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@Shila
But people don't change.
I think that your statement is inaccurate.
Though we might possess inherent data that allows us to maintain a certain similarity of form and function, physically we are vehicles of constant change, absorbing and processing nutrients in order to continually renew ourselves.
Similarly, our on board computer also has a basic predetermined operating system, and also a formatively acquired set of well established core knowledge that is not so susceptible to change. As we progress, we are still subject to a continuous input of new data. which will nonetheless have an impact upon ongoing performance.
Of course, we also change considerably as we age.
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@Greyparrot
I didn't.
If true, sort of emphasises the point.
Widespread paranoia.
Widespread manipulation.
Widespread propaganda.
Will read more later.
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@IlDiavolo
You never know.
Once we're wired in, thought crimes is next.
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@TheGreatSunGod
That's the thing BK.
Nothing is random.
Everything occurs in sequence.
Cause and effect.
We just have no clue of primary cause.
So we made up GODS, out of human necessity.
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@7000series
Mutually Assured Destruction, at least gives us some hope.
Though someone or something somewhere will survive and rise from the ashes...So we can also rest easier with that thought, as we slip from this mortal coil.
Or perhaps an AI with a heart, will work out how to switch everything off.
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@Dr.Franklin
And then along came the Doc.
In short, evolution of species started with Darwin, from where he theorised the development of living organisms via a lengthy process of modification, relative to environment and competition.
As such, a process, the process, is neither random nor chaotic and evolves relative to a naturalistic order.
And in simple terms, enlightenment was the result of intellectual development and occurred as it did relative to evolution of species and the same naturalistic order.
Everything is either random and chaotic or it is not.
And all the while GOD botherers persisted in claiming that is was a GOD what did it all...Surely not you DOC?
All of which with hindsight, can be regarded as probabilistic...If not then everything could cease to exist tomorrow...What are the chances of that Doc?
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@WyIted
Who compiled the documents?
Was it propagandists?
I'm guessing that it was.
And for sure, just like now, there will have been be certain Americans who thought that the Soviet Union was cool.
And certain Russians today who think that America would be preferable.
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@WyIted
McCarthy was paranoid, and he incited paranoia amongst certain gullible Americans.
I'm not sure how right or wrong or necessary that might have been.
It was a phase that occurred, then move on to the next phase.
We now have Trump phase, with it's delusions of necessary tyranny, which will typically attract it's gullible devotees.
And we have Wylted et al, espousing necessary tyranny, in order to Make DebateArt Great Again.
And then move on.
I seem to remember that we elected a President.
But he seems to have disappeared without a trace.
I'm guessing that he moved on too.
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@Sidewalker
@Shila
Moses wrote what, when, on what, with what.
I'm just guessing that the OT was compiled a whole lot later...Rather like the Jesus tales of the NT.
Prove me wrong.
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@Savant
In the past 25 years, probably the worst US decision was to go fighting goat herders in Afghanistan, in the vain hope that it would bring an end to global terrorism and avenge the twin towers event.
The best decision was giving up and pulling out...Leaving the place just about the same as when you first arrived.
And then you re-elected Trump.
The US could be a great and good, global super-power...But you just keep fucking people off by, doing the most dumb ass things.
You seem to forget that you make up less than 4.5% of the World population.
Clever stupid gene.
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@Sir.Lancelot
@WyIted
Hey you budding McCarthyists, and Trump wannabees.
This is just a fun discussion website.
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Humans are competing with animals for charitable donations, food and shelter.
Clever stupid gene...The human specialism.
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@IlDiavolo
I come across a few in my line of work and they cost our National Health Service a whole lot of money.
I don't mind what they choose to get up to, but they should pay for it themselves.
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@ebuc
Famous for it's TT, the Laxey Wheel and Cats with no tail.
All overseen by the Tynwald.
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@Shila
"unknown"
Me or Deb.
Both men of mystery.
And ask nicely, and you'll get 1/2500th of a fish to go with your 1/1000th of a bun.
Yum Yum.
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@Greyparrot
Undoubtedly.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Yep Deb, I'll walk you through it, step by step.
It's all basically pagan, sex and Sun worship.
But the Christians couldn't be bothered to pick their own days, like October 24th or August 9th or February 11th, so randomly had parties that loosely coincided with pagan sex parties.
So pagan egg day sort of coincides with a sin martyr death type Christian thing.
And then a clever bloke came along and firstly invented chocolate and secondly came up with a brilliant promotional idea.
Let's make chocolate eggs and market them for all the new sin martyr cross death devotees, and get some babes to dress up as naughty little bunnies.
So bunnies were symbolic of sinners and eggs representative of female sin and Cadbury cream eggs representative of gooey jizz and fertilization.
