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Most scientific or pseudo scientific or non-scientific compilations and presentations of thought data, draw upon previous compilations and presentations of thought data. It is simply the nature of the evolution of knowledge.

So you cannot dismiss or accept information just because it might or might not fit with the desired Christian model.

And it's easy to forget that there was a whole world of unconnected data out there, long before the Christian god concept and creation hypothesis got up and running. Which explains why the Christian model has never been globally accepted as the basis of creation.

In short, the Christian bible is a whole load of repackaged and redesigned information with a few new ideas thrown in as well. Some of which will be pertinent to current levels of understanding and a lot of which is undoubtedly archaic mythology.

And of course, how the scholars of the time were labelled or labelled themselves or were manipulated was relative to social circumstance and social pressure.

In other words, thank you very much we will accept your ideas and take them and refer to them as Christian.

What we refer to today as plagiarism.

I haven't a clue.

Your reasoning is tending to get more and more obscure.

Well.

That last reply was a whole lot of angst driven non-argument if ever I saw it.

And I was told...Never volunteer for anything.

To what are you referring?

Still happening, not quite as bad, but still as annoying.

Had to do two re-writes and am now giving up for today.

Back tomorrow hopefully.

Regards.

The RatMan likes to block but the RatMan cannot ignore.

It's all a part of the fun.

Don't take this debating thing too seriously is my advice.

Who's fighting?

I'm just whiling away a moment or two engaging in entertaining transatlantic discussion.

That's if I can interrupt your cosy little back scratching threesome.

What would a religious debate be without both the theist and the atheist....There's not so much fun in mutual self gratification....You would soon get bored.

And amidst all your pious aggression and stress you forgot the K in "nobheads".....Knobhead!...LOL...Only messing around....Regards.

If a company fails due to a lack of worker motivation then your out of a job. Your putting yourself out of a job. The basis of the company is largely irrelevant.

So answer me this:

What do you regard as being the motivation to be successful within a job.

Conditioned rhetoric is as conditioned rhetoric does.

Conditioned rhetoric cannot prove the existence of a god.

All that your conditioned rhetoric does is confirm your own particular internal data set....Mr Ethan refers to this as shabby.

I would say that sinking to the level of "shabby" in a discussion, is shabby.

As things stand the truism is a truism.

And your contrived statements are just that.

Interpretation is as interpretation does.

And the transfer of data is as the transfer of data does.

Nice try Mr Ethan but it's all been done before.

And words cannot prove the existence of gods.

Nonetheless, gods maybe...Though the gods hypothesis never starts at the beginning.

Whoops.....Gods....away we go then.

What's concrete about the same old eulogising then?

You're just preaching.

Reinforcing your own assumptions.

And if a guy called Jesus did exist and he wasn't Joe's son then I would suggest that he could have been the son of a  Northern European trader.

This would explain why Jesus is always portrayed as a sixties hippy type.

And Mary said unto Joseph.

God came unto me and impregnated me with his child.

And Joseph replied, d'oh.

No..... You say that it is a complete cop out.

I could say exactly the same of your argument.

I could say that your obvious concerns manifest as denial.... Denials of the effect and of the cause and of the potential outcomes.

I maintain that The Earth has one climate of variations.....And experts (love them or hate them) tell us that the overall climate is altering significantly as a result of human activity.

Nonetheless....Que sera sera according to Doris.

If you fail, your out of a job anyway.

Though as I initially stated the job isn't the primary motivation.

Money is the primary motivation. 

Process data....Perception stimulates a reaction and will promote a response, which may be regarded as either positive or negative.

A decision....Within a brain, it is decided that a god exists or not.

Though, rhetorical glorification cannot alter the basis of the function....No amount of fanciful words can make a god concept externally real.

So the god concept is real enough inside your head.

But can you be honest and admit that you have no way of converting this internal notion into an external reality?

Yep.

But apparently they new all about time travel and teleportation. LOL.

Nonetheless you're correct..... Time travel and teleportation have been the themes of fiction for centuries.

And you're also correct....There's a huge difference between available data and unfounded guesswork.

And I expect that every other religion could make exactly the same claims.

Just more pie in the sky attempts at proving the existence of gods.

I have converted from teabags to loose leaf tea.

Ergo tea leaves are religion and the bags are the work of the devil.

Camellia sinensis is a minor beverage-god and should be worsipped regularly.

Eternity is easy.

Though thinking is the human condition. 

Therefore eternity will be questioned.

Always something is just as perplexing as something from nothing.

And "Kalam" is simply blah de blah de blah god.

The Chinese Government is about as right wing as it gets, as is how it imposes rule and law.

All the other regimes that you listed are fairly moderate. Though the U.S. does have a more right wing tendency towards foreign policy.

Left wing is pretty much an unworkable ideology.

The more the left moves to the left the more right it always becomes....China for example.

Work or get fired.

Work or fail.

As I always say, the Bible is a valid quasi hypothetical mythology compiled by men, utilising data that was available at the time.... Separate the realism from the mythology and one will no doubt come across an element of reason.

Civilisations that predated Christianity will no doubt have provided much of the data that went into the biblical hypothesis.

Development through science is ongoing and didn't start and stop 2000years ago.... I don't remember the stable being lit by electricity nor Joe and Mary arriving at the maternity unit in their 4x4. 

