so forbidden.


The first Muslim was the first man to come up with the word Muslim.

The same applies to every other invented religion and it's invented title.


Pharaoh.....Which Pharaoh.

Pharaohic religion pre-dates Abrahamic stuff....So earlier naive hypotheses also created by men.

And people often drown and their bodies are often recovered.


2. There are so many contradictions in your non-contradictory appraisal of point 2....It's bordering on the comedic.


You and Tradesecret should have a religious interpretation battle. 


And if you teach your kids non-sense, they will grow up thinking that non-sense is fact.

Sometimes referred to as formative conditioning.

And as such religion is used as a method of social control.
 

And no one has ever met a GOD.

Either before or after Abraham had his hallucination.


Muhammed, Jesus, Adolph Hitler to name but three charismatic men who sought to control the lives of others....Same old, same old Vladimir.


 
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@sadolite
And I was saying that although they seemingly pay no attention to what you say, they actually do.

And you will realise this in a few years time.

I know this from first hand experience.
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@TheUnderdog
What is it that you don't understand?

Deadbeat dad is your character.

I'm just saying that deadbeat dad is more likely to have unprotected sex with deadbeat mum, than he is with clever mum.

Simply logic.


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Do grades determine your intelligence?
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@iloveshin
A Zedku for iloveshin


Intelligence is,

And all data functions thereof are.

Levels of,

Human intelligence commensurate with,

An individuals ability to acquire,

Store, modify and output data.

___________________________


So what is it about shin that you find so alluring?
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@sadolite
You might think that adolescents are ignorant and disrespectful.

But you will eventually see that they were actually paying attention.

So what you strive to say and do now, is important and will not be in vain.


In ten years time he will probably be drooling over the latest bit of techno machinery.
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@FLRW
Maybe GOD thinks that blokes in frocks are horny.

After all, who decides what is perfect.

Us or GOD.
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Why is there no legal/law or law enforcement category in the debate options?
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@TWS1405
Propose a legal/law enforcement debate and someone will debate you, should they wish to do so.

Category is largely irrelevant.

Categorising is for those that enjoy categorising.

Miscellaneous will do.
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@TheUnderdog
Religious textbooks were/are compilations of human naivety.

It is therefore no wonder that there are apparent contradictions to be found within.


And human data manipulation/thought processing is the result of previous influences.

And therefore unlikely to be logically pure.


And it's highly likely that Mr Rayhan16 will be able to suitably reinterpret archaic illogic.

People have been doing it for centuries.

But nonetheless they have never been able to prove the past or present existence of a GOD.


Same old, same old.



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@rbelivb
Hegel's Logic.
Good job Hegel wasn't trying to be clever.


Zedku Logic for rbelivb.

We perceive or not.

There is or there isn't.

There wasn't and there was,

Maybe.
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@TheUnderdog
Deadbeat Dad as you refer to him (basic gender type)...Will have copulated with deadbeat Mum (basic gender type).

In so much as consenting to unprotected sexual intercourse with Deadbeat Dad, is not particularly clever is it?

Clever Mum would be straight down the pharmacy for a morning after jobbie.

Though it's unlikely that Clever Mum would have consented to unprotected sex with Deadbeat Dad in the first place.

Or maybe the World that you inhabit is somewhat more deadbeat than my World.

Where clever women (basic gender type) cruise the streets looking for a bit of unprotected deadbeat excitement.
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@Intelligence_06
Encoded exponential deterioration as it were.....I guessed something like that.

And for sure. Russia is a nominal reference to a conglomeration of various old Euro-Asian tribes.

As is much of Europe.

I doubt that many if any modern Nation States can claim to have a purity of ancestry.

Certainly not Magyarorszag.
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@DebateAllDaTings
Notwithstanding the human animal.

Does any other animal intellectually consent or not consent to sex?

Or do they just do it, because the are functionally compelled to do it?

Would a pig being fucked by a human, actually consider that "rape" was taking place?


It's always interesting how we apply human conceptual  standards to the behaviour of other animals.


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@RationalMadman
By not reading it.

Or in the first instance, don't respond and concentrate your thoughts on another topic.

If you choose to read, engage and be offended, that is not the fault of the other person.

To me that is simply an example of comparative  strengths of character.


Not sure what a state of mental dissonance is.
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@DebateAllDaTings
Perfection is a variable  concept relative to varying human expectation.

A GOD might see things differently.

As might someone else.


SO what would be your perfect GOD.

Presumably one that didn't create a Universe.

And therefore no DebateAllDaTings.


Perhaps GOD got bored and lonely.

Are boredom and loneliness imperfections?
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