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Silence is Golden as someone made an awful din once telling us.

And as I've got older, I tend to prefer no music to music.

K-Michael....Fantastic!

I am an extreme moderate, which inevitably results in me having  left and right tendencies.

The term "scientific racism"...What does this mean exactly?....Just seems like yet another misinterpretation of the word science.....People are racist, everyone of them, even the ones who think that they are not.

Differentiating between Jew and Gentile is conditioned racism.....Because the human ability to perceive, store and remember data inevitably makes everyone racist,

The ongoing issue is with how racism manifests  in both, individuals and societies.

Bristol U.K.....They pulled down a racist statue and replaced it with a racist statue. D'oh!

Who's really pulling the strings?

In a literal sense, Genesis was Science.....Though somewhat naive by today's standards.

Just so that everyone knows....The theist message is often just as belligerent and O.C. as the atheist message....it's just that theists likes to think that their O.C.D. is more righteous....And vice versa of course.

And just for the record, I am merely a sceptic....Who accepts a GOD principle, but not all the piffle associated with the Jesus stories.....A liberal atheist if you like...Though not to be confused with a political liberal, as I am staunchly apolitical....A hard line moderate if you like......Labels, labels!

Though if Willows weren't so obvious, then they might get away with it.... Though perhaps that is a symptom of  O.C.D.....Or maybe just good fun....Sure as hell winds up conservatives though......LOL.

Derangement syndrome....I love that.....Though it was first noticed in Republicans I see no reason why it wouldn't of spread to all sectors of society.

Though I'm not convinced that it is anything more than a bit of tit for tat name calling......You remember how we used to behave in the playground 50 years ago.

LOL.

Well I would suggest that eternity can be eternally 0....No cause necessary....Though stuff that we are pretty certain of (matter) eternal and without cause is somewhat imponderable....That really does seem like blind faith, which is a poor basis for understanding.

Though if we concede to the notion of eternally 1 and also  take on board the eternity of an evolutionary process, then eternity negates the need for any cause, including GODS.

Eternity itself becomes the cause and a recurring material evolutionary process is the GOD principle.....Certainly no deity requiring worship required.

Typical religious fundamentalist false narrative.

Mr Ethan is a religious fundamentalist?!?!?

Though Greta did lack the necessary Hollywood glamour to be able to make old right wingers drool.

Intelligent designer....reasonable hypothesis. 

But who or what designed the intelligent designer?.....Reasonably unreasonable downside to the hypothesis.

All hypotheses start at 1 and conveniently avoid the issue of 0.

People are naturally conditioned to understand that they have different identities....There's no getting away from the fact, as difference is perceivable.

And that's notwithstanding all the political and religious bullshit we bombard our kids with....You don't even need to look as far as Catalonia and Quebec to check it out.

I believe you.

Your "piece of technology" does do what it does now....If it didn't, it wouldn't....So would you therefore be ungrateful?

Racism is a natural product of species differentiation.

In Black and White terms, Black is just as racist as White.

It's just that White bashing is currently the trendy option.

And Darwin just did what he thought was right at the time...And to make a song and dance about it now, is futile.

Well I'm  a year older than you, so presumably the same applies to you.....You will move away from nihilistic theism and sophistry and then weeeeeeee!! freedom or dementia.

Maybe dementia is freedom?

I will take being referred to as a sophist as a compliment, therefore I felt that I should return the compliment.

Well......I'm the ardent sceptic/atheist, but nonetheless, your assumption of willynillyness is just another arbitrary opinion that attempts to explain the unexplainable.

Though all hypotheses remain valid until such times as they are either proven to be correct or incorrect.

So I will add your hypothesis to the list.

Gods

Big Bang

Willynillyness

Terrified genius....Nope....You definitely made that one up.

And residing on a religious board...LOL....Your personal assumption that Debateart has a Christian pat on the back club.....Nope...As I keep trying to explain, just a global debating forum....Atheists to be expected....Whatever your personal definition of an atheist might be.

And remember, your opinions are not reality...Your opinion of Christianity, resides ONLY in your head.....Which is what I've been trying to tell you all along....Though, well done for finally admitting I was right.

Unless you can prove the existence of an actual higher authority, then there is no more that an internally governed mass operating within a presumably, external environment.

So unless you have perceived an externally existent GOD, then GODS are no more than internally generated concepts (beliefs).

It's funny how theists always try to accuse sceptics of being more presupposing.....Something of a playground argument in my opinion.

Sceptics are sceptical because the will not presuppose....Whereas all hypothetical deist arguments  are based purely on presupposition.

The Christian GOD and other similar GOD hypotheses are unbelievable.......But that's not politics....Sorry.

