zedvictor4

Biased Democrats will obviously dislike biased Republicans and vice versa..... As exemplified by your good self.

@RationalMadman

And do you think that China is being wholly honest.

And how much heed do you think Russia and China actually pay to U.N. mandates.  Especially when you consider who might regard themselves to be the main shot callers.

And in the context of the Flat Earth subject, N.A.S.A founded in 1958 is somewhat if not wholly irrelevant. All spheroid Earth subterfuge would have  been initiated, millennia previously by European and Middle Eastern Scholars, long before the U.S.A was ever dreamed of.

And the purpose of such subterfuge would seem to be purposeless, as the Earth might just as well be spheroid as  be flat.

And do you have a persecution complex?....Because, why do you feel that  a valid Forum response is someone trolling you?....No one else on this site is as fearful.

You're playing dumb now.

Read and analyse, and a person of your self reputation should easily understand.

We will all tend to limit the scope of evidence, or perhaps more correctly, cherry pick suitable evidence and disregard evidence that doesn't suit our mindset.....As conditioned individuals, we have strongly established ideas that we protect, often zealously. 

I think that I have a pretty flexible mindset when it comes to creation hypotheses, in so much as I readily accept a GOD principle as logical.  The hyperbole of accompanying religious myth is somewhat harder to take seriously,  but I nonetheless acknowledge  that myth will incorporate fact based data, though with a tendency to be somewhat exaggerated and fantastically embellished. 

Your particular use of the word "God" is very pertinent for some reason....  It somehow sums things up in nutshell....The accompanying rhetoric, though undoubtedly erudite, is rendered somewhat superfluous.

I'll keep walking in circles....Content in the knowledge that you are well aware of what I mean.

I have no reason to be biased, whereas you may have.

Nonetheless, digging up old dead men is  simply digging the dirt.

@RationalMadman

A wildly inaccurate statement.

There are no real qualifications though.

Pseudo-qualification and sincerity, still  doesn't validate the  Christian god hypothesis....Or the Christian god hypothesis doesn't validate your pseudo-qualifications or sincerity.

You might or might not be counselling troubled people with invalid data.

Compatible is as compatible does.

Lay them side by side and there wouldn't be any problems.

People are the things that assume to have incompatible ideas.

For me...Creation then evolution..... And god theories evolved alongside the evolution of consciousness and memory.

@RationalMadman

It was known by those that knew.

Nonetheless in relative terms the U.S.A. and obviously N.A.S.A (1958) are spring chickens.

Information isn't the sole preserve of the U.S.A. you know....Far from it.

Ask Zeno.

Nice try.

But they are probably similarly racist underneath.

The relevant question is, who is currently more proactively racist.

And race doesn't necessarily mean black and white.

The most enjoyable Asian sport, is mixed naked mud wrestling.  (Lightweight division) (Pro)

Given that the Earth was known to be spheroid long before The U.S.A,  N.A.S.A and their co-conspirators we even heard of.....Means that the B.O.P.  lies somewhere between "Flat Earthers" and their therapists.

Like a lot of Americans you appear to have a partisan "fixation".

And the question was simple. "Black community"

And my reference to Obama only suggested inspiration as a benefit and did not mention economics....Though the distribution of wealth, is largely governed by the supply of wealth, irrespective of who is in charge....Swings and roundabouts, as it were.

Interesting how my reference to Obama, stimulated partisan prejudices though.

I have never said this.

You extrapolated an incorrect assumption from my opening data sequence.

It's interesting though that you assumed I was  referring to Trump. And also interesting that you must have largely ignored following data sequences that firmly stated to the contrary.

Interesting.... Because this is how so often, misinterpretation of data becomes such a effective, divisive and manipulative political tool.

Knowledge ultimately is power.

And in the grand scheme of things, Putin will be long dead and largely forgotten.

And if A.I./other intelligence, is eventually responsible for the demise of organic intelligence, it could be argued that this was perhaps an evolutionary requirement.

As I tried to suggest initially,  given their ages, Trump and Biden are probably similarly conditioned. How they are able to manage and output data relative to modern expectations is what currently makes the difference.

