zedvictor4

Ha Ha.

Meaningless dribble is as meaningless dribble does.

Citadel of ash

 A haiku curiously.

He took a stab at.

A lifespan is a lifespan and cannot be halved.

Life expectancy might be reduced. Nonetheless life expectancy is defined by many effects....Environmental, self imposed, accidental, genetic inheritance, war etc.

Though, average life expectancy has more than trebled over the past 100 years due to medical intervention anyway.

So perhaps we sometimes expect too much.

My point was.

2+2=5 might just be an erroneous tap of the keyboard.

So should it be left uncorrected?

The acquiescence of intangibility is to grok.

Space is and therefore dimension.

Time is and therefore duration.

It's a bit like saying 2+2=5 and expecting everyone to understand. 

Where have you been?

3 is 3 and triangulation is triangulation.

Nonetheless there is an obvious connection.

Just as there is an obvious connection between 4 and square, 2 and line, 1and something and 0 and nothing.

N.B. You are posting in a philosophical forum rather than a scientific or mathematical forum.

Therefore I consider the simplicity of expression to be as valid as complexity.

And as far as we know it is only humans that devise and utilise numbers and triangulation and the connection therein.

Fear is a physiological response to a stimuli.

Evil is a variable concept.

Wisdom is a sensible coping strategy.

Voices cannot harm...In terms of data transfer, rather that in terms of audibility.

And you choose to listen and are still compelled to respond.

Ergo, I regard blocking as immaturity and an associated lack of confidence.

Will (not should) a machine or machines run the world/universe?

As sure as eggs is eggs.

The slow take over is clearly ongoing and we are making it happen.

Its what's known as evolution....Species to post species evolution....Perhaps evolutionary intention....A god principle in other words....Though not a hirsute Caucasian in flowing white robes, it has to be said.

We can only remain in charge for as long as our knowledge and fragility is able to exceed the capability of the machine.

@Melcharaz

Some people will choose to be insulted..... they get off on it.

Especially when insult can be turned into lucrative business.

It's probably best not to call anybody anything theses days. 

Interesting how you both interpret mythology to suit.

Which in terms of god hypotheses, is what people have been doing for the last few thousand years.....Both, pre and post Christianity.

Maybe there was a sermon on a mount....Sounds quite plausible.....End of story really.

How can either of you actually know who said what and with what intention they said it.

Nonetheless, as good a reason as any to while away an hour or two I suppose.

Why indeed?

What you need to ask yourself is, who actually is "we". 

And who is actually backing who and why?

And who is actually controlling who?.....Whoops!....Conspiracy theory.

God bless America hey.

To be honest, I debate rarely and only for the purposes of airing an opinion, rather than to satisfy a need to compete.

Voting is subjective and is often more appreciative of structure rather than rationale.

Therefore, as long as I am happy with the data that I submit, I have no worries about what others think  and no concerns, win or lose.

The antiquity of sovereignty starts and ends where it best suits.

Yep.

People only think that they are different.

Though perhaps you would like to return your home to the First Nations people.

Yes I would have to agree that repetition must instil a certain level of recognition.

2+2=4 is a written or verbal expression of a mental process that quantifies the amalgamation and comparison of separate and different data sequences.

We only assume by convention, that 2 and 4 both represent amalgamations of the base quantity of 1 and that + and = are perfectly representative of an agreed standard.

Things that might at first manifest as being conventionally obvious, can easily be contrived not to be so. 

2+2 is 2+2 and 4 is 4. and so on.

Everything takes time and time is precious.

It's good to question, hence god concepts....And for as long as "primitives" have possessed the ability to manipulate data then they would have questioned and primitively hypothesised.

Imagine a god and consequently imagine a gods displeasure when things go wrong and hypothesise that a gods displeasure is resultant of an action.

Yes all the time. Though I find popular deism and religion with all it's associated ritual, somewhat ridiculous. I tend to view the god principle a functional process, of which evolutionary development and consequently organic life is very much a part.... God creates us and we create god if you like....No ritualism required.

What you say, sort of agrees with what I say. Though you might not care to admit it.

