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Or Art.

Mount a race car wheel on the wall and dangle dead batteries from it and call it exhaustion.

Some idiot with cash to splash, would pay a fortune for it.

If you batter someone, you batter someone intentionally.

And if battery is a criminal offence and you intentionally batter someone then your intent was criminal.

Logical really.

Though the U.S. legal system doesn't always come across as being logical.

SOOOO.

The instinctive need is to reproduce.

But we soon learned that sexual stimulation was both physically pleasant and mentally rewarding.

And we also learned that there is more than one way to achieve sexual satisfaction.

Worrying about how we and others achieve sexual satisfaction is just an associated hang up, relative to another set of contrived and inherited data.

Stuff like GODS and social morality.

I always think that it's more perverse to continually worry and think about what other people get up to.

And the more moral and righteous someone becomes the more perverse their fascination with other peoples sex lives becomes.

And the more sexually repressed they become, the more perverse they become.

Devout Roman Catholics for example.

Choir Boys a go go, as it were.

World population 7.9 billion and counting, so currently nothing to really worry about.

So stop worrying about all those blokes living together and adopting puppies.

And all those butch women with short hair and trousers.

DINKIES are good for the economy.

All that you need worry about is Mrs Sadolite and the young Sadolites.....(Assumption)

Anything other than cash is a meaningless reward.

People outgrow sticky on stars and smiley faces.

No.

Organised is organised as opposed to not organised.

One could argue that everything has to be organised, or is organised to some degree.

All religions must have been organised to a certain degree.

I think that a better topic for discussion would perhaps be:

In terms of it's organisation, what constitutes a sensible religion.

Of course, the answer would always be the same.

There is no such thing as a sensible religion, despite the complexity or simplicity of it's organisation.

For sure.

And Tradeysecret there, seems to be describing the attributes of the Roman Catholic Church.

And certainly some of the preferable  entry requirements of the modern C of E.

Theists are certainly crazy mixed up folk.

Wouldn't be so bad if they all sang from the same hymn sheet, as it were.

And then there is Poly.

Crazy as ever, and more mixed up than most.

But lovable with it.

I wonder what the Little Poly's are like?

@Poly

Wouldn't work Poly.

Because the least hated who put more into concentration camps, would be equally, if not more hated by those in it's concentration camps.

For example....Do you think that the Nazis were hated less, than those in it's concentration camps?

Or Art.

There is instinctive behaviour,

And then there is acquired behaviour.

And then there is the Egg producer, female.

And the sperm producer, male.

And then there is a conceptually inspired society, that enjoys recreational sex a lot.

And todays societies (not all) have acquired a tendency to regulate child output, and concentrate more on recreational sex.

And people have come to realise that recreational sex does not have limited options.

In fact they realised this a long time ago.

Hang ups, just like everything else are simply transferred and acquired information.

And sexual pleasure is a consequence of evolution.

Just like conservative hypocrisy is a consequence of evolution.

And GAY is a jolly word.

Make the minimum time to post an argument, at least two days.

One day doesn't take into account global time differences.

As all good Jews should know.

The Tetraktys, is an ancient symbol that links Heaven and Earth.

As I'm sure that said trucker, just like the Nazis, was trying to point this out.

The Third Reich's adoption of the Tetraktys, (albeit at a jaunty angle) had a specific meaning and context.

It was in fact the Allies who promoted a negative attitude towards the symbol.

As descendants of the Allies still continue to do.

Vilification of the trashcan, could be regarded as blasphemy against the King of Heaven.....(Purely speculative).

Funny how we get hooked up on symbolism.

@Poly

Nice Jibe Poly.

Sort of Ethang5ish.

But less acerbic.

And like a lot of your fellow theists.

Would you not say, that we are all the children of GODS?

What is your definition of  "Normal People" ?

There are currently,

Approximately 7.9 billion physically similar individuals,

With 7.9 billion different  versions of similar data stored within their organic databases.

I would say that this is about as normal as people are going to get.

Left and Right is just something that interested parties ramble on about from time to time.

In reality, and for most people there is either a tough existence, or a relatively easier existence.

I do not believe anything that cannot be unequivocally proven.

Though, if something can be unequivocally proven, then belief is unnecessary.

