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Exactly.

And I think also exactly the point that secularmerlin and myself  were attempting to put across.

Morality is personal, therefore abstract, therefore subjective, therefore not concrete, so collective morality is only a collection thereof.

Yep....That's goobie speak all right!

Makind?

Space and Dimension is Cube and time is....How is this simple and logical statement not relative to what we actually know.....Analyse carefully and see if you can give me a simple and reasonable answer to this simple and reasonable question.

If you cannot, then from here on in I will regard you as a spammer.

Hey......If it makes you feel that good.

I'm certainly an advocate of P.M.A.

Your mantra is Jesus and mine is health, fitness and contentment.

Same meat different gravy as they say.

And we're both very fortunate that we are citizens of reasonably free and fair societies.

Honesty and integrity.....LOL.

Though it has to be said that the voting system in the U.K. is a tad less convoluted.

Having said that though we do have a constitutional Monarch rather than a President....No voting required/allowed.

QE2 or President which is best do you think?

Obviously Mr Ethan thinks that their opinion is the right opinion, based upon their conditioned sensibilities.

Which in fairness is how we all tend to function, despite our self perceived magnanimity and/or righteousness.

Though some people are clearly more open minded than others.

Rights, ethics, morality etc, are by definition conceptually driven and therefore abstract. They only become concrete, when either forcibly applied by one group or individual upon another group or individual, or when generally accepted and applied by the group.

And of course how we apply right and morality is never steadfast. We are always subject to the vagaries of our own and the groups ability to be selective and biased.

As ever. 2020 will once gain be about money, and the inherent corruptibility of the system.

Which is what politics, especially U.S. politics and all it's many facets is all about.

I would suggest that actual impeachability is only relative to the ability of the system to impeach at a given time, irrespective of factuality.

As such the real "farce" is the inherent corruptibility of the system, and it has to be said, that this is probably applicable to any democratic system.

Isn't that sort of how democracy works?

Of course, in this instance the central characters unavoidably lend themselves to farcical interpretation.

For us ordinary working folk that live in a relatively free and fair society, politics and government and how they are portrayed in the media, tend to be regarded more as entertainment anyway, rather than something that constantly needs to be taken seriously. After all, our only really serious input into our respective nations politics is where we choose to stick a cross every four or five years or so.

Conditioning and instinct are two wholly different things.

Instinct is inherent, whereas conditioning is acquired.

The brain and therefore the mass will function independently/instinctively without conscious input, basically that is life.

Conditioning is relative to evolved higher levels of consciousness. The brain takes on board new data as the mass develops.

In short, early years conditioning is what makes the difference between you and I and explains the fundamental differences in the way we think and the way we tend to formulate and output data sequences in a similar but slightly different way.

God probably is or God probably isn't, for example.

Independent thinking is the nature of wise man/woman and the evolution thereof.  The ability to advance is relative to the intellectual capability of the individual and the ability of the group to cooperate.

Nonetheless, acquiescing to conditioning remains unavoidable, to even the most intellectually gifted individuals.

He something of a cherry picker though.

Give him ten points to consider and he will probably only respond to the one or two that he can twist in his favour.

Nonetheless, it's entertaining debating with Mr Ethan.

Hey, you're a popular guy then.

Truth also....We are all conditioned, it's unavoidable.....Basic operating data if you like....difficult to erase.

We can also think independently...acquire new data...assimilate...create, store and output new data sequences.

But the basics tend to persist.

When I referred to a comfortable existence, I wasn't referring to comfortable climatic conditions.

I was referring to the "crisis" as being the possible disruption of what we have come to accept as the social norm, relative to any particular region or environment humans choose to call home.

So what crisis?  Well I think that we agree, that in terms of species survival, there is no real crisis. Just change that we will adapt to.

I respond to posts that I find interesting.

So I must find your posts interesting.

And the previous post that I responded to, was something of a faux pas. Though I don't suppose for one minute that you would admit to it.

Have I ever been a theist?....Well, theism is a very broad term, but if you're asking have I ever had a firm belief in the existence of a supreme power, then the answer would definitely be no. Nonetheless I do accept that the existence of a supreme power is a valid hypothesis.

As for Abrahamic religions and other popular faiths......I have always regarded these as mythological pseudo-hypotheses..... It was how I was conditioned to think

We agree then. 

Are you sure that your facts are correct?

An interesting reference there, to the connection between Theism, obsession and compulsion. "Theism and other mental issues".

LOL.

No.

Healthcare as in State provision of invasive and no invasive therapies, is only a possibility, relative to either State or personal affordability. 

As with most things in modern human lives, accessibility is usually dictated by affordability. 

As access to an unlimited money supply has only ever been considered a possibility and never been considered "a right", then it's unreasonable to expect that access to healthcare should be regarded as an inevitable right.

Species survival is not necessarily the issue.

The issue is, the continuation of the comfortable existence that we have come to expect.

Darwin proposed a theory relative to organic development, more specifically concerning higher species development. That's a very small chunk of time, that doesn't take into consideration past or present inorganic development. More specifically, Darwin is not concerned with the concurrent inorganic technological development/evolution associated with Wise Man. It is therein that concerns lie.

