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A. Well yes that's true.....But the circumstances that might prevent one form not being aware, would be exceptional....And expertise is not a requirement.

B. WW11/German colonialism/Japanese colonialism....British colonialism.....Spanish colonialism....Dutch colonialism.....Portuguese colonialism....French colonialism.....etc etc.

C. Fundamentally Instinct,  and subsequently memory and the acquired ability to manipulate data. 

D. It means that Crocs do not consider morality and that we only consider morality because we have time to make these things up and consider them.

Morals are an intangible concept....That actually mean more or less than something.

Yum Yum....Great!

A piece of string is defined by it's mass....But how long is it?

Racism is all about perceived difference and consequent information that is perpetuated as a result.....Whereas, politics is politics.

I'm sat on the fence and can see for sure, that racism is a two way street....What I am saying, is that until the street is all the same, there will always be a racism bogeyman.

Megalomania.

Which Planet did you just arrive from?

Since the 10th century Europeans have violated the f**k out of everyone that stood in their way....Which planet did you say?

You and I as humans refer to things as needs....I'm not sure that animals do the same....Animals are largely driven by the instinctive requirements of survival.

My point is that eating the flesh of animals and other creatures has up until fairly recently, been a human necessity/need (still is for some)....And then people like you came along.

Jump into a Croc infested river,  and the Croc's aren't going to moralise and ask questions

Hey, the pat on the back club is back.....Nice

Apple crumble and custard is great.

People say different things....And different people say different things.....So what?

We're all aware of the GOD principle....How specific or elaborate one cares to be is only limited by the limits of ones own data store and consequent imaginings.

Einstein was just another human that lived and died, and sometimes varied his data output.

It all boils down to the basics of human function in the end.

And in the end GOD dies with us.

How    Long   Is    a    Piece   of   String?

Yep Trump's still president and he's now behaving like a spoiled brat.....Your fired......Na Na Na Na Na.

I wasn't referring to votes....I was referring to Americans who can think for themselves.

The U.K. is founded on immigration, as is the U.S.A....Chinese, Spanish, Swahili.... Remember?.....The difference is that the U.S.A is a lot bigger and so there is still room to hide from reality.

We're all fed information, it's the nature of the beasts.....And you choose what you want to believe and I do the same.....And you still want to believe that the election was rigged and that your grey haired idol will continue to entertain the rest of us for another four years.

Yep. We conceptualise and turn physiology into feelings....And we do the same for dogs and other animals....And maybe animals have adapted to do the same.

The issue was about eating meat, rather than causing harm...The purposes and intentions contained therein, can be manipulated to suit either side of the argument, and we can construct varying morals as justification.

Again, "causing harm" is an emotional plea......And nothing to do with actual need......People will not starve if nourishment is available.... In certain regions of the world animals and fish and other sea creatures are still staples.....It's easy to pontificate from a position of comfort and security.

A tad arrogant and imbued with western extravagance.....Do you think that it was ok to bomb the f**k out of Afghan and Iraqi civillians?

I don't think that anyone is "Great"......That's the difference between you and I.

Human behaviour.

You have an influenced view of Abraham...Though not influenced by reality.....Same as me,  same as everyone.

Events as described, do not suggest to me a sober guy who actually met a God.

Isn't everything that exists already a part of a physical system.

Basically, the evolution of matter within the constraints of physical laws.

Reality:  Yep and they got rid of Trump.

I think that you are are referring to the Old White Guard, who are slowly dying out...More slowly in the U.S. than here in the U.K. perhaps

I would suggest that species evolution is unstoppable, and it's probably going to be  slightly darker and more egalitarian than what you are currently used to.

And don't forget I'm neither blue nor red nor orange or green....I just sit comfortably on the fence and tell things as I see them.

I don't know if animals conceptualise in this way.  They have instinctive behaviour, which we might interpret as feelings.

Standards become established as human society evolves..  And I think that I'm right in saying that not eating your neighbour is now  pretty much a global standard...... Whereas, the move towards a global standard of dietary morality based upon a flesh free diet is a long way off..... Basically these things change as the transfer of information from generation to generation changes.

There are already very good commercially available meat alternatives, derived from vegetable protein.  Whether there will be a widespread need for fully synthesised alternative proteins I don't know. I suppose that this depends to a great deal upon the long term sustainability of world eco-systems.

Yes...There is very little actual need for meat as a protein source....Though in Arctic Regions and poorer countries. there may well be cost and sustainability factors to be taken into consideration.

You will have to explain this concept of yours as I don't quite get the point.

Though humans are already making very good meat alternatives out of vegetables.

I choose to consume a diet that doesn't include red or poultry meat, though I do include fish.....This is based purely on health and dietary reasons, rather than moral reasons.

Essentially the U.S. people didn't vote against republicanism, they voted to get rid of Trump, because thankfully, the saw him for what he was.

Which for a lot of us other world citizens, restored our faith in the American people somewhat.

There was no major fraud, that's just Trumpian conspiracy delusion.

Next time, why not just choose an intellectually competent candidate.

And for the record.... I think that Biden is far too old for the job.... But by far the lesser of two evils.

Republican, Democrat...All essentially the same....Just a different club.....A bit like football.

