zedvictor4

Seemingly. 

Is life anything

Other than frivolity

What is achievement?

In very simple terms and disregarding the evolved complexities of the system:

The hierarchy of ability is what really orders social structure and money has become the established system we use to represent this, both nationally and individually.

Altruism and unhindered cooperation is the only real alternative and given human nature and the natural hierarchy of ability,  it is highly unlikely that such a system would ever be workable.

Ok. So fragility and/or resilience is relative to context.

So in an environmental context, organic structures that are submitted to conditions and situations that exceed the limits of a particular organisms durability, will rapidly perish and decay.

My initial responses in this thread merely expressed 2 opinions:

A. It was highly unlikely that 5g towers would be "The Covid19".

B. Though we could not be 100% certain of the effects that microwave radiation might have upon organic structures.

Who are "we"?

And how many of us are "we"?

I would suggest that the more advanced tecno-development becomes the fewer the "we" there are to develop it.

Utilisation of a product maybe therapy for the human condition....Though the ability to develop the product, is a condition of the few.

So there may come a time when the evolution of technology exceeds our ability to evolve the developer.

I would further suggest that we tend only to regard the future in fairly immediate terms.....So, taking into consideration the exponential rate of techno-development over the last 200 years..... What is the state of play likely to be, 2000 years from now. 

Nope.

I'm British and apolitical and do not vote for anyone.

Or perhaps I should say I have never felt compelled to vote for anyone. In so much as I have never thought that my way of life has ever been under threat and I am apolitical in so much as I have never aligned myself with any political organisation.

I nonetheless still like to observe political machinations, especially the U.S. Presidential circus.

And so let me ask you....Do you think that Trump has been the Ringmaster or the Clown.

Perhaps if I had said living organic structures, you would have understood the reason for the comment.

And I currently have no concerns whatsoever regarding 5G and cancer.

Maybe Malcharaz has such concerns.

Ancient dead and decomposed matter rendered to hydrocarbons is a completely separate issue.

As is human dependency upon it.

That's America.

That's business.

 

Signing off now.

So have a nice day.

Sounds about right.

And as long as the day to day existence of the masses doesn't really change, then the system is never going to change.

Politics is just a four year circus.

Roll up roll up.

Both, freedom of speech  and fascism are separate issues. Though in defending the U.S. position thus, you are somewhat contradicting your previous attack on the U.S. media.

Your initial suggestion was that Covid19 was a hoax and that this was a fact proven by a complete lack of media integrity.

And in a Nation so fraught with litigation I would think that it is highly unlikely that there are no media regulations.

What does the F.C.C. do for instance?

Power corrupts.

Same old U.S. political shit.

And there's always some floozy willing to sell themselves to the media for a fast buck.

Trump's ignore it and it will go away approach seems to be the right strategy. Though I suppose it all depends on who is able to pull the right strings.

Power corrupts then, and interestingly, the U.S. people are happy to put up with it.

Probably as much to do with the entertainment value as anything else.

The "media" is business and needs to be profitable and therefore needs to produce a product that the mass market will buy into, it's called marketing. So yes the media "sensationalizes".

Nonetheless here in the U.K. the media is heavily regulated and I would assume the same is true in The U.S.A. So, though sensationalizing is certainly the name of the game, telling outright lies isn't.

Therefore I would suggest that accepting media information at face value and without further consideration may sometimes be foolhardy. Though there will always be a certain basis of truth to work upon.

Referring to Covid19 has an outright hoax is a completely different scenario though. This is definitely the "fantasy land" of conspiracy theory.

Do you also believe in flat Earth and bigfoot.

Some people seem to prefer fantasy, rather than fact.

It's one way of coping I suppose.

I would suggest that a treatise should be presented properly, because poor grammar and spelling in this format is the equivalent to speaking incoherently in a traditional debate.

It's not that there are no tools or prompts available to help one avoid such errors. Factor in a bit of proof reading too and there is certainly no reason to present an abundance of spelling errors.

I would further suggest that syntax is obvious and therefore considered and judged anyway, irrespective of how a point's system is categorised. 

Therefore, I personally consider a spelling and grammar category to be well justified.

Ebuc cubE.

