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RatMan is a blocker.

A crazy mixed up f**ker.

Always makes me smile.

His resistance is futile

Just like the Weaker

Can't turn down the speaker.

Gotta lot to say 

But in their own pretentious way.

So what you say is boring

But they're no good at ignoring.

I would like to find a Picasso in a junk shop.

I could sell it and retire.

Certainly wouldn't want it on my wall.

Wouldn't mind a Klimt though.

"Art" is one of those all encompassing words.

Some might say that there is an art to everything.

Is art the vision or the acquired skill?

Or perhaps the vision, plus the innate skill.

Or perhaps the power to inspire

Or is it as simple as slopping a bit of colour about on a wet afternoon.

Or..........

@Theweakeredge.

I was interested to see that you are still grinding your own personal axe.

And you block because others disagree with you.

Yet, you cannot ignore others.

So perhaps you are not so confident of your own knowledge.

And books are, as we want them to do.

And you're kind of a crazy mixed up kid.

Youthful dysphoria....We've all had attacks of that.

Hormones.....Can't live without them.

Gametes....Dictatorial little buggers.

Christian, Jesus and Jew.

That would be an academic question.

A Christian is a Christian because they variously accept what they have been told.

I doubt that many Christians club members, have ever read the bible from cover to cover.....Most just have childhood recollections of the popular bits.

And GODS are/were created in various images......States the obvious really.

So, who gives her the job?

Science and nature.

Perhaps there should be a fantasy category.

Or was it a metaphorical question?

Nontrinitarian G.C.

New club....What's the dress code?

Just to give my two pennies worth, to this dumb ass thread.

Some might suggest that all murder is "wildly out of control."

And as Mr Faux implies...It's people that murder.

So statistics show....As they do.....And other statistics, show other things.

And suicide is a Japanese tradition.

And murder is a U.S. tradition.

That's culture for you.

And the Scots have bagpipes.

And the Falkland Islanders have tenuous isolation.

And guns are as guns do.

Live birth viability is based on technology.

I know I know.....It was a GOD what did it.

The technology I mean.

And the foetus is not just enclosed, but also attached and reliant.

You overlooked the attached and reliant bit.

I know I know.... A GOD and technology.

And as anyone ever stopped and asked the foetus what it thinks....Or if it cares.

And humans variously continue to do this, that and the other.

Such is the potential of gamete fusion.

Rear ended hey....Some might say, the solution to the problem.

And I love your use of metaphor.

Well.

Jesus is either the son of a GOD, or the personification of a GOD, or both.....Such is the confusion of the Christian Club version.

Nonetheless  the spread of Arabian theism all stems from the same notion of GOD.

So depending on which club one subscribes to, (or not, in my case) GOD can be both the same and/or different. (Other specialist clubs are available)

The Christian one is often envisaged as a fair skinned guy with a flowing mane of blond hair.......I would imagine that the Muslim one is generally regarded as being swarthier with curly black hair......And the Jewish one perhaps wears a black hat.

And as for Catholics and all that Virgin Mary stuff!

Your brief summary suggests to me that Dr Schlain, sort of states the obvious....And perhaps for you, is just an enigmatic confirmation of some of your own ideas.

Cynically I would say that any book these days, is primarily motivated, by marketability and target audiences, rather than the altruistic spreading of wisdom.

And for sure, attributing gender to objects is commonplace, just look at the French language for example.

As a schoolboy, I never understood the French need for such distinctions....The masculine cat, tom or she, sits in the feminine chair.....Bizarre and unnecessarily complicting, for an already conditioned realist such as myself....The cat, and the chair, will suffice.

I know, I know...Conditioned English bias.

Everyone is conditioned, but also susceptible to influence.

Conditioning is how we acquire, process and store data, particularly in our formative years.

As we get older we are less susceptible to change....Though that isn't to say that we cannot make deliberate changes to lifestyle.

Nonetheless, learned values and habits tend not to alter.

It's an automated process when all systems function correctly.

Though knowledge is not exclusively reliant upon sight

"Knowing how to see".....Yep, an artistic expression.

Seeing what you want to see....A cynical expression.

It's been a while since the old A issue reared its head.

Nothing's changed though.

Some for, some against, on the basis of varying  ideology....As ever...As everything.

Right and Wrong...Concepts derived of varying ideology....As ever.

Somebody v Somebody as ever.

All infused with hypocrisy....As ever.

Cynicism as ever.

Poetically licenced to be cynical.

Though to be fair...I probably am a tad cynical at times.

Data in, data storage, data out....Nothing fake about the process.....Just contrived variety, on the basis of the unknown.

Muslim Jew Christian (and all other minor derivatives).....You can't separate them Timmy....So no point in going there.

It's the bloke in the sky that they all nod to.

ADJECTIVE   U.S,  informal

1. Racist or Self loathing.

Joe....Asleep....Just rolled over.

Lori...Multiple agendas.

Let's all move to Tennessee.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think about "Race" other than the human race.

Though I inevitably and unavoidably consider perceivable difference in everything.....Internal Data processing.

And as an internal data output, I am pretty well conditioned, not to be discriminatory on the basis of perceivable human differences, even though I am inevitably and unavoidably aware.

The unavoidable awareness of perceivable difference, is not racist per se......Racism...is discriminating on the basis of perceivable human difference.....And I strive not to do this.

And as I see it, the O.P poses a question for consideration. 

Debate website...Hence questions.

And be as rude as you like....I'm thick skinned.

Nonetheless, I do debateart because the exercise  is mentally stimulating.

And not wishing to be too gender specific, I have always assumed that you are female...So do you not see the misogynism in old GODS.

And not wishing to be rude at all, but your take on things as described, is far too spiritual and ethereal for a conditioned realist such as myself.