Slavery was and is less so now....And slavery was never exclusive....Though some disingenuous people like to suggest that slavery was an exclusive business relative to one particular moment and place in the past.

Why?....Because there is still profit to me made from it.......Racism is big business.

Nope...Your post  #58....It was you who introduced an assumed terror to the thread....A very disingenuous and unworthy twisting of words Mr Ethan.

And why would the reality of a GOD be terrifying anyway.....An actual GOD would be an actual GOD and to know this would be enlightening....But as no one actually knows, then terror and/or enlightenment are currently irrelevant.....I would suggest that believing but not actually knowing is perhaps more stressful than scepticism.

And as I explained previously, this isn't a religious board...A religious board is your flight of fancy Mr Non-Groupthink.....This is an online debating forum and does exactly what it says on the tin....So expect a certain amount of scepticism.

Only to be expected.

A rare flash of logic.

Liberal is as liberal does and you would probably be the first to complain if your liberal lifestyle was taken away.

Ideology is as ideology does and every one is corrupted with someone else's  ideology....It's the nature of the beast....And so my sense is your illogical nonsense, and vice versa.

You continually revel in the glory of the Christian and Conservative  Groupthinks....Yet you seem terrified by your commitments.

And you still haven't explained what it is, that you imagine is terrifying me......As a character contained within a naive, pseudo-hypothetical  mythology isn't going to stop me sleeping at night.

Faith or trust or hope or choice in something tangible within the context of a perceivable experience, is somewhat different to faith in one particular hypothetical deity.

What makes you think that I am terrified?...And what do you think that it is, that terrifies me?

Prove your particular GOD and I will be enlightened.

And what is your board?.....This is a global debating website  open to 7.6 billion people (approx), none of whom will agree with everything that ethang5 says....This is not a Christian pat on the back club.

And what is love, actually?....Other than a multifarious descriptive we apply to a wide variety of thoughts.

Maybe you think that Jesus and Mrs Ethan love you and that you love them....But other than within your head, your thoughts are meaningless.

Well. You make North Sentinel Island sound like a Zoo.

Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sentinelese, although living what we might regard as a very basic existence are wholly uninfluenced by technology.

I bet plastic waste washes up on North Sentinel Island too.

Well the reality is, that our only reality resides only between our ears....Which is also the only place where your "Majesty" exists....Think about it.

And you avoid group thinking, yet continually argue for the success of the Christian group and the conservative group.

And children are corrupted with ideology, whether that be your ideology or someone else's.....Conditioning....Just as you and I were corrupted with ideology.

And America is a nation of sub-groupings that expound varying ideologies....Though in comparison to other Nation States the U.S.A  and the U.K. are relatively liberal.

Christianity is undoubtedly a demonstrable faith...As demonstrated by faithful Christians.

It is the hypothetical basis of faith, that is not demonstrable.

Show me a society/culture that isn't influenced by technology in some way.

Well stated.

Culture is merely the modus-operandi of a particular society or sub-grouping, in both historical and ongoing terms. So as technology now plays a significant role in social function,  therefore technology is  now undoubtedly a part of human culture. 

The prime objective is seemingly the evolution of matter rather than just the development of human kind and human society...So whether or not the "prime directive is just" is perhaps out of human hands.

Best ask Spock.

A society is obviously controlled by the nature of a society....Nonetheless, in comparative terms The U.S.A. is an extremely liberal society...And you benefit thus.....And It would be wise not to forget this.

And I would suggest that you are fettered only by your own conditioned conservatism within your own personal bubble.

I was not conditioned as you were, therefore Christianity is not convincing....If Christianity could be proven to be an accurate hypothesis that would be an enlightening experience, rather than terrifying.

Perhaps underneath you're conditioned facade it is you who are  are terrified, because you are patently aware that the fundamental truth, is that belief is not actually proof.

And people convince people of Christianity....Christianity doesn't convince people of Christianity.

And "finding a god" is just sequencing data, as is the formulation of all concepts....

And once again I stress, that a GOD principle relative to a universal purpose is a valid proposition....Just not the naive mythological stuff of the bible...Nailing people to crosses and all that baloney.

But of course everything could just be pure chance.

Purpose or chance?....We haven't even worked that out yet....So all the human-centric embellishments are a tad irrelevant.

Thisssssssssssssssss......Could be used as an alternative to Yesssssssssssssssss at the point of climax.....Try it next time.

Time travel works on the assumption that time is a tangible medium that can be travelled through either backwards or forwards. 

I work on the assumption that time is simply the possibility that allows events to have duration.

