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Perhaps he was wearing a hood.

Is a central tenant a person that rents the apartment in the middle?

Apologies...But this mistake made me chuckle.

And mixing text and numbers can sometimes be confusing.

Do you mean God2, as opposed to oneself.

Or God2, as opposed to God1 or God3 etc.

Or do you mean God too.

Though in the first instance....If you pray...You have only presumed that something other than yourself, is interested in your prayer.

Starting to live up to the name.

Solipsism is self defeating anyway.

Because to transfer such data relies upon experiences that exceed the self.

0 anything.

Undoubtedly.

Very Ebucian.

I personally don't think that there was anything particularly rational or intelligent about Trade's opening eulogy.....Though let me balance that by not attempting to invalidate the sanctity of their freedom to express.

Nonetheless, I've sort of lost my train of thought, in respect of this discussion.....But I'm certain that in context, my submission was wholly pertinent.

Yep, and I instigated a similar thread.

And you didn't wish Janesix a Happy Easter when she asked you a polite question.

The dichotomy that is religion, dictates that wishing a diverse audience a Happy Easter, was never going to be that simple.

And begorrah Doc!....A four letter word.

Hey Mr Conspiracy Theorist.

Do you think that Queeny wanted to be the first to reach a hundred?

Yeah but, Mommy already stole that crown.

Perhaps the old guy did just succumb to the ravages of time.

What did the Old Drone of a Duke ever do for us?........Not a f**king lot.

The Royals are bad enough.....But the sycophants!

And hours of tedious sycophantic TV to avoid for the next month or so.

Not that TV isn't mostly tedious any way.

Not that I'm necessarily knocking the whole nominal and historic  Head of State thing...But the privilege and importance bestowed upon the family and hangers on does somewhat take the p**s.

Trouble is...So many people continue to fall for it.

Such is the purpose of  the workers I suppose.

@RatMan

Is Debateart good, constructive breakfast time amusement or what?

Not to be taken quite so seriously.

"Should probably"

Every time I see this in the Forums listing, I cannot help thinking that "probably" is surplus to requirements, if not grammatically inappropriate.

Should be.....Or.....Probably will be.

Interesting to come back to this debate and see how it has evolved into a discussion about sexuality and sexual proclivity.

Sex....No matter how one fantasises or what one's  preferences are....Still the same old internal drive.....Modus operandi largely irrelevant.

Big black dick master.....Whatever floats ones boat.......It's only a "whole mess of fucked up"  if you constantly worry about how other people  choose to operate.

It always amuses me, that the morally self-righteous are usually the ones with sexual depravity constantly on their minds.

Good morning China.

Maybe seasonal then.

Equinoxes and Solstices have long since been (Pagan) festivals.

Popular modern religions also have a tendency to cling to their Pagan heritage.

1. Human choice or action is driven by internal data manipulation, resultant of past events (acquisition/conditioning).

2. Past events were........ And exist only as record or memory, which we control.

3. All decisions are made upon the above basis.....So all barring physiological malfunction, it is impossible to function spontaneously.

Therefore, from my perspective, "free will" amounts to the ability to internally make informed choices, without external interference.

Maybe not in this thread, but certainly in a previous discussion.

1. So are you saying that you are a nihilist, and that objective morality has all been a ruse?

2. And are you also saying that you are not always skirting around issues arising from the basis of your ideological conditioning?

For a change, have a go at answering these two questions directly.

Your wealth status and security, are the result of a society and social interaction....

And you did "speak" about the financial benefits you accrued under the Trump Administration.

For sure, how you fair within that social framework, is largely down to your capabilities as an individual.

But as you previously stated, your recent financial failures and successes were dependant upon how your society was governed.

If you need heart surgery tomorrow, will you be sorting that out, all by your self?

Maybe your wife is a surgeon and some other family member is an anaesthetist...And perhaps you have a fully equipped theatre and recovery unit tucked away in the backwoods.

I doubt it though......Like most of us, you would expect the help of a greater society.

@Theweakeredge

2D is a concept.

In a 2D universe without thought, there is nothing.

Though in attempting to represent a 2D universe, one inevitably evokes a 3rd dimension.

@RatMan.

Et, tu Brute?

Nonetheless:

What, about the above statement is not correct?

Maybe "near truism" just isn't a moot point.

Try not to flog dead horses.

Though debate is not necessarily about factuality, but more so about effectivity.

As I've suggested before, why not change your name.

Try something like.........Undaunted or Indefatigable.

Undefeatable, is perhaps tempting fate.