Race is a word with multiple definitions.

I'm not going to list them all. so just check your dictionary.

Suffice it to say so though, your assertion is not accurate.

The Earth does not have an ideal climate.

The Earth has a climate relative to natural environmental activity, which includes human activity and all it's consequences.

The Earth will continue to wend it's thoughtless way around the Sun for as long as it will do, irrespective of what may or may not live upon it's surface.

Though perhaps there is a God watching who will adjust the temperature settings if things get a little too hot for us.

Though I doubt that very much.

Nonetheless the Fauxlaw  argument that because Australia swelters whilst Siberia freezes somehow negates human concerns of climate change, overlooks the simple fact (that I poetically emphasised previously).....The Earth has one climate of variations.

So the permafrost thaws whilst the outback burns....So what? 

Too many people worrying about too many irrelevances and I don't suppose that the coronavirus is going to alleviate the problem much

Just keep stockpiling the toilet paper.

Because they are comparable.

In so much as, although they have discernible differences,  they nonetheless have obvious similarities.

Cats and Dogs etc.

What's up Doc.

"because the Roman empire created WW2

seriously, God created the world but not the coronavirus, this was a chanh of happening."....WTF.

A literary and grammatical abomination.

One climate of variations.

And a variety of thoughts

Such tenuous fluff exhibits

Nope. 

Cannot post to any other Forum this morning.

Typical.

And the above.

All except the above.

All other attempts to post this morning have failed.

Failure to post to Forum, and compositon is lost.

This is the second attempt at posting this.

So are you Irish or of Irish descent?

The old glitch is back and worse than ever.

Look it up then and see to how much of a lesser or greater extent you think that might fit in with the basic principles of Taoism.

Isn't everyone a Taoist to a certain degree.

It's more a case of recognising it rather than converting to it.

And I think that it's still possible to debate online as a Taoist.

Or maybe the Madman is giving up all their worldly goods and emigrating to China.

Just like Alaska is Canadian etc etc.

How can you eradicate Christianity, without also eradicating Catholicism, Judaism and Islamism etc.

They all originate from and maintain the same basic foundation.

Artistic expressions really.

Nonetheless;

"Some".

No..... Religion in general..... I'm not picky.

As I always say, all hypotheses are valid as such.

But religions have a habit of extracting large sums of money from their dutiful followers.

Someone somewhere get's fat at the expense of the gullible.

And maintaining all that religious infrastructure doesn't come cheap.

If a god does exist, then it surely doesn't require a multi-billion dollar industry here on Earth to back it up.

Believe in God my son, and fuck the church roof. (Though maybe church roof's in the U.S. aren't such an ongoing problem as here in the U.K.)

Spam

The geological record is what it is and pre-human climate events are not relevant to either today or tomorrow, in the context of human society and how humanity will have to adapt to cope with climate change and also how society may or may not have to change in the future.

As far as we humans are concerned the bottom line is us and our survival as a species. Whether or not the Earth's climate fluctuated in the past or will do so in the future is of no other significance.

7.6 billion people with a devil may care attitude to their environment is absolutely fine as far an old nihilist like me is concerned. I would be long gone before the shit really hit the fan.

Oils are naturally occurring organic substances and therefore renewable.

Nonetheless,the greater need is the reduction of carbon emissions.

The evolution of renewable technology is what it is, so it's no good expecting overnight solutions. For now we have to accept that green systems will inevitably have to include some less green components.

The earth is bombarded with free energy from the Sun on a daily basis so perhaps our greater efforts should be aimed therein.

So where currently are new reserves of crude oil being lay down.

Oddly, for such a wordsmith, you appear to also have a basic misunderstanding of the word belief.

"Came down" is simply a well used phrase... Check your bible.

You have a basic misunderstanding of atheism.

The atheist cannot deny something that cannot be denied.

The atheist simply does not believe.

And if gods are not physical then they are an assumption.

And the truism remains just as ever.

Be honest...No amount of your clever words will ever prove the existence of a god.

The honest atheist is certain that they cannot disprove the existence of gods and therefore has nothing to prove.

So the truism remains so.

I just love your logic!

I'm certain that you're a really nice guy and I do not wish to offend at all.

But there is rarely much logic or logical progression to your argument.

#43 for example, really is just a string of immaturely put together and incohesive soundbites.

Nonetheless:

I don't think that the U.S. will "go tyrannical" and I think that the current U.S. head of state is no more or less worrisome than any of his recent predecessors. The left will always tend to oppose the right and the right will always tend to oppose the left and if you consider yourself to be either left or right then you will no doubt have a tendency to be biased. In the unlikely event of illegal immigrants obtaining assault rifles, then there would be a short term period of chaos, after which deportations would more than likely increase. 

Let's be honest and logical for a moment.....There is a huge difference between illegal economic migrants and heavily armed terrorist insurgents.

I see you've started spamming again.

Topic is worker owned companies.

And there is far more than just "the company" that will affect and incentivise worker performance.

Workplace structure, especially where security is relatively assured and responsibility is always ceded to hierarchy, can just as easily lead to institutionalisation and a lack of motivation.

I was merely suggesting that where there is an obvious and necessary link between performance and all areas of personal success, then motivation will always be paramount to the worker, irrespective of company structure.