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Very non-intelligent people......Say no more.

But we should encourage and not criticise.

Though brick walls and wind pi**ing spring readily to mind.

I wasn't referring to your specific GOD....Just the principle....So I referred to it as BOB so as not to confuse you.....Please pay attention.

And some Arabs are Muslim and some Arabs are Christian....Do your homework.

Though I was only referring to the Arabian Peninsular, as the region where the Abrahamic faiths originated.....Please pay attention.

And "Blasphemy" was justification for sadists, and still is in certain situations.

People breed and people endure....Faith in a limited hypothesis is an accompaniment....And the transfer of data is inevitable...And the relevance of data is only relevant to what it is relevant to.

An effect, affects.

So are aware of  effect, because it affects.

Therefore because of the affect, we referred to the effect as gravity.

Yep. The rational notion for GOD/BOB is purpose over nihilism....Though whether that is rational or not is impossible to say.

I base my BOB assumption purely on the existence of matter and the evolution thereof....Which is purpose enough.

0-1 is symbolic of BOB.

There is an effect that we refer to as gravity...To which we applied tall tales....And then we applied science and gained understanding.

Your obsessed with linking sources.

I'm confident in my own ability.

K.

It might be accurate to say billions.

And if population increases then indoctrination will increase proportionately, obviously relative to the breeding tendencies of certain sub-groupings.

So there will undoubtedly be similar increases in the Christian, Islam and Atheist clubs....Though which one becomes the most popular club depends primarily on who breeds the quickest.

Nonetheless, the enjoyment of,  and devotion to historical fiction is what it is.....Living in the past.

It's the very select clever club that moves things forward.

And a GOD looks down in amazement, and says what the F**K....And chuckles to itself.

Nope. Atheists lack a belief in a specific GOD.....Which doesn't mean that they cannot assume a purpose in material existence.....People that assume a purposeless existence are usually referred to as nihilists.

I just utilise the well known term "GOD" , which I assume represents a purpose.....If you find that confusing, then I will refer to it as BOB instead.

I certainly do not believe any BOB principle.....I simply consider them.

I consider the Christian hypothesis to be fundamentally the same as all hypotheses, but I consider the accompanying tales that sprung up a few thousand years ago in the Arabian Peninsular, to be nothing more than the naive reasoning that they clearly were. 

Yep. I'm sure there's a whole load of logic in there somewhere.....Just can't put my finger on it though.

Well, I expect those words were blocked for a reason.

You have a personal message which others may or may not agree with and vice versa.

Better to be verbose than vitriolic.

Well hypotheses vary from the sublime to the ridiculous and the ridiculously sublime....Make of that what you will.

I currently work on the idea, of material evolution with a purpose, rather than nihilism.

GOD is just an epithet.

Science is the application of the human mind and and it's enhanced  ability to manipulate information. Which allows us to study natural processes and further our understanding of them.

So in reality scientific facts have come from the human mind.....Nature is only what it is, and not science per se.

GODS are also a product of the human mind, though at best pseudo scientific.... In so much as effects were noticed and causes were hypothesised, but not scientifically established.

Why is there a thunder storm up in the sky....Well there must be a GOD up there creating it.........Eventually, science provided us with the real solution.

As to the origins of matter.....That one is currently unknown.....GODS are one of many hypotheses.

As things stand "Christianity" is just a club based upon one creation hypothesis....And the club book has yet to be verified.....Afterlife like GODS is an assumption, and there are various hypothetical afterlife and GOD formats.

Nonetheless given the nature of Christian texts and their disjointed compilation, contradiction and misinterpretation is only to be expected....So make of Christian texts what you want to make of them....It's the beauty of the religion.

Evolution demands the survival of the brightest....Money is simply a means to an end.

Nonetheless, one doesn't require billions to find contentment.

Sorry.

You will have to explain.

I've based my understanding purely on lexical semantics and the innocence of the unconditioned infant.

An enemy is hostile opposition, so never good, from the point of view of the self righteous.

And the use of the word "scum" is equally as arbitrary....In so much as A and B are both "scum" in each others eyes, whilst they are also both righteous in their own eyes.  

