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Notwithstanding exaggeration.

Moon cycles is probably best bet.....Especially before the movements of the Earth relative to the Sun became an accepted fact.

That would put old Thusey in his seventies.....Probably a ripe old age for the time.

Perfectly done.

Physical abuse and reprimand is an inherent and perhaps inherited modus operandi....Supposedly outdated....But seemingly unoutdateable.

Depending upon context, we are all, both enthralled by aggression and it's consequences, or appalled by it.

Our interpretations and opinions thereof,  can therefore have a tendency to be contradictory.

@Theweakeredge.

Philosophy is science is chemistry is an omelette..

Acquire, store, manipulate data, output and evolve.

Season well.

And a soul might be something or nothing at all.

Human essence, perhaps.

 I'm one of the 99.9%.

@RatMan

Interesting how  both you and Theweakerone, were not able to cope with my input into that thread.

I put it down to modern conditioning.

Mention the P word and some people seem programmed to overreact. 

@RatMan.

As one gets older, one finds youthful exuberance a tad childish.

Phenomenal would have been just fine on it's own.

Nonetheless, I apologise.

Myth is naive hypothesis.

"A story that can't be proven" in other words......People and places are usually taken from reality, but the introduction of super-nature does limit a stories chances of ever being proven, wholly correct.

A soul, as an independent entity, is also a myth........And also reliant upon super-nature.

Nonetheless....The soul as a physiological component, is perhaps it's own metaphor.

You old rapper, you.

Is there no end to this Man's talents?

What is a conservative/libertarian?

And a consequentialist is just another one of those worthless philosophical ists.

Justification for over-think and getting paid for it probably. (Therein lies the worth I suppose)

All very Machiavellian.

@RatMan

On a phenomenalness scale of 1 to 10.

Where does "fucking  phenomenal" come in relation to just plain old phenomenal?

1. Slightly phenomenal

2. Reasonably phenomenal

3. Nicely phenomenal

4. Phenomenal

5. Marvellously phenomenal

6. Supremely phenomenal

7. Erotically phenomenal

8. Fucking phenomenal

9. Rapturously phenomenal

10. Orgasmically phenomenal

Choice is about as good as it gets.

Nonetheless.

One is either determined to make a choice or deliberately makes a choice.....Is that free will?

One never randomly chooses, as choice is by definition not random, but optional.

Even instinct is inherited.

Nonetheless.

The independent mass, is.

And it could be said that free will is directly relative to it's independence, rather than to its inherited functionality.

Sail the oceans

Soar the skies

To foreign lands 

To patronize.

Time to go

Had enough

Forgot this job 

Was so tough

So what d'ya expect

When you export war

Other than

Blood and gore

Nonetheless boys.................... (And girls etc)

You're a hero

Even though

All amounts to zero

And all the while

Vlad and Ping

Keep an eye

And smile and grin

Same old

Lesson learned?

No, same old 

Fingers burnt.

And intel says

What intel does

Propaganda

As it ever was.

The answer to everything should be 0.

Nice one.

I've got a nephew wo lives in Norway somewhere.

Hey.

I'm on there too

Didn't realise there was one, until you said. (Somewhat unobservant of me)

Congrats.

I'm a meist, by definition.

"I were shocked"

Vey rural English.

Do you live in Somerset?

One assumes that you mean TikTok and not Tick Tock the Crocodile.

It's content is it's result, which is the nature of the medium.

On...Off....It's your choice.....Something that people seem to revel in forgetting though.

Hopefully every Earth day is reasonably happy for us.

Though the Earth itself is probably indifferent.

@Theweakeredge

Mr Faux if just fine in his self-sufficient backwoods sanctuary....And too old to worry about the future.

And certain that salvation will come in the form of a Republican GOD.

Just jibing Mr F.

Since Mr Ethan departed, there has been a lack of a good, thick skinned jibe opponent......Most of these youngsters are far too sensitive.

Regards.

How do you quantify "indirectly".

I would suggest that evolution is development, and it's properties emerge directly, even if causation is random rather than predestined.

So how do you overcome the something from nothing principle?

A theist/deist will often just say, because a GOD is eternal.....Which really is, just avoiding a pertinent question that doesn't have an answer.

One might just as well say therefore, that everything is eternal...... And not bother with the GOD bit.....Still avoiding a pertinent question without an answer.

Though, A GOD principle (not to be confused with a deity) is either nothing or something, and also something from nothing, and perhaps also sequentially something. 

But is there a satisfactory answer to the pertinent question?

I suppose that it could be said, that everything is an emergent property of evolution.

And belief is a deceptive and often a glibly used word.....Belief is based either, upon  an assumption, a lie, or certainty of fact.....Though if it is the latter then it ceases to be a belief.

Nonetheless, one does propose, rather than believe,  that evolution is an emergent property of a GOD principle, and a GOD principle is an emergent property of evolution.

And isms are/ were popular philosophical suffixes.....And achieve interesting intellectual discussion, but very little else.

Ismism if you like.

How quaint and naive.

Well...Blasphemy is  obviously in a dictionary, and is as defined.

So I'm not sure at all, if blasphemy is necessarily, necessary or relevant when considering evolution.

And evolution being theoretical (just like religion), clearly allows for a variation in appreciation and interpretation.

And may I say that your own quaintness, is a welcome addition to Debateart.

@Theweakeredge

You had already proved mine.

@RatMan

No one is actually a "Flat Earther".....Everyone knows that the Earth is spheroid. 