My point is, that utilising old data output that was relative to past expectations, as a discrediting tool, is a tad disingenuous and cynical.

Of course, this is one of the drawbacks of having wealthy, old, male Caucasians  as potential spokespeople for a modern racially diverse society.

Nope....The Earth is spheroid as we all well know, and latitude and longitude are human points of reference only....As are N S E and W.

Perhaps you misunderstood my intent.

Regards.

Putin doesn't have the knowledge or mental capability to develop it....Super intelligent people will do that.

Though eventually super-smart A.I. will probably develop itself.

A.I. evolution is in it's infancy, so give it time.

How long has it taken humanity to evolve to it's current levels of technological knowledge and understanding?

Things will continue to develop for thousands of years after we have perished.

The South is bigger than the North don't you know?

Depends upon your point of reference I suppose.

Maybe the South starts at the equator and the North starts at the Arctic Circle.

Of course if the division between East and West is 0 degrees longitude, then in the U.S.A the West will be bigger than the East, whereas in the U.K. they are exactly the same size.

Or is that just being silly?

Are we talking the same Byrd and the same Strom..... Both dead and buried.....Products of a different era.

If you had been born and raised in the same era you would almost certainly been as racial motivated as they were.

Times change and the living have  to adapt.....Stop worrying about dead men.

The question specifically asked who had done what for the "Black Community".  Not, who had done what for the U.S.A.

You've hijacked the issue somewhat. Seemingly for purposes other than what was intended.

I would suggest that the term "Sons of god", was never meant to be anything other than a metaphor.

@RationalMadman

Neither hedonism nor stoicism.

Just a bloke that gets up in the morning and goes to bed in the evening....Contentment is my goal.

And philosophy is as simple or as academic, in as far you care to take it..... The same with any  thought application.....I enjoy listening to music occasionally, but I do not strive to be an orchestral musician, and neither do I flog my self with disappointment at not achieving such.

Worrying philosophical overthink does not achieve contentment.

There's doing things and then there's doing things.

And it's no good judging the past by todays standards.

Obviously in terms of inspiration, Obama will have done more than Trump....Though that's forgotten, and move on.

And what Trump might have achieved so far, is forgotten and move on.

Whether or not the "Black Community" ( Interesting segregationist reference) or the wider community are still suitably impressed by Trump, remains to be seen.

@RationalMadman

Atheism, nihilism  and theism are all abstract concepts,  which we utilise either more or less relative to our own conditioning and data processing tendencies.

In reality we are neither atheist of nihilist we are just human beings whose primary focuses are survival and sex. Everything else is is as relevant or irrelevant as we individually make it.

For me, atheism and theism are similar considerations that do not impinge upon my existence at all.  They are no more than interesting concepts to discuss for an hour or so in the morning, and then forgotten.

I have a life full of other more demanding considerations and interests, which will continue to make my short existence on this planet purposeful.

 

Nope.

Old men, probably similarly conditioned, the difference being how they are able to adapt to modern expectations.

And  Storm Thurmond was of the day and is now totally irrelevant.

Utilising old data as a discrediting tool is only to be expected.

Everyone is racist....It's the inevitability of perceivable difference.

Though some people are more overtly racist than others.

To reiterate the point that I was making.

Being a financially successful individual is just fine....... But without everyone else, your success and wealth are worthless.

Needing to be part of a system, whilst wanting to be separate from the system, is a tad --------.  You choose the word I do not wish to appear too cynical.

Canada isn't the U.S and logically an assault rifle isn't the best tool for the requirements of the day to day criminal. Way more comfortable to stick a hand gun down your pants.

Nonetheless assault rifles are an unnecessary extension of the libido.

And guns are never responsible for crime....People are!

Yep I generally agree.

Though there comes a point socially where one questions how much money one person actually requires to live a lavish lifestyle.

After all, society is a collective and money is a collective tool......Without an ordered society a billionaires money is worthless.

Nope.....Never smoked.

Every statement I made was  logical and plausible.