Human birth, life and death and all it's machinations ..... Are (as I see it) thus far, a short phase of a process, that is material evolution.....And though I loosely subscribe to a GOD principle, I see it as no more or no less than that which perpetuates material evolution....Maybe successively and infinitely.

And If I did not care, I would not bother.

All ideologically diverged from the same fundamental, regional and cultural beginnings....For sure.

Regional and cultural beginnings that predate Abrahamic theism......As do most regional and cultural beginnings predate Abrahamic theism.

The guy that went up a mountain, got stoned, and had a chat to a supernatural entity.....For sure.

@RatMan

See above.

And:

A veritable plea to the emotions. Though have you ever compared the life and death of a domesticated farm animal, to the harsh reality of it's natural cousins life and death?

Yes....And It's not uncommon for Eagles to be kept and trained for hunting and falconry displays.....Another issue perhaps?

My dog is fed a meat based diet.....And my diet is considered and well balanced, including a small amount of meat and fish.

I'm a conditioned realist and don't easily succumb to trendy social pressures and emotional pleas.

........And Lidl and Aldi.

Same fundamental basis...Varying ideology.

Different head gear but a similar focus on genital mutilation and pork.....Not Lidl and Aldi I hasten to add.

Bicker Bicker Bicker

As my dear departed Mum used to say.

If not the thread, then I think that you've both lost the plot.

And so....GODS are not lies.....GODS are hypotheses.

A lie is a mistruth intended to deceive......Ooooops.....Was that a contradiction?

No......Not if I insert deliberate before mistruth.

And for good measure, naive before hypotheses.

Chinese atheism goes a long way to proving that religions are taught contrivances.

And American theism does the same.

Certainly proves that one can make a silk purse from a sows ear.

In the U.K.

Cricket Club and County Council.

Climate Change is generally climate change.

Though presumably, one can acronymatize anything....Just as one can make up words like acronymatize. (A la Dubya)

From now on, I will refer to you as M.M.F.

Monsieur Mc Faux.

Internal processes....Such is "wonder" and in a sexual way.

So as suggested.....Chemical processes and data management.

Or to put it another way..."Nature and nurture coalesce in our desires".

Very Tolkien.

Some might say Tolkien to the point of plagiarism.

That's a truism if ever I heard one.

I know.

You're the GND personified.....You and Joe are like peas in a pod.

Hot air from the Windy City.

I agree, but perhaps not so vehemently.

Race and discrimination are internal data assessments, activated by sensory perception.

We see and we hear, and we inevitably judge.

Though social racism is determined by effect rather than it's cause.

And we can still decide to treat each other respectfully.

I'm not sure though, if inanimate possessions are racist per se....Though some might conclude that certain objects are symbolically representative of human racism.

Though I would suggest that "some" people take pleasure in continually grinding the racist axe.

Is a can of beans racist?.....Hmmmmmm......Probably the black eyed ones for some. 

Not unless you live in the U.K.

As I said...Current demand.

Current needs and demands, dictate current policy.

GND is an attempt to address ongoing concerns, rather than ignoring them.

It must get cold in the evenings, even where you live McFaux....And how are you going to cook ya porridge and illuminate votre cave.

@RatMan

What do you mean , when you say false excuses?

I'm not seeking to excuse or justify anything.

I'm just questioning contradictory ethics, or selective morality.

Well, there was obviously a hint of China there.

I'm not sure that everyone is a "fucking racist".

But I would agree that everyone is inherently discriminatory.

Cum, roll over, and go to sleep.....Skin tone and place of origin irrelevant.

What about pre-David.

How far do we have to go back before we agree on who to blame or not.

And all  land ownership, is expropriation or theft anyway.

And who has the power to recognise?....Well, obviously the ones with the power to recognise.

So a lot of people recognise Israel as a legitimate sovereign state, and a lot do not....And so the consequences are as they are and will be ongoing.

Because the U.S. and it's allies have and never will  be able to settle the issue.

Older, please.

And youth is no guarantee of anything.

You might get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Everywhere isn't the same as the U.S.A. or Indonesia.

We should already know this much.

If U.S. organisations fired all Muslim haters there would be virtually no one left...LOL.

And Anti Semite is not the same as Anti Jew.......Not all Jews are Semites and not all Semites are Jews.

Had to be a Faux post.

Supply and current demand Mr Faux.

And what's a pipe across the Baltic got to do with the U.S.A. anyway....Other than an irresistible urge to meddle in other peoples affairs.

Perhaps it would be better to concentrate attention towards Michigan and Canada.....Sort your own stuff out as it were.

Joe or Donald or whosoever.....Wouldn't make a difference.....Supply and current demand Mr Faux.

NORTH is what we write down, and represents a global location.....Refer to it as FRED if you like.

As I said...One cannot disprove something that cannot be proven.

And anything that might be possible, will therefore comply with logic.

Possibilities are logical, but may or may not be achievable....This is also logical.

And similarly anything that might defy currently known law, will comply with a newly discovered law.....Even if that is a GODS law of inconsistency.

Neither did a GOD.

That would have been someone with the ability to transcribe and transliterate.

Exactly

Though I regard the Biblical Adam and Eve as an analogy.

I apparently have a Roman nose and the origins of my surname are Germanic, so in terms of selective ancestry, you can refer to me as Herr Zedicus.

Though I have never felt the need to research my ancestry, but  it would  fun to do one of those DNA tests to determine my biogeographical ancestry.

Who did they buy the land from?

And "Jews" otherwise known as human beings,  as ever, lived and live all over the World.

And legitimacy is fine, if you only have to agree with yourself....With U.S military support of course.

Planet Earth is a place of people....As is the Arabian Peninsular....Everywhere is legitimate.