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Can you name me a truly socialist nation?

And not just a nation with a nominally socialist government.

There's changing ones mind...Oh I'll have rose instead of white.

Then there is changing ones mind or having ones mind changed....De-programming  and re-programming.

The vagaries of language.

And analogies can be as complex as one requires....And the human brain especially, is seemingly an amazing piece of organic development....An evolutionary necessity some might say.....But perhaps not the be all and end all of the universe and intelligence therein.

The Ultimate data....The GOD principle.....The universal resurrection.

Yep long and tedious....I gave up eventually, as it was getting late.

So was the conclusion to the exercise, that Iraqi bitumen is better than Indian bitumen?

And  was Noah an Iraqi coracle builder, who wasn't actually known as Noah?

Though what I listened to seemed to concur with my notion of a localised flood and the rescue of some local beasts.

And the fact that it is possible to accurately calculate the material needed to build a boat of any size is not particularly inspiring information...Its what any good quantity surveyor should be capable of.

And though Noah must have had an awful  lot of assistance.....Isn't there always one person that gets all the credit....Typical.

So what did you find informative and gratifying?

Well I'm "rambling" on trying to make sense of your post.

Though  you appear to be admitting that you post is "nonsense".

And "confiscating my private property" is seemingly more nonsense.... Unless you can make sense of it for me.

I was just offering my appraisal of P.C.

My ultimate goal is to have lived a reasonably long and healthy life and have an easy death. Hopefully I will have been treated fairly in the meantime, just as I will have endeavoured to treat people fairly.

And collective sportsmanship has no doubt been affected by P.C. but you probably don't even notice the effect.

And the cultural differences between "East" and "West" are what they are, because of how they became.

And Kim Jong-Un is a product of one said culture and probably not a lunatic in the true sense of the word.

P.C. is in fact, something and nothing....It's just a reference to social evolution....And you seem to be somewhat more concerned about it than I am.

In essence P.C. is good because it attempts to improve society and social equality. Opposition occurs when you try and encourage people to ditch well established ideas or methodology.

P.C. is very much a generational evolution of social behaviour and function, and is therefore probably an inevitable outcome of general species evolution.  

As individuals, how we are influenced by or react to P.C. is largely down to age and/or conditioning.

You probably don't pay much attention to it because you are currently happy to go along with it, which is probably reflective of you as a person and the social environment in which you live.... Though  as you get older you may find that P.C. does start to affect established ideas.....

P.C. doesn't really impinge upon my lifestyle or social environment either. Though I do like to keep my eye on the ball, even if just to to be able to make social comment.

Also, I think that on the whole, equality,  fairness and tolerance are quite virtuous.

As it stands, the above comment makes no sense whatsoever.

Please explain:

How freedom influences taxation, or how taxation influences freedom....And how illegal immigration, either does or doesn't influence taxation or freedom or both.

For your consideration:

Magical freewill by it's own definition would have an external influence. Ergo not free.

I would hold, that conscious effort is as free as it gets.

And I was only pointing out that de-programming and re-programming is not the same as changing ones mind or altering preferences.

Biology is certainly hardware.

Instinct/inherent data, is an operating system.

All acquired  data uploaded/downloaded to memory is software.

I think that "firmware" is an inappropriate analogy.

it could be argued that we have an instinctive operating system, but also create a conscious operating system, from memory (free will).

Further: Free will allows us to influence material evolution (technological development).

Or maybe everything is part of one big universal masterplan (GOD PRINCIPLE).

I would suggest that it is simply a case of who uses D'art and for what purpose and by what means....And certainly, not be taken too seriously.

Age and social conditioning has a lot to do with it.

Yep. Crazy brain stuff....And I wouldn't suggest for one minute that I understand how memory (database) actually works, or how the brain separates functional data (instinct) from acquired data.

Though as I see it....Cause and effect are......The difference between function and non-function....So the inevitable precursor to decision making.

Making decisions....Conscious effort (effect) stimulated by cause....Decisions by definition allow for choice (free will).

Social factors...Data input (cause) may influence your decision, though you are still free to choose....Alternative data output options/ modification of data store.

Though, can we differentiate between cause and influence?....I would say that cause (social factor) is an external stimulus (perception), whereas influence is an internally generated effect.

Paedophilia:  Same primary drive....Alternative modus operandi.....Orientation acquired at some level of development (nature or nurture)....I think that the jury is still out as to which level exactly.

The act is outlawed by an established idea of right and wrong....Just as other acts were once outlawed.

Primary drive is, whereas social condemnation or justification becomes.

I think that all of the above just goes to prove that the Ark story is probably something of an exaggerated myth.

As I suggested elsewhere, it was perhaps derived from hand me down tales, whereby some guy probably rescued a few goats from a flooded pasture in a small boat.

