zedvictor4

So Van Gough was Van Gough and in my opinion not a particularly talented artist.... Sometimes one goes with the popular flow sometimes one chooses not to.

Nonetheless you are still unable to grasp the point I make.  Maybe you are struggling too much against the current.

So as you are such a confident swimmer,  let me ask you two very simple questions.

1. How exactly does the human brain acquire, store, modify and utilise data?

2. How exactly does the brain  differentiate ciphers?

I would suggest that the process is the same, irrespective of the available number of ciphers....  One cipher is one bit or one sequence of bits.... The construction of and the awareness of a differing array of ciphers is simply the outcome of a process rather than the process itself and the ongoing modification and utilisation of ciphers is simply a function of the same basic process.

In short, we may create a million ciphers but we only have one process.

Have I been swept out to sea or is the water to shallow for you to go any further?

Different places, different social structure and organisation, different families, different values and deep respect for one's parents extends way beyond something as trivial as Sunday School.

And as such my definition of testament and covenant is accurate.

And your assumption that you know better is simply your assumption that you know better.

 

You assume that the inseparable are separable. 

That is to say, you suggest that values are separate to function.

I would suggest that function dictates values.

Just as function dictates your desire to procreate with the large breasted woman.

I disagree.

Genetically defined natural ability defines the formation and structure of natural social hierarchy.  Subjectivity and the utilisation thereof is simply another manifestation of the same processes.

And obviously altruism can be achieved "among a species" hence the development of the word altruism, but this is not representative of the human species as a whole.

And the subject matter is the U.S.  national debt and therefore inevitably, it's purposes and reasons within a global context.

Ah.

Sunday School....That was where you were  sent  to get you out of the house for an hour or so.... I can remember it well, sitting in the pews at the back of the church drawing aeroplanes.

Nonetheless, I think that I adequately defined a testament or covenant and simultaneously described the process behind every human thought and consequent action.

We think and sometimes we tend to over think.... It's what you rightly refer to as imagination....Though that's not to say that it's not possible for imagination to be correct.

Nonetheless imagination and /or hypothesis remain so until proven to be otherwise....Though imagining that imagination is correct is just an extension of overthink until such times as imagination and/or hypothesis is proven to be otherwise etc.etc.

 

Once again, that is not the question.

The question is who is "we" and out of 7.6 billion, how many "we" are there and how many will there be in the future? 

It's the underlying question of purpose or not and the ability to achieve a purpose.

If there is no purpose then why do we continually strive to advance technology.

And other than a distraction for the masses, appreciating Van Gough is probably irrelevant.

A testament or a covenant is a human data construct, perhaps actually relative to something real or perhaps only relative to an assumed reality and/or hypothesis. 

Nice quote but didn't really address my question within the context of your assertion, namely "whereas we are not so limited".

Concerning the ongoing development of technology and how many "we" are not so limited.

And the possibility that we might actually run out of "we",  simply because the evolution of the  human species cannot keep apace with the evolution of technology.

Whereby technology will either have to do it for itself or perhaps material evolution will stall.

I suppose that is to ask, is organic development  the be all and end all of the evolutionary progress.

I currently think not.

Seemingly. 

Is life anything

Other than frivolity

What is achievement?

In very simple terms and disregarding the evolved complexities of the system:

The hierarchy of ability is what really orders social structure and money has become the established system we use to represent this, both nationally and individually.

Altruism and unhindered cooperation is the only real alternative and given human nature and the natural hierarchy of ability,  it is highly unlikely that such a system would ever be workable.

Ok. So fragility and/or resilience is relative to context.

So in an environmental context, organic structures that are submitted to conditions and situations that exceed the limits of a particular organisms durability, will rapidly perish and decay.

My initial responses in this thread merely expressed 2 opinions:

A. It was highly unlikely that 5g towers would be "The Covid19".

B. Though we could not be 100% certain of the effects that microwave radiation might have upon organic structures.

Who are "we"?

And how many of us are "we"?

I would suggest that the more advanced tecno-development becomes the fewer the "we" there are to develop it.

Utilisation of a product maybe therapy for the human condition....Though the ability to develop the product, is a condition of the few.

