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But without a gun to his head.

Actually I might refer to myself as an agno-atheist, in so much as my hypothesising currently tends to run with some sort of Universal GOD principle.

But certainly not the specific MANGOD of the Bible, who nonetheless is reasonably analogical, in so much as Interventionist Super-Intelligent seeding is an evolutionary possibility.

And I do not believe anything.

But what is certain is that you are the same Ratman, who has just modified how he assesses and responds to certain acquired and stored data, therefore these days presenting with Catholic metaphorically stamped on his forehead..

So you've learned the ritual, learned the songs, and learned the accompanying rhetoric, though I still doubt that Jesus will save you from........?

Nonetheless I wish you well, though I will continue to question what it is that you think you believe.

If everything is finite, then it cannot be infinitely reduced, therefore it will eventually cease to exist.

On the other hand, if everything is infinite, then it can be infinitely reduced and never cease to exist.

So everything will expand and then contract to either a point of nothingness or a point of re-initiation.

Wherein, might lie the significance of the GOD principle....Rather than a magic bloke in a frock and sandals.

Hi Trade.

Nice to see that you're still paying attention.

All in all, what Trump symbolises is the intellectual output of roughly 50% of the human race.

What I refer to as the clever stupid gene.

Or Yin and Yang.

And Catholicism is just a religious club with big hats, glamorous gowns and bulletproof buggies.

Other religious clubs like to dress up too.

And singing is big, along with kneeling and mumbling.

And if there is a GOD watching, it's still laughing it's socks off.

Yep, who wouldn't wear socks with sandals...I bet he left them on when gave Mary one in the stable.

Of course it was dark and Mary was bent over the manger and GOD and Joe wore similar socks and sandals.

And although not complaining, Mary did think that Joe's endowment was somewhat more substantial than usual.

Hence the origin of the popular orgasmic exaltations...For heavens sake, holy god, jesus christ.

Well, that's my interpretation of events.

It was only later that she got to realise that one foot Godfrey the Innkeeper, actually had two feet.

Marx was a bourgeois hypocrite who drank fine wine and talked bollocks.

All social systems function tyrannically, though some systems are considerably nicer or nastier than others.

So the proletariat overthrow the working classes and along come the new fat cats like Stalin and Mao and slaughter a few million more, if not by the bullet, by starvation.

I much prefer the tyranny imposed by democratic capitalism.

Monarchy is a Global phenomena.

And the reason that Brits voted for Brexit is the same reason why Americans voted for Trump.

More people voted for Brexit and Trump, and less people didn't.

Free and relatively fair elections...Compared to Russia say, where people vote Putin for health reasons.

Yep, but we know that a two state solution is just a two state solution.

Are you saying that this is the best that can be hoped for?

You're probably right.

True.

Though an intelligent hybrid, might be able to experience the sugar rush, or even an orgasm.

And once a non-hybridised AI unit has learned how to mimic such responses then Bob's it's uncle and Fanny's it's aunty.

Nationalism exists in the minds of people all across the globe.

And therein extremism will always fester.

It only takes one person to turn up the heat.

And the gullible masses will start to bleat.

It's a centuries old human tradition.

In so much as inspired positivity affects the Brain to produce chemicals that evoke a sense of wellbeing.

So all sorts of activities, religious, mystical, sporting, musical, artistic, sexual  etc etc, will do the trick.

Catholic is as Catholic does.

Takes about half an hour to learn the drill and Bob's your Uncle.

So then Ratman becomes a completely different guy to the one he was half an hour earlier.

Hail Mary...See I've just become a temporary Catholic.

I like Milky Way, too.

As kids, we used to bite off all the chocolate first and then eat the filling.

My mum would refrigerate Mars Bars and slice them up.

We have a lot to thank Mars Inc for.

The first Mars Bar was made in Slough England in 1932.

Yep mystical baloney.

So I am a agno-atheist-hypothesiser, and my preferred symbol is a circle  inside a triangle inside a triskaidecagon...Which means all sorts of magical shit.

No such thing as a working communist solution.

Just more ore less tyranny.

Communism is a bourgeois liberal's pipe dream, and an autocrat's excuse.

Leave the Gorillas alone.

Go fight each other.

Or better still just put the idiot who thinks up such crap, in a cage with an annoyed Silver Back.  

And let's see who pisses themself.

And a self espousing socially superior Catholic should no better than to get involved in such abject degeneracy.

Well, the real Nazis were members of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party, between 1920 and 1945.

Though today perhaps best applied to a gathering of Nationalist thugs, suffering from an overwhelming testosterone reaction.

And Like I said, for the everyday person in the street (the majority), everything is exactly the same as before.

