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That's a glib and very broad claim to make, and not easily lived up to.

There is caring and then there is caring.

The fact is, that you can only care about what you know.

And do you really care so much about all the lives that you might consider?

So let's try and get the measure of you.......Are you a vegetarian?

Exactly the point I made previously.

So it remains a no win situation for both theists and sceptics alike.

Nice one.

Notwithstanding the fact,  that I only  mentioned good atheists..... You also forgot that atheists don't believe.

Talk about digging holes.

Difference of opinion.

Such is the way of things.

And I assume that you are typically, selectively moral, and only consider the lives that you want to consider.

So, your emotive plea falls on deaf ears.

Morals are concepts and zygotes are flushed unknowingly down the toilet every day.

Pro-lifers only apply morals when they know about it.

And the majority of pro-lifers are all selectively moral anyway.

Same old contradictions.

A bloke in a boat rescued some goats and a cat, during a typical flood event....And the story tellers had a field day....Yep, you're correct on both counts.

If it rains a lot and the ground reaches saturation point, then water would appear to emanate from "The Fountains of the Deep" and consequently there would be the likelihood of a flood event.....Where I live, this happens regularly.

Yo haven't convinced me of anything yet.....Well, that's not quite true.

Supposition bordering on the delusional. 

The actuality of a specific GOD is unproveable....That's why this discussion is ongoing and unresolved.

The Christian Story is one of many similar hypotheses, typically embellished with super-nature to create a myth.

Nonetheless, the GOD PRINCIPLE is still a valid hypothesis....But it's unlikely to be a bloke with a big house in New York or Chicago....Or a big house anywhere.

As things stand, biblical heaven is only wishful thinking.

If the Christian GOD was in fact real, which would it prefer in it's house.?.... A good atheist or a bad believer.....

Language occurs.....It's the nature of the beast.

Thank you for this overly literal, autistic take...... Three cheers for language.

EtrnlVw.....Yep. I could twist and turn your answers back again and you could do the same again and so on and so on.

The fact is though, there are no facts.    Only  speculation based upon a naive hypothesis.

Heaven is a concept and can be what ever one imagines it to be.

Utanity...Your fervency is just indicative of your conditioning.....And after you die, you might or might not be disappointed....Who knows....But it does no harm to speculate.

Ok...... So your O.P. has been read thoroughly and my previous contention is pertinent and still stands.

The words Racism and Racist are just fine, when used appropriately....Just like the words Use and Misuse.

However your arrogance and attempts at pedanticism are beginning to make you "look stupid".

Though a pedant would argue that using the term "look stupid" in an imageless medium is stupid.

Such is the nature of semanticism.

 Racism and Racist, terms or words?....

The terms racist and racism cannot also be inaccurate words.

Terms might be inaccurate, but words are just words.

One persons heaven is another persons hell.

A mansion in New York or Chicago sounds like hell to me.

Heaven needs to be what one wants it to be, otherwise it's a flawed concept.

Though conventional ideas of heaven are flawed concepts anyway.

There's a slim chance that  internal processes might leave some sort of residual effect...Call it a soul if you like....But it's too speculative to say that this will include sentience.

O.K.

So what's GOD got to do with it?

And which GOD?

And as I stated...Limited life expectancy, wasn't just a Neanderthal expectation.

As I thought.

So I replied that I.Q. was more a measure of mental acuity that intelligence.

You got hung up on the word Yep.....Which you will see, is an  expression that I often use.....Meaning, I get your point.

If I don't get your point I will probably start with nope.....Bad habit perhaps.

Nonetheless, you should have got the gist of my response, without the need for all the kerfuffle.

Lovely word kerfuffle....Needs no definition.

A. You either support  the bombing of Afghani and  Iraqi civilians or you don't.....There's absolutely no need to be there....I certainly don't support it.

B. Bare assertion and logical fallacy is just you trying to be clever....The evidence of colonialist brutality is not a secret, as you would well know, if you were clever.

C. Agreement.

D. I'm not saying that morals are either important or unimportant....One outputs modified data, which is based upon acquired and stored data/conditioning....Morals are not independent entities that float around in the atmosphere. 

A. So... You're definitely selectively moral.

B. Read and weep.

C. So..... Do humans need to exist....Well that depends upon something that we can only speculate about.

D. Beating someone to death is just that....And not understanding is just that....And morals are intangible projections of internal electro-chemical systems....Thoughts

OOOOO...Touchy.....LOL

I like debaters with attitude....Ask Mr Ethan.