So there may come a time when the evolution of technology exceeds our ability to evolve the developer.

I would further suggest that we tend only to regard the future in fairly immediate terms.....So, taking into consideration the exponential rate of techno-development over the last 200 years..... What is the state of play likely to be, 2000 years from now. 

Nope.

I'm British and apolitical and do not vote for anyone.

Or perhaps I should say I have never felt compelled to vote for anyone. In so much as I have never thought that my way of life has ever been under threat and I am apolitical in so much as I have never aligned myself with any political organisation.

I nonetheless still like to observe political machinations, especially the U.S. Presidential circus.

And so let me ask you....Do you think that Trump has been the Ringmaster or the Clown.

Perhaps if I had said living organic structures, you would have understood the reason for the comment.

And I currently have no concerns whatsoever regarding 5G and cancer.

Maybe Malcharaz has such concerns.

Ancient dead and decomposed matter rendered to hydrocarbons is a completely separate issue.

As is human dependency upon it.

That's America.

That's business.

 

Signing off now.

So have a nice day.

Sounds about right.

And as long as the day to day existence of the masses doesn't really change, then the system is never going to change.

Politics is just a four year circus.

Roll up roll up.

Both, freedom of speech  and fascism are separate issues. Though in defending the U.S. position thus, you are somewhat contradicting your previous attack on the U.S. media.

Your initial suggestion was that Covid19 was a hoax and that this was a fact proven by a complete lack of media integrity.

And in a Nation so fraught with litigation I would think that it is highly unlikely that there are no media regulations.

What does the F.C.C. do for instance?

Power corrupts.

Same old U.S. political shit.

And there's always some floozy willing to sell themselves to the media for a fast buck.

Trump's ignore it and it will go away approach seems to be the right strategy. Though I suppose it all depends on who is able to pull the right strings.

Power corrupts then, and interestingly, the U.S. people are happy to put up with it.

Probably as much to do with the entertainment value as anything else.

The "media" is business and needs to be profitable and therefore needs to produce a product that the mass market will buy into, it's called marketing. So yes the media "sensationalizes".

Nonetheless here in the U.K. the media is heavily regulated and I would assume the same is true in The U.S.A. So, though sensationalizing is certainly the name of the game, telling outright lies isn't.

Therefore I would suggest that accepting media information at face value and without further consideration may sometimes be foolhardy. Though there will always be a certain basis of truth to work upon.

Referring to Covid19 has an outright hoax is a completely different scenario though. This is definitely the "fantasy land" of conspiracy theory.

Do you also believe in flat Earth and bigfoot.

Some people seem to prefer fantasy, rather than fact.

It's one way of coping I suppose.

I would suggest that a treatise should be presented properly, because poor grammar and spelling in this format is the equivalent to speaking incoherently in a traditional debate.

It's not that there are no tools or prompts available to help one avoid such errors. Factor in a bit of proof reading too and there is certainly no reason to present an abundance of spelling errors.

I would further suggest that syntax is obvious and therefore considered and judged anyway, irrespective of how a point's system is categorised. 

Therefore, I personally consider a spelling and grammar category to be well justified.

Ebuc cubE.

Please join the conversation Faux.

Ha Ha.

Meaningless dribble is as meaningless dribble does.

Citadel of ash

 A haiku curiously.

He took a stab at.

A lifespan is a lifespan and cannot be halved.

Life expectancy might be reduced. Nonetheless life expectancy is defined by many effects....Environmental, self imposed, accidental, genetic inheritance, war etc.

Though, average life expectancy has more than trebled over the past 100 years due to medical intervention anyway.

So perhaps we sometimes expect too much.

My point was.

2+2=5 might just be an erroneous tap of the keyboard.

So should it be left uncorrected?

The acquiescence of intangibility is to grok.

Space is and therefore dimension.

Time is and therefore duration.

It's a bit like saying 2+2=5 and expecting everyone to understand. 

Where have you been?

3 is 3 and triangulation is triangulation.

Nonetheless there is an obvious connection.

Just as there is an obvious connection between 4 and square, 2 and line, 1and something and 0 and nothing.