So as far as I am concerned, any theist who says that they believe, is actually saying that they cannot unequivocally prove the basis of their belief.

Belief:

1. An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

Synonyms.....guess . speculation . surmise . fancy . notion . suspicion . presumption . assumption . theory . hypothesis . postulation . inference . extrapolation . projection . approximation . rough calculation . rough idea . guesswork . guessing . surmising . imagining . theorizing.

Exactly my dilemma.

We think and we assume.

And rigged up to a monitor, a real time electro-chemical process relative to a given thought could probably be detected.

So we could easily prove that the process is existent.

Though whether the relative internal image or narrative is existent separate from the process is less certain.

And for sure I think that an imagination is a thought process, variously defined.

Basically just internal data processing.

In fact sitting here typing this text, I seemingly, simultaneously think, imagine and type.

The bible probably contains some facts, therefore some truth.

The bible probably contains some fantasy, therefore some make believe.

Thereby we end up with a mythological basis for both a naive creation hypothesis, and a socio-political mandate.

And devolved religions and religious books are just more of the same.

There are other books available now, perhaps harder for the average citizen to understand, but nonetheless more pertinent to understanding  universal truth.

Though repressive politically motivated data transfer regimes are keen to hang onto the old guff.

And the there's Poly.

Well.

In so much as we think therefore we are,

Imagination is an internal electrochemical thought process that occurs.

And thus we might conclude that to imagine, is a logically and physically consistent process.

Though whether or not, the illusory outcome of this occurring process is existent, is perhaps one for the semanticists to argue over.

Well.

The evolutionary processes that have affected matter since a moment of creation/initiation/re-initiation (like you I am unable to know the reality of this moment) are indisputable.....Therefore  I have no need of belief.

Nonetheless you have a solution, namely GOD....A particular 2000 year old floaty about version, of the same hypothesis that has existed for many thousands of years.....Your GOD is simply old hat imagination, dressed up in newer clothes.....But you continue to put your faith in this old guy and deny the ongoing processes that affect the world around you....Such is the strength of repressive data transfer and conditioning, that causes people to become so egotistical in their foundness and so firmly rooted to their crease.....Even though the bails went flying years ago.

The reality is though, that everything boils down to the same old story.

Once upon a time long long ago, something happened,

And we know not what.

And things are still happening.

And things are likely to continue happening until,

The End.

And then of course, someone was nailed to a post.

And that explained everything.

You just wouldn't believe it!

Would you?

Yes you would Boys and Girls.

Now off you go and play cricket.

Do you believe this stuff?

Is this really a multi-offending married Incel?

Or just a serial fantasist.

Either way,

Are impressionable youngsters at risk? 

A selective extinction event,

Or a tent,

Might be the answer.

That your after.

A virus that only attacks,

The moron-gene.

And a sown in groundsheet,

Makes the home,

A complete,

Treat,

For the feet.

By the way,

And before you say.

I was DNA tested,

No moron-gene detected.

Have you been preselected?

Also,

A truly free market.

Would pretty much,

Entirely,

Eliminate,

Poverth,

Might be,

Symptomatic.

@Poly

How about a woman with a mid-life crisis and a confused belief system (only joking)....Jealous of a currently confident and content, over 50 man....Far from white....In fact slightly ruddy by virtue of heritage.

In fact we are all what we are by virtue of heritage.....An unalterable consequence of species evolution relative to time, space and matter.

Perhaps that's what makes you such a polytheistically perfect female Poly?

Psalms and Corinthians loosely repeat human tales.

And your GOD conforms to the will and the character of the character GOD, as depicted by those who loosely repeated 2000 year old plus tales, 2000ish years ago.

And the cross as mentioned in said tales, is representative of said tales, and said tales certainly helped to shape more recent human events and societies.

And "we" don't know the half of it, and may never do so. But by virtue of species evolution we have undeniably acquired "superior " knowledge.....Knowledge that said repeaters of said tales were never able to possess. Hence we have actually exceeded the need for a humanesque creator GOD and it's associated Middle Eastern tales.

It's a shame really that you and millions of other's refuse to get it.

But such is data transfer and data conditioning relative to social order and the human desire for wealth and power.....And you and I are just pawns in the game.

So realistically it's not a shame at all.....It's just the way of the human world.

