zedvictor4

So 75 years ago, approximately 185,000 Americans had given up their lives in the fight against Nazism.

And now the Black Shirts prepare to march on Washington D.C.

Whose a PROUD BOY then?

There's certainty for you.

Things are only precise and accurate if you invent a system that makes things precise and accurate....But things are never perfectly accurate...Only reasonably so.

And so we pick up on things that are reasonably accurate and disregard everything else that isn't....If one wishes to make a point, one therefore needs to be selective.

Though, one is not disputing physical laws....Physical laws either are or are not.

Everybody is special,  apart from everybody.

Best to hide somewhere quiet and remote....You never know who actually thinks that you are an arsehole.

Grigory Rasputin.

Quite obviously, the contention that you and Stephen cannot resolve.

You might be certain that you can resolve it, but Stephen is certain that you cannot.

Because the text allows for more than one interpretation and therefore more than one outcome.

Short of you burning Stephen at the stake for heresy, I would suggest that agreed disagreement is the better option, as neither is going to convert the other.

Nice ontology

My continued position is that any interpretation of the bible is valid, given the uncertain nature of it's compilation and  contents.

Nonetheless a literal acceptance of the bible, throws up obvious contradictions, which Stephen is keen to point out.

So you and Stephen come to  differing conclusions, for differing reasons and neither of you is right and neither of you is wrong.

Better to agree to disagree and then move on to the next challenge....As this issue is clearly unresolvable.

Nope. An ardent puzzler would have instantly recognised a random set of numbers all with a value of less than 27....As I said you just do not understand basic puzzles, simply because you have not learned the methodology.

Which was what my original contention with I.Q. was all about....You either know something or you don't.

The second puzzle is so simple...Just ask a Greek.

Sorry. I was being philosophical rather than political.

Originally money was invented as a token representation of goods, replacing direct trade....But pretty soon money became more important than the goods themselves.

Modern monetary systems, inflate the value of goods and services and create non-representative wealth, and at the same time we borrow against this bogus wealth incurring a bogus debt.

It will probably goon for ever and so what.

Obviously I am only referring to National debt, rather that personal day to day survival....Day to day survival is a whole different can of social worms.

Less amusing T.V. from the United States....The Trump Circus sure has been entertaining.

But something tells me, that there will be more to come.

Perhaps he will seek exile on his Scottish Golf Course.

I'm merely addressing the contention between you and Stephen.

Stephen is correct in his observations, and in this instance you cling to "John", because that is all you have to cling to in this instance.

Your observations of "John" are correct...But that is not the issue.

So why is it so hard to admit that another persons observations are also correct?

Given the sequence of events and time frame involved it would be foolish to expect that the modern bible would be a perfect record of something.

Hence all the contentious squabbling.

The bible is a book and perhaps supports the leg of a wobbly table.

The various records and stories found within the bible, would suggest that "slavery" was a commonplace practice and expectation during "biblical times".

As slavery still is today, but to a much lesser degree....Perhaps.

In constantly trying to concentrate on "John",  you are attempting to distract from the real issue.

The contention as you are  well aware is not in "Johns" version of events...But the obvious contradictions between separate versions of events.

Separate contradictory versions that come together to therefore make a flawed whole....A flawed whole that you put so much faith and belief into.

For my part, the flawed whole is simply indicative of, various versions of folktales rendered to a mythical status and purely of historical and social interest.

Stephen for his part is perhaps a tad more zealous, but nonetheless his observations of the literal presentation of the bible are correct.

No support required....The bible that you read is  multiple translations, reinterpretations and adaptations of several thousand year old stories.....Undeniable fact.

Differing interpretations thereof, even lead to schism within the regional theistic community.

So assuming that your modern American version of events is spot on, is a tad fanciful to say the least.

Well.......I wasn't looking for a material answer.

I wasn't looking for an answer at all.

I was just reiterating the absurdity that is the sense and nonsense of money.....The one true god.....Once precious metal,  then cheaper metal and paper and now just numbers in cyberspace.

Interestingly the Chinese national debt is $5.5 trillion (approx)....How's that for frugality?

Agree.

I lie to refer to the GOD principle as BOB.....BOB the Builder.

Perhaps puzzles aren't an American thing.

Nonetheless:

The second puzzle, tells you the answer...All that is required is a bit of General Knowledge.

As for your puzzle......Applying basic puzzle formats, one initially doesn't need to come up with anything other than 6.....

As for my first puzzle.....Try applying the basic puzzle technique of converting seemingly random numbers to something else.

LOL.

I'll take the age thing as a compliment, and as for the debate jibe, well I have no real time for formal debating, though I will sometimes do a debate if it doesn't require much attention to detail.  But winning or losing is neither here nor there.

I am actually 40 years older than you, which probably reflects my preference for Old Prog Rockers and Classical Music....Nonetheless, I would say that my taste in music is very eclectic.

