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Is an emotional plea.

No decent person wants to murder babies....Check your dictionary Mr Overblow.

Terminating an unwanted pregnancy, is a rational response to a real situation....And the provision, availability and parameters of induced abortion, should dictated by a State protocol.

The morning after pill is best bet...No different to pissing it naturally down the pan.

Spontaneous abortion as it is known.

Well....Stevie is particularly gender neutral .

I would have thought.

And your composition is usually poetic in structure.

Live their lives eat their pies

Could have been a Floydian rhyme.

And I claim to be me

A father of two.

And offense is in the head of the beholder

And I've learned not to behold 

But to jest in honesty.

And feminists wave 

As Stevie waves 

As the drowning wave

As we all wave

As the waves roll mercilessly back and forth.

I like it.

Probably.

And I mean that sincerely.

You seem to be saying the same as me, but in your own inimitable way.

Events, duration and the ability to perceive.

I never said he was. 

I merely hypothesised a secondary fantasy scenario.

But let's be honest.....The Bible doesn't actually  say that he wasn't gay....So any  assumption of a characters unspecified sexuality, is therefore what it is.

And furthermore, the actual basis of the Jesus character is uncertain....Though there is a strong suggestion, that it was based upon a real person.

A real person with unspecified sexual motives.

Your choice is your right to choose Doc....Though  your choice is clearly fashioned by your conditioned belief rather than a logical analysis of the information.

The honest outcome of analysis is:

Jesus might or might not have been based upon a real person...Therefore said person or character  might or might not have displayed homosexual tendencies, or have been attributed a sexuality by it's creators.

And you can not emphatically state otherwise, with any factual certainty....Obstinacy is what it is.

The outcome of conditioned obstinacy is:   

It means.

Humans have a tendency to care about what they think about, and some humans have a tendency to care more than others....The right and the wrong of it, is as conceptual as the tendency to care is....After all, morals are just make believe.

Rearing livestock for consumption is an evolutionary phenomena, so could rightly be regarded as a natural process, as could be the current trends of human conceptual sensitivity....but once again neither, is either universally right or universally wrong.

And attempting to meddle with evolved natural processes, is more of the same....I'm not sure how one would enforce a meat free diet upon a wild Lion....Without depriving said Lion of it's wildness.

But that said....As human greed and insatiable requirements  burgeon. the World is slowly and inevitably  becoming a Zoo.....Yet another dilemma for the moral conceptualists to worry about.

Well.

Suggesting that pro-choice is therefore always pro-abortion is disingenuous, especially when you're attempting to theo-politicize a personal human social dilemma.

I'm pro-choice and have no moral issues with early term abortion, though this does not necessarily make me pro-abortion.

Questioning "State" and "effective" is really just jumping on the media bandwagon, slagging off whosoever might currently be in power.

We are all "State", and sure, legislation is a protracted process, and rightly so.

On the other hand, we are not all singularly religious, so although a singular church maybe consistent in it's stance, it is not always representative of a State, and should not be allowed to dictate either Government policy, or the right of an individual to choose.

Religion should be no more than the Sunday morning club.....Though with all  that bigotry , I know that's a lot to ask for.

What is your measure of gratuitous suffering based upon.

Other than your own inability to deal with the internal appreciation of the processes of enforced death.

After all, a natural existence is no guarantee of non-gratuitous suffering.

What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve over....As it were.

Of course the best way to end single motherhood.

Is an  effective State contraception and abortion system.

Oh.....But then you've got to appease all those meddling GOD botherers.

F**k me, you just can't win.

Overpopulation is a fictitious problem.

Simultaneously, this is true and also a fictitious statement.

Though one assumes that there is a limit to sustainability.

What do you think?

Maybe that's a good idea.

But I think that the concepts of time and the measurement of duration, evolved purposefully and relative to certain events.

Such as, a  complete cycle of the Earth relative to the Sun can, naturally be broken down into 365 and a bit. Rather than precisely 1000 or 100.

So a month would be 36.5ish days long and, a week would be 3.65 days.

