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The odd thing is, that you constantly refer to nothing as GOD.

You just say that it's the ultimate reality.

Except when you contradict yourself of course, and refer to it as "HIM".

So is it a "HE" or just an ultimate reality.....Though, might it not be a SHE, if it gave birth to the universe.

If something actually happened, then it wasn't a miracle.

Wasn't Sodom  "analorgy" central?.........LOL Mikey.

If ever you wanted proof Mr E.

I would suggest that any unproven or unprovable, hypothesis or theory fits the definition of occult.

Though "occult" is typically marketed as spooky or sinister activities.

Nope. I've never denied a GOD principle.

And I agree in the main with what you say.

And I'm aware that you also refer to the ultimate reality as GOD.

The difference is that theists have been are taught to humanise the GOD principle, whereas atheists have not.

What would a "HIVE MIND" achieve in the long term.

I would suggest that the power of the individual is an essential universal tool.

Unless we eventually become a perfect cloned species, of course.

What would this universe be a simulation of, and why?

"A multiverse" is a contradiction in terms.

There is either a universe.....Or there are multiverses.

Uni meaning one and multi meaning many.

The fact that anything exists is proof of something....Call it what you will....Fluffykins or ultimate reality or big BOOM.

As, no one actually knows why, and names are something that we make up.

Don't forget to feed the Monkey, Mikey.

Creation, then an ongoing process of evolution is a widely accepted principle.  

Naive theistic tales should be accepted for what they are...Archaic hypotheses borne of ignorance.

"Churches" as controlling influences and financial institutions, still seem to be doing O.K.....Though time will tell.

It's all down to who will control the transfer of information from generation to generation.

What about everyone else,  who hasn't been or ever was or ever will be, conditioned to accept your version of the Jesus GOD principle.

Perhaps we are all saved by our own particular version of things.

As I said to Mr ETRNL.... I can run with certain non-theistic interpretations of a soul and heaven principle. But theistic versions tend to suggest a level of self awareness after death....So, self awareness relative to what?

Typically they are all versions of a previous tale....Which does explain discrepancies... Especially when you consider the slow and inefficient medium of data transfer.

All sort of semi-plausible until you factor in the magical fish bit.

Mythological pseudo-hypothesis as ever.

What is sick and what is healthy?

At any given moment, how many people are 100% healthy.....Maybe a new born, for a brief moment......But even then?

Was George Orwell the Anti-Christ or was he God?

There is no evidence, that can unequivocally rule out an adverse reaction to a vaccine.

In the real World, those that might suffer such a reaction are considered inconsequential, when weighed against the overall benefits of vaccination.  

There is nonetheless, a plethora of circumstantial evidence which suggests that vaccination is not 100% safe.

I thought that household disinfectant was Mr T's preferred option.

Nope...They will go free because of the foolishness of the Law.

Mr Ethan.....Putting theistic allegiances aside for a moment..... I would be interested to hear your conservative critique on the above Australian legal issue.

Is it sensible or reasonable to free criminals.....Simply because a barrister was prepared to put their wellbeing on the line and tell the truth?

Call me a liberal if you like Mr E.

"Nothing" is variously defined.

Though nothing is fine, as is something....It's the bit in between that is either irrational or a conundrum....You choose.

Sorry....I was forgetting that you were Guadeloupean.

Enjoy.....And here's sincerely wishing you and yours a happy Christmas.

And I look forward to continuing our discourse in a successfully vaccinated New Year.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other.....You sound just like my dear old Mum....May her residual energy wait in peace.

In relation to the above issue.  Anyone withholding pertinent information could be accused of deliberately perverting the course....How the Law might actually interpret things is one for my learned colleagues to quibble over.

So what about Pennsylvania then?.....You did mention Philly a while back.

I Hide from Jihadists and covid-19....No Just Joking.

Work part time as a delivery driver, renovate our cottage, walk the dog a lot and cycle a lot.

And In between times I interact with others via the internet.

The days fly by.

Attempts at social adjustment don't fail...They just eventually revert to natural order.

So one might consider that Certain Far Eastern examples buck this trend....But these are just examples of natural order with an big stick, rather than just a financial carrot.

Just comment.