Steve Hackett, Jon Anderson etc......  And Ralph Vaughan Williams is perhaps my favourite composer.

The chipmunks thing was not to be taken seriously......So who are your favourite musicians?

Yep...Some exaggerated examples there, but that's the general principle.

But even within the confines of a McDonalds establishment, the customer becomes the general public, and are subject to the rules and conditions laid down by the McDonalds organisation.

I was merely observing that humans have a general tendency to accept authority, without consideration.

Stephen was pointing out the obvious contradictions between different texts.....That is to say the obvious differences in interpretation of the same folklore... Emphasising that the bible is simply a collection of hearsay tales, rather than a conclusive whole.

Yep.

It's an interesting social, almost natural separation of State and people and all that goes with it.

Q. When is a member of the public not a member of a public.

A. When they wear the special outfit and are given the appropriate badge.

How can one trespass in a public facility.

Control by the State BIG BRO.

Why was Jesus a Jew?

Are you saying that GOD is a Jew?

One for the conspiracy theorists perhaps.

Ask Francis Rossi.

Failing that, I would suggest that most Americans don't really care about politics 99% of the time. They're more concerned with necessary, basic, day to day function.

And every four years they stick on a badge and go join the political circus.

Unless you're a proud boy and have nothing better to do with all that testosterone, of course.

Logic and Truth exist within a specific place.....Whether they exist outside of that place, or in fact have any external relevance, is the ongoing contention.

I don't think that you've hit any nails on their heads here.

There you go...At it again....Interpreting things differently.

And no one is right and no one is wrong......Same old same old.

What would be useful, would be for either GOD or his lad J, to pop down and clarify things.

Yep I understand the concepts.....But you never answered my questions.

Just about every independent Nation is in debt.

So who borrows from who?.....And who is in debt to who?

Who is rich enough to lend the rest of the World $280 trillion.

Same old argument for or against a GOD......You don't know, so throw the question back at me.

In respect of the Christianesque GOD, I would draw your attention to the three omni's....Why would this GOD need to measure what it instinctively, already knows?

I agree.

Nope. Incorrect.

As I've stated previously, it's a standard puzzle.  It just requires a little bit of thought, and any keen puzzler would work it out in seconds.

It just a case of knowing how very common puzzles work....If you don't know, one would expect someone with a good "I.Q." to work it out fairly quickly.

Nope..... The Bible is what it is and nothing more....And as such, is open to a million and one interpretations.

Assuming that you are right, is simply that and nothing more....Yours is but one interpretation.

Stephens interpretations are very literal, though taken from what is essentially a book of Chinese whispers....

Nonetheless, if you are going to make judgements based upon a certain text, then you should stick to that text, and not  profess to know the thoughts of long since, dead men.

Nonetheless Mr E.

If Jesus is GOD...How could he ascend to his father, if he is his own father....One and the same as it were?

And Mr Mopac...How do you feel about all the gender appropriation going on here.

And Mr U....Jesus wants Thomas to thrust his fingers....Metaphorical foreplay as it were.

And Mary is a four times translated version of something vaguely Hebrew....So actually there were no Mary's in J's posee.

It's all latter day reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a regional  folk tale.

I'm guessing....The Chipmunks.

It doesn't...But Mr F makes great lemonade.

Borrow from who?

Who sends the debt collector round?

The World is about $280 trillion in debt to somebody.....Martians perhaps.

Sorry......Make that 281....No 282....No 283.

Maybe debt is an essential nonsense....But nonetheless a nonsense.

The whole bible thing  is about dreaming and invention....Imagination and interpretation and reinterpretation and so on and so on.

Sitting in an ivory tower and assuming that you know better than Stephen is simply what it is.

And you and Mr E can pat each others backs, and I will pat Stephens, just to level the playing field.

Good stuff.

And another slip of the tongue....You just can't help yourself.

I challenge you....To not refer to your specific "ungendered" GOD as HIM.

In short...Marx was a hypocrite....Plain and simple.....The servants made the lemonade.

Seems so.

People invented miles just like they invented every other measuring system.

Why would a GOD need to invent a measuring system.

Slip of the tongue then?

Yep...That's how "analorgies"  work Mikey....."Coming in the behind butt in the end"....LOL.

Be careful Mikey, you'll be getting banned if you keep this up.....Other people on this site are more sensitive than me.

There's bound to be a test.

I'm sure that believing in a specific GOD fails a test too.

Deary me.....I can't be bothered to explain Homer.

Aiming and pulling the trigger is using a gun....Cracking eggs with it, could perhaps be regarded as misuse.

 

I'm sure that most hardened criminals know how to use a gun.....Aim and pull....Easy Peasy.

Everyone understands the context Stephen....It's just that some people read more into it than others....Chiefly because they were taught to read more in to it.

In a nutshell....That's what makes the difference between Theism and Atheism.

Needed to show some discretion.

I think their cover is fully blown now.

"HIS HIM HE"