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@ethang5
"But principles never are"....can you validate this?
A moral principle is an idea.... That's the way a data construct works.
So, who's idea is the moral principle?
Variable actors = variable intent + variable relationships = variable morality or a variable moral assumption.
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@ethang5
"Semi-leterate" hey....Who's the "semi-leterate" one then?
And the bible being unconvincing is evidenced by the multitude of people unconvinced by it.
For every argument there is a counter argument.
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@TheJackle
The benefits of vaccination obviously outweighs the risk.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that vaccination is 100% safe.
Care to discuss....No words bigger than vaccination allowed.
Though I think that what you are actually saying is that some people use words that you don't understand.
The onus is therefore on you to research, understand and add such words to your own personal database for future use and reference.
It's called learning and you're never too old to learn.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No.
This is how some humans work.
Some people do not depend upon the same materialistic and social stimuli that you do.
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@ethang5
Athias is as Athias does.
And esotericism has been around for centuries and proven nothing.
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@fauxlaw
In other words...The human appreciation of what is.
Everything is or is not random.
Fortunately for us everything is not random.
So we are aware of this and assume that it is the work of a god.....Absolutely fine...But we have no way of knowing if this assumption is correct.
The assumption isn't the issue.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You have become reliant upon a gregarious and materialistic modus operandi.
All your functional and mental requirements start within you...In just the same way, all the solutions do too.
Your internal data sequencing has become ordered to suit an established modus operandi (habit)....If you think carefully, it is very easy to reorder and therefore modify what has become the established or habitual behaviour that you have become reliant upon.
Thoughtfulness will lead to contentment.
And contentment is not reliant upon either materialism or gregarianism.
In fact the real key for you would to be to adopt and recognise multiple operational systems...That is to say, reorder your internal data in such a way that allows for you to be content with both an uncluttered isolate existence as well as the materialistic and gregarious existence that you currently favour.
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@fauxlaw
Well yes.
But in that context truth is irrelevant and has no meaning.
Truth only has meaning if it there is something to regard the truth.
And as far as we are aware it is only humankind that finds a need to regard the truth.
Therefore truth is relevant only to humankind and the physiology and processes thereof.
So not knowing is as relevant as knowing within the context of limited human knowledge and human function.
So "if" being the question and human regard being the qualifier.
We can therefore attribute "if" the same status as truth, irrespective of what may or may not be eternal truth.
Because as far as humanity is concerned.... What qualifies can be either, what is or is not currently known to be true.
The equation is reliant upon the human, otherwise there is no equation.
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@ATroubledMan
Theists are The Troubled Men.
Because most are clever enough to be fully aware of the truth.
Seeds of doubt, as it were.
The atheist has no seeds of doubt in this particular respect, as there is nothing to doubt.
I would suggest that the internal dilemmas of some theists, often manifests as bitterness and antagonism.
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And yet you have no time.This coronavirus shit has me bored out of my fucking skull.
And so you are doing something.
You are probably your own limiting factor then and just find things to blame your inertia upon.....Overthink.
Happiness is fleeting, almost mythical.
Contentment is bliss and contentment is internal and there for doesn't necessarily require new input or external stimuli.
There can be just as much contentment found, doing nothing as there can be found doing something.
Or it could be just a testosterone based problem.
Masturbation then, in the absence of a third party.
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@fauxlaw
"What is currently not true", is not necessarily not true.
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@ethang5
Numbers is irrelevant.
If there were 7.6 billion theists and only 1 atheist.
it would still remain impossible to prove the existence of an external god.
Who believes what isn't the issue here.
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@DrSpy
Which is exactly what I stated. ...And so we agree on that aspect of things.
Though my argument was, that quantum mechanics is an internal data construct/hypothesis that attempts to explain actuality.
So, rather than as you suggested, maybe it is the falling tree that substantiates quantum mechanics.
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@blamonkey
The evolution of the species as it were, compared to the evolution of data within the greater society. Because It is all to easy and apparent for society to become the self, that is to say subjective, irrespective of what might be assumed to be objective.