N.B. You are posting in a philosophical forum rather than a scientific or mathematical forum.

Therefore I consider the simplicity of expression to be as valid as complexity.

And as far as we know it is only humans that devise and utilise numbers and triangulation and the connection therein.

Fear is a physiological response to a stimuli.

Evil is a variable concept.

Wisdom is a sensible coping strategy.

Voices cannot harm...In terms of data transfer, rather that in terms of audibility.

And you choose to listen and are still compelled to respond.

Ergo, I regard blocking as immaturity and an associated lack of confidence.

Will (not should) a machine or machines run the world/universe?

As sure as eggs is eggs.

The slow take over is clearly ongoing and we are making it happen.

Its what's known as evolution....Species to post species evolution....Perhaps evolutionary intention....A god principle in other words....Though not a hirsute Caucasian in flowing white robes, it has to be said.

We can only remain in charge for as long as our knowledge and fragility is able to exceed the capability of the machine.

@Melcharaz

Some people will choose to be insulted..... they get off on it.

Especially when insult can be turned into lucrative business.

It's probably best not to call anybody anything theses days. 

Interesting how you both interpret mythology to suit.

Which in terms of god hypotheses, is what people have been doing for the last few thousand years.....Both, pre and post Christianity.

Maybe there was a sermon on a mount....Sounds quite plausible.....End of story really.

How can either of you actually know who said what and with what intention they said it.

Nonetheless, as good a reason as any to while away an hour or two I suppose.

Why indeed?

What you need to ask yourself is, who actually is "we". 

And who is actually backing who and why?

And who is actually controlling who?.....Whoops!....Conspiracy theory.

God bless America hey.

To be honest, I debate rarely and only for the purposes of airing an opinion, rather than to satisfy a need to compete.

Voting is subjective and is often more appreciative of structure rather than rationale.

Therefore, as long as I am happy with the data that I submit, I have no worries about what others think  and no concerns, win or lose.

The antiquity of sovereignty starts and ends where it best suits.

Yep.

People only think that they are different.

Though perhaps you would like to return your home to the First Nations people.

Yes I would have to agree that repetition must instil a certain level of recognition.

2+2=4 is a written or verbal expression of a mental process that quantifies the amalgamation and comparison of separate and different data sequences.

We only assume by convention, that 2 and 4 both represent amalgamations of the base quantity of 1 and that + and = are perfectly representative of an agreed standard.

Things that might at first manifest as being conventionally obvious, can easily be contrived not to be so. 

2+2 is 2+2 and 4 is 4. and so on.

Everything takes time and time is precious.

It's good to question, hence god concepts....And for as long as "primitives" have possessed the ability to manipulate data then they would have questioned and primitively hypothesised.

Imagine a god and consequently imagine a gods displeasure when things go wrong and hypothesise that a gods displeasure is resultant of an action.

Yes all the time. Though I find popular deism and religion with all it's associated ritual, somewhat ridiculous. I tend to view the god principle a functional process, of which evolutionary development and consequently organic life is very much a part.... God creates us and we create god if you like....No ritualism required.

What you say, sort of agrees with what I say. Though you might not care to admit it.

But if there was no such thing as debt, how would society organise itself?

I would suggest that it would require agreement, cooperation and selflessness....Something that the human species is not collectively good at.

Debt and therefore economic and social disparity is what maintains social structure.

@Melcharaz

Nonetheless when you do consider all those microwaves flitting about,  it does make you wonder if the assumed technological benefits outweigh the possible long term physiological effects, especially when one considers the tenuous and fragile nature of organic structures. 

Unplanned?

What plans what?

Not everything lies within the grasp of humanity.

The U.S. was busy helping turn lives upside down in the name of ideology, over there in the East somewhere, when you were tucked up safely in bed.

Things haven't changed much have they.....Just like Kennedy sycophancy doesn't change.

And the Sun will continue to shine for as long as it will, because I'm pretty confident that the Sun is greater than the U.S.

Hey....You stimulated a response.....Hopefully I will too.

Me..... I just loved the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom.....Awesomely noisy.

Probably found a partner and now has more pressing things to attend to.