True.

So in simpler terms, theism and associated deities are made up and modified to suit  the demands of ignorance.

I would suggest that one cannot re-programme.

All that one can do is either expand ones database and therefore modify output, or simply re-organise ones  pre-existing data store.  (Alter ones outlook).......One cannot de-programme and re-programme at will.

I would further suggest that "free will" is at best, conscious effort as opposed to instinctively driven function. 

Social factors that have a bearing on conscious effort might impinge on freedom of expression, but do not necessarily inhibit freedom of thought....Though, nothing other than physiological malfunction will affect instinctively driven function.

Social factors  may  cause you to make alternative decisions (wine) so you  simply modify a pre-existing data programme, (conscious effort or free will)..... Therefore in this instance one can clearly make distinctions between cause and effect, and free will.

What wasn't Jesus?

#31.

Nope.    It just doesn't work like that....

Pay more = cost more.... Which isn't what the consumer wants...The consumer will happily buy cheaper Chinese imports.

Greta is as Greta does....To be taken seriously and not to be taken too seriously.

Why are you fixated on a 17 year old Swedish school girl?

Who's destroying the nation though?

China's just capitalising on the U.S's  internal disorganisation and the over expectancy of the "American" people.

If you don't want cheap labour from south of the border, then who's going to do all the cheap and dirty manufacturing work that "Americans" just  aren't  interested in any more.

Same here in the U.K....Industries such as agricultural, hospitality, healthcare, food production. etc. etc. etc. Would have ground to a halt years ago if it wasn't for the efforts of hard working people from Eastern Europe, Asia, North Africa etc.

Team China's going, and there's F all we can do about it.

And Trumps posturing ain't going to worry them much.

If the U.S. cannot produce a commodity profitably then somewhere else is going to do it....Who's fault is that?...And credit where credit's due.

And statistics is statistics and the statistics I referred to are totally pertinent...The problem for you is, they are not statistics that you want to hear.

And of course you are fearful and a tad jealous of a rapidly expanding super-power  just across the pond.

Earth is spheroid, not just round. .......A flat Earth could be round.

And everyone knows that the Earth is spheroid....It's just that some people like to make out that they are different.....Flat Earthers for the sake of it, as it were.

If and why.....Yep,  there is  always the possibility....Though, Alternative Intelligence sources might just regard us as a somewhat illogical.

China has over 4 times the population of the U.S.A.....So per capita, only 3 times the CO2 output is much better in comparison.. 

And anyway,  who is going to produce all those cheap commodities that we all so greatly desire.

Good old China...Providing for the World.

The flood could easily be based upon an extreme weather event,  and the bloke and his much smaller boat perhaps rescued a few goats. Though like a lot of archaic, hand me down yarns, these stories get embellished and exaggerated and eventually attain a mythological status.

Sensible folk like you and I can understand such myths for what they are.

He was a lazy carpenter who drank a lot of wine and preferred  to hang about with men rather than with women.....Well that's my understanding of the myth.

But you're correct on two counts.... There was no mention of him having a pilots licence and he died 2000 years ago. (Assuming that he was a real person of course)

Nope....It was deluded religious folk who flew the airplanes into the towers.

Not saying that a GOD principle is necessarily delusional though....Just that people are often deluded by religion.

Here you are son, strap on this vest and go f**k some virgins...I'd like to do it myself but I'm to busy recruiting simpleto--, I mean martyrs like you.

Religion hey!....Who needs it.

Truth either is or isn't a misconception.

And steak is bland chewy meat, unless you season it.

And fake steak is just as appetising if you season it.

Birth, life, death and nutrition is largely what you make of it.

And therein lies one inevitable outcome of perceivable difference.

And culture, black, white or anywhere in between, is the inevitability of memory and the seemingly overwhelming human need to live for the past rather than the future.

So which causes more problems for white folks?  White racism or white culture itself?

Though I think that it's fair to say that no one is actually black or white.

This isn't about Trump per se.  But he is nonetheless the figurehead of a regime that advocates old style supremacy.

As Orwell saw it though,  new style supremacy and old style supremacy will ultimately turn out to be one and the same. 

And to say that I trust authority blindly, is not to know me.

My Fathers advice to me was, trust no one.

Yep, we're all organic devices from the same mould, displaying variable programming and output.

I accept the idea of a GOD principle, but not a particular stylised deity....So does that make me atheist.

I certainly do not feel the need to make a song and dance about it on a Sunday morning.

Community under the name of religion....Though communities can function without religion. 

And Trump isn't scandal free?....LOL

I love Orwell too.

And some people are more equal than others....It's always the way.

Well.... Non violent civil disobedience is out of the window for sure.

And all the current escalations in racial and political tensions are just that....."Current"

I don't agree with either side of the argument.