3.65 days could then be broken down into a metric hour minutes seconds etc.

As we tend to associate a day with a secondary motion of the Earth relative to the Sun.... Relative to evolved sleep and activity patterns.

Really, you might as well just leave things as they are....Would probably save a whole lot of hassle.

Leviticus was in the prequel,  several hundred years before the Jesus character was introduced.

Nice poem.

Hope you liked mine.

Where in the Arabian Tales does the Jesus character say that he condemns homosexuality?

Smash and dash.

Sounds like a mashed potato advertising slogan.

Though..... Rape excluded....Sex is a two way transaction.

And unwanted pregnancy is therefore a twofold irresponsibility.

Well, let's start with irresponsible, and append it with something like arsehole.

As I stated.

It is possible for events to occur and have a duration.

And out of necessity we refer to it as something.

If nothing was hear to perceive events, then what would care to refer to it as something?

Nice poem?

You're confused.

Well, that is not the actual definition of a deadbeat.

Though an irresponsible person may be a deadbeat.

And a lot of successful people are also irresponsible parents.

Nothing is ever quite so clear cut as you imagine.

If you intend to kill someone then you will.

And inanimate objects are safe , unless a person animates them.

And you like playing with guns....But I won't go into the psychology of it.

Is that fear or just irresponsibility?

And where is your evidence that shows that all irresponsible parents are "deadbeats."

You have an over stylized view of the world, probably based upon hearsay.

You really do need to go on the watch list.

What are we attempting to prove?

As I said the difference between us is only semantics.

For instance:

"Firm evidence that something is probably true."

One has acquired data to support a theory...But unless said data can be proven to be unequivocal...Then the theory remains speculative.

Evidence is not fact and probability is never unequivocal.

And "firm" is an unnecessary prerequisite

And "suggesting probability" will always be speculative.....And similarly, confidence is never certainty.

And if evidence is able to confirm a claim, then the collective data becomes factual and no longer subject to probability.

All  mothers are single.

What you are referring to is the old established socioeconomic concepts of right and proper.

You old right winger you.

Build some internment camps and get some good ole, well armed,  incestuous, backwoods militia boys to keep the depraved  bastards in and sterilize them....LOL.

And give the boys a banjo.

And where is your evidence that "horny players" fear parenthood.

TheUnderog for President, 

A GOD help us.

Well.

Fravor's account sound like his own reflection....Though, data acquired  through tired and aging eyes, and then processed irrationally.

Most accounts of UFO's follow a similar pattern of misidentification and misinterpretation.

As for simulations and tears therein.....From whence is said simulation projected?.....And what is the projector?...And what projects the projector etc?

Thoughts.

Ten commandments and lots of guns.

I think that you need to go on the watch list.

Well, the major cause of vaccine deaths (clotting) has been identified.

And given the rapid rollout of vaccine that covid necessitated, the science was always going to be ongoing rather than pre-established.

So now, at risk people can be identified....And  early symptoms can also be identified and addressed quickly.

And G.P's (Doctors) as we refer to them over here, tend to have a general knowledge of medicine, and are unlikely to be experts in virology and vaccinology.

And conspiracy theorists require no feeding.

And certainly over here in the "West", there's a whole lot of people that expect to be nannied.

And for sure people die...It's the inevitability of life...If you make the wrong decision today, any day, it's curtains.

Is vaccination the right or wrong decision.....Statistically speaking probably the wiser decision for someone of my age.

Whereas Kids, can afford to be blase.

As MisterChris rightly states.

Material events can occur, so there is time.

Time is an intangible reality, so as such does not tangibly exist.

We measure the duration of events....Rather than time itself.

Would one use a rule to measure time?

As a clock with nothing else to be regarded, will only measure the duration of it's own existence. 

If I remember correctly, I was Fredsnephew on DDO and Sonofcharl on DebateIsland.

What does any civilian actually need an assault rifle for?

Other than for big kids to dress up and  play war in the woods with.

Sure...And DebateIsland.

