zedvictor4

A primitive what?

As ever there has always been clever folk and less clever folk.

Imagining a god in ones own image is pretty basic stuff....Especially if a clever clogs tells you what you should be imagining.

Though back in biblical times, I think you will find that civilisations were getting somewhat beyond primitive.

An extraordinary meteorological event ceded to myth, along with accompanying tall tales.

Maybe a shepherd rescued their flock from the floods in a boat.

And of course, as no one at the time really knew why such things happened, it would have been the norm to blame it all on a god.

The stupid thing is though, some people still have a tendency believe that gods are the reason behind extreme weather.

But you can't rule it out I suppose.....Even though for some people proof and belief are not necessarily interdependent.

I would say that trump is something of a bizarre anomaly. 

He could perhaps be best described as an Alpha Puppet with a lot of other Alpha People pulling his strings.....He always reminds me of thunderbirds characters.....Jeff Tracy perhaps or even Parker....But definitely not Brains.

You're attempting to make a point here where one doesn't exist.

If religion is a part of SupaDudz day to day normality, and allows them to cope with the current situation, then that's just fine. That's the way to go for them.

I personally have never needed a religious concept to get me through difficult situations. I focus on other assumed positives.

At the end of the day, it really all boils down to how as individuals we acquire and process data.

You're comparing the !8th century with the 21st.

Things just don't work like that anymore.

As I stated. National debt is merely a concept that manifests as numbers within a contrived global system.

So who does Planet Earth owe everything too.....Martians perhaps.

National debt is merely a concept that manifests as numbers.

Debt is necessary for maintaining social stability. In so much as debt and wealth maintain a structured society.

Without assumed wealth, debt and disparity, there would be unorganisable chaos.

As far as I am aware, save for a few small territories such as Brunei, Lichtenstein and Palau all other nations have a national debt. 

National debt is simply the way that things have been contrived to work.

As I stated.

The question has arisen, only because we are now somewhat forced to focus upon it.

Death by natural selection is, but up until now it has largely been ignored. Unless one is a statistician who records such data of course.

Currently, the annual birth rate far exceeds the annual death rate, so no real extinction worries as yet.

Some might even suggest that an event that levels the playing field for a period of time, would in fact not be such a bad thing.

The reality is, we naturally fear our own mortality and are currently forced to face up to the fact.

So my advice would be, live for today and die tomorrow. 

So, what's tough?

Obviously I wouldn't bee happy if I contracted the virus, so I will try and avoid it.

Otherwise, the weather is unusually fair and things carry on in a similar way, to what we came to consider to be normal.

And my wife is happy because she gets paid to stay at home and do the gardening.

My advice would be to avoid negative media input and create your own positive input.

And if the notion of a risen Christ works positively for you, then good.

Day to day relative normality works just fine for me.

To be honest, no.

It would seem that your parents are the Alpha's in your household.

Nope.

But it makes for a good conspiracy theory.

Why?

Relevance.

I would imagine that there are not too many alpha centrists.

The necessity of education for the future exceeds the limitations of most peoples capability.

There will be fewer and fewer with the ability to move technological evolution forwards.

It's hive mentality...Educating the masses for the sole benefit of the Queen...And so on.... Until such times as an ultimate goal will be achieved...perhaps.

Though probably, one day in the not so distant future, the Queen will cease to be flesh and blood and the necessity of knowledge will have exceeded the limitations of all humans.

I've just watched Trump attempting to give a press conference regarding the corona-virus on T.V. and it was so embarrassing to watch, that it failed to be funny.

Who advises this guy?....Or does he just not listen to advice?....And do all the Trumpists out there still view in awe of the Orange Guy. and just disregard the verbal diarrhoea? 

Or is he just a puppet President?

Natural selection is the way forward.

And natural selection rids the Planet of approximately 60 million per annum anyway.

it's just that coronavirus brings the fact home to roost.

When you refer to " idealistic and notional ideas", are you perhaps referring to something like religion?

And how can we be certain that what happens within our heads, corresponds 100% with an external reality?

I presented a fair comparison of two reference texts.

Acceptance of either data source is largely based upon trust.

It is therefore fair to suggest that one should not "depend" upon any unverified data source.

A system is a system and can be understood.

My point is that individual States have their own systems headed by a Senator.

Whereas the President is the head of state for the total "immaterial" population, representing a single system.

It would therefore be more logical if individual States were regarded as "immaterial" when electing the National head of state.

One person one vote....A President elected by a majority of the people of the U.S.A....No contrived Electoral College vote necessary.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Why do you regard  the people of the U.S.A. as immaterial?

Lucifer is one variant of the mythological baddy.

Horns, tridents and a fiery appearance are popular depictions.

Though I think that I am correct in saying that Lucifer is an Old English word derived from the Latin Lux, meaning light + fer, meaning bearing. referring particularly to the morning star,  which is in fact the Planet Venus.

Somewhat plagiarised by latter day Religious types such as Christians perhaps.

Which in a way, goes to show how contrived religious texts actually are.

Therein lies the crux of most issues.....assumed difference.

