zedvictor4

As I said.

Real within a context.

Whether or not the Bible accurately relates to real events.....I have no idea, and know way of knowing.

That's where you don't quite get me.

Because a statement such as "Britain has very much to feel guilty about".

Is a generalization relating to historical events, that by it's very historical nature, will never be able to prick my conscience.

I feel no guilt whatsoever for the injustices perpetrated by others in the past....No matter where they might have originated from.

Nonetheless, I certainly would never celebrate, when a person is gunned down in the street.

@Tarik

Everything is real within a context.

Even morality, which is predicated on human data assessment and variously opinionated output.

And GODS too.

The bad guy will out.

No getting away from that.

But in terms of gun law, gun accessibility and gun fever there's no comparison.

Police...Same as everywhere else I expect.

2021 now.

I don't live in the past.

But hopefully we learn from it.

Still not relevant to my initial comments though.....Or is it?

It's just another school shooting ludo.

What else do you expect.

It's what Americans vote for.

So presumably, a Single GOD has to multi-task Poly.

Doing the oceans, wind and thunder all at the same time, as it were.

Though, given omniscience, omnipotence and all that.

One would expect a GOD to have all that sort of stuff, controlled from a central operations facility.

With a sexy Angel or two flitting about....

You know fluffy wings and white lingerie.

Or is that me fantasising?

Bugger standing around huffing and puffing all day.

That's old school GOD work Poly.

Odd inconclusive statement Doc.

And to be fair, I've never regarded you as arrogant.......Just typical old school "White" America.....We're essentially just products Doc.

Europe, UK and consequently the Americas are racial fusions or mongrel nations, and it all started way back Doc. And there was a whole load of racial conflict along the way.

IMHO you're getting a bit hung up on skin and features, relative to the sensory perception of difference Doc.

And once again to be fair, it's impossible to override this process.....One just has to learn how to manage it in the context of society.

And the gullible can easily be induced to riot.

Riots are all the work of protagonists and their antagonism.

Stay at home, put your feet up and leave the rioting to the rioters, is my advice Doc.

Let the Police sort it out....It's what they are paid to do.

Nothing to do with pride.

I've been on this site for quite a while now, so you should have some idea of where I'm coming from in terms of personal ideology.

History is history and today is today.

And contentment is everything.

And happy is a fleeting thing.

And my initial sentiments in this thread were nothing to do with wars and colony...As Doc well knows.

They were simply a conscience pricker....And worked a treat.

And Doc....Your most recent jibe, really needs a lot more consideration.

All GODS come from the imagination Poly.

No harm in that.

Yep sounds a bit like Afghanistan Doc.

And previously Iraq.

And Vietnam.

And Korea.

Same old shit.

We never learn do we Doc?

Yep, I agree.....As is "Postmodernism".

That was really what I was driving at initially.

Though cristo71 is clearly interested more in the philosophy of assumed political ideology....So I was just trying to engage.

Social evolution is what it is....And will become what it will become.....And will effect accompanying generations along the way.

Obviously not Doc.

Though we had race wars for hundreds of years prior to 1919.....Deaths, too many to know.

What it all boils down to though, is social development Doc.

Who knows when the first associated death occurred.

And who knows when the last one will be.

We will understandably tend to dwell on recent past events.

Though even WW2 is becoming just an historical fact for modern generations.

What is Postmodernism?

Other than an esoteric description of what has become a  popular aspect of modern culture.

What I was suggesting, was that far left does have the potential to become far right....And I think that history proves this.

Though at the current moment, how we interpret such things, largely depends upon which side of the fence one assumes to viewing from.

As someone who as a rule, likes to sit on the fence....I don't currently see anything particularly disconcerting, that cannot be adapted to.

"Postmodernism" as I previously suggested, will be an ongoing evolutionary trend....Largely dictated by technological advancements...And I don't really see a reversal of this trend.....Quite the opposite in fact.

Lets face it..... Material evolution is what it is.....And humans are accompanying blobs of organic goo....Albeit thinking.

Responsible for what?

Perhaps you should be holding someone in China responsible...Fat lot of good that would do, I know.

Vaccination shouldn't be mandatory.

And idiots shouldn't be allowed to work in hospitals.

If only it were that simple.

What is it that you think he might be doing, that's not doing anything?

Do you think that if Donald were still here, the virus would have done a runner?

Philosophical Bullshit, always has been a far left war against reality.

And Postmodern always is Postmodern....It's a time and people thing.

It's just us and them cristo.

Always has been.

Just keep going around and around.

And right becomes left, and left becomes right.....And so on.

@Tarik

Freudian slip there Tarik.

You're implying that your specific version of GOD is a person.

Albeit irregular.

So what's the point of the game then Tarik.

Are we just it's play things?

Biden isn't not doing anything.

It's people not doing anything that is the problem.

Oh, and quite a nasty viral pathogen.

And the purpose of a vaccine is......?

The Queen?

Just a woman, Trade.

Blimey Doc.

I think that this Island imported racial violence long long ago.

And of course, race isn't just about the tone of ones skin.

And for sure, we and the rest of Europe then turned around and exported it over to the New World.

And then you and us have been taking it around the World ever since.

Such is what it still is to be human Doc.

Good to know Doc.

Nice.

Funnily enough, I find cycling very positive.

Sorry though.

Must have hit some G-spots in the conscience department.

Wasn't ours in the first place Doc.

Just borrowed it for a while.

Sound short term investment.

Soft re-jibe Doc.

You're way too nice.

Depending on point of view.