Please join the conversation Faux.

Ha Ha.

Meaningless dribble is as meaningless dribble does.

Citadel of ash

 A haiku curiously.

He took a stab at.

A lifespan is a lifespan and cannot be halved.

Life expectancy might be reduced. Nonetheless life expectancy is defined by many effects....Environmental, self imposed, accidental, genetic inheritance, war etc.

Though, average life expectancy has more than trebled over the past 100 years due to medical intervention anyway.

So perhaps we sometimes expect too much.

My point was.

2+2=5 might just be an erroneous tap of the keyboard.

So should it be left uncorrected?

The acquiescence of intangibility is to grok.

Space is and therefore dimension.

Time is and therefore duration.

It's a bit like saying 2+2=5 and expecting everyone to understand. 

Where have you been?

3 is 3 and triangulation is triangulation.

Nonetheless there is an obvious connection.

Just as there is an obvious connection between 4 and square, 2 and line, 1and something and 0 and nothing.

N.B. You are posting in a philosophical forum rather than a scientific or mathematical forum.

Therefore I consider the simplicity of expression to be as valid as complexity.

And as far as we know it is only humans that devise and utilise numbers and triangulation and the connection therein.

Fear is a physiological response to a stimuli.

Evil is a variable concept.

Wisdom is a sensible coping strategy.

Voices cannot harm...In terms of data transfer, rather that in terms of audibility.

And you choose to listen and are still compelled to respond.

Ergo, I regard blocking as immaturity and an associated lack of confidence.

Will (not should) a machine or machines run the world/universe?

As sure as eggs is eggs.

The slow take over is clearly ongoing and we are making it happen.

Its what's known as evolution....Species to post species evolution....Perhaps evolutionary intention....A god principle in other words....Though not a hirsute Caucasian in flowing white robes, it has to be said.

We can only remain in charge for as long as our knowledge and fragility is able to exceed the capability of the machine.

@Melcharaz

Some people will choose to be insulted..... they get off on it.

Especially when insult can be turned into lucrative business.

It's probably best not to call anybody anything theses days. 

Interesting how you both interpret mythology to suit.

Which in terms of god hypotheses, is what people have been doing for the last few thousand years.....Both, pre and post Christianity.

Maybe there was a sermon on a mount....Sounds quite plausible.....End of story really.

How can either of you actually know who said what and with what intention they said it.

Nonetheless, as good a reason as any to while away an hour or two I suppose.

Why indeed?

What you need to ask yourself is, who actually is "we". 

And who is actually backing who and why?

And who is actually controlling who?.....Whoops!....Conspiracy theory.

God bless America hey.

To be honest, I debate rarely and only for the purposes of airing an opinion, rather than to satisfy a need to compete.

Voting is subjective and is often more appreciative of structure rather than rationale.

Therefore, as long as I am happy with the data that I submit, I have no worries about what others think  and no concerns, win or lose.

The antiquity of sovereignty starts and ends where it best suits.

Yep.

People only think that they are different.

Though perhaps you would like to return your home to the First Nations people.

Yes I would have to agree that repetition must instil a certain level of recognition.

2+2=4 is a written or verbal expression of a mental process that quantifies the amalgamation and comparison of separate and different data sequences.

We only assume by convention, that 2 and 4 both represent amalgamations of the base quantity of 1 and that + and = are perfectly representative of an agreed standard.

Things that might at first manifest as being conventionally obvious, can easily be contrived not to be so. 

2+2 is 2+2 and 4 is 4. and so on.

Everything takes time and time is precious.

It's good to question, hence god concepts....And for as long as "primitives" have possessed the ability to manipulate data then they would have questioned and primitively hypothesised.

Imagine a god and consequently imagine a gods displeasure when things go wrong and hypothesise that a gods displeasure is resultant of an action.

Yes all the time. Though I find popular deism and religion with all it's associated ritual, somewhat ridiculous. I tend to view the god principle a functional process, of which evolutionary development and consequently organic life is very much a part.... God creates us and we create god if you like....No ritualism required.

What you say, sort of agrees with what I say. Though you might not care to admit it.

But if there was no such thing as debt, how would society organise itself?