Gave upon DDO...Too many glitches in the system...And Mr Ethang seems to have had a breakdown.

Me.

You do seem to have been personally attacking "Kammie" a lot lately.

The last ditch throws of post election anxiety.

As I said ...Semantics.

Based upon how I interpret the definition of speculation, dark matter and big booms are therefore speculative. 

And the second line of  #31 is a semantical and grammatic nightmare...and also rife with indecision.

I'm certain that probably isn't synonymous with definitely.

And something cannot be probably definitely....Something is either probable or definite.

Similarly, something that is only probable, might have supportive evidence, but not conclusive evidence.

And something that is likely to have happened, therefore didn't necessarily happen.

Well the rest of my post would make sense if understood the data.....You have the font of all knowledge at your finger tips, so read and understand.

And statisticians are employed to provide statistical data to back up arguments.....Consequently there are two sets of statistics for any argument , and you believe which ever set suits.

And background checks and banning assault weapons won't necessarily reduce the homicide rate......Other weapons are available,

Doesn't alter the fact that all guns are inherently dangerous....That was the whole point of guns.

For sure.

I've continually defended the fact, that the biblical authors never attributed their central character with a specific sexuality.

And Jesus ran around with all manner of guys.

And the power of the ring rendered Frodo impotent......Well that's my interpretation

And Samwise eventually got married and fathered children, and was probably just bi-curious during his epic bachelor days....Well that's my interpretation.

Well.

He's not necessarily a radical thinker.

As I stated previously, he is typically conditioned with mid to late 20th century values.

But is wise enough and also clever and eloquent enough, to realise the need to compromise and and conform with modern 21st century social politics and ideology.

And the knowledge with which he backs up his subtle contentions is always very difficult for questioners to oppose.

The Guy is undoubtedly very good at what he does...And such ability often fosters resentment.

Nonetheless.......It was an ill thought out thread that would always come back to bite you on the butt.

The Christian flock and all that......Baaaaaaa.

It also struck me, that he has an inoffensive voice.

Hey!

All politics is inherently corrupt.

Though some politics is more corrupt than others.

Let's go full on LGBTQQQQQ

No votes for heterosexuals or people displaying a skin tone.

Oooops , that's everyone.

What we need is a global dictator  Big Bro.

Someone like GOD.

Hey!

I'm full on P.C. gender neutral.

This is all so offensive.

And stuff your face with all the pies

And be confident and happy.

And third wave fourth wave

Not waving but drowning

Who said that?

Stevie Smith

Stevie?

How's that for foresight.

I agree.

Other than the last line.

And that's just semantics.

The forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.    Oxford Dictionaries.

Thanks Doc.

He's the central character/hero  of the Lord of the rings tales.

The same as Jesus is to the N.T. tales.

In both stories, the salvation of mankind is the focus of the plot.

The sexuality of the hero, was never the authors predilection.

Whosoever might find either tale homoerotic, has a vivid imagination.

Yep....I agree.

Ultimately, nuclear energy is currently, something beyond our abilities to control.

Once we create it, we can then only contain it.

And as Chernobyl demonstrates, when things go horribly wrong, containment becomes a nightmare.

Lust for electrical energy overrides common sense.

And seemingly lust for electrical energy also overrides the usually overbearing considerations of cost.

A doomsday merchant would perhaps say that there is  something ominously predictive about all this.

More wind power for sure.

And the Sun bombards us with all the nuclear fired energy, we will ever need.

For sure.

Get a statistician to create a sheet of statistics.

A statistician could make the holocaust appear reasonable.

And they who pay the statistician, gets the favourable statistics.

Nonetheless owning a gun is reliant upon an individuals sensibilities....And fortunately most people are usually sensible.....Though the weapons effect, is shown to  stimulate an altered and  heightened response, liable to evoke irrational behaviour.

Of course and as ever, the bottom line is....If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger the outcome is likely to be messy.

Like the little kid in the car with his Mom.

Yep...That's fair enough.

Too young

Too poor

And too honest.