But if there was no such thing as debt, how would society organise itself?

I would suggest that it would require agreement, cooperation and selflessness....Something that the human species is not collectively good at.

Debt and therefore economic and social disparity is what maintains social structure.

@Melcharaz

Nonetheless when you do consider all those microwaves flitting about,  it does make you wonder if the assumed technological benefits outweigh the possible long term physiological effects, especially when one considers the tenuous and fragile nature of organic structures. 

Unplanned?

What plans what?

Not everything lies within the grasp of humanity.

The U.S. was busy helping turn lives upside down in the name of ideology, over there in the East somewhere, when you were tucked up safely in bed.

Things haven't changed much have they.....Just like Kennedy sycophancy doesn't change.

And the Sun will continue to shine for as long as it will, because I'm pretty confident that the Sun is greater than the U.S.

Hey....You stimulated a response.....Hopefully I will too.

Me..... I just loved the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom.....Awesomely noisy.

Probably found a partner and now has more pressing things to attend to.

It depends entirely upon what one does with it.

 

Metaphorically speaking:

If one throws it upon the fire it will be warming and comforting for a while.

But if one hits oneself about the head with it, it soon becomes very uncomfortable.

Modern global debt is just an algorithm.

So change the algorithm.

Nonetheless, who is the U.S. going to pay of it's debt to?

And where will all the money come from when the U.S. becomes the global creditor?...Especially with the U.S's spending demands and expectancies being so lavish.

In simple terms, money is make believe, save for the few notes and coins that one might or might not have in ones pocket.

That depends on how far you want to go back I suppose.

Though I would suggest that the essence of human physiological development/evolution in comparison to that of other species, is the development of the brain.

The ability to input, store, assimilate, utilise and communicate data.

So I think that it's fair to assume that Humans started to question a long, long time ago, their existence and their environment and the causes and effects of environmental forces upon themselves.

And so what causes would early thinking humans attribute to environmental forces that emanated somewhere beyond the limits of their primitive scientific capabilities of deduction and understanding?

Super-nature, an imperceptible presence and what better image to represent this than an unseen entity, perhaps human in form or perhaps otherwise.

And at some point  such data would have been communicated verbally and referred to using identifiable utterances, which eventually became collectively known as gods.

Modern god concepts and mythologies such as Christianity, Islam etc. may have been around for a few thousand years and seem somewhat primitive to us now.

But within in the timescale of human cognitive development, such modern religious concepts were only developed yesterday. 

But you already knew all this?

The god hypothesis is sound.

Though on a U.S. based forum, god tends to get railroaded into fitting with one particular model.

Whereas the god principle, might actually represent one of a hundred or more other possibilities.

Or the god principle might be complete bunkum.

What is currently patently obvious, is that no one is able to actually know the answer and you only think that you do.

And the child has blocked me.

Fearful of understanding perhaps.

The acquisition and usage of data is such, that you are you and I am I, and therefore we are all to a certain degree, locked in a cell with our own concepts.

Nonetheless we have the ability to exchange update and reassess data and perhaps therefore peripherally reconceptualise. 

Though formatively established databases become extremely difficult to modify or change as we get older.

So for example, it is unrealistic to expect formatively conditioned theists or atheists to completely change, simply because of a peripheral exchange of ideas.

Ok. So some people may assume conversion, but I would suggest that at first, this is more to do with a perceived necessity for social conversion rather than a desire to deeply reprogram.

That is to say, we can easily reconceptualise and thereby adopt a different approach to how we interact with our immediate social groups, whereby in time perhaps, we will tend towards newly established patterns of behaviour.

As for knowledge of reality....How can we be certain of anything, locked here in the brain cells that we are?

Exactly.

It's a contrived system, where debt is really nothing more than an assumption.

It didn't prevent the U.S. from spending $700bn on defence last year did it?

And so answer my questions.

Who does the World actually owe it's debt to?

And if we all owe it to each other.

Then why don't we just simply write it all off and start again?

Wouldn't that be the decent thing to do?

And so why don't we do it?

