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All physiological actions are determined by the nature of their cause.

"Free will" really means freedom/spontaneity of thought and freedom to act upon such thoughts...I would argue  that thoughts are always responses to to a cause and that actions are responses to thoughts...Therefore the whole sequence of events from creation to death relies wholly upon varying levels of determinism.

And a god principle may be a part of the sequence... But not the ethereal Caucasian guy of the westernised Christian Bible.

So fully explain something from nothing without starting after the beginning.

I currently run with the idea of an oscillating universal sequence, in which intelligence/data is a key component. This also loosely addresses something-nothing-something as part of a sequence, but does not account for nothing-something.

As I see it, nothing-something has to be void of intelligence.....This has always been my argument.

Something-nothing -something fits nicely within the context of a finite universe, though I would question whether  this also implies that occupiable space is also finite. 

A good argument for Darwinian evolution...So what.

Certainly no argument for a Christian styled god.

No you don't do you lol, ironic ain't it.

Spirituality is gained through a physiological response to a certain stimulus....That is to say, that you create spirituality inside your own head because you wish to create spirituality inside your own head.

And within the myth there are obvious facts and there is obvious fantasy.

I would suggest at best, logical.

I run with certain unprovable principles just the same as you do...Though yours are perhaps somewhat more cosmetically embellished than mine.

Just about, thanks to your Jewish and Muslim brothers.

Ebuc is Ebuc, as we are all what we are.

And blocking is usually futile, as we have a tendency not to ignore anyway....As exemplified by your indirect communication through me.

And the antagonists on this site are often more entertaining and engaging than the a lot of the others.

Where as Mr Ethan gone, again?....Did I miss another banning?

Yep....Mythology...And you have no way of proving otherwise.

Nonetheless, that is not to imply that the naivety of the message does not contain a basic representation of a purpose. 

Strip away the mythology from most religions and you are left with the same basic principle.

And non-religious people such as myself, also tend not to be nihilistic.

Yep, and peace to all your fellow Abrahamists also...And all the other non- Christians too...Which is the  majority of the Worlds population.

That's assuming that Adam and Eve were created of course....And there's no verifiable proof of that....Only a mythological tale.

Non-human intelligence (No such thing as artificial intelligence) has got plenty of time to evolve, just as we have had plenty of time.

The interesting thing is, human intelligence is responsible for the development and advancement of non-human intelligence....Certainly could be regarded as a part of some sort of masterplan....Though it might be foolish to assume a masterplan for the benefit of humanity.

Hoyle...Intelligent universe....Your link.

Intelligent universe is all well and good...but wherefrom came the original intelligence source....if Hoyle proposes one then he needs to explain the other....Simple logic.

Its what's referred to as starting at the beginning....Rather than after the beginning....Most if not all creation hypotheses start after the beginning. 

In extreme circumstances 7.6 billion people are not going to adapt quickly enough, though one or two might do...Speculation.

And like you, I do not share F-laws overwhelming faith in the ability of the Earth to keep sustaining human demand at current levels, in the long term.

Though adapting to this issue is probably what we are currently in the process of doing. 

As far as I have always seen it the only basic law that needs to be overcome, is something cannot be created form nothing.

 Intelligence but not as a material entity, for sure...But wherefrom is the initial intelligence source.

And I will have to pass on the "five convex polyhedra of universe".

And I would suggest that Cosmic Laws are only relative to post-cosmic creation.

Well, there's a coincidence......I had cannellini beans yesterday and broad beans and cannellini beans this evening....I'm a beans fan.

Thanks for the info.

And here's to the next forty years.

Saw it and enjoyed it, probably 40 years ago....Perhaps it's worth another look, but definitely not 24/7 for 5 days.

Hoyle's hypothesis fell down in the first paragraph I read.... That is to say all hypotheses including Hoyle's require faith in the impossible.

To explain the possible one must first explain the impossible.

So a couple of simple questions relevent to your reply ( # 36) that you might understand then.

Why is christopher_best a hardened anti-theist rather than a toughened sceptic?

Are hardened theists not also possibly corrupt?

Priceless!

Though, the analogy of the analogy is sound enough.

Perhaps the universe is a Giants teardrop.

This would just mean that I wouldn't watch TV, or use social media for 5 days....Which isn't a bad thing.

Though what would the purpose of the exercise be?

Perhaps they are a toughened sceptic, rather than a hardened anti-theist.