Racist is a generic term for recognising and responding to, perceivable differences........ So we are all racist to a  certain degree.

Racism has  come to be, largely associated with perceivability of skin tone and inherent nationalism.

Racism has also become a political agenda, derived of the above.

I am reasonably proud of British diversity.

But I must confess, that though I outwardly embrace British diversity...I am still inwardly aware of certain inherited inconcruities.

I think that my children are less so.......Such is  the slow tick of social evolution.

Some would question the social morality, of basing a Presidents success upon ones personal wealth.

Some might drag up the old chestnut of....Making the rich richer at the cost of the not so well off.

Me...I have a tendency to be both cynical and realistic.....So the above is purely observational, rather than critical.

I realise that it's human nature to take what you can when you can.

The trouble with a diverse society, is diverse loyalties.

As a Monk and a President once said.....But you can't please all of the people all of the time.

@RatMan

Well, as I just stated, I do not prescribe a RBE.

I simply compared RBE with a monetary system.

I share the same issue with communism and pure socialism.......Both theoretically impossible and impractical......As natural human hierarchy, dictates social structure.

Art and Good Food are the aspirations of a developed species and it's developed society....In terms of social and intellectual evolution, we've moved on a tad from simply survival of the fittest.

Though I would suggest, that such inherent qualities are still what underpin modern social structure......We can only care, if we have the strength and ability to care.

@RatMan

Well, someone is always going to win the race.....That's human nature.

Doesn't matter how you dress up the system, there's always going to be winners, runners up and losers.

I would suggest, that a fair and equal footing, doesn't even start a birth.

So what actually is your argument?

I certainly remember you referring to me as a nihilist, for the above reason.

@RatMan.

Well, I don't prescribe anything new.

I run with the current system, and care relative to my ability to care, as defined by my status within said system.

I was pointing out to 3RU7AL, that caring is just fine, but a society based on caring rather than a society based upon money isn't where we live or ever likely to be where we live.

Well, certainly not for the foreseeable future.

If we were a truly caring society,  then what point money anyway?

If we were truly caring we would realise that money is a tool of human hierarchy and selfishness.

Universal Basic Income......But don't take a slice of my pie, as Mr Waters wrote.

When push comes to shove....Who actually cares about you, and who do you actually care about, when it impacts upon your pockets?

And being seen to be caring or being paid to be caring......And actually being caring......Are two separate things entirely.

Money....... Survival of the fittest without the big stick I suppose.....Not that that can be guaranteed.

It's impossible to figure out what is actually going on.

Matter, suggests a creation event a long time ago, way before popular Arabian GOD hypotheses.

And anyway, BIG BOOM nor Floaty about bloke GOD, can overcome the fundamental contradiction that is,  something from nothing or infinite existence.

Though, something from nothing, negates the Floaty Bloke as the ultimate creator..... And infinite existence, negates the need for a Floaty Bloke as an ultimate creator.

So BIG BOOM......But what went BOOM and why?

And whether or not the Arabian Tales actually correspond with some sort of extra-terrestrial intervention, or just mark a significant turning point in human evolution, is debateable......But nonetheless, the debate defies a whole lot of subsequently acquired logic.

Take the old-speak of the bible for example.....What's the current point of all that old "baloney"?

With respect.

I would suggest that the above phenomena is wholly the property of your internal data base.

I would further suggest that the properties of the solar system are dictated by physical laws, and as such, things are as they are.

This is not to say that universal and physical laws do not have an impact upon you.....Your existence is testament to this fact.

And chakras are a testament to your need to read more into things, than is probably necessary.

Nonetheless, whatever evokes positivity, is probably beneficial to you.

I find it beneficial not to overly concern myself with such things.

Regards.

Yep.

Janesix is correct.

Christianity and associated Arabian Tales, have a tendency to utilise previous ideas.

Which in fairness, is only to be expected.

Christian Easter, may celebrate the Jesus resurrection myth, but is underpinned by preceding astrology and associated beliefs.

Just like Christmas.

Happy Easter Doc......Hope you got a nice lot of eggs.

So you have run out of logical argument then?

Not to worry.....Just throw in a non-sequitur non-sequitur or two......As you do.

Correct me if I am wrong.

But you are the one promoting objective morality.

And I see you are still promoting, the old nihilism chestnut.....Based upon Tarik's definition, that anyone who doesn't agree with Tarik's take on objective morality, is a nihilist.

Once again, correct me if I am wrong.

So, instead of the same old circular argument........Unequivocally prove, the fundamental basis of Tarik's objective morality.