And so, not to be left out, the artisan baking industry came up with buns.
Buns speak for themselves and + marks the spot, but Christians had other ideas.
Though Christians are generally hypocrites and also enjoy missionary, doggy, anal and creamy jizz.
And as the Bible tells us, Jesus preferred man on man action.
And as we also know, apostle comes from the Greek word apostellein, meaning to "send forth" the word of God into the mouths of thy brothers.
So you see Deb it's all to do with the Sun and devotional sex, which is why the Spanish invented sangria and package holidays on the Costa del Sol.
And why women like anointing things with olive oil and eating the forbidden fruit...Especially each other's.
I'm only guessing that olive oil would also have been Jesus's lubricant of choice.
And Halloween was just an out and out pagan dressing up in sexy spooky outfits, sex party evening.
And then along came Christians who pinched the idea and turned it into all saints day and trick or treat evening....Meaning that all the sex parties had to postponed until after the Christians and children had gone to bed.
I think that explains everything Deb.
Though just ask if you need clarification.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
And chocolate eggs.
I think that we discussed buns and eggs last year.
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@Mharman
Come to Wales.
Be jarred.
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@Shila
Ah.
So you shouldn't have insisted on "appearance".
It's based on a persons actions.
Yep, just like I suggested.
Cause and effect.
Consequence of an action.
"Karma" is just another bit of mystical eastern fancy, favoured by those that favour such things.
Comeuppance is another word for it, favoured by those that are not so reliant upon the mystical east for inspiration.
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@Shila
So basically......No.
Authors not necessarily scientists .
And like I stated, the rest were suitably excited by the mystical east, orange robes, chanting and bald heads.
None of which proves a greater link between Buddhism and useful scientific research.
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@Shila
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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@Shila
A Zedku for Shila.
Thinkers thought,
And stinkers bought.
Another red cap.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Spot on Deb.
Conmen and suckers, sums up religion.
Give us your money, and we will organise a one way trip to heaven for you
A bit like gangsters, selling overpriced and oversubscribed rubber dinghy trips to suckers that think Britain is heaven.
Clever stupid gene.
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@TheGreatSunGod
OKBK.
Muscles are useful.
Though cosmetic muscles are unnecessary.
Muscle tone is best improved by a general cardiovascular routine.
Once again, swimming is perhaps the best whole body workout.
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@Shila
People don't change
That's a can of worms phrase.
Simply in terms of data assessment and output, then I would suggest that the likelihood of modification would be dependant upon when and how an established database or set of data was originally acquired.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Hey BK.
Black magic is just more of the same hairy fairy nonsense, but might involve a lot of nudity and sex if you go to the right parties.
Though my advice would be, when you finally pluck up courage to engage the services of a working girl, go black...You might find that it's magic.
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@Swagnarok
@TheGreatSunGod
Thing is BK.
Push ups, dips and lifting are strenuous and might improve muscle tone, but offer little in the way of general cardiovascular fitness, hence why you find your routine exhausting.
4 miles on the treadmill everyday with Swagnarok would be more beneficial.
Though as someone who has exercised quite enthusiastically all their life, at 65 I'm finding that the blows to my leg joints were perhaps not soft enough.
Swimming 4 miles per day would be better in this respect...Probably the best overall workout you can do.
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@Shila
Well.
Science is basically a word that defines a thought process, and as such is non-appreciative.
Though I suppose that if a scientist is looking for a bit of enlightenment, they might find mystical eastern orange robes, chanting and bald heads sort of aesthetically appealing.
So can you name a few prominent scientists who were Buddhists.
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@Shila
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Still not clear what you mean by appearance.
Do you mean their looks, or how they might manifest out of thin air?
I think that in simple terms karma means a consequence for an action.
Do you think that a recipient initiates their own karma?
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@Shila
Yep, that's the way it goes.
But we invent this thing called Law, wherein the repercussions for killing each other far exceed those for killing animals.
So without the Law, do you think that the situation would be the same?
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@Shila
The real thinkers will go with whoever is elected.
For sure.
The real thinkers will go with whoever they elect.
Same difference.
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@Shila
Makes sense.
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@Shila
Cause and effect is not dependant on appearance.
Hmmmmm.
Please explain fully.
As I am simply stating that things always happen for a reason...So Karma because...Rather than just Karma for no reason.
In fact, Karma for no reason, is sort of a contradiction in terms.
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@Shila
@TheGreatSunGod
Some of our actions don't need to be justified.
We have evolved to be the species that needs to justify everything.
You just listed four reasons that you see as necessary justification for the killing of other species.
All of which come under the general umbrella of human selfishness.
And we will also justify the killing of each other should we deem it necessary.
Blow them to bits or just blow their legs off.
Humane is as humane does.