A. The bible tale, typically focuses on "special"  individuals, which is a fiction or myth format that we are very familiar with. So very few specifically mentioned witnesses.

B. The use of stimulants to achieve an altered state of mind and communicate with  the spirit world is nothing new. I'm sure that back in the day such  practises would have been commonplace and highly regarded, especially in a region known for the production and use of such substances. Kat  and hashish for example are still very popular today.

Explains a lot really doesn't it?

We all dislike paying tax.

Though I think that it is fair to say that we would all dislike no tax even more.

Nonetheless , flat tax would be OK,  if there weren't loopholes built into the system.

Think about it logically.

Who made all these biblical claims?...Was it ordinary everyday folk, or was it shamanic individuals.

A bloke goes up a mountain and smokes a few joints, or chews a few leaves, or has a few bevvies and has a chat with a god....Now that's plausible.

And all these witnesses....There weren't actually that many, were there?....Most witness is just repetition.

Studying the past and the future is what humans are inclined to do.....Either for a reason, or just because we are inclined to.....

The evolutionary development of organic intelligence and ongoing Alternative Intelligence, is a lot to put down to pure chance.

So I currently run with the notion of creation/GOD principle, development, decline, re-initiaton etc etc....What this would ultimately achieve, I have no idea....Ultimately it  would all seem to be pretty pointless.

Or maybe it is all the work of an ethereal, Caucasian looking, beardy guy who has floated around an infinite space, for ever, eventually got bored, and so decided to brighten things up a bit.  

All seemingly a tad illogical, as is nothing at all. 

I think that the use of hallucinogenic and mind altering substances was probably rife back in the day.....Seriously.

It's only latterly that we have come to understand the negative implications of substance abuse.

Let's just see what happens?

Sliding into apostasy....Sounds fun....Is that a bit like mixed naked mud wrestling?

Trump want's to be a dictator.

Thank goodness for the second amendment hey?

If you want something , then people can be persuaded to give it to you.

Maybe we are here to have one eye on the future and one eye on the past....Ultimately, events that might converge.....GOD principle.

Do you think that there are others, elsewhere, doing the same?

Concepts are as concepts do.

And catechumen is a lovely word.

And orthodox educating is as orthodox educating does...... ( Does it come with tea and cake?)

And GOD principle maybe.

We can but speculate.

@RationalMadman

Exactly.....Selective morality.

It's not a criticism, just undeniable and obvious, and I'm no different.

Selective morality = survival of the species....Not just in dietary terms.

Cute and fluffy  v  green and seemingly expressionless, silent and inert....Easy decision for some, especially as there are suitably nutritional alternatives readily available.

Overthink..... Which is the defining nature of the beast.

@RationalMadman

Vegans rely on consuming previously living organic material, just like everyone else. 

Just not cute fluffy stuff.

Selective morality.

It's like the abortion argument.

It's not the killing that's the problem, it's the cuteness or potential cuteness of the victim.

Typically selective human morality.

Mrs Lion will have which ever is easiest to catch......She tends not to over think the situation.

There is no difference.

Or it would be perfect if there were no difference....But we are all different and separate from each other and act individually.

Lumping individuals together under one of two labels, doesn't imply "behavioural" certainty..... Far from it.

Acceptance of deistic hypotheses, is no guarantee of an individuals state of mind.

How do you separate them out?

Do they emanate in separate bubbles, from separate mechanisms with separate data input sources?

When is objectivity not subjective?

Or at what point does subjectivity become objective?

Crazy is as crazy does. 

I think therefore I am is the best validation.

And you may or may not, only have a lifetime to think about it.

And hypotheses abound, but all start somewhere between 0 and 1.

Hatred.... That's a very intense emotional response to a fruit....Did it sleep with your partner or kill your children or do something similarly disrespectful?

I attempt to define things as they are known, rather than as I imagine them to be.

I'm also aware that any notions of creation that I might hold, are purely hypothetical.

Just like the valid but nonetheless illogical and "narrow" Christian hypothesis that you subscribe to.

And the Christian hypothesis "begs so many questions".

Like:  Where did god come from?