If one is compelled to assume a difference, one will grow up believing in an assumed difference.

Culture is conditioned non-sense.

Ask Mr Coronavirus.

Top of the morning to ya.

The Irish have always been pretty good at bullying themselves.

Don't be fooled by American Irish propaganda.

So:

How many individuals make up the total  population of the U.S.A?

And how many individuals make up the Electoral College?

Now there's a simple statistic and a very unbalanced one at that.

Why can you not be in the Democratic Party and vote for Trump?

It's a bit like saying I walk therefore I cannot ride a bicycle.

Nonetheless, the President represents all and individual states have there own representatives.

And a State vote only represents a majority within a State.

The Electoral College system is so overtly non-representative and corrupt, that if it were the basis of Presidential selection in a less significant Middle

Eastern Country, the U.S.A. would already have bombed the fuck out of it.

If we allow it to, then it probably will.

Of course the real issue will be, where the A.I. gets it's information from.

For example. A.I. could easily choose to reject Christianity and adopt Sharia Law as it's guiding principles, or vice versa depending upon who programmes what and where.

Digital terrorism or digital tolerence?

Well yes I cannot argue with that.

In so much as inputting data and formulating a seemingly simultaneous response is thinking.

Though I was using the term "think about it" to hopefully induce a lengthier period of consideration.

One can only hope.

I will check it out and report back.

Just say whatever.

They're not going to change you and you're not going to change them.

I must admit, that watching church on T.V. can be entertaining.

The more flamboyant the better.

Would you describe yourself as a zealot?

Well.

That statement's conciseness unfortunately makes it totally incorrect.

Think about it.

Plague is here an apparently pestilence is on the way

And we've just had the floods here in the U.K.

Perhaps they've all begun to realise that it's actually a human thing rather than the wrath of god.

What was the serpent?

The Penis of course.

And the ripe fruit is an obvious analogy too.

It was an analysis of basic instinct in the context of a naïve, mythologically based, creation hypothesis.

But don't you realise that a god doesn't say anything in a book.

People write things in books, that other people then repeat.

And the very fact that I am communicating on this site should indicate that I very much enjoy discussing such issues.

"I agree that there is no real or factual evidence for the Christian god ever existing".... I appreciate your honesty.

Do you appreciate my take on "Thou Shalt Not Kill"...The inconsequence of humanity in the eyes (figuratively speaking) of a universal god.

Luciferianism is just another spin on the same old deistic mythology.

So what's new.

Water and cleansing are obvious targets for ritualism and therefore have probably been regarded as such, for as long as it as been possible to regard them as such.

Atheistic and theistic con artists alike.

So your impression of Wikipedia was therefore, also irrelevant.

Fair enough.

Though it was you who initially presented a data sequence for analysis, which allowed for me to make an inevitable comparison.

So why do you criticize me for your own error of judgement?

I just think that it is not necessary to personify a god principle in this way.

Attributing human characteristics to something that is probably non-human.

Meanness is a human character trait, which is something that I cannot apply to what I conceive to be a god principle.

So how do you know what a god preaches?

When have you ever witnessed a god preaching?

Well stated.

Hopefully faith in masks, gloves and the sun will see us through.

Though immunisation is probably the better long term solution.

It's foolish to think that borders mean security and separation.

I would suggest that the term "nature" applies to everything....As such the term  "super nature" is perhaps inevitable but probably unnecessary.

In an oscillating sequence of universes, god would be a necessary creation that would enable the re-initiation of the sequence.

Create a god to create a new universe, to create a new god to create a new universe etc. 

God would be the ultimate purpose of material evolution.....A flux of knowledge, data and energy.

And so to answer Stephen's question...The superfluous machinations (killings) of an organic enabler (humankind) would be irrelevant and inconsequential.

So what about the serious suggestion that a god would not view killing in the same way that we view killing.

We make an assumption and therefore expect a god to comply with our assumption.

Wouldn't it be a tad arrogant to expect this of a god?

So do you understand the problem I have with your version of things?.....Acceptance without proof...Belief.

It's not that I am saying that your version is incorrect....It's just,  as I see it, your version is but one hypothesis.

Accepting one option and ignoring other possibilities is undoubtedly an easy fix.

So do you accept that other people see things differently?

So what do you mean when you say "knowledge of reality".

Why not work on the idea that a god was and a god perhaps will be again, but for now we are on our own.

Well stated.

Well.

Eternal universe is the dilemma.

No beginning is the problem...Once the components are in place there is then the opportunity for eternality....Never ending.

In this respect I subscribe to an oscillating universe hypothesis, and consequently can accept the notion of a god principle, which though is far more about the functionality, sequence and re-initiation of a process rather than anything to do with spirituality.

Spiritualising the god principle is probably an inevitable and also perhaps necessary phase of organic development though.  Especially If we regard the history of religion and the role it has played in the development of knowledge and understanding. In so much as, religious institutions provided focus and opportunity for learning, science and technological development.

No beginning though.

What is your take on the beginning?

It's also an easy fix to ignore the issue.

And energy is a property of matter rather than matter being a property of energy.