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I was trying to  think how best to describe the Christian bible.

And I came up with semi-consistent.

In so much as it's an ongoing thematic rehashed development of a basically, hypothetical, supernatural premise, centred around a small regional group of people and their associated folk tales.

This atheists position is best described as super-consistent.

Theists must firstly prove the basic supernatural hypothesis.

This atheist is happy to accept the regional supernatural folk tales for what they are.

That is to say, a certain amount of regional fact, embellished with fantasy....Namely MYTH.

So whereas Stephen wants clarification of all the minor biblical details.

All that I want, is real proof of the major detail.

Let's start at the beginning and take it from there.

I'm certainly not ready to take on board the notion, that some dude was nailed to a post for my sins.....Where's the logic in that?

Information is information is data.

Irrespective of correctness.

What language do you speak Doc?

Based upon such criteria, perhaps I should regard you as my English brother.

Though see FLRW above, for more clarification on the subject of Columbus's language and national identity.

Sorry Doc but:

Italian is a label attached to people who were born within the Nation State of Italy.....Since 1815

Columbus was labelled as Genoan......Some 300 or so years before 1815.......Italians didn't exist then Doc.

And anyway, your overlooking the fact that Columbus was actually working for the Spanish.

What data is that exactly?

Quite a lot...About 61 years worth....Too much to list.

#21, #22, #23.

Nicely stated.

Firing on all cylinders Mr S.

If I knew what Swagnarok was on about.....Would that make me a better person?

You didn't really need to include the word "incestual".

But do the said hypotheticals, chew grass, pluck the banjo, not wear shoes and live in the swampy backwoods?

Just trying to intensify the imagery.

OK.........I see what you're getting at now

So see #7, third statement.

And the rapist to be successful must oppress.

But that doesn't negate primary motivation.....Chemical messaging as it were.

Similarly and no doubt controversially.

I would suggest that the primary response of the oppressed is submission.

Observing other non-conceptually driven species, might put this statement into perspective.

As a species we are motivated by a not necessarily cohesive mixture of instinct and concept.

Which is easily misunderstood and misrepresented.

#3

A tad abstruse.

Needs exemplifying and clarifying.

A conditioned theist will repeat the data that they feel compelled to repeat.

The conditioned atheist is the same I suppose.

Though relative to acquired human knowledge, the atheist now has the benefit of logic on their side.

The Hubble Telescope,  sort of puts into perspective, a floaty about bloke that nails his kids to wooden crosses for our sins. 

If you like Doc.

What would a society be like with total freedom of the individual?

Anarchic I suppose.

And I don't fancy anarchy much.

British society is currently, just fine by me.

I work, I have a niche, and I am sufficiently content.

Perhaps the problem isn't a lack of freedom, but the bondage of over expectation.

I would definitely agree with that.

For sure.

But the pieces are individual parts.

So even if cut into 100 individual parts.

We can still SAY that 100 = 1.

I think that we probably have a certain amount of agreement with regard to gender issues.

Though your initial sentence still leaves me somewhat baffled.

As for rape....I would certainly disagree....And suggest that rape is primarily motivated by sexual desire.

Power, achievement and satisfaction are the inevitable secondary benefits that the rapist acquires from the act.

Basically, animal instinct, gratification and empowerment.

As conceptual thinkers, we have a tendency to overlook reality in favour of intellectual concepts.

Such has become our preferred approach to rape, gender and a wide variety of other issues.

Social evolution, if you like.

A love, hate relationship.

Two minds inextricably locked

In a remotely passionate binary embrace.

A male kid is a male kid and a dress is a dress.

I see loads of female kids wearing trousers.

Clothes is just about conditioned expectation.

Just a thought.

And rape is rape, and the allegations thereof, is whole different ball game to gender identity.

So what was the actual message in your post?....As I couldn't really work it out.

Biden's biggest issue is his age.

The next election probably won't be decided by the Us and Them majority, but once again by the minority of the thoughtfully undecided.

Of course, ably assisted by the undemocracy that is the U.S. Presidential Election Process and Circus.

And to a certain degree, by how big a shift there is towards, or reaction against, liberal thinking.

The grass is always greener, as it were.

I would suggest that all organisms have material properties, and are generated and maintained  by an energy principle (life), which could be referred to as spirit.

Whether such properties are residual after material decay, is speculative, but nonetheless a reasonable proposition.

I would further suggest that the nature and possible purpose of said hypothetical residue, becomes so speculative that it quickly ascends without any chance of verification, into the fantastical.

Though I see no reason why all living organisms should not possess the same properties.

Stay safe.

I'm an even person.

And I don't hate anyone.

One can SAY anything.

That's the beauty of language.  

A fraction will remain a mathematical concept, unless it can be perceived as individual parts.

As I demonstrated.

A length of timber cut in HALF....Becomes 2 individual parts.....So convert back to a concept  and 0.5 + 0.5 can = 1 and  2.

That's the beauty of internal data manipulation.

So for as long as the gene pool is expanded, then abortion is not necessarily counter-productive.

The moral argument isn't about procreation.

The moral argument is about the moral argument.....Often relative to a hypothetical, super-natural concept.

Well, we know that it creates detectable waves.

Just requires a detector, that can also convert waves into appreciable sound.

Just as a detector can convert light into appreciable objects.