And if the biblical  GOD works as a coping strategy for you, then who am I to deny you that comfort.

I cope perfectly well without.

 

The only thing that philosophy teaches us, is that it's possible to spend ones working life just talking bullshit.

I'm obviously in the wrong job then.....Thought I say that before you did.

Why does a GOD have to conform to a cultural mindset the prevailed prior to the 1st century, only in the Eastern Mediterranean/Arabian Peninsular region of this one small Planet?

If a GOD is going to conform to any mindset, I would suggest that it would be a super-intelligent, logical and universal mindset.

Thereby rendering tales of apples and snakes, floating Zoo's, general miracles and nailing blokes to posts for our sins, to the realms of super-intelligent comedy sketch shows.

One assumes that GODS enjoy a good laugh at the human comedians.

No.

Afghanistan was just World politics playing out in a Third World backwater.

Just like Osama was once a U.S. ally against the Soviets, so now the Taliban are the allies.

The status of Afghan enemy, has now shifted to an even more extreme element of Islamic society.

So now we support the Taliban and use them to fight the holy war.

The U.S. public weren't going to support another Korea or Vietnam indefinitely.

Get out quick and befriend the Taliban....I'm guessing that was the political and military strategy, even before the Biden Administration actually came into Office.

Don't get deluded by all the Giant Killer and Veterans bullshit that we're bombarded with on social media, that's just propaganda.

Giant Killers and Veterans are only ever pawns in the political game.

I had this discussion with Tarik.

And I had to concede, that according to definition there is a considerable difference between actual facts, and general information.

Misuse of the word fact had become a bad habit, as you just exemplified.

Withdrawing from Afghanistan was a masterstroke.

And pick a Democrat, any Democrat, and blame them for all the ills of the World.

Same old, same old.

And the orange clown was a hero clown, for sure.

And Biden is too old, but at least not an old clown.

Such is the entertainment that is media driven politics.

Oats for sure.

And I suppose that if one has never placed the burden of responsibility for ones entire existence, onto to the shoulders of ones imagination.

Then one will not feel let down when ones expectancies are challenged.

Though it must be said that realistically the basis of any challenge is a fellow hominid, and not a conditioned belief system.

But herein exists a hominid that has had the luxury of a comfortable and secure existence for the past 62years.

Such are the fortunes of evolution.

The very process of learning and generating new data, is based upon the ability to remember and record previous events.

Otherwise we would still be roaming the Earth naked, fearful of predators, eating berries and insects.

But I do know what you mean.

One is rarely shook,

Because one has become conditioned and therefore insensitive to the fact,

That there is always someone somewhere capable of something.

So if for example, I am told that someone somewhere can and does legally decapitate their spouse,

Then that event just becomes something else, that someone participated in somewhere.

And I return to my porridge, unshaken.

Why Why Why Delilah.

 Skimming through on a wet Saturday afternoon.

And I was both pleased and intrigued to see a reference  to myself in the above discussion.

Exactly what are you referencing here?

As I would like to recap , before I might comment.

One produces an egg, and another fertilizes it....This is biological sex.

One produces an egg, and another fertilizes it...Formerly representative of gender.

The term gender has latterly been repurposed to also represent all sorts of other guff, relative to the justification of previously taboo recreational sex acts and conceptual fantasy.

Of course, these days sexual fantasy is easily factualized by the physicians medications, the surgeons knife, the psychologists spiel and the politicians mandate.

Such is human evolution.

New World order Doc.

Things move on.....Or have moved on.

I think that the UK. has already started to adapt....Colonialism came back to bite us in the backside in the 1960's

And Western Europe has bore the brunt of the effects of more recent Allied interference in the Middle East and North Africa.

Whereas there are still a lot of  insular thinking Americans,  unaffected by the huge changes in global demographics.

Maybe yours and Yassines mutual antipathy is stereotypically representative of your formative conditionings.

Interestingly, you both think different versions of the same thing.

Based upon cultural and theistic divergence and human migration.

From my point of view, I would suggest that Yassine is somewhat more confident than you, thereby your unease with the situation manifests in the form of criticism.

Just an observation.

What if he wasn't just limited to the wine, fish and healing stuff?

What if he could also do invincible?

But there again, if someone is hell bent on martyrdom for the sake of my sins.

Then who am I to put silly ideas, into their head.