Don't get me wrong....Despite all his shenanigans and gaffs, his ineffectiveness is perhaps something to be grateful for.....Let's hope that things continue that way.

Kanye West next time....Hey?

Exactly my point.

Anyone can be convinced of anything....  Education, conditioning, brainwashing.... call it what you will.....Still doesn't prove anything though.

People are convinced that strapping a bomb to their chest and blowing themselves up is a good idea.....Because they were "convinced" does that therefore make suicide bombing a righteous act?

"Convinced" really is a shallow basis for a religious belief.

Exactly.

I would suggest that despising liberals whilst simultaneously basking in the comfort of a liberal society is somewhat contradictory, if not hypocritical.

And Mr Ethan has first hand evidence....Wow....Perhaps his input into the time traveller thread would be enlightening.

As Mr Ethan's time traveller pontifications  are breath-taking.

Not that one would expect republished transcriptions to not display some level of consistency....It would be an object defeating exercise otherwise....wouldn't it?

Thanks.

It's an issue that I have never taken an interest in, so therefore find it somewhat baffling....I think I will do a bit more reading on the subject.

Based upon that analysis do you agree then that national debt  perhaps remains  more of a  bureaucratic concept, rather that being an actual  monetary reality.

Nonetheless, when a government announces that is going to increase borrowing, who what or where does it borrow from?....Considering that most nations have a national debt,  and therefore, presumably nothing to lend.

Martians perhaps.

That's another one of those words that attempts to give credibility to the tale....Because something is a "manuscript" it's undoubtedly true then.

It's the credibility of the data that is in question, rather than the medium it is written upon or the number of times it has been rewritten. 

Yep, will be another fun packed and amusing 4 years.

And apologies, I didn't realise you were deaf......If you could hear some of the dumb ass stuff that Donald comes out with you would be in stitches also.

I will put my hand up and say that I do not understand macro economics....Though it does seem that debt is something of an irrelevance at this level anyway.

Perhaps you can explain who actually is indebted to who......Especially as virtually all nations have a national debt.

Well, I would suggest that statistics don't really address the issue....And who does or doesn't legally own a gun is irrelevant....And there is also not necessarily an exclusive link between guns and homicide.

What one can or cannot do with a gun is also largely irrelevant to the issue....Guns were nonetheless designed as remote and effective killing devices.

What your statistics do tell us, is that a relatively liberal society is inevitably also an unequal society, where crime is seen as a means to an end, and where the gun is seen as an effective and essential tool of the trade.

Interestingly, I looked for  some definitive and reasonably accurate statistics relating to both legal and illegal guns in the U.S....and couldn't find any....In fact the general conclusion seems to be that no one actually knows.....Also, the definition of what constitutes the difference between legal and illegal is a tad woolly to say the least.

Conditioning people to believe something, does not constitute proof of something and neither does it validate something...It just makes people formulate data sequences and responses in a particular way.....A bit like North Korean behaviour for example.

It would make no difference if humanity was 99% theist...This would still not prove the currently unprovable....All that this would prove, would be that 99% of humanity had been conditioned to accept theism as a creation hypothesis.

Nonetheless, all creation hypotheses are valid until they are either unequivocally proved or unequivocally rejected.....So no bias, only scepticism and open mindedness.....I would suggest that ardent theists are the ones that tend to become entrenched and biased.

And of course everyone always blames everyone else and everyone is always righteous.

So where would you prefer to live right now....The U.S.A. or China

I would suggest that libertarianism is a whole lot better than authoritarianism.

So simply and logically explain how your particular uncaused GOD is a possibility.

In fact GOD is just an utterance, representative of an imagination or an hypothesis relating to an imagination of something....So explain something from nothing and thereby explain your particular GOD.

A 2000 year old mythology does not explain this phenomenon....It is simply the basis of one particular ongoing hypothesis.

We  grew and we were conditioned and we became stagnant and biased....It's generally the nature of the machine and it's onboard computer.

You and I are essentially the same...Just slightly different programming, resulting in slightly different biased data sequences, that's all.

What is a unit of time?

If you cannot breathe underwater then you cannot breathe under water...But that was neither the issue nor the point....And professional underwater swimmers generally tend to wear breathing apparatus anyway...And the focus has somewhat shifted from the psychological trauma of wearing a mask to the problems that underwater swimmers face.

I was merely suggesting that what isn't currently the social norm will eventually become the accepted social norm....A bit like the new ignorance that has become the new norm associated with the evolution of mobile devices.

Well O.K...Simply as a hypothetical fantasy situation....Because the past is billions of years if not infinite...What one would do would be relevant to the moment and environment one found oneself in....As a "sudden transportation" is not suggestive of a great deal of choice in the matter.