zedvictor4

Reality is reality....And facts are facts.

We perceive, determine and conclude facts only by internally processing data.

For you and I to be aware of and utilise factual data, we must personally input and process said data.

In a World  without consciousness, everything would be meaningless.

@RatMan

Depends upon how tight it is.

And how one minces.

And a touch of make up maybe.

And a Goucho moustache always looks good.

And maybe a touch of pink.

When is the English language not the English language?

Politely...As ever.

Well......Starting at the end and working backwards.

1. Popular Religions are huge claims..... And ultimately cannot be defended....You cannot prove the existence of a specific GOD.

2. For sure, people are easily programmed to be fanatical and more or less arrogant.

3. The weight of support rests upon social programming..... Social programming does not validate wording though.

4a. To assume to know the unknowable is arrogant....But magical blokes is a fantasy explanation, in the absence of knowledge....Doesn't matter how you dress it up.

5. Everything is an opinion....Or more precisely, subject to an individual data management process.

6. You follow, and I currently follow the Tour de France...Data input, process, store and variously output.

4b. And I cannot explain the unknowable....A GOD principle explains a universal purpose....Though everything might be pure chance.

Though there is the option of a chanceful and successive GOD principle....An idea that I find interesting.

Nonetheless, to prove any such hypothesis, one must first overcome the something from noting obstacle.

And the same applies to theistic hypotheses....To simply ignore is arrogant.

Everything in ones life is predicated on ones decisions....Or more precisely, on how one processes data.

Stating a fact is repetition... Nonetheless, repeating said fact is reliant upon internally processing the data, and deciding upon a response.

Therefore your decision will always be a subjective process....Based on or influenced by personal feelings. Oxford  Dictionaries.

Everything that you input, process and output is personal.

Well "typically", the central figure of Christianity is Jesus Christ.

And "ordinary" is what?....Given the schism and diversity of Christianity.

And the World Council of Churches is a bunch of pious folk, that presume to know something special.

As do all theists generally.

Perhaps the LDS just aren't prepared to pay the subscription fees.

Yes.

I dallied with Buddhism in my twenties.

But Buddhism like any other devotion, seemed to want to strive to achieve what it set out to achieve by striving to achieve.

And as with any other devotional ideology, this involved a whole lot of social and community ritualism and expectancy.

Truly content people do not have an ideology as such

They just have a perfunctory existence.

Which I suppose all comes down to formative data conditioning.

Attempting to re-programme by deciding to become a Buddhist for example.

Is like jumping out of one rut, only to slip into another.

It all depends upon who does the considering and who decides properness.

Who does?

Janesix is correct.

American Presidents are nominally the head of State, and the global representative thereof.

It would be foolish of you to think that they made all their own decisions.

And dementia to some degree, is an inevitable consequence of old age. 

So what do you expect?....Rhythmic Gymnastics....LOL.

And you should also have learnt from the last guy that old age is also no guarantee of common sense.

Hey put your trust in 4x4 driving, six packing, assault rifle wielding, baseball cap wearing, backwoods rednecks why don't ya....They'll no what to do.

Now where did I get that stereotype from?

Good observation.

Whereas there is clearly and upward trend in other regions......Economically, technologically and militarily.

Content is just a derivative of a database.

"Polar opposites" is just an example thereof.

All input and output relies upon an internal process.

Your output is ultimately your decision, therefore always subjective, irrespective of how the content might be subsequently judged.

I am from what is generally regarded as the British Isles.....Or the not so United Kingdom.

People have a tendency to think that they are different. Which in respect of individuality and acquired data concepts is obviously true.

Though tenuous lines on a map, which represent fictitious lines on the ground, still only separate in respect of acquired data concepts.

And sex and lust and sensuality and sin, are synonymous with procreation and the inherent and acquired internal data thereof.

And if there is a conscious GOD....I doubt that it is bothered by the whacky stuff that we get up to on this tiny bit of space rock.

And in terms of "making".

I would suggest that a GOD principle might be responsible for humans, and humans are definitely responsible for GODS. 

Ok.

 

So based upon World geography, you have an acquired sense of race and difference, and an acquired data base....Same as us all I suppose.

And  you're from in or around the Arabian Peninsular which encompasses various States depending upon where one chooses to draw a line.

And you choose to label with the name of the divergent Abrahamic sect known as Islam.

Do you also sub-label in respect of a schismatic branch of Islam? 

I personally prefer the label realist, and attempt to be as realistic as is achievable....So obviously this negates a dependency on believe or faith in the unknowable.

I therefore see no intellectual value in naive 2000 year old creation hypotheses. Though there is obviously a sketchy historical record that can be appreciated.

For me GOD is the principle that gives purpose to everything, and popular religions are just old and out dated explanations of this.

Did a bloke chat with a GOD up a mountain?

And notwithstanding the chiselling logistics...You would at least expect GOD to provide at least a few paper copies.

And then an unspecified number of years later along came other blokes who decided to do things slightly differently.

And ever since then, other blokes (and women when allowed) came along, and again thought that doing things slightly differently would be better.

Such is the generational transfer of data and the slow modification thereof.

So GOD is never a lie.

God is variously an interpretation of that which is unknowable.

And ritualistic add-ons, are just some examples of the whacky things that hominids do to pass the time of day.