The thoughts of men are not necessarily the thoughts of a GOD....A GOD might decide that A's and B's mutual hostility and contradictory self-righteousness, is just not the sort of scummy behaviour that is required in heaven.

N.B.    "Scum" and consequently scummy are not words that I would normally choose to use....I am merely quoting for the purposes of emphasis.

Well the word agnostic as defined, requires both belief, and knowledge of a GOD.

So I would say, based purely on definition, that children "start out" atheist rather than agnostic.

Left wing narrative is a right wing assumption and vice versa.

I'm a British twat.

I think that some of you guys have lost sight of what "A Militia" actually is.

A militia isn't a private army that is separate to the State.

The dictionary defines an atheist as a disbeliever or someone that lacks belief.

So yes, I would certainly have lacked belief at the age of 4....In fact, I expect that at the age of 4 most kids have not really grasped the concepts of either,  belief or disbelief.  Save the odd few who have had the misfortune to suffer overzealous indoctrination.

So in terms of lacking belief, I think that it is fair to say that children start out as atheists.

Nope, sources and data are just other stuff that you base your opinion upon.

My opinions are based upon acquired data, acquired from other stuff, such as sources and data.

You just like to make a song and dance about it....Which is up to you buddy.

Life is life.... The vessel that it's contained within is only relevant if you wish to apply morals selectively.

Children tend to grow up accepting what they are told.....It's what is known as conditioning or programming.

Some are conditioned from an early age to accept  a GOD, and some aren't.

So young children tend not to dispute much, especially philosophical stuff....They might dispute the food they are given or bedtime or other things that impact directly upon their daily existence.....  As they get older and acquire new and contradictory data, they may start to question and maybe eventually alter their outlook..... Nonetheless, formatively acquired data remains well established.

I was raised as neither theist or atheist.....Christian religious festivals were customarily acknowledged, but there was no accompanying strict religious indoctrination, so consequently, I suppose that is why I have always been sceptical and questioning of religious hypotheses and philosophy. 

So if I am an atheist, it is because I lack belief, rather than refuse to believe.

Do theists not "train" their children to be theists?

Your argument is just another emotive plea from a trained theist.

Though do kids pop out of the womb as theists?.....No....You need to train them.

Murder isn't "actually" wrong.

It has been generally decided that it is sometimes a social wrong.

Nonetheless, the taking of life is an inevitability irrespective of social decisions, and murder is only one category thereof.

Hence..... Shooting the bloke across the road is murder, first degree, second degree, justifiable, manslaughter etc...Shooting a bloke across the road in Afghanistan is  worthwhile..... Shooting the chicken crossing the road is yummie or disgusting...... And having an abortion down the road...is or isn't legally permissible.

Categories Categories......Decisions Decisions.

That's a glib and very broad claim to make, and not easily lived up to.

There is caring and then there is caring.

The fact is, that you can only care about what you know.

And do you really care so much about all the lives that you might consider?

So let's try and get the measure of you.......Are you a vegetarian?

Exactly the point I made previously.

So it remains a no win situation for both theists and sceptics alike.

Nice one.

Notwithstanding the fact,  that I only  mentioned good atheists..... You also forgot that atheists don't believe.

Talk about digging holes.

Difference of opinion.

Such is the way of things.

And I assume that you are typically, selectively moral, and only consider the lives that you want to consider.

So, your emotive plea falls on deaf ears.

Morals are concepts and zygotes are flushed unknowingly down the toilet every day.

Pro-lifers only apply morals when they know about it.

And the majority of pro-lifers are all selectively moral anyway.

Same old contradictions.

A bloke in a boat rescued some goats and a cat, during a typical flood event....And the story tellers had a field day....Yep, you're correct on both counts.

If it rains a lot and the ground reaches saturation point, then water would appear to emanate from "The Fountains of the Deep" and consequently there would be the likelihood of a flood event.....Where I live, this happens regularly.

Yo haven't convinced me of anything yet.....Well, that's not quite true.

Supposition bordering on the delusional. 