But as a very on the political fence outside observer, it's quite clear who's rhetoric is attempting to stimulate a huge U.S social shift. And that's the guy in charge.

Trying to spin responsibility away from the guy running the show, is like blaming  Gorbachov for the Navalny poisoning. 

A feeling is a physiological response to something.

And a moral, is a label we apply to something.

Moral labels vary relative to how, where and when we acquired  information and associated responses. 

Carnivore v Vegan/Vegetarian is an obvious example.

Most if not all religions have a sense of community.

A lot depends on where one is born.

Totally wrong.

BLM was created in response to Trump's America.

If you hadn't noticed Donald is President and overseeing everything ,not Joe.

Typical spin, blaming the past and avoiding current  truths.

Unfortunately the choice of slogan "Black Lives Matter" is overtly racist, discriminatory and provocative.

All Lives Matter, would have been more noble, inclusive and less provocative.

And violence and vandalism are only short term gratification, rather than a means to an end.

Brother D won't be phased and Tradesecret can't ignore.

Brother D has it.

Ignorance is bliss.

What does this mean?

Was there an old influx?

And what is the average?

Morals do mean different things to different people, that's the unavoidable state of play. Just because you have a set of morals based loosely upon the Christian hypothesis, doesn't mean that they are universal morals....And I think that it is fair to say that not everyone that presents as a Christian will be as moralistic as you.

And the Christian biblical hypothesis isn't nonsense?...Perhaps you are a tad biased?......Though the Christian hypothesis may be correct, but no one actually knows. That's why I generalise and refer to creation hypotheses as GOD principle....Even chance happenstance comes under the remit of GOD principle. .....Something from nothing... Poof as if by magic everything appeared....Poof as if by magic a god appeared.....Same difference.

Depending upon your conditioning, a guy of some description is in your head, he's in my head too, he was put there when I was a kid and he will never go away.....A god created in our own image.....Swarthy, fair skinned or four armed.....Fortunately or unfortunately, there was also a strong atheist message in my formative years, so I grew up without a rigid belief in any god hypothesis...Such is human conditioning.

Actually prove the existence of a god, without going around the houses and beating about the biblical bush and I will be as content as the next theist.....Simple.

Nothing that Christianity currently has on offer is the slightest bit convincing though.

There are no problems with an infinite amount of time (or space) anyway....No god required.

A GOD principle is only a necessary agent of material processes..

The god you are arguing for, is the god you are arguing for.....No more and no less.

We do not as yet understand the GOD principle, and despite our supposed sophistication, we are nonetheless still reliant upon archaic myths and legends.

D'oh.

Conversely though, we have been the agents of a technological phase of evolution. Though "we" doesn't necessarily refer to 99% of the population, but rather to just the very few evolved innovators. Perhaps eventually though, the necessities of material evolution will exceed human capabilities altogether.....Maybe, if we can keep up, we will be allowed along for the ride as service agents.

And I think that it is fair to suggest, that we are already becoming slaves to technology.

The GOD principle will out, though more than likely, not the archaic god that you are arguing for.

Exactly.

GOD principle maybe eternal, and as such the fairer skinned guy or the swarthier one are viable hypotheses, nonetheless created in mans own image.

Though it's also pertinent to question whether GOD principle is responsible for humanity or if humanity is responsible for God principle.

"And morals are a variable human construct", means exactly what it says.....Interesting that you can't get your head around that simple statement.

Yep. I can run with that.

In so much as, you questioned things in relation to our residence, and the Earths atmosphere is essential in that respect. Though linguistically we define Earth and Earth's atmosphere separately.

Ok. But your opening question did ask was it "correct to say". 

The nature of the Earth and it's atmosphere and their associated life bearing qualities is quite well understood, and so the question did not require scientific scrutiny. The resolution of the question,  only really required semantic scrutiny.

Maybe it was you, that located a question in the wrong category.

Irony is.

And unironic irony is a contradiction.

And ironic seriousness is also something of a contradiction.

Though irony can be used to expound seriousness.....Which I suppose is being seriously ironic.

Being unironically serious, is being serious without the irony.

I think that you perhaps get bored.

Can you actually prove that human life really matters more than any other life?  (Religious assumption not being considered as actual proof).

I would assume that you are as selectively moral and biased as the next person.

After all, death and killing are essential for the sustenance of life.

I would suggest that everyone is selectively pro-choice and pro-life.

No.

Hair is an Interesting social issue though.

Nonetheless:

Life relies on an atmosphere, but does the Earth rely on an atmosphere?

So I fully accept your proposition. In so much as from a residents perspective we are wholly reliant on Planet Earth having an integral atmosphere.

Challenging language conventions thus, is probably not worth the effort though.

Yep....Chill buddy.