Nope...Misinterpretation.

You instigated the contention, and I responded.

If one has an established pattern of behaviour/way of thinking, then "rejection" of such, is simply a matter of changing or varying ones out look....Usually in response to something.

You make an unnecessary emotional plea, with with words like rejection.

I do not reject the concept of  morality and cast it into the wilderness......I still maintain a personal code of conduct/morality towards others and towards my environment. 

Just pointing out you debating style......Which is obviously reflective of your intellect....But  might or might not be reflective of your character.

Nonetheless, your debating style tends not to vary much, and is therefore predictable.....And probably, nor does, and so is mine.....And nor does, and so is everyone else's, I suppose.

And I find that people shut you down, either, when they run out of logical argument, or if their argument is based upon illogic in the first place.

Nope.

You purposefully find contradiction where none exists....For the sake of argument, I assume.

Nonetheless.

We internally develop and establish a code of conduct or morality.....(Refer to such words and define them as you will)

A code of conduct/morality influenced formatively by our personal environment, and latterly by a wider environment. 

So nothing is set in stone.....Output varies, relative to where and how we were conditioned, and also to how we are influenced. 

In simple terms, we behave as we have become.

Acceptance and rejection are philosophical considerations. Only for when we are so focussed.

Can consciousness exist without energy?

Or is consciousness, perhaps  a symbiosis  of data and energy?

Therefore ultimately able to transcend the organic and the techno.

The GOD principle in other words.....Freely existent.

Therefore, all matter posses remnants of GOD...Memory.

To be re-created.

That which will sustain a universal sequence.

GOD creates life, and life will recreate GOD.

But do not confuse GOD with the bearded fellow of archaic tales.....A GOD created in our own image, as it were. 

Is that a Chinese Christian festival of commemorating the dead....If not why do you do it at a coincidental time of year?

And so.

Today's the day we celebrate all those special, seasonal chocolate treats, and give thanks to all those that contribute towards their production 

When I was little, I got sent to Church on Easter Sunday mornings.....(Mum and Dad had a lie in...Hypocrites...LOL)

Where I would sit and dream of Chocolate Eggs.

Is a reasonable human based representation of a GOD principle.....I'll give you that much.

Though one might suggest that, pure logical, data/energy does not necessarily need to be aware......Just sequentially correct.

Nice.

Look it up wise guy.

Philosophically (See above forum classification) nihilism is the rejection of purpose and meaning in respect of existence.

You are quoting definition out of context...... Go to the religious forum, if you wish to discuss religious morality.

People neither accept nor reject morality....People live by an acquired code of conduct......A code of conduct that others my not agree with, and vice versa.

@RatMan

Numbers were devised as a system/method of representation and calculation.  A number is therefore not irrational, if it is effective as such.

Terminology is only for terminologies sake.....This is a truism.

Mr A is probably Trypanophobic.

So as long as they can slip a strawman or non-sequitur into there argument, it will temporarily  assuage their fears.

Though, good debating isn't necessarily about being honest..........It's about effectivity.

Covid, blood clot, cancer, heart failure.....You gotta go some time.

Choices, choices.

Well stated.

The Jesus tale, is an archaic morality tale created by men for men.

And nowadays more or less, relevant or irrelevant depending upon the degree of religious oppression one is formatively subjected too.

And a GOD principle might be pertinent to human  existence.....But why would it be that stupid?

Probably an example of no design.

Just development and physiological anomaly.

Does the same apply to the anomalies of the transsexual?

Nope, don't buy it.

How long have we had?....And we're still as imperfect as we ever were.

We've made a mess of the planet and continually fight and argue, and the religiously self righteous are no better in this respect.

Singing hymns on a Sunday, and reading the Bible before bedtime, cannot disguise the imperfections of the righteous.

Sounds like you're wishfully expecting a bright Jehovian future.

The future is bright....The future is techno.

Anyone who won't change their mind is a bigot.

Bigotry is just as much the assumption of the recipient,  as it is, the output of the opinionated commentator.

Bigots tend to refer to bigots as bigots, and vice versa.

Blocking is an immature strategy.

Theweakerone blocked me too, simply because I continued to disagree with them,

Rather than the ongoing big test.

Why not just make perfect humans in the first place.

Sounds like GODDO  is just playing a big game to me.

Maybe that's it!

As I said.

You elicit a response.

I've got this mental image, of an old Leprechaun sitting in a rocking chair on a veranda, typing mistake after mistake into their device, because they can't find their spectacles.

Top of the morning to ya Doc.