The actuality of a specific GOD is unproveable....That's why this discussion is ongoing and unresolved.

The Christian Story is one of many similar hypotheses, typically embellished with super-nature to create a myth.

Nonetheless, the GOD PRINCIPLE is still a valid hypothesis....But it's unlikely to be a bloke with a big house in New York or Chicago....Or a big house anywhere.

As things stand, biblical heaven is only wishful thinking.

If the Christian GOD was in fact real, which would it prefer in it's house.?.... A good atheist or a bad believer.....

Language occurs.....It's the nature of the beast.

Thank you for this overly literal, autistic take...... Three cheers for language.

EtrnlVw.....Yep. I could twist and turn your answers back again and you could do the same again and so on and so on.

The fact is though, there are no facts.    Only  speculation based upon a naive hypothesis.

Heaven is a concept and can be what ever one imagines it to be.

Utanity...Your fervency is just indicative of your conditioning.....And after you die, you might or might not be disappointed....Who knows....But it does no harm to speculate.

Ok...... So your O.P. has been read thoroughly and my previous contention is pertinent and still stands.

The words Racism and Racist are just fine, when used appropriately....Just like the words Use and Misuse.

However your arrogance and attempts at pedanticism are beginning to make you "look stupid".

Though a pedant would argue that using the term "look stupid" in an imageless medium is stupid.

Such is the nature of semanticism.

 Racism and Racist, terms or words?....

The terms racist and racism cannot also be inaccurate words.

Terms might be inaccurate, but words are just words.

One persons heaven is another persons hell.

A mansion in New York or Chicago sounds like hell to me.

Heaven needs to be what one wants it to be, otherwise it's a flawed concept.

Though conventional ideas of heaven are flawed concepts anyway.

There's a slim chance that  internal processes might leave some sort of residual effect...Call it a soul if you like....But it's too speculative to say that this will include sentience.

O.K.

So what's GOD got to do with it?

And which GOD?

And as I stated...Limited life expectancy, wasn't just a Neanderthal expectation.

As I thought.

So I replied that I.Q. was more a measure of mental acuity that intelligence.

You got hung up on the word Yep.....Which you will see, is an  expression that I often use.....Meaning, I get your point.

If I don't get your point I will probably start with nope.....Bad habit perhaps.

Nonetheless, you should have got the gist of my response, without the need for all the kerfuffle.

Lovely word kerfuffle....Needs no definition.

A. You either support  the bombing of Afghani and  Iraqi civilians or you don't.....There's absolutely no need to be there....I certainly don't support it.

B. Bare assertion and logical fallacy is just you trying to be clever....The evidence of colonialist brutality is not a secret, as you would well know, if you were clever.

C. Agreement.

D. I'm not saying that morals are either important or unimportant....One outputs modified data, which is based upon acquired and stored data/conditioning....Morals are not independent entities that float around in the atmosphere. 

A. So... You're definitely selectively moral.

B. Read and weep.

C. So..... Do humans need to exist....Well that depends upon something that we can only speculate about.

D. Beating someone to death is just that....And not understanding is just that....And morals are intangible projections of internal electro-chemical systems....Thoughts

OOOOO...Touchy.....LOL

I like debaters with attitude....Ask Mr Ethan.

Your O.P. implies nothing, other than what it does.... Your O.P. is self contained, as are you.

As I stated originally.....Memory is the answer....it's a human specialism.

Life expectancy beyond the age of 40 is a very recent development in terms of hominid evolution. 

Until the development of antibiotics and vaccines, the average human lifespan was  about 25 years.

It wasn't just Neanderthals that GOD picked on.

And anyway, who are these 206 Neanderthals that you are so familiar with?

Yep. An  I.Q test, is more a test of acuity rather than a test of intelligence.

People do not always apply knowledge aptly and make sensible decisions.....

Meaning "sensible" within the broader context of social expectation and standards..

Hegemony was and is the basis of colonialism.

Though I think that most European colonialist aspirations have been pacified.

And Britain is now largely, a happy mix of people.....Though for sure, a few still have the racist bogeyman under the bed.