Because being indebted to each other is what maintains social stability, both nationally and globally.

Money is the one true god that we all worship.

Exactly.

You just paraphrased my post.

And came to the same conclusion as me.

At least we agree on something.

A primitive what?

As ever there has always been clever folk and less clever folk.

Imagining a god in ones own image is pretty basic stuff....Especially if a clever clogs tells you what you should be imagining.

Though back in biblical times, I think you will find that civilisations were getting somewhat beyond primitive.

An extraordinary meteorological event ceded to myth, along with accompanying tall tales.

Maybe a shepherd rescued their flock from the floods in a boat.

And of course, as no one at the time really knew why such things happened, it would have been the norm to blame it all on a god.

The stupid thing is though, some people still have a tendency believe that gods are the reason behind extreme weather.

But you can't rule it out I suppose.....Even though for some people proof and belief are not necessarily interdependent.

I would say that trump is something of a bizarre anomaly. 

He could perhaps be best described as an Alpha Puppet with a lot of other Alpha People pulling his strings.....He always reminds me of thunderbirds characters.....Jeff Tracy perhaps or even Parker....But definitely not Brains.

You're attempting to make a point here where one doesn't exist.

If religion is a part of SupaDudz day to day normality, and allows them to cope with the current situation, then that's just fine. That's the way to go for them.

I personally have never needed a religious concept to get me through difficult situations. I focus on other assumed positives.

At the end of the day, it really all boils down to how as individuals we acquire and process data.

You're comparing the !8th century with the 21st.

Things just don't work like that anymore.

As I stated. National debt is merely a concept that manifests as numbers within a contrived global system.

So who does Planet Earth owe everything too.....Martians perhaps.

National debt is merely a concept that manifests as numbers.

Debt is necessary for maintaining social stability. In so much as debt and wealth maintain a structured society.

Without assumed wealth, debt and disparity, there would be unorganisable chaos.

As far as I am aware, save for a few small territories such as Brunei, Lichtenstein and Palau all other nations have a national debt. 

National debt is simply the way that things have been contrived to work.

As I stated.

The question has arisen, only because we are now somewhat forced to focus upon it.

Death by natural selection is, but up until now it has largely been ignored. Unless one is a statistician who records such data of course.

Currently, the annual birth rate far exceeds the annual death rate, so no real extinction worries as yet.

Some might even suggest that an event that levels the playing field for a period of time, would in fact not be such a bad thing.

The reality is, we naturally fear our own mortality and are currently forced to face up to the fact.

So my advice would be, live for today and die tomorrow. 

So, what's tough?

Obviously I wouldn't bee happy if I contracted the virus, so I will try and avoid it.

Otherwise, the weather is unusually fair and things carry on in a similar way, to what we came to consider to be normal.

And my wife is happy because she gets paid to stay at home and do the gardening.

My advice would be to avoid negative media input and create your own positive input.

And if the notion of a risen Christ works positively for you, then good.

Day to day relative normality works just fine for me.

To be honest, no.

It would seem that your parents are the Alpha's in your household.

Nope.

But it makes for a good conspiracy theory.

Why?

Relevance.

I would imagine that there are not too many alpha centrists.

The necessity of education for the future exceeds the limitations of most peoples capability.

There will be fewer and fewer with the ability to move technological evolution forwards.

It's hive mentality...Educating the masses for the sole benefit of the Queen...And so on.... Until such times as an ultimate goal will be achieved...perhaps.

Though probably, one day in the not so distant future, the Queen will cease to be flesh and blood and the necessity of knowledge will have exceeded the limitations of all humans.

I've just watched Trump attempting to give a press conference regarding the corona-virus on T.V. and it was so embarrassing to watch, that it failed to be funny.

Who advises this guy?....Or does he just not listen to advice?....And do all the Trumpists out there still view in awe of the Orange Guy. and just disregard the verbal diarrhoea? 

Or is he just a puppet President?

Natural selection is the way forward.

And natural selection rids the Planet of approximately 60 million per annum anyway.

it's just that coronavirus brings the fact home to roost.