I would suggest that it would require agreement, cooperation and selflessness....Something that the human species is not collectively good at.

Debt and therefore economic and social disparity is what maintains social structure.

@Melcharaz

Nonetheless when you do consider all those microwaves flitting about,  it does make you wonder if the assumed technological benefits outweigh the possible long term physiological effects, especially when one considers the tenuous and fragile nature of organic structures. 

Unplanned?

What plans what?

Not everything lies within the grasp of humanity.

The U.S. was busy helping turn lives upside down in the name of ideology, over there in the East somewhere, when you were tucked up safely in bed.

Things haven't changed much have they.....Just like Kennedy sycophancy doesn't change.

And the Sun will continue to shine for as long as it will, because I'm pretty confident that the Sun is greater than the U.S.

Hey....You stimulated a response.....Hopefully I will too.

Me..... I just loved the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom.....Awesomely noisy.

Probably found a partner and now has more pressing things to attend to.

It depends entirely upon what one does with it.

 

Metaphorically speaking:

If one throws it upon the fire it will be warming and comforting for a while.

But if one hits oneself about the head with it, it soon becomes very uncomfortable.

Modern global debt is just an algorithm.

So change the algorithm.

Nonetheless, who is the U.S. going to pay of it's debt to?

And where will all the money come from when the U.S. becomes the global creditor?...Especially with the U.S's spending demands and expectancies being so lavish.

In simple terms, money is make believe, save for the few notes and coins that one might or might not have in ones pocket.

That depends on how far you want to go back I suppose.

Though I would suggest that the essence of human physiological development/evolution in comparison to that of other species, is the development of the brain.

The ability to input, store, assimilate, utilise and communicate data.

So I think that it's fair to assume that Humans started to question a long, long time ago, their existence and their environment and the causes and effects of environmental forces upon themselves.

And so what causes would early thinking humans attribute to environmental forces that emanated somewhere beyond the limits of their primitive scientific capabilities of deduction and understanding?

Super-nature, an imperceptible presence and what better image to represent this than an unseen entity, perhaps human in form or perhaps otherwise.

And at some point  such data would have been communicated verbally and referred to using identifiable utterances, which eventually became collectively known as gods.

Modern god concepts and mythologies such as Christianity, Islam etc. may have been around for a few thousand years and seem somewhat primitive to us now.

But within in the timescale of human cognitive development, such modern religious concepts were only developed yesterday. 

But you already knew all this?

The god hypothesis is sound.

Though on a U.S. based forum, god tends to get railroaded into fitting with one particular model.

Whereas the god principle, might actually represent one of a hundred or more other possibilities.

Or the god principle might be complete bunkum.

What is currently patently obvious, is that no one is able to actually know the answer and you only think that you do.

And the child has blocked me.

Fearful of understanding perhaps.

The acquisition and usage of data is such, that you are you and I am I, and therefore we are all to a certain degree, locked in a cell with our own concepts.

Nonetheless we have the ability to exchange update and reassess data and perhaps therefore peripherally reconceptualise. 

Though formatively established databases become extremely difficult to modify or change as we get older.

So for example, it is unrealistic to expect formatively conditioned theists or atheists to completely change, simply because of a peripheral exchange of ideas.

Ok. So some people may assume conversion, but I would suggest that at first, this is more to do with a perceived necessity for social conversion rather than a desire to deeply reprogram.

That is to say, we can easily reconceptualise and thereby adopt a different approach to how we interact with our immediate social groups, whereby in time perhaps, we will tend towards newly established patterns of behaviour.

As for knowledge of reality....How can we be certain of anything, locked here in the brain cells that we are?

Exactly.

It's a contrived system, where debt is really nothing more than an assumption.

It didn't prevent the U.S. from spending $700bn on defence last year did it?

And so answer my questions.

Who does the World actually owe it's debt to?

And if we all owe it to each other.

Then why don't we just simply write it all off and start again?

Wouldn't that be the decent thing to do?

And so why don't we do it?

Because being indebted to each other is what maintains social stability, both nationally and globally.

Money is the one true god that we all worship.

Exactly.

You just paraphrased my post.

And came to the same conclusion as me.

At least we agree on something.