Daft ideas, like do sensible stuff.

Such as, just making sure that there is always an adequate supply of food and water available,

 

And then putting ones feet up in heaven.

Though Jes did like to hang around with his swarthy Arabian boyfriends....So, not sure that Dad would approve.

Dad was very much an old fashioned, married virgins, type of man.

The wine thing is an interesting reflection of biblical times and society though.

That there should preferably be a ready supply of alcohol rather than of clean water.

But with the fish thing, I expect that Jes and his Dad, were thinking omega three.

Actually, perhaps we're missing a trick here.

A diet of wine and fish.....That was the hidden biblical message.

F**k broccoli.....Was that what Goddo was trying to say?

Does it even mention 5 a day in the Bible?

Or KFC.

Perhaps didn't want to offend all the future veg and chicken farmers.

AHHHHH....It's all becoming clear.

Though they do make references to veal,

And several references to shepherding too.

But defo not Pig farming.

And no references to Coca Cola.

Or Pepsi.

Or Fighter Jets.

Or the U.S.A.

Or a whole lot of other stuff too.

Nice one Doc.

@Poly

Exactly.

Arrogance is a substitute for ignorance,

And certainty in ones own knowledge is confidence,

And confidence might appear to be arrogance,

If one is ignorant and lacks confidence. 

I like the armchair option.

I admire your attention to detail.

Just saying.

Amongst all else,

It was a comment that just stood out.

Not quite like carbon dating or something, whereby one might say 10000 years, plus or minus a hundred years.

But for sure,

It doesn't matter at all.

Nice post too.

@Tarik

Notwithstanding skepticism or scepticism.  (Depending upon ones place of origin)

Piggybacking  multiple cans of worms.

Now there's semantics for you.

Science reaches conclusions, by step by step analysis.

Results always yield a positive conclusion, even if a conclusion does not always satisfy the premise.

Everyone thinks that everyone else lives somewhere else other than here.

Well, not everyone does.

And terror is em,

Largely,

Testosterone fuelled fantasy,

Devolved from the Churches,

Parents,

Schools,

And the playground.

Then there are media generated American stereotypes.

Though when I visited,

People we generally very ordinary and polite.

Just like in the U.K.

Perhaps the media has a tendency to promote the exaggerated vainglorious fringes of society.

Now why would they do that?

Wait 400 years.....Give or take 100.

One reads these threads.

And certain things just jump out at you.

Plus or minus 25%.......Is that a reasonable margin of error?

The theist is an obstinate pseudo-scientist, who will never admit that their premise is fundamentally flawed.

Such are the limitations of the human brain.

Teach your kids non-sense, and the will grow up obstinately believing in non-sense.

And don't forget that I never dismiss the GOD principle.

It's just a floaty about bloke, who f**ks a married virgin and then nails their bastard son to a post for my sins type nonsense, that readily disproves your whacky hypothesis.

Why would a clever tri-omni be this stupid.

Why not a huge non-violent screen in the sky carrying a polite multilingual message.

Saying something like:

This is your GOD here.

Now be sure to be nice to each other,

And please look after the planet.

I'm of now for an indeterminate period of time, to do some creation work elsewhere.

But should you need to get in touch, please call me, as I'm always available on my omnipresence device.

No worship necessary......Just enjoy yourselves.

Regards.

GOD.

Now wouldn't that be a whole lot easier and more sensible.

Rather than flooding the Earth and getting a guy to build a big boat, etc etc.

I'm indifferent with regards the Bible.

It's just a book, variously interpreted, variously translated and variously republished.

The so called word of your particular GOD, probably predates the Bible by a good few hundred years anyway.

So consequently what has been arrived at today is most certainly of later human concoction, with a typical mythological format.

Elements of human reality, juxtaposed with a naive creation hypothesis, 2000 year old social ideology and a smattering of supernatural fantasy thrown in for good measure.

There are just so many reasons why the Bible is not representative of a clever, tri-omni GOD.

In fact, the World is not specifically "round".

It is roughly spherical.

"Round" could imply a flat Earth,

And we wouldn't want to do that.

Well that's how I feel.

Though, in so much as all internal processes are relative to all internal processes,

So in relative terms, feelings become facts and are only distinguishable by adapting the self same internally relative processes.