Though the reason that a lot of discussions are ongoing is because there is no shred of real evidence.

And being given the right to pervert the course of justice and then using that right, seems like a power trip to me.

No...USA will do.

Though you  previously mentioned Pennsylvania and recently mentioned Kansas, so I'm guessing the former if it's 1.30am.

Clergy Privilege....Is just a power trip....As is Scientology.

A very lucid post Mikey.

Those English lessons are paying dividends.

Nope just got up...Breakfast is on the table...And Mr E is metaphorically on the table, going on about all sorts of stuff.

Or did you mean CACK?

Hey....If I talk bulls**t for long enough will you believe in nonsense Homer.....D'oh.

Must be time for bed soon  Mr E.

Exactly.

Ok. EtrnlVwY....The processes of evolution are an indicator that something is in action.....To suggest that "some one" initiated the process is not only illogical, but also ridiculous.

Something may have re-initiated a process......But that still doesn't account for a beginning.

Darwin was concerned with the development of species.

Contrary to what some theists might say,  Darwin's ideas fit just as well with a theistic version of universal events, as they do with atheistic notions of creation and unassisted material evolution.

And so are you saying that a body is a vehicle for a soul.....Rather than ones body being the vehicle for ones soul.

This seems to render the self as irrelevant....An inconsequential existence, as if ones gathering of life experiences is meaningless.

In fairness, I do understand where you are coming from....And I do run with the idea of  residual energy or data left over as the body is rendered to it's component parts, and I can see also how this might serve a universal or evolutionary purpose. 

I can also run with a HEAVEN principle as a collection point for the above...And as I have stated for along time I run with the notion of a GOD principle as an ultimate evolutionary goal.

In these respects, I can see that the self would be irrelevant and the body would be purely a vehicle for a soul in the form of residual energy or data.

But I must stress...Definitely no floaty about bloke that looks like Gandalf...And the bible is still, just a naive fantasy version of the the same old hypothesis....That is to say, creation and evolution with a purpose.

Yep I know Stephen.

And I don't know about Welsh Schools.....I was educated in England.

But I'm pretty certain that both curricula, put forwards the modern idea of Hominids of the species Homo Sapiens.

What on Earth do they teach in U.S. nodding donkey Academies? 

A Madrassa for example.

I sometimes wonder.... If there is a heaven and one dies with a demented mind.... Then will one have a demented mind in heaven.

Currently, though my body may be showing the sings of aging, I nonetheless, think as I have always done....So this would somehow support the value of the soul option, if I were to die compos mentis.

But what if the soul has become demented.

Well I think that I suggested that one opinion displayed a poor level of wisdom...If that's what you mean.

Hardly ranks as hypocrisy.

There won't be many honest souls on this site who would  agree that "crock of shite" is a pearl of wisdom. 

Well in my opinion, that's just a biased opinion, based upon a theistic bias.

My body is unblemished.

And far too many sheep in Wales, for me to be worrying about Jihadists

"It is her behaviour that makes  her different  from you"...Genetics as well?....But both truisms Homer.

Luckily, I don't live in England.

Some schools teach kids that a specific god is real and that he knocked the World together in his extra-universal workshop in a matter of days, just a few thousand years ago.

What can you do, hey?

Perhaps they should keep fairy stories for story time.....Just a thought.

Oh well.

Though one persons hypocrisy is often indicative of another persons hypocrisy.

Like saying that an opinion is  not valid unless it is my opinion.....Sort of thing

Is that what you mean?

Nonetheless all opinions are valid, even if we might think that they are a "crock of shite".....In my opinion.

Forum cross over as it were.

Darwin is a crock of shite......Yep an opinion, if you like.

But I've never expressed the opinion that the Bible is a crock of shite.

I've always accepted the bible for what it is in my opinion.

And I've always accepted that others have an alternative opinion.

Disagreeing with alternative opinions is what it is.

And "crock of shite is what it is" and in my opinion clearly says a lot about janesix.

Hey Mr Ethan your starting to backslide.....Ease up on the personal attacks....As it will only end up with another 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness..

And are you up late or up early.....  Are the thoughts of all those Syrian Jihadists keeping you awake?

Me.... I'm waiting for the carpet fitter.