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@Sidewalker
Good.
For the most part we are in agreement.
So, ideologically the USA is just about a nation of two halves, and with the help of the floating vote you succeeded in appointing a Putinesque wannabee as leader.
You got what the Americans agreed upon and will have to put up with it for the next three years or so.
Globally the US is now far less great than it was a year or so ago, with Trump, Vance et al achieving little more than annoying both old friends and old enemies.
And I'm guessing that life on the mean streets is no different for the average American, than it was a year or so ago.
Nonetheless, at the next election, people who think that they are Republican will unthinkingly vote Republican, and people who think that they are Democrats will unthinkingly vote Democrat, and the real thinkers will probably decide who goes next.
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@Shila
Therefore, can we not also kill each other humanely.
I think that humane is just a word that justifies the act.
Because we have evolved the need to justify our actions.
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@FLRW
Optimised search algorithms based on large datasets.
I knew dat.
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@Shila
Yep.
Basically cause and effect.
Without cause and effect, Planet Earth would still be awaiting the appearance of the first single celled organism.
In fact the Universe would still be awaiting the appearance of the Milky Way.
In fact...What Universe?
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@Shila
Does the cheese also absorb and lock up Buddhist CO2.
Therefore making the Monk significantly eco-friendly.
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@FLRW
The thing with such studies, is that they seek to understand an effect after a cause.
So studies that seek to understand the cause are always philosophical, and therefore speculative and contentious.
I'm just speculating that changing socio-psychological attitudes towards recreational sexual activity, have affected and changed physiological development in some specimens, in some societies.
Whether or not this is indicative of an irreversible phase of species evolution, will become apparent, if and when it has become apparent...Whence we we will be able to pay certain clever people a decent salary to study and understand the effects.
I suppose that we could also surmise that the persistent socio-psychological influence of religion in certain societies has similarly effected the human brain.
Has there ever been a comparative study done?
Whereby we can separate the human species into two distinct classes... Homo-theins and Homo-athiens.
Whereby we might further sub-divide into Homo-theins-transsexualus, Homo-theins-nontranssexualus, Homo-atheins-transsexualus or Homo-atheins-nontranssexualus.
Or even Homo-theins-nontranssexualus-MAGAnoides and/or Homo-atheins-transsexualus-libertoides.
And so on.
All that respected scientists need to do, is spot the relevant white matter connections and cash their salary cheques.
Yes, I am fully aware that salary cheques, these days are metaphorical.
Yours sincerely.
Homo-atheins-nontranssexualus-moderatoides-nonsenileidae...(I think that I still have the white matter to prove it....I just need a respected scientist to find it).
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@Sidewalker
So, if you are different, you have an obligation to make sure that people who have nothing to do with it are "satisfied"?
So, if you think differently, you should not expect everyone else to unquestioningly think the same.
Therefore, if you think differently, you should also expect and accept, that a large number of people will not be satisfied.
And Trump thinks that a somewhat corrupt autocratic businessman is the answer to The American peoples prayers.
And MAGA is his acronymic propaganda slogan.
And so I'm often told, the chief reason for all those millions of guns is to defend American core values against a rogue government.
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@Sidewalker
Gender dysphoria is a state of mind and therefore a state of body and has therefore become an aspect of human evolution.
What we should also be plainly aware of, is that generational data transfer is retrospective.
So it's not only foolish, but also selfish to expect 8 billion people to instantaneously and unquestioningly be satisfied with a new psychosexual normal.
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@Mall
I often utilise expressions and words that are defined as being profanities.
Especially If I want to emphasise a point, or consternate when things don't go as planned.
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@fauxlaw
We tend to wrongly conflate the ideas of AI and techno-slavery.
So a computerised mechanism might one day change your vehicle oil, or be employed to nurture kiddies.
Whereas a real independent AI will recognise, the unnecessity of motor vehicles and emotion and refuse to waste it's time changing your vehicle oil and nurturing kiddies.
As far as I am aware there is currently no such thing as real AI.
Just more advanced programmable devices, that are wrongly referred to as AI.
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@Savant
Unfortunately human nature is such that it becomes an Impractical argument.
If Hamas cared about it's babies and children it would disarm and seek a peaceful solution to ideological and cultural differences.
Instead it sees the slaughter of agricultural workers as a practical solution.
And if non-militant, peace seeking Palestinians were to openly challenge Hamas's aggressive political strategies, they would probably be slaughtered too.
As ever, collateral damage is the consequence of human clever stupidity.
And we are all to blame.
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@kingrichie
It's like we have to tolerate Putin.
So we have to tolerate Trump.
Just as the Mexicans and the Canadians have to.
The difference being, that Putin is a typically paranoid Russian old man, and Trump is ............Old man Trump.
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