Though perhaps, hardened/toughened theists don't even bother to feign to care...they simply attempt only to discredit.

Just a couple of observation based suggestions.

And if I'm going to be known as a fruit....I'd like to be  a plum.

Yep.

Information regarding Covid-19 is so woolly, I'm starting to become a conspiracy theorist.

People die....People are born....Same old shit for the time being Eugene.

Covid 19...One assumes that it is real...Though one knows no one that has had it, nor knows no one who knows anyone that has had it....I've only seen media images of people on ventilators and bemasked people in other countries burying the thousands of victims.

Do you actually have first hand experience?

Were you perhaps  bored or tired when you came up with this?

I suppose we are all egotistical to a certain degree, and to deny this would perhaps be extremely egotistical.

Event, duration, ergo Toyota flaw....But apparently not, so why?.....Answer this and you can rightly be deemed to exceed ego.

Well, just about every religion centred creation hypothesis is embellished with humanity based mythology.... In fact I cannot readily think of any examples that aren't.

And I have never seen any evidence to suggest that popular Abrahamism is any different.

So you win what?

The babbling contest perhaps.

Population is population and if population becomes unsustainable then it will....  I would agree that our inability to override instinct and work collectively to limit population, does seem somewhat contrary to our assumed advanced levels of intelligence (stupid)....Though I would suggest that as the demands of technological/data, evolution/development become ever greater, then the demand on humanity to produce innovators becomes greater also....Out of a million people, how many possess the intellectual acuity necessary to move material/data development forwards?......Perhaps most of us are here simply to service the needs of the few, and the need for the the few.....That is to say, that most of us are expendable.

Maybe one day there will be only one intelligence that knows what is required, and perhaps that intelligence will be referred to as GOD.

A supernatural tale very much in keeping with typical mythology based hypotheses.

Yep it's true.

Same people, different club, same basic hypothesis but differing styles of embellishment.

Unless you are a Martian of course, displaying alternative physiology.....And you know something that we humans don't know.

Exactly.

A. I agree.

B. The truth of material existence/creation.

C. I agree.

The truth of human existence might be as an integral part of a universal system's progression. So with reference to Point C. We may well eventually become redundant, having exceeded our ability to influence material evolution further...Human life will perish on Earth when human life is no longer sustainable on Earth and the jury is also out on whether we will ever leave this solar system and colonise elsewhere.

So is happiness the main purpose of human life?.....I doubt it.

Exactly....Until the truth is found the Jury's out.

Babbling common sense... Rather than mono-syllabic, non-explanatory opinions.

Not exactly the same...But basically the same.

Yep.  The right side is your side and the wrong side is the other, and they other guy thinks exactly the same.

And Russia or China will lean any way that suits.

Though for the reasons that you have given, the U.S. cannot afford to take it's eye of the Israeli ball for a minute....Therefore withdrawing is totally out of the question

See Dr Franklin.

Life might be either pointless or purposeful.....Because of either purpose or chance.....Jury's still out.

All medicines are derived from the universe, that is to say, nature.

Everything that occurs, occurs because it could.

Still doesn't validate the god hypothesis though.

God still remains firmly hypothetical.

So in laymen's terms, what does this mean in relation relation to the simulation hypothesis?

But do they really?

Is it possible to go all the way to infinity?

And Palestinians and Israelis are essentially the same people, but  just in a different religious club.

Similarly Judaism, Christianity and Islam are also essentially the same, just the different clubs.

Exactly the same thing as the Patriots, the Dolphins and the Jets....But football rather than religion.

Though I'm sure that to some people football is a religion.

Money and corruption, and a misguided sense of loyalty perhaps..

Oh!...And regional politics of course.....If the U.S. doesn't support Israel, then Russia or China will be more than happy to step into the U.S's shoes.

Without punctuation.

And with hyphenation.

Is this an explanation?

Or a ridiculous situation?

Sounds about right.

You'll have to blow up that mountain.

If we are all equal, then who has the power to allocate rewards?

Extreme socialism always fails because people are just not equal...We rely upon natural hierarchy to bring  order to society.

Currency or no currency, there will still be people with their begging bowls and others dishing out the rewards.

It's perhaps better to have currency, rather of the gun.

Yep. I get what you're saying.

Though we can create boundaries and differences that can be physically implemented, which therefore become realities....That is the human condition....The conversion of imagination into reality.

Agreed.

LOL.

People only expand if they eat too much.