1. And so, do you think that inherent data has evolved significantly enough to be able to effect physiological function?
2. Or have social improvements like assumed morality, only ever been defined by conceptual collectivism?
3. But can we actually differentiate between physiology and data, given the nature of the human condition?
4. Nonetheless, in the context of a wider society and therefore also in the context of moral relativism wherein lies the collective moral judgement?
5. Has it become inherent, or is it only acquired and affective?
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@ethang5
Ha Ha.
Not chasing.
You just tend to have the time advantage.
And it's just a debating website Mr Ethan....No winners, no losers....Just entertainment.
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@ethang5
Haha.
No droning required.
Ethang5 is entertaining enough.
So no actual god then?...Just the concept....Absolutely fine.
Case proven...Truism correct.
Theist integrity though?
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@ethang5
@DrSpy
Things happen as they do.
No miracles required.
The human desires, creates and desires miracles.
And so the tree falls and does and doesn't make a sound, which is what I inferred (given the definition of the word sound).
And ethang5 implicates the big one.....Typical.
And Schrodinger's cat is human over-think.....Typical
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@ethang5
Anyway time to go now and think about more important business.
So here's to tomorrow morning....God willing as you might say.
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@ethang5
Not running, still waiting.
Nonetheless....Why do you think that a god needs praying to?
Wouldn't an omni-god be aware of your undying commitment?
I sure that an omni-god would rather that you were safely tucked up in bed with Mrs Ethan at this time of day.
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@ethang5
Be careful what you say.
You are slowly tending towards bigotry in our discussions.
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@ethang5
Check me out.
I never say "there is no god", that is what you say I say.
I say that I cannot prove that there is a god and also that I cannot prove that there is not a god.
It is you that makes the bold claims without providing proof. (Sophistry)
As such, as far as I am currently able to be satisfied, the god hypothesis is as valid as any other creation hypothesis.
And..."Unless you progress past mere etc."
Such frustration Mr Ethan... You should be tucked up in bed by now with Mrs Ethan and not fretting over an insignificant web debate.
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@DrSpy
The falling tree creates sound.
The lack of a mechanism to detect sound is what it is.
Quantum mechanics would probably explain this.
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@Dr.Franklin
Kim has an amazing hairdo.
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@ethang5
I sit here...
And you sit here day after day hopelessly struggling to avoid the truth, often whilst most other Americans are tucked up safely in bed.
With no coherent proof of the god you are so certain of.
And I can sense that you are angry ,lost, frustrated and confused.
So I say unto you.
Though proof be none.
Nonetheless be happy with your internal god concept, as I will be happy with mine.
And when such evidence might manifest itself, that we might be certain of the external god.
Perhaps then we might both find contentment.
The atheist that seeketh the truth doth not deny, but only seeketh....Zed 4
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@fauxlaw
Who needs proof.
Well as there is no proof, obviously not you.
Which is exactly what faith and belief is....Which isn't the contention.
You seem to miss the point somewhat.
The point is the discussion of a contention.
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@Athias
Et tu Brute.
And still no proof.
And have a nice day.
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@ethang5
Tadaaa!....you've got it.A god is what a god is etc.
And sophistry is like trying to convince people that a god hypothesis is correct, even though there is absolutely no proof to back up the claim.
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@Melcharaz
So no proof then?
And I see that you have jumped aboard the EtrnlVw supposition train in an effort to change the subject.
Whilst the Athias train goes around in circles.
And the ethang5 train hits the buffers.
And there are still no gods waiting on the platform.
Choo Choo.
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@ethang5
Your attempt at Athiasism is incoherent and confused.
You should stick to the style of debate that you do best.
I'm still awaiting proof.
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@EtrnlVw
All supposition, not proof.
Why is it so difficult to admit that you have no real proof of an external god?