Both Atheists and Theists can be regarded as bigots.

You're clearly stoically biased Poly, and therefore inevitably, somewhat bigoted.

Whereas I accept  people for the conditioned units that they have become.

Happy Thanksgiving.

And spare a thought for those brutally gunned downs on the streets of the USA.

Now go eat yourself senseless.....It's what GOD would have wanted for sure.

Oh.

And entertainment for sure.

But always sincere.

I know Doc.

Biased but sensible.....Hopefully.

I'm  hoping, that you keep your AR15 well and truly locked away. 

I'm not sure what it is that you cannot avoid Doc.

Hopefully it's not the inspirationalists dogma.

Hopefully it's the inevitability of Yin and Yang.

So family.

Not that I'm actually suggesting that a certain tale is true, but rather that a certain tale is analogical.  

If you consider the Adam and Eve story, then you would perhaps understand what I mean by family.

Of course, and notwithstanding that Adam and Eve were eventually usurped in the tale by Noah et al......Another issue though.

Choosing to ignore as a teenager, I would suggest is typically...Teenage behaviour.....We variously try to establish alternative identities  during this period of physiological development.

Then choosing to reaffirm you acceptance, albeit on slightly different tack, is nonetheless underpinned by your formative conditioning.

Whereas my conditioning was underpinned formatively in an atheist environment......Not that I realised at the time....Our religion was the land and making a living from it....The Church was just an old stone building down the road, and the clergy we lazy parasites....Not that I continue to regard the clergy as parasites...Just   misinformed people. 

And if you can't find a GOD

Then how can you know a GOD?

This is clearly an ongoing contradiction of yours Trade.

Though the reason for your contradictory ideology is obvious to me.....It's what's known as conditioning Trade.

Morning Trade.

Upset....I don't do upset Trade.

I do early morning Debateart entertainment.

I was surprised at your inability to understand what I meant by family....Though I'm guessing that you probably didn't try....Ah well.

And Woke....As far as I am concerned, woke means awake...So I'll take it as a compliment....And hence, my dreamland re-jibe.

And for sure, I learned to ignore Christianity 50  or more years ago....And you learned the opposite.....Conditioning Trade.

And I know that it's not possible to find a real GOD....That's what I keep telling you Trade....So we've concluded the morning in agreement then...Nice.

People are variously inspired Doc.

Create an Us and Them culture and you will end up with Us and Them.

And one or to will be variously  inspired.

Yin and Yang Doc.

Just keep your head down and stay away from the inspirationalists.

Maybe you're a tad biased Doc.

As an outside observer I would suggest that just as your mum probably used to say to you, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Yin and Yang Doc.

The bullet and the righteous mob.

AKA. The US Justice System.

Reminds me of a Western I caught the beginning of recently.

Things haven't moved on much.

Yeeha, Gunslingers.

Well, notwithstanding the fact that I am a lifelong atheist.

Your above response was so weak, that it died before I got to "that".

So a chance to resuscitate and have an NDE.

Prove me wrong.

Ask a Peruvian Doc.

And so, will you elaborate?

Modern day is all that there is.

And like unconditioned non-theists who went before, we realised that it doesn't matter how hard you look you will never find a GOD, anywhere other than inside a conditioned  mind.

And the human family is, and various sub-families are...Irrespective of pomp and circumstance.

And if I'm woke.

Then that puts you most definitely in dreamland.

Hi Trade.

Wrong....Humans define GODS, therefore humans define sin....That's irrefutable logic.

The formalisation of the beginning of a family....Mother, Father, Progeny, begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg.

How "a family" might proceed from thereon in, is variable...Though conditioning will have a big influence.

True...Gay is a somewhat hijacked word....Though in terms of homosexuality, it all boils down to the achievement of sexual gratification, via an alternative modus operandi to the one previously mentioned.

And conditioning is...Which may result in irresponsibility.

Promoting religious fiction as the basis of universal reality is a tad irresponsible, but it's just how some people have been conditioned to process misinformation.

Flesh and blood and conditioning maketh the person, that maketh their GOD.

You're overlooking the simple fact that NDE's are internally generated imagery.

AKA hallucinations.

Albeit, real enough physiological phenomena.

Reading more in to it is an extraneous exercise....An attempt at alleviating human fear and anxiety..

Mr circular.

GODS don't define sin.

People define sin and attribute their definition to their particular GOD.

And gay is simply a modus operandi.

And marriage is simply associated bunkum.

And one takes it all as seriously as one is conditioned to take it.

Who decides what is and isn't tyrannical?

The reality is that tyranny is likely to replace tyranny.

It all depends upon which side of the tyrannical fence one chooses to stand.

Well stated.

I've no idea.

You will need to elaborate.

There are liberal societies, and there are not so liberal societies. 

And the 21st century is simply a point on a universal timeline. 

And then there is normal, and then there is a conceptually derived version of normal.

Which might also be a conceptually derived abnormal, depending upon how people have been conditioned to process the relative data.

It's easy to assume that we know the difference between right and wrong...But can you convince 7.9billion others?

And "girls who satisfy for money"....You seemingly think that this is OK in the 21st century.

So what about boys that satisfy for money?

That's American culture for you.

This site is very good at "engaging conversation".

Though expecting everyone else to engage in your conversation as you would prefer it, is unlikely to happen.

Every opinion is valid, even if it is contrary to your opinion.

What will happen, is what will be good.

It's the only option.

In terms of a bigger picture (Take your pick)......What happens to people and the environment is largely irrelevant.

As long as we protect the primary thinkers. (Material developers).