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Cleansing in water....What a bizarre thing to do....Who ever thought of that.....Give the guy a certificate.

Anything you want them to be, or none.

Though firstly we need to establish what the creator might be, if anything at all.

Because continuing debate shows us that one persons logic is another persons illogic.

Perhaps I should have said, that logic is not consistent.

And you're right, ontology is as ontology does. 

Yep floods is a consequence of weather and water.....All backs up my Great Goat Flood theory....... And the bloke with a reasonably sized boat.....And the ever taller and taller tales that ensued......Myths and legends.....A peoples favourite.....And people are still led to believe that it's all true....And people still believe that it's all true.....That's conditioning for you.

Were Neanderthals saved?

It seems far more logical to me, that something that cannot be proven to exist is unlikely to exist.

Proving that something doesn't exist is unnecessary, if said something cannot be proven to exist in the first place.

Let's take the flying spaghetti monster for example.....Do you find it necessary to disprove it's existence?

I think that this just goes prove, that logic is not reliably logical. 

Generations come and go and so do traditions.

We have a tendency to pick and choose though.

Nonetheless, abortion has become a tradition.

And so has anti-abortion.

Exactly....Case not proven.

Nope. The Americans would have a canal and the Panamanians wouldn't....That's not par.

When does a tradition become a tradition?

Anything can be a paradigm example of confirmation bias...Next comes climate change denial.

Reality is, what ever that might be....Everything inside a human brain.....But not necessarily anything inside a human's brain.

You've got no more chance of pinning it down than I have.

It was certainly sexist by todays standards.

Confirmation bias....Same applies to Christian creationists.

Though, I am a creationist evolutionist, so I have no bias then?

I just think that the CHRISTIAN GOD creation-hypothesis is extremely flawed and therefore unlikely.

Some might argue that spirituality is a state of mind rather than actual existence.

I was under the impression that only men were Levites.... A bit sexist I know, but the bible is extremely sexist.

In terms of a habitable environment, is the Earth perfect?

The Earth is tenuously habitable only by virtue of it's location within a dynamic solar system.

So as far as habitable real estate goes, is GOD a bit of a rogue landlord?

1. Yep. The coma idea is valid.

2. Mary was unfaithful and hatched a cunning plan with a cunning lover and gullible Joe fell for it. D'oh.  Must have been an influential lover as she managed to avoid a stoning.

3. The universe was created, thus giving rise to a variety of GOD principles, of which christianity is but one.

4. Not literally....Mythical pseudo-hypothesis.

5. Probably a local but extensive flood event whereby a guy rescued some goats in a boat....A tale retold and exaggerated.

6. We know that the Earth isn't 6000 - 10000 years old. That's just a figure derived from a myth based pseudo-hypothesis....Refusing to admit this is just pig headedness.

7.  As a myth, the bible is a collection of exaggerated hand-me-down tales, which are probably based upon factual events that occurred in real places. Factor in a lot of fanciful supernatural GOD hypothesising, and you end up with elements of truth and an awful lot of baloney.

Why to which bit?... Or to all of it?

Though if your profile is to be believed, then you should be clever enough to work it out.

Humanity made in a GODS image and a GOD made in humanities image is exactly the same thing, if you think about it from a human perspective....Which after all, is the only way that people do think.

Humanity creates GODS in its image, and humanity creates GODS that create humanity in it's image.....It's all man made.

Reconciliation with GOD is a very good analogy for being nothing more or less than the rest of the universe.

You give your life meaning because that it what you are programmed to do, and if that includes believing in a specific GOD, then that is absolutely fine.

My life has meaning without the need for belief in a specific GOD.

Nonetheless, should there be a specific GOD, I expect that they would be wise and noble enough to understand.

Even people on remote islands got there somehow.

Not recognising material evolution is just plain silly.

Material development/evolution is a key element of any universal hypothesis.

A  god did not create today, today.

Don't get hung up on Darwin. He was only concerned with a brief period of development.

A GOD principle and evolution work perfectly well together.

Even the bible evolved.

I do not try and prove your version of things, wrong..... I can simply see the obvious holes in it, and I point them out...Obviously, such is the nature of the biblical stories that it's easy to cover up the holes.....Nonetheless the holes are still there.

LOL.... Other than god or not god, which in terms of reality and function is an equality,  your beliefs Trade, are exactly the same processes as Stephens. 

And no one can ignore the realities of life.

And inactive idle people are "lazy"......Which is a label that can be applied to both theists and atheists alike.

Being content to live in isolation without money, in a temperate environment, would be freedom from capitalist oppression, but immediate subjection to the oppression of survival.

In terms of freedom it's a no win situation.

Contentment within a capitalist society is perhaps as good as it get's.....Which doesn't necessarily mean striving to acquire wealth....Just an easily affordable day to day routine with no greater expectations....After all a kitchen is a kitchen, so why would you need a newer one.

Sorry, but when I think about materialism, I always think of fitted kitchens for some reason.

We all recognize differences..... But this does not necessarily prejudice us......This would depend greatly upon our formative conditioning, and so I would confidently conclude that Donald Trump was probably and unavoidably conditioned to be prejudiced.....We can certainly modify our behaviour in response to a changing and more tolerant society, but it is difficult to re-programme our underlying influences completely.

It's as feasible an hypothesis as any other, taking into account certain popular factors.

Initiation event>expansion> material evolution>GOD principle>universal decline/regression>physical singularity>re-initiation.

The soul thing is interesting in terms of an accumulated universal component/GOD principle. Though I tend to think that advanced technologies will formulate the the GOD principle, that will enable re-initiation.....Our purpose is to enable the evolution of  technology.   