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@fauxlaw
Well senses are physiological function.... 5 or more, whatever.... It really depends upon how function is classified,
Though being hit on the head with a mallet is just that.
God massaging your heart is an internal concept that triggers an internal response which might make you want to cry out in utter joy.
But how can you prove to the wider audience that it was actually a god massaging your heart?...You cannot.
It's no good just saying it was, simply because that is what you want to believe. (Nonetheless your prerogative)
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@Athias
At he end of the proverbial day Athias.
The best that we can both do is assume that we are certain of something.
And I assume that there is an externality and that the mass has internality.
And as there is no consistency in the god concept it is reasonable to assume that assumed gods are sometimes assumed to be external, but nonetheless, the internal concept in what ever form, is only resultant of internal data manipulation rather than an externally real god..
All that one asks is for proof of the external god rather than for proof of an internal assumption or concept.
One doesn't doubt the nature of the internal concept, what one doubts is the existence of the external god.
So hard proof please and less Athiasims.
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@Vader
Hey Boris, Donald, Kim.
Yep very entertaining, though I believe that Kim can be a bit of an asshole at times.
And good luck in the upcoming elections Mr President.
And get well soon Prime Minister.
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@ethang5
Labels are just labels.....So label me how you will.
And the racist is conditioned
And save for a few numpties, the black/white thing is pretty much history in the U.K, perhaps it's still more widespread in the U.S.
Doctors displaying various degrees of darker skin tone are very commonplace here and widely respected.
And which alleged god?
And fame is a concept.
And a virus is what a virus is and the recovery of the individual is largely dependant upon the individual.
And as I tried to point out. ...Moral relativism is in fact problem free, because of the nature of how the concept of moral relativism manifests itself.
The problems or not of moral relativism are merely secondary concepts derived from the original.
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@Melcharaz
You admitted it, well done.Could be true.
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@Melcharaz
Oh.
And reality is nature.
And miracles and super-nature are mythologically inspired.
As far as I am aware. (No assertion)
Prove me wrong please.
But don't just say I'm wrong, because you say so.
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@Melcharaz
And who's asserting?
Can you prove any of these claims.
I certainly cannot disprove them, and have never claimed that I could.
Hence the honesty of the atheist and the dishonesty of the theist.
It does seem rather like you rant because you were taught to rant...That is to say, you appear to have a rigidly conditioned mind set.
And if there is no god debate then why are you debating?...Just be content with your faith and do something else.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He's our entertaining leader.
Just like the Orange Guy.
What's his name/…..Donald.
And the Tubby guy with the hairdo.
What's his name?.....Kim.
In fact it's the hairdo's.
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@Melcharaz
Melcharaz the ranter.
Check me out.
Have I ever denied the possibility of a god?
The god hypothesis is a as valid as any other.
The truism does not ask that either the hypothesis or peoples faith in the hypothesis should be denounced.
The truism only asks that such people accept that the god hypothesis does not prove the existence of a god.
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@Melcharaz
#5.
All assumption without proof.
You have introduced the god debate and the god debate is ongoing and therefore unresolved.
And so can you prove the existence of an external god and therefore unequivocally verify the statements you asserted?
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@ethang5
Good morning America.
I can perceive the screen in front of me.
And if you can show me a god I will be able to perceive that also.
I acquired the god concept as data input long ago. Though I have never perceived the actual thing.
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@Athias
Same old same old.
I think that I will refer to it as Athiasism.
So prove the existence of an external god then.
And how do you think that knowledge/information/data (other than inherent functionality) gets into your brain?......I would suggest, acquisition.
The term acquired data is therefore aptly descriptive.
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@EtrnlVw
Prove it.The soul detaches from the physical body etc.
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@EtrnlVw
So prove it.God exists independent of what I think.
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@fauxlaw
Nonetheless, all internal processes, even if reliant upon external stimuli.
So show me the external stimulus that is a god....I have never stated that such a thing does not exist....All that the truism asks is for proof that it does.
Your new approach is still only an internally based assumption.
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