But we also know that a rock can be broken down into a million pieces

So we can also SAY  that a million = 1.....And therefore 3million+3million = 6

So if the universe was void of life and knowledge......Then what?

OK...So physics is a broad label we can variously apply.

But generally means the human internal appreciation of external events and their causes.

We do not know how matter was caused.

Current best answer is magic, rather than physics.

Same principles apply to GODS.

Humans are such that they are not equal, hence hierarchy will inevitably develop.

So the exploitation of this natural system is how things get done.

From hunter gathering to computer technology, someone has always led the way and the rest have followed in order of diminishing ability and responsibility.

Rewards will inevitably be commensurate.

Religious baloney or truth.

Your call.

And my call too.

Inherent sexual desire is the stimulus for procreation.

Half an hours fun in the sack with whosoever is the derived consequence.

And if a GOD actually is in charge, the it's all GODS bidding.

The cumming of GOD as it were.

Hierarchy is how things naturally work.

"Exploiting the workers".....Is a plea to the emotions.

Without hierarchy, nothing would get done.

Why doesn't everyone start up their own business?

Thanks Doc.

Slightly wrong again Doc.

As Italy didn't exist as a unified State until 1815.

Columbus was actually from the Republic of Genoa.

And his voyages were sponsored by the Spanish.

I understand.

Yes.

But is there really a gay gene?

Or is it just a case of a tendency to enjoy recreational sex, without the socially conditioned restrictions.

The needs and the short term satisfaction from sexual activity, are the same however one chooses to behave.

Getting married to your same sex, sex partner, and living together,  with a nice new fitted kitchen, and a fancy puppy, is just the new acceptable trend.

Doesn't alter the fact that if you want a child, someone somewhere has got to impregnate an egg with a sperm.

Yep.

But telling a gullible numpty to vote for someone, when they haven't got a clue, is also inviting bias.

So when they film Star Trek for instance, do they send actors out into inter-galactic space for the sake of verisimilitude?

All transferred functional data, and all intellectual data acquired and stored since birth.

So stuff moves relentlessly forwards.

And us blobs of fragile organic goo.

Make a noise for a while.

Owner.

Worker.

Professor.

Blah de blah de blah.

Sorry...A dumb British question.

But why would there need to be live ammunition on a film set?

Or real guns.

What's wrong with a projectileless replica that just goes bang?

Procreational sex is procreational sex.

And recreational sex is recreational sex.

Remove the taboos and people will come out of the closet.

And elaborate with appropriate narratives.

I blame the water.

Math is a construct that conforms to a basic set of rules....Ergo 1+1 = 2

Though as I demonstrated, by using an associated narrative we can easily represent numbers differently, and modify the rules.

So it was confirmed by sum1hugme, that half a length of timber was also 1 length of timber.....Ergo 0.5+0.5 can also be said to equal 2.

Nonetheless:

Math is in the head of the mathematician.

Without the head of the mathematician, things just occur as they do.

Democracy will only work if the electorate and those up for election, are prepared to abide by the democratic decision.

And the democratic decision will only be accurately representative if the democratic process is democratic.

But no matter how flawed the U.S. electoral system might be, and how polarised U.S. society might be......What is the alternative?

Reforming the system would certainly help.

And whether or not the American public are as polarised as the media would like to suggest, I cannot say.

Now that is.......Quite obviously.....Just us and them bias.

I function relative to my internal database and it's programming.

I make decisions/output data for the same reason.

Choice is a debate in itself.

One cannot output that which is not firstly acquired.

When Columbus "set foot"....The Americas weren't even a continent, let alone the America's.

And notwithstanding that Northern regions were already inhabited by Northern Europeans.

The continent was eventually named for someone different....Columbus being temporarily forgotten.

Love and Hate.....The inappropriate use of words.

I am British.

I watch from a distance , and I'm suitably entertained by internal U.S. presidential politics. Just as you perhaps are entertained by British politics.

Love and hate just do not enter into the equation.

Biden too old, and Trump too inept.

Biden the elderly Statesman, no longer up to performing on the World stage

Trump the ageing  businessman, just not suitable for performing on the World stage.

U.S. presidential elections are a repeating, media hyped and manipulated, us and them circus.

Just observations made, with little or no emotional input.

I've looked it up Doc.

Just pointing out the obvious inaccuracies within your previous statement.

Data input, processing and output.

That which means we function as we do.

Everything presented in this thread, by all participants, was subject to this process.........Irrespective of primary data sources.

Anyone's assumption to know something unprovably greater is simply an unprovable assumption.....Data output based upon acquired unprovable data, all internal and individually reprocessed......In short, a personal opinion or idea.

Exactly Poly.

And labels are labels and people are people.

And some people are agreeable and some people are arseholes....Irrespective of their chosen label.

It all boils down to hormones, and the Rutting Stag Syndrome.

That's simply your unqualified opinion.

And your "belief".

And not the belief of "we".

The evolution of matter, strongly suggests order from chaos and therefore a design of physical inevitability.

Unfortunately, GOD hypotheses and the BIG BOOM both start at 1 with no explanation of 0.

So in spite of what "we" might believe, "we" do not actually have an answer.

And if 3 represented 11 individual units, then 3+3 might equal 42.

It just so happens that intelligent beings have devised a counting system whereby 3+3 is recognised as equalling 6.

And 3+3= GOD is an amalgamation of a recognised counting system and an insubstantial creation hypothesis.....Because we can.