Your O.P. implies nothing, other than what it does.... Your O.P. is self contained, as are you.

As I stated originally.....Memory is the answer....it's a human specialism.

Life expectancy beyond the age of 40 is a very recent development in terms of hominid evolution. 

Until the development of antibiotics and vaccines, the average human lifespan was  about 25 years.

It wasn't just Neanderthals that GOD picked on.

And anyway, who are these 206 Neanderthals that you are so familiar with?

Yep. An  I.Q test, is more a test of acuity rather than a test of intelligence.

People do not always apply knowledge aptly and make sensible decisions.....

Meaning "sensible" within the broader context of social expectation and standards..

Hegemony was and is the basis of colonialism.

Though I think that most European colonialist aspirations have been pacified.

And Britain is now largely, a happy mix of people.....Though for sure, a few still have the racist bogeyman under the bed.

A. Well yes that's true.....But the circumstances that might prevent one form not being aware, would be exceptional....And expertise is not a requirement.

B. WW11/German colonialism/Japanese colonialism....British colonialism.....Spanish colonialism....Dutch colonialism.....Portuguese colonialism....French colonialism.....etc etc.

C. Fundamentally Instinct,  and subsequently memory and the acquired ability to manipulate data. 

D. It means that Crocs do not consider morality and that we only consider morality because we have time to make these things up and consider them.

Morals are an intangible concept....That actually mean more or less than something.

Yum Yum....Great!

A piece of string is defined by it's mass....But how long is it?

Racism is all about perceived difference and consequent information that is perpetuated as a result.....Whereas, politics is politics.

I'm sat on the fence and can see for sure, that racism is a two way street....What I am saying, is that until the street is all the same, there will always be a racism bogeyman.

Megalomania.

Which Planet did you just arrive from?

Since the 10th century Europeans have violated the f**k out of everyone that stood in their way....Which planet did you say?

You and I as humans refer to things as needs....I'm not sure that animals do the same....Animals are largely driven by the instinctive requirements of survival.

My point is that eating the flesh of animals and other creatures has up until fairly recently, been a human necessity/need (still is for some)....And then people like you came along.

Jump into a Croc infested river,  and the Croc's aren't going to moralise and ask questions

Hey, the pat on the back club is back.....Nice

Apple crumble and custard is great.

People say different things....And different people say different things.....So what?

We're all aware of the GOD principle....How specific or elaborate one cares to be is only limited by the limits of ones own data store and consequent imaginings.

Einstein was just another human that lived and died, and sometimes varied his data output.

It all boils down to the basics of human function in the end.

And in the end GOD dies with us.

How    Long   Is    a    Piece   of   String?

Yep Trump's still president and he's now behaving like a spoiled brat.....Your fired......Na Na Na Na Na.

I wasn't referring to votes....I was referring to Americans who can think for themselves.

The U.K. is founded on immigration, as is the U.S.A....Chinese, Spanish, Swahili.... Remember?.....The difference is that the U.S.A is a lot bigger and so there is still room to hide from reality.

We're all fed information, it's the nature of the beasts.....And you choose what you want to believe and I do the same.....And you still want to believe that the election was rigged and that your grey haired idol will continue to entertain the rest of us for another four years.

Yep. We conceptualise and turn physiology into feelings....And we do the same for dogs and other animals....And maybe animals have adapted to do the same.

The issue was about eating meat, rather than causing harm...The purposes and intentions contained therein, can be manipulated to suit either side of the argument, and we can construct varying morals as justification.

Again, "causing harm" is an emotional plea......And nothing to do with actual need......People will not starve if nourishment is available.... In certain regions of the world animals and fish and other sea creatures are still staples.....It's easy to pontificate from a position of comfort and security.

A tad arrogant and imbued with western extravagance.....Do you think that it was ok to bomb the f**k out of Afghan and Iraqi civillians?

I don't think that anyone is "Great"......That's the difference between you and I.

Human behaviour.

You have an influenced view of Abraham...Though not influenced by reality.....Same as me,  same as everyone.

Events as described, do not suggest to me a sober guy who actually met a God.

Isn't everything that exists already a part of a physical system.

Basically, the evolution of matter within the constraints of physical laws.

Reality:  Yep and they got rid of Trump.