The minority are those that concern themselves with the sort of stuff that you refer to.

Always interesting how the lives of the masses are often disregarded.

Europe is made up of between 44 and 50 sovereign States.  (No one seems quite sure). Of which, 27 are EU members.

So by your reckoning, that leaves somewhere between 17 and 23 living in a state of constant desperation.

Well, the only solution is relocation of one group, and logistically that would be the Palestinians....Fat chance they would agree to that....And fat chance anyone else would want to do shares or neighbours with them.

Also fat chance that Israel would be willing to up sticks and start again....Though in the right place, they would perhaps be the better neighbours....Plenty of room in the Southern US for a Jewish homeland for example.

But of course there's all the Holy Land baloney to consider....And in this respect they all tend to be regressive thinkers rather than progressive ones.

And a shared border just inspires rocket men.

So as I see it, there isn't a solution, other than the one that the Israelis are currently working on....Which isn't a feasible solution...So not a solution.

Where to go?

That's what I said.

Blocking is little more than a futile protest.

Which State, and how do you know what is best, better that anyone else knows what is best.

Converting to Catholicism is no guarantee of either absolute virtuousness or political infallibility.

Well, I suppose that Trump could be consigned to other forums.

Though Church and State do still climb into bed with each other.

For example...Putin still needs to fuck the Orthodox Church.

And Trump still needs to fuck with any Christian that will listen.

Where you from Ratman?...Never quite worked that one out.

And you cannot ban sexual messaging that is indelibly encoded within the human endocrine system.

Catholics try sexual repression, but look at all the trouble it gets them into....Such is hypocrisy.

Jizz will out and Jizz will in and procreation will occur just as GOD and nature intended....A metaphorical GOD you understand.

Well.

Of Greek origin, meaning "actor".

Latin gave it a religious spin...Sort of falsely virtuous.

More widely used to describe a person who says one thing and does another.

"Nazi" has become a metaphor, that can be liberally applied to differences of opinion.

 

Though perhaps more significantly, differences at  the outer ends of the human ideological tolerance/intolerance scale.

The metaphor can also be applied as a condemnation, when free speech is deemed unacceptable...Wherein we tend to lose sight of who is or isn't  the metaphorical Nazi.

Ratman was around previously.

Similarly entitled.

The thing with blocking, is the blockers ability to ignore, rather than an inability of the blocked to post a comment.

Basically Israelites and Palestinians were the same thing.

Though these days, Jews and Palestinians are not necessarily the same thing as they were previously.

And we should all realise by now that a one State solution ain't never going to work, because it ain't what either side want.

For sure there are some good folk who would rather live a peaceful life...Problem is though  these sort of people don't call the shots...The shooting is generally inspired by theo-political nut jobs and carried out by gullible sycophants.

And of course, arms sales and the Eurovision Song Contest are big business...Middle eastern Transsexuals deserve a platform, don't they.

Clever stupid gene.

I had a vasectomy.

Worked just fine.

Abstinence unnecessary.

He's back, he's loaded with Papal zeal and seemingly has a divine right to boss us about.

Sorry to see that they has a downer on you BK.

Born again Christians are the worst hypocrites.

Watch this space.

Nah BK.

There's reasonable evidence to suggest  that a bloke suffering with delusions of grandeur, namely Jesus, probably existed 2000ish years ago.

MANGOD theory predates this by thousands of years, but as yet there have been no reliable sightings of a MANGOD.

Old blokes up mountains with Donkey's ain't necessarily reliable.

Nah.

We're still in the same place, about 20 miles from France.

We have a tunnel don't you know and the French haven't closed the doors yet.

And like I said, apart for passport controls, everything is just about the same as before.

They still come here to see Buckingham Palace and we still go there to see the Eifel tower.

Politicians bluster and ordinary folk just do ordinary folk stuff.

As far as I am aware, this is an open forum.

You've been back a couple of days and are already trying to implement your own rules.

Perhaps Catholicism and Trumpism have gone to your head.

So my simple take was, that Christianity has become a collection of separate theistic/deistic based political clubs, all based upon one interpretation or another of a single archaic MANGOD hypothesis loosely referred to as Abrahamic religion...The specifics of regional interpretation and consequent rituals  is simply a case of saying, look at us, our club is better than yours, Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah...And then they would often fight and do nasty things...In fact they still do.

Notwithstanding, that the  Abrahamic hypothesis was based upon the similar regional theo-politico mangodish  bickerings that preceded it.

So in the words of Harry Hill:

Who has the best decorated churches and priests...The Catholics or the Orthodox?

Only one way to find out.