So go for it.

I prefer cycling and gardening.

And within the next 30 years I expect to die and be returned to the component parts of the Universe.

And I also expect, that this is what will eventually happen to you.

But who knows?

Certainly not you or I.

Yep. I agree.

Contentment is internal.

Though a truly content person ceases to consider that which is not necessarily achievable.

Love is an overused word, that can be used to accompany any positive response to a stimulus.....Unless you are playing tennis of course.

Exactly Stephen.

Definition is.

But definition is arrived at.

Arriving at any decision demands the input, process and output of data....Even reading a dictionary.

You only know what is written in a dictionary because you are able to internally process the written data.

Therefore irrespective of content, all output is personal, and so by definition all output is subjective. 

I haven't exploded yet.

And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

To be honest Stephen.

GOD/GODS are all made up anyway.

And conditioned intolerance and violence are a fact of life.

Old Osama and the family didn't even get chance to put their pants on.

And some Muslims stereotype Other Arabianists.

And some Other Arabianists stereotype Muslims.

And all the Muslims that I know, just want to chat about the same things that I want to chat about.

News is propaganda, so what do you expect?

Absolute truth....LOL.

Wouldn't the World be boring if everyone was honest?

One mans patriot is another mans tyrant.

So, thank goodness for democracy and a constitution.

After all, a good republican should also be a good democrat.

A republican that isn't also a democrat, therefore aspires to tyranny.

And democrats that aren't democrats, aren't democrats.

The lasting image from the last election is the old guy in the parking lot, his head streaked with sweat and dye.

The orange guy is largely forgotten now.

On reflection, quite a few.

I'm a little surprised that you don't.

Though conditioning creates limits for us all.

On the other hand....Not wishing or trying to understand would be indicative of conditioned intolerance.

Nonetheless,  more than any other label, I prefer realist, and therefore accept conditioned intolerance for what it is.

Do you accept the validity of alternative points of view?

I do.

So wherefrom did you originate?

Are you avoiding the question?

This is what you stated.

I never say "britian" Doc.

You tell me.

You're the one separating objectivity from basic function and process.

Anyway it's refreshing....You that is.

And we're only here to argue.

Agreement is nice, but not as entertaining.

So where do you originate from, as your English is too good. 

Conditionees are.

That said though, conditionees aren't necessarily right.

Who is to say what is actually right or wrong.......A fantasy guy?.....A charlatan?

Conditioned morality is just that.

And "she" is either conditioned or not.

Maybe so.

Theirs or there's?

Though a separate external  process was your proposition.

Such is your limit then?

It's a well known phenomena...Little guys need big trucks and big guns.

Big guys are already packing and don't need a psychological extension.

And Trolls live in Scandinavia.

What does it matter?

And really, being in the top10, should be and intelligence based achievement.

My position is relative to my intelligent allocation of available time.....Or more importantly not wasting it.

Bye.....Must dash....More important matters to attend to.

Wylted obviously has nothing better to do.

Trade.

A bit of nouveau passive aggression there.

And theists are logical?

Did you hear me snigger?

People will always kill people....Guns or not....That's not the argument....You're just stating the obvious in defence of the obvious.

Boys with big guns, because they're too embarrassed by the size of their dicks to masturbate in public....LOL.

Just don your cammo Boys and go find a nook in the backwoods.....Leisure shooting as it were.

And Girls....Get a dildo....Less dangerous, cheaper and ultimately more fun.

Make love, not war...As someone once said.

What everything really.

9 emissions of worthless bollocks, of self-contained worth.

Such are your limitations then.

And so similarly and  notwithstanding variability of output, how do logic and reason differ from any other internal data management process?

Good answer.

Which one is second greatest Doc?

I think that the Greeks invented Democracy a few thousand years before.

And just about every other claim you made is inaccurate.

So you're biased.

So you should be.

@RatMan.

Blatancy is no guarantee of anything.

Bullshit is usually blatant.

So what would a President preside over?

Other than the glory of their own Presidency.

TopMan is the one with their finger over the on/off button.

Manipulated by a 2000 year old  Arabian ideology.....Without choice......Basic tenet, different club etiquette.

Same old, same old.

Such is the predictability of the human computer.

Head filled with nonsense as my dear old Dad would say.

To be fair though...It's got to be full of something....Hunter gathering  and day to day survival has long since ceased to be our main preoccupation.

Though I expect that even back then, we used to give the Sun, Moon and Stars the occasional nod.

And then, some several thousand or so, years later...... Lo and Behold...... Some guy meets this GOD bloke up a mountain.....You just couldn't make it up, could you?

So where's this GOD "Being" then?

Christians don't seem to know.

Though these days, some Arabianists try and to play down the "Being" thing.

Here today and gone tomorrow....All knowledge dissipated in an instant.....Most probably....Though I would happily be proved wrong.

But I bet you can't.

You constantly say these things.

But never back it up with an explanation.

So:

Where specifically does your objectivity emanate from?

I agree with Both of you.

We have very varying tastes.

What "sucks" for some, hits the spot for others.

Orangemanbad  fuckery.

That's an Irish condition.

That spread from the Low Countries.

To the U.S.

A bit like a virus.

I guess.

Yep, a good song and tune, that will always stimulate a positive internal reaction if done reasonably well.