I think that you are are referring to the Old White Guard, who are slowly dying out...More slowly in the U.S. than here in the U.K. perhaps

I would suggest that species evolution is unstoppable, and it's probably going to be  slightly darker and more egalitarian than what you are currently used to.

And don't forget I'm neither blue nor red nor orange or green....I just sit comfortably on the fence and tell things as I see them.

I don't know if animals conceptualise in this way.  They have instinctive behaviour, which we might interpret as feelings.

Standards become established as human society evolves..  And I think that I'm right in saying that not eating your neighbour is now  pretty much a global standard...... Whereas, the move towards a global standard of dietary morality based upon a flesh free diet is a long way off..... Basically these things change as the transfer of information from generation to generation changes.

There are already very good commercially available meat alternatives, derived from vegetable protein.  Whether there will be a widespread need for fully synthesised alternative proteins I don't know. I suppose that this depends to a great deal upon the long term sustainability of world eco-systems.

Yes...There is very little actual need for meat as a protein source....Though in Arctic Regions and poorer countries. there may well be cost and sustainability factors to be taken into consideration.

You will have to explain this concept of yours as I don't quite get the point.

Though humans are already making very good meat alternatives out of vegetables.

I choose to consume a diet that doesn't include red or poultry meat, though I do include fish.....This is based purely on health and dietary reasons, rather than moral reasons.

Essentially the U.S. people didn't vote against republicanism, they voted to get rid of Trump, because thankfully, the saw him for what he was.

Which for a lot of us other world citizens, restored our faith in the American people somewhat.

There was no major fraud, that's just Trumpian conspiracy delusion.

Next time, why not just choose an intellectually competent candidate.

And for the record.... I think that Biden is far too old for the job.... But by far the lesser of two evils.

Republican, Democrat...All essentially the same....Just a different club.....A bit like football.

At least Trump didn't start any wars......Although he's still got a month or so to go....We're not quite out of the woods yet.

Given the nature of the location and the availability of narcotics....Abraham was probable of his head.

Seriously.

We tend to overlook the fact that shamanism is often linked to narcotics use.

And back in the day, and given peoples lack of knowledge, this would more than likely have been considered to be acceptable behaviour.

Getting in touch with the spirit world and all that kind of stuff, people love it.

We generally don't eat Lions and Tigers, but perhaps the occasional Shark or Crocodile.

It's usually things like Cattle, Sheep, Chickens and Pigs.

Though Pigs will eat you given the opportunity, but they don't necessarily prey on humans.

Therefore your argument, though not exactly incorrect, was nonetheless a tad basic. 

As a realist I would say that killing living material for the purposes of consumption and nutrition, is natural and therefore acceptable.

The vegetarian argument is based upon selective perception/differentiation coupled with an assumed morality...Which is fundamentally not natural, but is undoubtedly a natural consequence of human development.

So if humans continue to evolve in this direction, there is a strong chance that one day we will be a wholly vegetarian species.

Doesn't take much to create a legend these days.

And am I to assume that you are a tree?

I would agree

Pornography stimulates primary drive, unnecessarily.

I couldn't argue that Hitler didn't rig elections.

But can you unequivocally prove that he did?

Once again we're talking about the phenomenon of the charismatic megalomaniac and a gullible flock.

There is also so much evidence to suggest that Mr Trump is a megalomaniac.

And believing and acting upon what a megalomaniac tells you is and was a recipe for disaster.

It was quite saddening to see republican supporters behaving like sheep.

Especially as the U.S.A. is the nation that identifies itself as being the No.1 in support of democracy and freedom from tyranny.

The charismatic megalomaniac  duping the gullible masses..... It's an age worn phenomenon, that the U.S.A has been fighting against all around the globe, for years.

And you couldn't recognise it in your own backyard.

Absolutely....Your personal life is sacraosanct.

I just thought that I had seen the word female in your profile....I probably confused you with someone else.

Are you suggesting that there was always something?........Was there ever nothing?

 Mr Ethan's tactics are not an issue for me as I enjoy countering them.

I debate  sincerely, though sometimes with the occasional light hearted comment thrown in,  and I do all this purely as a mental exercise rather than any desire to minds.

As for slipping back....Yes. Mr Ethan has a tendency to take things to heart and loose their cool....But I see this as just a character trait rather than anything worryingly, more sinister....His edginess doesn't bother me in the slightest, in fact it makes him an all the more interesting to debate with.