So things might change, and we will no doubt adapt as a species whilst the Planet is as the Planet will do, until such times as it is engulfed by the Sun. By which time the purpose and conclusion (if there is one) of The Earth's evolutionary processes will hopefully have been achieved.

And Wise Men/Women/Gender fluid, may or may not have escaped their Earthly prison, though it probably won't matter if they haven't.

Yep, sure.

But.

Media fuelled hype certainly, but government inspired.

Isolation, communities and countries in lockdown, white suited and bemasked people in all the media images.

So, just being a conspiracy theorist for a change and putting the question out there.

Global destabilisation perhaps.

High profile fake news diverting attention from the real issue.

What might we be missing?

Asia

SARS virus

Coronavirus

Italy

Face Masks

White Suits

Disinfectant Spraying

Media Hype

Destabilisation

Mass Migration

Conspiracy.

I'm usually disparaging about conspiracy theories. But there just seems to be something odd about all the attention being given to yet another seasonal respiratory virus, that typically most people will recover from quickly and some older and more vulnerable people may die as a result of.

What's different this time around?

Probably goes without saying.

Probably more than one.

1 & 2.  

Interesting. 

Will have to research before I can comment further.

LOL

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I just love your logic.

French Lesbian Whores!.....(Just joking)

Are there similar characters in the Arabic version I wonder.?

And so you don't live in Antarctica....Can one also, rightly assume that you are not 90 years of age.

Just trying to get an angle on your outdated values.

The whole coronavirus issue is a tad bizarre any way.

Why this level of concern over this particular virus.

Do some people know something that most people are not being told.

Did this emanate from a Chinese laboratory. Perhaps the cleaner fancied lab rat for supper.

Or is it all designed to destabilise and distract us from other things.

Definitely one for the conspiracy theorists this.

Though I'm not sure if there is any statistical evidence to support the notion that theists are more likely to panic buy than  people of other conceptual persuasions.

Maybe this would be an opportune moment to get into the bidet business. 

Well.

Capitalist Plutocracy in itself is a sort of  hand in glove statement.

And inherent social hierarchy will inevitable bring about the collapse of attempts at true socialism.

So capitalism and/or plutocracy and/or totalitarianism would therefore be the most likely outcomes of said social collapse.

A lot would depend upon how broadly one defines wealth and consequently how one compares capitalism with plutocracy with totalitarianism.

"Bigots etc". This reference is a tad ambiguous and also a tad contradictory.....Perhaps could do with a bit of clarification...Perhaps it was late.

"He's just a man"....My ethos entirely....And I know that you fully understand the purpose of the demi god counter punch. Just as I understand the purpose of your ongoing anti-semite references.....Good game!.

"We who". Observers.

And Trump was a marching Zionist....wholly applicable to that particular thread.

"Zionist control America"....Interesting that you should raise the issue. All that I will say, is that U.S foreign policy speaks for itself.

Ok. 

So you are saying that abortion is a good precautionary measure.

I didn't have you down as a pro-abortionist.

Well.....Trends evolve.

And I would argue that evolution is it's own logical explanation.

We appear to have accepted the evolution of I.T. and mobile devices readily enough, with little moral and ethical consideration.

As I stated previously sexual methodology has always been variable and never really held back by taboo or assumed ethics and morality.

Anything other than consensual sex is rape regardless of methodology. So the rape argument seems somewhat misplaced.

Sex is as sex does and sex is a base function and base requirement, not to be confused with all the socio-conceptual moral and ethical window dressing we apply to procreation.

So if the needs of base function and requirement can be met robotically, then realistically there should be no moral or ethical dilemma.

"Precautionary measure".....Are we referring to a person, or to the Coronavirus?

And as I have never asked for anyone to be banned and never would do.....How am I being hypocritical?

I'm far to thick skinned to get all upset over something as trivial as a few derogatory words on a debating website.

It's an evolutionary trend and therefore a symptom of a changing society.

Nonetheless, ever since humans started to place sexual taboos in the way of sexual reality then methodology started to adapt also.

It's very short sighted to assume that what one might consider to be normal and therefore righteous, has always been so and always will be so in the future. In other words there has and always will be a trend

How long before implants allow people to achieve effortless sexual fulfilment?

Or perhaps better still, how about an implant that stops people worrying about the whole messy business of sex altogether.

What a shame.

A blow for freedom.

And the rise of Religious Conservatism and Assumed affectation.

How long before your banning all atheists. Big Bro.

Theists require Atheists, otherwise it ceases to be Debateart.com and becomes ChristianSelfGratification.com.

Quasimi maybe a fashion designer or perhaps a rally driver.

So perhaps you trying to refer to Qasem Soleimani?

Does this totally unresearched gaffe, simply indicate how uniformed and reliant on propaganda you are?

One nations terrorist is another nations hero and the other one is always the unrighteous one.

Such are things I suppose.

Existence implies quality and quantity, whereas Time does not.