Some people pretend to be different.....And there's nothing wrong with a bit of harmless pretence.

It's when we stone people on the basis of pretence....That we should start to worry.

And make a relevant map, and Cube Earth would be ok..

And what does the underside of the disc look like?

And if one flew across the underside, would one be upside down or the right way up?

And how deep are the sides of the disc?

And how deep can the sides of the disc be, before it cedes to cylindricity? 

And who controls the light switch.....LOL.

What say you Ratty?    (Wind in the Willows).

Yep....Take history, go back and stop where suits best.

Maybe it all stops in Africa somewhere.

But I'm not up to date with anthropological trends.

Red hair....Perhaps there's a bit of Orangutan in there somewhere.....Begorrah.

If I have a moment to spare, I will watch an episode.

Read above and you will see that I do not necessarily run with perchance randomness.

And blasphemy is a religious concept.....And I suppose concerns someone of your "Ilk".

And if religion isn't a contrived theory, then I don't know what is.

Yep...I get that.

Not a million miles away from what I refer to as the universal sequence....Whereby the GOD principle is that which re-establishes or reinitiates the infinite possibility of matter and existence.

But ultimate knowledge and material development, rather than a floaty about bloke.

Worship seemingly necessary though, as a means of moving knowledge forwards.

And us...No more or less the matter of the universe that we developed from.... Here to further the purpose and development of matter, to re-establish the GOD principle and reinitiate the sequence.

So do you think that there never was a beginning and never will be an end?

@Theweakeredge

My assertion, was your obvious contradiction.

So, I don't need to substantiate my assertion.

As your obvious contradiction, obviously substantiates my assertion.

It's obviously there to substantiate, in black and white.

And rather than conflate, I was merely pointing out that G was (and still is in fact), vilified in just the same way as P.......Perhaps you're to young to remember.... Though a learned person should be aware of these facts.

I think perhaps that you are overly worried about being seen to step outside of current PC conventions.

Read and ignore.

@Theweakeredge.

Homophobia?

And sexual attraction is just that....And will only manifest as sexual expression.....See your above  #101.

Sorry, but just pointing out your obvious contradiction.

And sorry if it rattled you a bit......Hopefully, that's something you will eventually learn how to cope with internally, rather than with unfounded criticisms and accusations.

I would suggest that your daughters ongoing behaviour was to a greater extent, dictated by the factors I cited above.

And as to the cause and effect theory......What caused GOD?

I would suggest that Man caused GOD....Because Man inevitably came up with the notion that GOD caused Man.

@Theweakeredge

Informed consent, that's a separate and multi-faceted argument....And not directly relative to your comments.

Nonetheless, the highlighted comment, clearly threw up an obvious contradiction in your  ongoing data output.

What's sauce for the goose is not necessarily sauce for the gander, as it were......You require jam on everything.

Those were the days.....It's mostly all talk now.

And yes we do/did get the Big Bang Theory over here......Not that I've ever seen it......Not that I watch much TV at all.

@RatMan.

"Fubnily enough"

People did once believe that the Earth was a flat disc.

But people did eventually work out, that the Earth was in fact  a spheroid.

Just liked sensible people, also worked out, that the Arabian Tales were a naive and illogical creation hypothesis.

Just like people have worked out and done all sorts of other things, that were never mentioned in Tales from Arabia.

What is real money?

Isn't money just a representation of something that eventually manifests as a reality.

No money, represents an inability to buy food, which eventually manifests as the reality of hunger.

Money represents greed, which eventually might manifest as the reality of a triple heart bypass.

Did you ever see the movie, In Time.

A somewhat glib statement..........Especially coming after the preceding statement.

Nonetheless:

We are also somewhat ordered by evolution, and conditioned by the past and limited by our physiology. So whether or not, we ever have total freedom of choice is debateable.

I quite like the Islamic version....All those virgins.

Drone strike me down with a laser guided bomb.

So why are you not prepared to bestow choice and freedom upon Mr or Mrs P.

Selective morality relative to social trends and pressures, that's why......Exactly the same way that we used to treat Mr and Mrs LGBT.

But of course LGBT is now bang on trend, and social pressures have somewhat reversed.

Such is the fickle nature of humanity.

@Theweakeredge

The mind, is the brain switched on and functioning.

The spirit, is a product of the mind, when the brain is switched on and functioning. 

Too much liberty doesn't get things done.

Me.

Everywhere is broke and in debt. 

We must owe the Martians a Universal fortune.

I can't think who else we might owe all this money to.

Think about it.....Money is a make believe system of global control.

Though, who or what controls it, I don't know.

And the moral of the story is Bucky.

Never wear a long raincoat whist riding a bike.

Right time, right place.....And a substance enhanced creation hypothesis expounded by charismatic shamans....Notably the guy who went up a mountain, tripped, and reputedly chatted with a GOD.

If it happened today we would laugh them out of town.....The laughable thing is though, people are still desperate to believe the tosh of a mystical past.

Such is the power of data transfer......And such is the need of people, for supernatural salvation.

Oh...A little bit of Anglo, Irish American blarney.

I suspect that Trump was also KIng, once upon a time Doc.

Pokemon would probably contravene  copyright.

Cockadoodledoo sounds good.....With a big tall proud Cock as a trademark.

Some of these kids have too much on their hands.....Time that is.

To be fair.

Stephen does find an awful lot to "Cherry Pick".

Presumably, because there is an awful lot to "Cherry Pick".

Which, and also to be fair.....Is probably only to be expected......Given the haphazard nature of the texts concerned.