HaHa..If there does happen to be a mangod somewhere, I'm guessing that he laughs his socks off at some of the theo-politico stuff that humans get up to on his behalf.

Though I'm sure that in terms of material development, and no matter how amusing,  he understands the necessity of everything that we do.

Perhaps you don't fully understand what science is.

In simple terms, it is a thought process, wherein theories are thoroughly tested and either proved or disproved....Which is how we have been able to successfully forward material development.

Whereas archaic man-god theories and a great deal of written human history is purely speculative and untestable.

So no, as such history and science are not comparable exercises.

Which isn't to say that both science and religion are not important factors of human social and material development.

You're rushing Ratman.

I can't make a lot of sense of that last statement.

HaHa.

For sure, we have a reasonable knowledge of how human society has developed of the previous 2 or 3 millennia.

Though in order to substantiate theistic/deistic baloney, firstly you need to prove that Abraham and his crew weren't off their heads.

Shamanism has always had it's mind altering inclinations.

And of course, Empiricism has always bought along it's own baggage.

Though It's thinking people that move and shake, irrespective of their religious tags.

Hmmmmmm.

Well yes, such was the development of human societies.

Though let's be honest, recorded history was somewhat sketchy to say the least...And was not necessarily current or factual.

We will never know the truth...And it's a tad foolish to make it up.

HaHa.

The Devil.

It's what is known as the endocrine system.

If you try and squash it, it will always ooze out at the edges.

I wonder what Priests and Nuns dream about when they masturbate?

Do you think that it is being taken from behind in a stable, by a by a big swarthy Jewish bloke?

Of course, cute arses develop ideas.

And I bet any money that when the pious are knelt in prayer, sins of the flesh regularly spring to mind.

Christians used to burn heretics.

And the Mesopotamian cradle of civilisation and all it's religious baloney predates Christian baloney by several thousands of years.

Though it's a tad daft to assume that enforcing and enslaving  religious societies won't produce rational thinkers.

 Eventually, even the mystics had to concede that Galileo wasn't such a daft guy after all.

Needs to take up yoga then.

Well, I'm an Earth colonist and share this tiny speck of cosmic dust with 8 billion or so other people and countless other trillions of lifeforms.

No room for isolationism.

In fact, it is reckoned that I share my body with about 39 trillion bacteria...( Not sure who counted them).

Rudimentary scientists discovered baking, and latter day scientists continue to push the limits of food production and development...Have theory....Study and test.

Whereas hapless mystics just came up with an abstract idea and left it at that...Have theory... Sing songs, dress up and generally do daft stuff.

Hey Remy.

Just saying to the new Ratman. (He's reincarnated, both in name and religion).

The generational transfer of data is persistent and will inevitably result as "patterns" in regional and cultural sub-groups.

Which is why Inuit's are not big on Witchetty Grubs, and Aborigines  not big into Grizzly Bears....Though I expect that both have developed a modern cultural attachment to smartphones.

Yep.

Certain MANGOD tales were such.

Other tales developed both before and afterwards.

Whereas Scientists, however fundamental their science, looked at things with a bit more realism and came up with alternative suggestions.

But hey, acquired and transferred data is persistent.

Jews are just another bunch of folk who think that they are completely  different to every other bunch of folk.

It's a common misunderstanding.

Which isn't to say that certain peoples do not display certain discernibly differentiating characteristics.

Though if Human A fucks Human B they will generally produce Human C.

And then there's religious baloney to consider...There's always religious baloney to consider.

And dick modifications...Don't forget dick modifications.

Hey Deb.

Computers, either do as they're told, or not.

AI is currently a misnomer.

When it isn't a misnomer, AI will either be telling you what to do, or doing stuff and not telling you.

G'day Bruce.

You made it too easy.

Yep Ratman, I think that it is referred to as beatification...Big money to be made, in shrines, tourism and tacky memorabilia shopping.

I am aware of other Roman Catholic eccentricities....Like sexual repression, paedophilia and the abuse of unmarried young mothers, to name but three.

So, I'm just guessing, RationalMadman.

Nope, still here in exactly the same place as before, doing the same sort of stuff.

Just slightly more passport control.

And people still visit.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Well, we've moved on from 2 years to 20years.

Nonetheless, a "City" on mars in 20 years is a logistical  improbability/impossibility.

I haven't checked your data, but if windows of opportunity occur every 26months and it takes up to 9 months to get there.

Maybe a research Hamlet.

If humanity seriously want's to achieve such ambitions, it seriously needs to start cooperating....Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That's right.

Smart is as smart pulls the trigger.

Yeh.

But after the last crew has left and the credits roll, there will be shot of a smug astronaut sipping Pina colada on a beach somewhere on Titan.