I  use the word GOD, as it is an immediate point of reference and also because a purposeful sequence of a physical events may require a catalyst. Though In terms of mainstream theism, I am a non-participant. 

Had a quick wiki look at Arp, which only refers to his his work in mainstream astronomy.  So how do you tie Arp's hypotheses in with your more esoteric take on things.

This notion of yours  would seem to concur with mine above....The ceding of responsibility to a greater intelligence....Fragile organic intelligence handing over the responsibility of the universal sequence to a more robust inorganic intelligence. Whether or not we are able to participate all the way to a universal conclusion is something I also consider, and I see no reason why we would "no longer be human anymore" if we did.

That's a biased opinion.

Oxford dictionaries:  An occurrence can suggest a logical consequence.

To know ones state of mind is to pretend.

Though to forget that one is pretending is to lose ones mind.

Tablet 7, must be between tablet 6 and tablet 8.  Otherwise it is just the tablet.

Nope.... I said cause and effect implies purpose, rather than requires purpose.

It's a thought, but physicists might disagree with you.

On what evidence do you base your thoughts.

Nonetheless, do you also think that humanity will go on for ever?

My current thoughts are, that this sequence of events that we find ourselves a part of, have happened before and will probably happen again.

True.  But what is belief?

It's a word that ambiguously defines something.

And imagination is what we base belief upon.

In fact if you think about it without imagination nothing would change, we would still be dunking them in the pond rather than a nice font, and sin would always be fun. In fact we wouldn't be dunking them at all.

Nonetheless baptism is for repressive types.

Thou shalt keepest thy member within thy trousers, or be damned by some god bloke...Splish splash splosh, now run along and stone an adulteress to death, for god lovest a good stoning. I err he findeth it quite exciting. OOOOH!

Baptism is therefore for repressive hypocritical types...... Or mummies or daddies of course who want to be seen to do things properly.

Nope. Fortunately the camera obscura had been invented by then.

Nonetheless my points are wholly valid and you seem to have ignored them.

You religious guys just have a personally stylised version of biblical stuff , irrespective of the obvious inaccuracies and contradictions the bible contains. Whereas a sceptic accepts the bible, for what it actually is. A compilation of various versions of tales, relative to certain events that may or may not have occurred in a narrowly defined region, some 2000 or more years ago.

A mythology, or if you prefer a mythological hypothesis put forward by a collection of people who were reasonably well educated for the time, but nonetheless ignorant of so much.

I've said it twice and it's factually correct as far as anyone actually knows.

Any other sin based bulls**t as far as anyone actually knows, is sin based bulls**t.

Media is as biased as you allow it to be and therein lies the issue.

If you are a certain age then you will more than likely be addicted to media technology, the ultimate goal of which is uncertain, but current goals have been achieved. I would suggest  that a lot of people are slightly less free than people used to be. 

And if capitalist tyranny means freedom from human tyranny, then I think that I prefer it that way....Fortunately or not I haven't been able to make comparisons.

As for technological tyranny....Well I think  we have just got to run with it or get left behind....Though I think that we will eventually be out paced.

At the time of Jesus's birth (If we are to accept such as factual) the Earth was well populated and humankind well distributed. So terms like Levite and Judahite are only locally relevant....So Jesus being the son of a universal god and only the adopted son of a local carpenter is surely of universal heritage....

The fact that gullible Joe's heritage is uncertain is probably just reflective of poor record keeping....

Point of fact:  My Great Grandfather according to official records has 4 different surnames, and that was record keeping from only 120 years ago....All down to misinterpretation and misspelling. So the chances of biblical accounts being accurate are practically zero.

Joseph who?

Wild imagination and a pond.

There must have been a coin.

There is a coin, but not necessarily where it could be.

Of course, whether lives matter or not is actually a question we do not know the answer to.

And we are all selectively moral and biased in our regard for life anyway.

And that's assuming that morality might actually mean something.

It's interesting how people of "mixed parentage" tend to assume blackness....Maybe black is the default setting.

A few thousand years from now, if humanity survives.  I suspect that the human species will have on the whole, reverted to type B.

There might still be a few of them there rednecks hiding in the back woods somewhere....That's assuming that there are still some backwoods left to hide in of course.

Though B as it currently stands is more representative of origin, and far less to do with skin tone.

Yep...And cause and effect imply purpose rather than randomness.

Hey. The guy knew the risks and didn't bother to take the precautions...He's only got himself to blame...And yep, hopefully a message to others on the left or right with the same laissez faire attitude.

He might be the most inept President ever....But get well soon Donald.

It's the one that comes after tablet 6, and before tablet 8.

Yep.... I was only saying recently that humans have a fascination for both, ball action and watching other peoples ball action.

It must be an evolutionary thing.   

I agree that BLM is a counter-intuitive slogan.

I also agree that ALM is more appropriate where equality is concerned.

I'm not sure what "extreme equality" might be, because as I see it equality is either equality or not.

Extreme equality would seem to just reverse the polarities of inequality, which I suppose you might say is what the BLM slogan inadvertently or even deliberately does.

Which brings me nicely back to Animal Farm.

What what?

Not really, if things are preordained.

Though perhaps you only dwell on humanity rather than a bigger picture.

Or.... Do you think that we will make it to the end of the universe?

True...So much to choose from.

A person throwing a ball, at another person who is attempting to hit said ball with a stick....Sounds like cricket to me....Different outfits though.

It's interesting how people gain such amusement from playing with their balls.