Time is and is always possible....As is Space....Two dimensionality isn't and always implies Three.

Things are dynamic and never static only if there are things that can be dynamic and never static....Matter, therefore Event and Duration.

Without matter there is no event and no duration...Time and Space wait.

And do we accept that events can occur and did occur and do occur without observation or knowledge?

That's a very broad and therefore inaccurate comparison....Fake News as your Orange Demi-God would say. 

Though the sort of typically broad and inaccurate comparison that we have come to expect.

And Jews are not necessarily Zionists and vice versa...Another typically inaccurate assumption....Just like assuming that all Semites are Jews.

Unfortunately, if you assume a position at the top of the tree. Then that is where ultimately the responsibility should end up too. 

Though I'm certainly not saying that lick arse administrations such as here in the U.K. shouldn't also shoulder a certain amount of the responsibility too.

I think that it's fair to say that Turkey has always been caught between a rock and a hard place, both strategically and culturally and I think that it is also fair to say that up until now Turkey has done it's utmost to contain and alleviate the ongoing Syrian refugee crisis.

The regime that held Syria together as a Nation was comparatively hard line and imperfect in the eyes of the West, but the West's misunderstanding, dissociated intolerance and therefore inaccurate understanding of cultural comparisons was always inevitably going to result in chaos once that the Assad regime was weakened. Lessons from the Iraq debacle we never learned or perhaps more likely were ignored. Why?

And so the chaos moves on and now Greece is caught between the rock and a hard place, exacerbated by regional history and ongoing tensions with it's neighbour and rival.

Western cultural bias tends to be as ever and that bias, will as ever creep westward as the problem also does so. 

And the U.S in it's position of relative isolation, as ever will sit and point the finger and blame every one else and comfortably say Not In My Back Yard thank you.

And Russia also knows which side it's bread is buttered, thank you.

Your thematics are excellent and a refreshing change.

Utopia is imagination.

So perhaps that is where to find it.

Resistance is futile!....Only joking....We have acquired strategies.....Though resistance is sometimes a struggle.

Social inequality is greed and poverty. Social inequality is also contentment and anxiety, good health and poor health etc.

Genetic uniformity breeds weakness and people may or not be happy with themselves. Happiness is temporary whereas contentment is permanent under relatively normal conditions…..Whatever relatively normal might be.

Separation is and likemindedness may or may not lead to cooperation.... Temporariness is relative to durability.....and evolution is.... and evolution is more than flesh and blood.

Too late the talking has begun and aggression is internal, whereas inequality may or may not be internal.

The universe is only speculation and life is either life or not.

Find separation, though one may not find contentment.

And spying begets knowledge and knowledge is key.

Nope.

No Palestinian friends....A few Jewish ones though.

Nonetheless....Basically one and the same.....Aren't we all?

Greed is the origin of poverty.

And feminism evolved and men couldn't do anything about it.

And cancer is cancer....axiom of truth.

"Monogamy increases happiness"?

Happiness is a temporary state of mind....Contentment is the permanent solution....And contentment doesn't require wealth or monogamy

Whereas greed festers discontent.

There's clearly some naive people on this site.

Science fiction is and so is reality....Perhaps.

Are you certain of reality?

All that you have is internal perceptions of external stimuli.

Theories are no problem for me.

But can you explain the existence of the singularity?

If you want to debate, then don't avoid the debate.

If you considered Turkey and it's borders and the on the ground reality of the Syrian refugee crisis, you would realise how  the consequences of U.S. led meddling in Syria  was bound to have a huge impact on Turkish security and resources.

Once again The U.S. creates the problem and then expects everyone else to pick up the pieces.

What about the Iranian itch?

The U.S. has been scratching it's arse over that one for quite a while.

It seemed too demanding and critical to me.....Certainly wouldn't appeal to my emotions.

The Atlantic Ocean won't wash away the U.S's sins.

 Zionism is a Zionism and not necessarily a Jewish preoccupation. And Semitic is Semitic and not necessarily a Jewish language.

Anti-Semitic as you define it is a good sound bite, but is only reflective of a general malaise between persons of differing origins and appearances, and in this respect the U.S.A is no better than any other Nation.

And I will survive your inaccurate assumptions of me.

And Jesus......So say you.....And that's your prerogative.

But you will never convince me that you were not conditioned to be selectively moral.

Argument:

Primary drive is relatively constant though aberrations may occur....Developmental physiological sexual dysmorphia....Rare.

Sex like most of modern human existence has developed beyond primary drive focus.....If you own a mobile device for instance then it would be a tad hypocritical to criticise sex for pleasure.....Secondary drive.

I'm sure that men who play with men and women who play with women think....Nice!

Hormones determine a lot of things including primary sex drive...Primary sex drive urges can be readily satiated using developed secondary drive techniques.

Gay....Lesbian....Trans....Eroticism....Secondary drive possibilities.

Life goes on for the time being.

Last statement:

Who knows what your kids get up to when they get the itch and when they know you're not looking. They will formulate their own ideas with just as much input form social media as they might get from you.....Brazilian She-Male ….OOOOOOOH!