At least Trump didn't start any wars......Although he's still got a month or so to go....We're not quite out of the woods yet.

Given the nature of the location and the availability of narcotics....Abraham was probable of his head.

Seriously.

We tend to overlook the fact that shamanism is often linked to narcotics use.

And back in the day, and given peoples lack of knowledge, this would more than likely have been considered to be acceptable behaviour.

Getting in touch with the spirit world and all that kind of stuff, people love it.

We generally don't eat Lions and Tigers, but perhaps the occasional Shark or Crocodile.

It's usually things like Cattle, Sheep, Chickens and Pigs.

Though Pigs will eat you given the opportunity, but they don't necessarily prey on humans.

Therefore your argument, though not exactly incorrect, was nonetheless a tad basic. 

As a realist I would say that killing living material for the purposes of consumption and nutrition, is natural and therefore acceptable.

The vegetarian argument is based upon selective perception/differentiation coupled with an assumed morality...Which is fundamentally not natural, but is undoubtedly a natural consequence of human development.

So if humans continue to evolve in this direction, there is a strong chance that one day we will be a wholly vegetarian species.

Doesn't take much to create a legend these days.

And am I to assume that you are a tree?

I would agree

Pornography stimulates primary drive, unnecessarily.

I couldn't argue that Hitler didn't rig elections.

But can you unequivocally prove that he did?

Once again we're talking about the phenomenon of the charismatic megalomaniac and a gullible flock.

There is also so much evidence to suggest that Mr Trump is a megalomaniac.

And believing and acting upon what a megalomaniac tells you is and was a recipe for disaster.

It was quite saddening to see republican supporters behaving like sheep.

Especially as the U.S.A. is the nation that identifies itself as being the No.1 in support of democracy and freedom from tyranny.

The charismatic megalomaniac  duping the gullible masses..... It's an age worn phenomenon, that the U.S.A has been fighting against all around the globe, for years.

And you couldn't recognise it in your own backyard.

Absolutely....Your personal life is sacraosanct.

I just thought that I had seen the word female in your profile....I probably confused you with someone else.

Are you suggesting that there was always something?........Was there ever nothing?

 Mr Ethan's tactics are not an issue for me as I enjoy countering them.

I debate  sincerely, though sometimes with the occasional light hearted comment thrown in,  and I do all this purely as a mental exercise rather than any desire to minds.

As for slipping back....Yes. Mr Ethan has a tendency to take things to heart and loose their cool....But I see this as just a character trait rather than anything worryingly, more sinister....His edginess doesn't bother me in the slightest, in fact it makes him an all the more interesting to debate with.

Do you know Bro D personally?

I just get the impression  that it's all an act.

And we will have to ask Trade to clarify things.

What is "Wym"?

I have no doubt that Trade is sincere....I was referring to Bro D's acting.

And I am led to believe that Trade is female.....Correct me if I am wrong.

I am merely suggesting that issues are often simple and that humans have a tendency to want to over-complicate them.....Which often results in contradictory or selective morality.

It is also reasonable to say that the trend must continue down beyond cause and effect, to 0.

That's what Mr Trump wanted you to believe.

And you fell for it.

Humans out-sheeping the sheep again.....Baaaa. 

What's up Doc.

Nope....Love the topic.

Objective logic is seemingly a truism....though I don't think that it actually is.

Who decides what is and isn't objective, in a mythological context?

Very well thank you.

It's good to have you back.

And I hope that you were aware, that once again I argued your case.

Three cheers for Mr Biden hey?

As I stated earlier (#4). It would depend upon where and when..... Though I certainly wouldn't kill myself, as if it happened then it was meant to happen. 

So primarily, hide and assess the situation.

His behaviour is part of his act.

Whereas one got the impression that your behaviour was emotional.

Do we now have the new mellower Mr Ethan?

More than likely that as well.

Are you saying that right and wrong are universal constants?

Or did we not just make them up?

And are we not selectively moral anyway?

Killing one thing bothers us less than killing another...Humans included.

Unless of course,  you are a pacifist, fruitarian, hermit.

Nope. You make everything he says personal....Provoking a response is his aim.

Ignorance is your best tactic, but you are easily provoked.

Stephen does exactly the same, though we only assume that he is more sincere.

And one could easily read the the same cause and effect implications into your reasoning, as you could into mine.

Hiding is the beauty of this medium.

Therefore, if your scenario is purely pretence, then why would you kill yourself?

Just pretend that being there is not a future problem.

Your response is Brother D's success.

He's smarter than you think.

When is a religion not a religion?

Scientology is a for profit organisation that sells nonsense to the gullible......Hmmmmmm......Sounds like religion.

Sport is the taking part and not the watching.

What is a magical translator?

Just depends on the duck.

Hopefully all Americans are democratic.

One person has an axe to grind and so interprets the bible one way, and another person has a different axe and so interprets it differently.

Same old.

A measured response....is this the a new Mr Ethang?

That's what he tells you, and you believe him.

Just what the German people did 85 years ago.

Surely we've learnt how to spot a megalomaniac by now.

How is it incorrect? 

How is it essentially just admitting defeat?

Yep, murder is philosophically justifiable....  But that's generally not the way things happen..... Because murder is socially unacceptable.....Of course, murder like most things is open to interpretation.